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Ok, we need to now focus on our game plan here with the meds.
I also think it is important in trying to feel out for mafia as much as we can, cause it might be possible that some of the vets here are Mafia.
Organizing right now would be more key since CK can't act until the second night and we only got first day clues. We should do best with what we have right now. Also the only thing we can really do now is possibly those two things if I am correct.
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On April 24 2009 01:15 3clipse wrote:I kind of doubt Showtime is mafia. Even if he were the godfather, I don't think he'd want to attract so much attention to himself. That said, when you have limited rolechecks and the possibility of faking a role as GF, we have to be careful about how much information we concentrate on any one person. We risk completely exposing our blue list and strategies if that one person is a mole. Info SHOULD be dished out on a need to know basis and we need to fragment power/knowledge so that if one of our heads is knocked off or a traitor we can still function. Also, I think getting stuck on 2 or 3 suspects on day one clues is counterproductive. As cutthroat as it sounds, we should basically be doing a scattershot of accusations. Suspect me, suspect Qatol, suspect everyone. This way we can isolate the behaviors of those who react differently from the rest and have a chance at catching some of the dumber mafia before clues can really help. Edit: Show nested quote +On April 24 2009 01:07 Tricode wrote: I also think it is important in trying to feel out for mafia as much as we can, cause it might be possible that some of the vets here are Mafia.
This.
????? What do you mean when you just say 'This'?
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On April 24 2009 01:29 dreamflower wrote: I think he's saying he agrees with you.
Oh thank you =D
and if that is so, thanks 3clipse
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K, i just remembered i have an exam online that finishes tonight and I got my spanish exam in about 4 hours! I am gone for the rest of the day. Oh crap i screwed up bad by forgetting this exam ><
If i have time i'll try to see if i can stay a bit active but other wise >< sorry
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On April 24 2009 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: bumpity bump
Hush you, or I'll kill you.
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I just hope our meds aren't inactive, they should try to decide who to protect from Qatol's list especially if they don't think they will be on for a bit, we don't want morning to come and finding out a med didn't do their job cause they waited to the last minute.
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On April 24 2009 13:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2009 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 24 2009 13:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: So only 36/57 people even voted... we need something to get people going mod kill threats or something i dunno. Do remember this week is finals pyrr, Until monday im assuming activity will be lower, that being said, threats after that are valid. yeah I know, although my finals week is in two weeks. i assume some people will have finals next week. that's why I said "mod kill threats" instead of "mod kills" lol. I dunno we're both bored I wanted something to talk about you know... I'm just worried how easy it is for mafia to hide. We got so many people last time through their conspicuous inactivity and town was much more active so active people were safer. At this point if I and a few more active people die tonight the post rate will probably go to less than half what it is now and no one will be able to be active without getting mowed down because we don't have the strength in numbers that we need. Right now mafia can be silent without drawing any attention because 21 people are super inactive and there's no way there are even 11 mafia.
There is a slight chance I might be wrong, but last game only 3 people were actually active for the mafia. The others didn't keep in touch with us and when all those 3 were lynched, that's when the game kinda ended.
Two were kinda there with those three but those two kinda kept disappearing. Even though inactivity might help mafia, i just don't know by how much at this point since it is still the first night. Maybe in the future when we have more clues and we are inactive, then that will more likely hurt us.
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On April 25 2009 16:59 Malongo wrote:from day 1 + Show Spoiler + Across town, Scaramanga handed some parcels to a courier, and closing his door, walked to his living room, and began throwing stacks of paper into his fireplace, burning as much as he could. Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast.
from day 2 + Show Spoiler + Across town, Nemy and Bockit were sitting at a bar for drinks. Nemy was gazing down at a brown envelope before looking up and ordering another round for him and bockit. When the drinks arrived, the two smiled then cheered and tossed their drinks back. Bockit got up and walked over to a jute box and slid a quarter in, and an upbeat song started to play before he switched it to something else. Before he could turn around bockit head was slammed into the jute box over and over till he died. Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs, he lay on the ground watching his friend die as the world slowly went black, all he could hear was footsteps walk past him, stop and snicker before continuing on, then he was dead.
from Tricodes profile: Working to be in the entertainment business someday, but not an actor. I think its by far the best call given the amount of info we have and the way BC writes his clues. Im voting to lynch Tricode unless someone comes with something more convincing.
You are my best friend Malongo =D.
As far as day 1 goes. he saw something uncomprehensible on tv. I don't know what I have that is uncomprehendsible dealing with me and what is scene on television, to add i don't want to be on the television (Thus not being an actor). The real key thing is something uncomprehensable was shown on tv. I don't know how that relates to me wanting to be in the entertainment buisness.
As far as the jute box, there are other people who have things about music, or media related info in their profiles. Like words such as musical, and musical artists names.
Is CK considered red by the way? Cause bockit to me could only be miller if not CK since mafia can't kill each other.
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EDIT: I forgot to add, read the whole thing of what i say, don't take just little parts. Like I don't know how that relates to me wanting to be in the entertainment business.
I mean by how something uncomprehnsible being shown on television and me wanting to join the entertainment business. Where does the uncomprehnsible part come into that play in that clue with me?
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Can someone explain to me why they think there are 2 mafia? I don't understand it.
For Bockit, he could be miller or CK. Mafia could of just hit him right?
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On April 26 2009 02:19 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2009 02:11 Tricode wrote: Can someone explain to me why they think there are 2 mafia? I don't understand it.
For Bockit, he could be miller or CK. Mafia could of just hit him right?
There have to be two mafia. Consider: Bockit has to be mafia, he is red, we've already established this. Millers are Black and CK would have "CK" written next ot his name. Therefore, Bockit is mafia. Now, if Bockit is mafia, and nobody else can kill him that is town, then that must mean mafia killed him. But if there is one mafia, they can't hit each other. Therefore, there must be at least two mafia organizations, of whom Bockit was a member of one. Their KP is likely fairly low-i'd assume 2-4 per mafia-but they are at odds with each other.
Ah thank you. I thought miller and Ck would just be red also.
Does that mean the two mafias will be trying to find each other now to try to team up?
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So does that mean those who are hit shouldn't call out either?
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Actually, yeah you did find mafia from clues (or they helped alot), scooter being one (for the biker clue). I think there were a couple more that linked up with mafia members.
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Look, we need to be a bit more active now then ever. (my life is on the line ;p)
The clue analysis given for me is not that great, but even if I think so, it probably doesn't matter.
Right now I think a finger is being pointed at me to early with an insufficient analysis. Also since there are other people who have things media related in their profile, I am curious why you pick me? Is it just because me 'wanting to be in the entertainment industry' (but not an actor) so broad that it is just easier for you to just pick me?
We should focus more on finding some more solid evidence (even if it is against me). We need to stay active and try to get people talking, the more someone talks, the probable more chance they might screw up and give us a clue about them being mafia.
Also let's look at the clues more deeply. We need to get a better feel for mafia.
I noticed something, though i don't know them very well and what their behaviors are normally like, but Qatol's med list.
None of those vets seem to be to active right now. Also I know it is exam season, but i forget if they said when and how long their exams are. We should be careful cause some mafia members might actually try to hide behind Exam Time.
So we should kinda try to know how active they are and try to remember when they said their exams should end.
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Hey, i know people who get hit are suppose to call out still, but other then making sure mafia doesn't know if the person they hit is vet or not. But what do we do if mafia tries to call out and claim they were hit?
That doesn't mean we can still trust those who get hit. Even if it is a fake call, what if a med did protect a mafia member and they call hit.
Is there anything we could do about that? Either case, if someone calls hit we definitely can't fully trust them, keep on your guard still even if they call hit in the future. It is hard to tell if they are lying or not cause we can't have our blues teaming up with them, just in case they are mafia (because there are two groups of them from we can figure out)
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On April 26 2009 10:04 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2009 09:56 Qatol wrote:Bockit: + Show Spoiler + -------------------------------------------Bockit Haha yeah, day 1 clues are the worst things haha. I still laugh at the pika chu thing from last game.
And I agree, I'm definitely lower profile than those players.
I've got to go to my after-graduation drinks thing for my uni class (I still have to wait another year ) So I have to bail, but yeah, we need to keep the town active so we can try to trip up some mafia.
-----------------------------------------Qatol Original Message: Yeah also shortly after I sent that JeeJee started posting. He definitely isn't worth lynching. But he should be watched. Right now, I think coolcrimefighter is our best bet.
Only major thing I think is important right now in the thread is my medic post. (Do you agree with it? I'm afraid of making it much longer because that would just create a target list like last game.)
Can't do anything about inertinept. At least we TRIED to make a decent decision.
-----------------------------------------Bockit Original Message: Suspicious? Yes. Worth lynching him over? In my experience with mafia so far, no. Same as Rage.
I just woke up and am responding to pms before I read the thread, so I don't know if anything has been worked on but the town really needs to stay active. Any plans we develop aren't going to happen until people are able to judge others as blue/green/red so until the day clues we should promote activity in the thread.
Sucks about inertinept btw I wish people would play more intelligently.
-----------------------------------------Qatol Original Message: What do you think about JeeJee? Like Rage he isn't posting in the mafia thread. However, they are both posting in the Dota thread.......
+ Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------------------------Bockit I don't know if I'd call it insight into the situation, it just really comes across as the usual 'newish member' trying to fit in with one of the 'cool' mods that seems to happen all the time here
Hmm, a stronger target? I'm not sure I won't lie I haven't got any huge suspects yet
I could be wrong about quickstriker, my gut says he's not mafia but if you were to pick him I can't imagine anyone complaining (lack of anyone else to pick at this stage really).
Rage is another suspicion of mine. He's been in the staff IRC channel since the thread has come up and I've been aware of it. Normally it's a pretty daunting task to read the first day or so of the thread (I know last game I put this off for half a day, made it worse but w/e) but this thread is only 13~ pages or so, with 5-6 pages of signup stuff that you can pretty much ignore.
But that doesn't mean he's mafia and Rage tends not to post so much iirc from other games, he could be a hiding blue and it would suck to hit a blue.
Looking back that's not really much help for picking a target , I'll keep in touch though with any thoughts.
Thanks for the confidence vote It is reciprocated.
----------------------------------------- Qatol Original Message: Look, I think you are a pretty good player and you seem to have some insight into the situation that I don't have. Quickstriker's defense seems a lot like Tricode's from last game to me.
That being said, I would like to hear who you think is a stronger target for my lynch.
There is confusion about who said what. I have labeled the speaker
You make me feel special knowing I was mentioned in yours and Bockit's pm =D Also the fact you remember how i was last game
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On April 27 2009 04:39 3clipse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 03:03 Monoxide wrote: uhh... I don't see it....Can you give me more examples, and I will tell you why they don't apply.
Certianly. "Bloodyc0bbler was left to die slowly" Carbon monoxide poisoning is a slow death. "Scaramanga handed some parcels to a courier, and closing his door, walked to his living room, and began throwing stacks of paper into his fireplace" This produces carbon monoxide. "Pyrrhuloxia fired, just as his opponent tripped forward just under the bullets path before stumbling into, and stabbing pyrrhuloxia" This death was basically accidental, as carbon monoxide poisoning is in most cases. "Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs" While carbon monoxide poisoning is painless, you can't deny that this is the strongest clue so far that can be traced to a single person. I really doubt you'll be able to change my mind, but I'll give you a chance to defend yourself before voting.
Look, Monoxide might still be a suspect but I won't accept this burning sensation of the lungs. I think Nemy got a bad drink slipped in.
The drink and Monoxide one doesn't make sense to me. Plus Bockit and Nemy didn't feel tired and slowly pass out. It wasn't like they felt dizzy, began stumbling, and/or most importantly feeling tired.
I feel the Versitale clue fits in more for the stumbling and killing pyrr, just cause of her profile saying "even my errors are correct" the error let the person dodge a bullet, survive, and still kill their target. (I'm not saying it's the strongest clue, but i find it more probable then Monoxide clue.)
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On April 27 2009 12:40 JeeJee wrote:anyway i was reading through the entire thread and i found this random bug, here's a screenshot, click to enlarge (a random black rectangle appears -- its position seems to vary in the thread but there's always exactly one of it). is anyone else getting this? i have refreshed the page a few times (i'm using this link) just thought it was something random. it's not an image, i can't select it or anything ... it's just.. there. odd.
I don't understand your point here, can you explain?
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On April 28 2009 00:00 Caller wrote: Why the hell are we double lynching Why the hell are we lynching JeeJee
There are clearly much stronger lynch targets than JeeJee to begin with, and we have little to no evidence that we have surefire mafia targets.
The only thing a double lynch is good for is hitting when we have a stronger lead on mafia. When we have little to no lead on mafia like we do now, then we're kind of in a shithole, aren't we.
Qatol, what the hell are you doing,, accusing JeeJee like that. While I do admit his defense is pretty crappy, your grounds for lynching him and not Monoxide are flawed. If you remember from last game, most of the mafia we hit were based off a multi-clue pointing, because of the chance that one of the clues was the one in question. Granted we have a different mod this game, but I think there is still a good chance here.
Not to mention that you've been playing very uncharacteristically from previous rounds, and the Uff Da ---> clumsiness clue, seems to me that town should be very cautious about blindly following orders here.
Well, if you look at the convo between Bockit and Qatol. Everytime JeeJee is mentioned, Bockit tries to avoid talking about Jeejee will take about Rage instead or just kinda ignore it and point out something else. Bockit also turned up red.
The same could be with Monoxide (If i remember correctly), i don't really agree with the clues against him, they're to ambiguous but once again from another source is claiming that his behavior is odd and some stories don't match up.
So the question is, what should we do? Well we can keep looking at the clues and try to use what ever time we have left to get something more solid, but in the end it looks like the information we have now is not enough.
So what do you recommend we do? Some of us are constantly looking at the clues and matching them up with people, but either the reasons they give are really ambiguous or they come up with nothing for now and have to wait for next set of clues.
Either Case I think we still have some time to change our votes, but we need more evidence and persuasion in understanding why one person would be more probable to lynch then the other.
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On April 28 2009 01:22 mikeymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2009 14:01 Monoxide wrote:On April 27 2009 13:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On April 26 2009 13:05 Qatol wrote: As for suspects: again, we have very little to go on. People I would encourage taking a look at: Monoxide - he has said he has exams. Shouldn't they be over by now? He has also been linked to decently strong clues in each of the first 2 posts. Versatile - She hasn't posted AT ALL. Since she is Ace's friend, I would assume that she is about his age and is done with school? Not sure on that. Regardless, being this quiet is totally out of character for her. 3 lions - he voted in the day 2 lynch thread but has still made 0 posts in the mafia thread. Obviously he is reading the thread at least a little because he is voting for a decently common suspect. FakeSteve[TPR] - He was posting decently actively until he lost the election. He has gone completely quiet since then.
My personal pick right now? Versatile. In both games she has played, she has not been red (veteran in AMW, miller hit by mafia last game). Her style has completely changed for this game. i've been working, catching up now just to clarify, my exams still are not over. These upcoming ones just arn't as difficult. Shit, so so so so so sorry dude. You've just been complaining about that ONE lol
So what does that mean? That means he still has his finals going and what you said a bit back was wrong?
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