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On December 08 2008 16:04 MrBabyHands wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:01 Caller wrote:yah, ur like the mule from the Foundation series. Nobody could predict your existence, and you fucked everything up  lol. well i thought things were going quite well on our end.  until our list leak 
Yeah, Folca fucked you guys over.
I was hoping that all of this wouldn't go down until after the lynching tonight. I was planning on switching my votes over to Caller/Plexa as needed at the last minute as a sort of sating goodbye to this round.
O well. :p
All in all, I have just a few points to speak on:
1. Don't use IRC, or if you do, make sure someone is clearly knowledgeable and on top of it at all times. I was communicating to my family via mass PM after Day 1, but I set up the IRC channel in the first place; if I ever play mafia again and am mafia myself (I hope not), I won't repeat that mistake. T_T
2. I don't really hold any malice towards anybody but Folca for what happened in this game; bored or not, you pretty much ruined the game for all involved, which is a pretty assish thing to do considering the time people on all sides put into it.
Speakly about the whole infiltration thing, reiterating what many have said before me, this game is much more fun when it is based upon behavior/clue analysis rather than finding out how to get the entire list of your enemies for free. But, it happened and could have been prevented by those who were infiltrated. So, to throw back to my first point, future things to avoid.
Anyway, GG to all those who were actually involved. It sucks the way it ultimately turned out, but whatever. It was fun in the beginning. :p
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On December 08 2008 16:19 Incognito wrote:
Ver, when did you suspect me as mafia?
I'll both agree/disagree with Caller vs. Fishball. Caller isn't as stupid as Fishball is claiming, but he does have a decent amount of flaws in his arguments, and he was NOT discrete at all with his information (like it mattered at the end). Also Caller's activity looked really suspicious from the beginning, and he frequently came across with angry posts, which didn't help his image either. So while I'm not saying that Caller is stupid, I think he needs to think out how his image is seen and also how he handles information. Accusing people without proof (except for the list that you didn't tell anyone about) isn't a very good move. Anger is also not good for a mayor/acting mayor.
Agree with Camlito, the game could have been good if not for the leaks. I don't know what d_so was ranting about.
accusing people without proof is a great way to analyze their trigger angry outbursts that could reveal information about one's alignment. Although, the Vivi/Mandalor was a combination of Plexzombie/motivating people to vote. I actually intended to votecheck Mandalor but not enough suspects voted for him.
and i wanted to make suspicious posts. were it not for that massive leak (lol) i wanted mafias to be confused as to my affiliation and focus as much attention as they could on trying to get me killed. I was willing at several points to martyr myself in order to get a very valuable votecheck. Angry posts, again, are a good way to get angry posts as well. Most of the time I was just trolling in the thread. Usually you get good stuff from trolling ^_^
And half the stuff I was "angry" about I was lying. When I was complaining that we were missing vigilantes, I was lying like a dog-we actually had 4 hahaha.
Damn leaks. And i unno what d_so was on about either.
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On December 08 2008 16:21 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:04 MrBabyHands wrote:On December 08 2008 16:01 Caller wrote:yah, ur like the mule from the Foundation series. Nobody could predict your existence, and you fucked everything up lol. well i thought things were going quite well on our end. until our list leak Yeah, Folca fucked you guys over. I was hoping that all of this wouldn't go down until after the lynching tonight. I was planning on switching my votes over to Caller/Plexa as needed at the last minute as a sort of sating goodbye to this round. O well. :p All in all, I have just a few points to speak on: 1. Don't use IRC, or if you do, make sure someone is clearly knowledgeable and on top of it at all times. I was communicating to my family via mass PM after Day 1, but I set up the IRC channel in the first place; if I ever play mafia again and am mafia myself (I hope not), I won't repeat that mistake. T_T 2. I don't really hold any malice towards anybody but Folca for what happened in this game; bored or not, you pretty much ruined the game for all involved, which is a pretty assish thing to do considering the time people on all sides put into it. Speakly about the whole infiltration thing, reiterating what many have said before me, this game is much more fun when it is based upon behavior/clue analysis rather than finding out how to get the entire list of your enemies for free. But, it happened and could have been prevented by those who were infiltrated. So, to throw back to my first point, future things to avoid. Anyway, GG to all those who were actually involved. It sucks the way it ultimately turned out, but whatever. It was fun in the beginning. :p
I knew one of you bastards was mafia.
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On December 08 2008 16:36 SpiralArchitect wrote:
I knew one of you bastards was mafia.
And you got killed for it!
...just not by the mafia.
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On December 08 2008 16:19 Incognito wrote:
Ver, when did you suspect me as mafia?
I'll both agree/disagree with Caller vs. Fishball. Caller isn't as stupid as Fishball is claiming, but he does have a decent amount of flaws in his arguments, and he was NOT discrete at all with his information (like it mattered at the end). Also Caller's activity looked really suspicious from the beginning, and he frequently came across with angry posts, which didn't help his image either. So while I'm not saying that Caller is stupid, I think he needs to think out how his image is seen and also how he handles information. Accusing people without proof (except for the list that you didn't tell anyone about) isn't a very good move. Anger is also not good for a mayor/acting mayor.
Agree with Camlito, the game could have been good if not for the leaks. I don't know what d_so was ranting about.
You came up on the middle probability list (with like 5-10 others) after a few days. Here's the reasoning:
The fact is that out of 10-20 inactives, only one was replaced. Furthermore you, to my knowledge, never sent in a roleclaim, and yet were a clear thinking person who wouldn't do something dumb just to spite us or whatever (i,e SA/heros)pink). I'm pretty sure Ace isn't going to replace a townie with a townie and thus the obvious conclusion is mafia. I wasn't completely certain though because Caller could've been hiding your roleclaim from me (i,e you could've been the last bomber).
My lists move around a lot though; like at one point or another I had everyone on the real yamaguchi family somewhere on the suspect list but I'd forget about decafchicken or something later on. The Lucchese were so much harder though. Camlito was a total uncertainty because like Plexa that's how he plays in any role. Elemenope is obviously a complete inactive and impossible to finger. I had mrbabyhands in the middle/low end at one point because he posted some goofy stuff early and then never said a word after the mayor election but kinda forgot about him too. Meegrean was a bit questionable but a townie could easily be doing that. Otherwise the only people who jumped out and stayed at the top of the list were myheronoob (obvious), Folca (wow that was a horrible post he made + mafia 3 behavior check) and Fishball (previous games check), along with Artanis who was 50/50 on being guilty (between him and midnightgladius of being fake vigi). shadowdrgn only became up for guilt when we first got that list and I ran over everyone's history on it.
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On December 08 2008 16:42 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:36 SpiralArchitect wrote:
I knew one of you bastards was mafia. And you got killed for it! ...just not by the mafia.
You bastard. Did you double lynch me?
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On December 08 2008 16:45 SpiralArchitect wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:42 MTF wrote:On December 08 2008 16:36 SpiralArchitect wrote:
I knew one of you bastards was mafia. And you got killed for it! ...just not by the mafia. You bastard. Did you double lynch me?
midnight gladius killed you but we didnt tell him to do so lol
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On December 08 2008 16:45 SpiralArchitect wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:42 MTF wrote:On December 08 2008 16:36 SpiralArchitect wrote:
I knew one of you bastards was mafia. And you got killed for it! ...just not by the mafia. You bastard. Did you double lynch me?
You got vigied by midnightgladius (rambo I think or bad miscommunication).
BTW I'm curious to know why you acted like a really obvious traitor. You weren't supposed to die because there's no point to killing a traitor (which is what we all thought you were from the start), but you were really zealous against Caller for being a townie haha.
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On December 08 2008 16:43 Ver wrote:
I'm pretty sure Ace isn't going to replace a townie with a townie and thus the obvious conclusion is mafia. I wasn't completely certain though because Caller could've been hiding your roleclaim from me (i,e you could've been the last bomber).
It's funny you should say that. Incognito was actually on our family originally, but got switched out with BuGzlToOnl shortly after the list was distributed to the rest of the members. Ace said he couldn't find him on the list to PM, I think, as the reason for this.
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On December 08 2008 16:54 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:43 Ver wrote:
I'm pretty sure Ace isn't going to replace a townie with a townie and thus the obvious conclusion is mafia. I wasn't completely certain though because Caller could've been hiding your roleclaim from me (i,e you could've been the last bomber). It's funny you should say that. Incognito was actually on our family originally, but got switched out with BuGzlToOnl shortly after the list was distributed to the rest of the members. Ace said he couldn't find him on the list to PM, I think, as the reason for this.
Hahaha oh wow.
Btw MTF why didn't you guys ever try to target the Lucchese?
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Ver, i think it's funny that i had pm'd you that whole elaborate idea about the traitor knowing the 2 mafia families, so he could then let the mafias know who each other were and allow them to work together. you said that the traitor only knew 1 family, so this wouldn't happen and we didn't need to worry.
but then it did, just not through the traitor
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On December 08 2008 16:58 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 16:54 MTF wrote:On December 08 2008 16:43 Ver wrote:
I'm pretty sure Ace isn't going to replace a townie with a townie and thus the obvious conclusion is mafia. I wasn't completely certain though because Caller could've been hiding your roleclaim from me (i,e you could've been the last bomber). It's funny you should say that. Incognito was actually on our family originally, but got switched out with BuGzlToOnl shortly after the list was distributed to the rest of the members. Ace said he couldn't find him on the list to PM, I think, as the reason for this. Hahaha oh wow. Btw MTF why didn't you guys ever try to target the Lucchese?
Mostly because I didn't know who any of them really were, as like you had, I was having some trouble identifying them. I was pretty sure MyHeroNoob was Link and ShadowDrgn was Ryu, and after Caller prompted me to look into him, I thought Camlito was possibly Rex. But I had nothing conclusive on anybody.
To top it all off, we really thought that the people who died on our side just died for talking too much, and so were not trying particularly hard to even out the score. We wanted the town to be weak before we started really hunting down the other family.
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One word summarizes this game from the town perspective: "GRRRRRRRJHHHHHHHHHHHHSHSHSHHTPPPMSDN"
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Ver, not much of an excuse but for when the game started:
Nothing happened, i mean at all seriously, then i went to work, came home, went to bed and got up 8 hours later, so like 17-18 hours later i came back to tl, checked and there were like 20-30 new pages for the mayorial campaigns and the like, roles were out, and so on and so forth. I didn't have a role pm, had to talk to ace to get one as he thought he had already sent me one, and got my role just before i headed to work, saw both plexa and mtf running, coin flipped and voted.
Then, come back, caller and mtf are elected, medic is auto killed, and the huge first night and killing of ace is up. No analysis, we are told to do nothing till caller is confirmed blue. So i do dick all, and out of no where I got called out =\ defended myself, and caller pardon'd me even against my wishes as calling me out in the open was guarenteeing me to death anyway.
Soon as i was killed, i told fishball he was a complete ass for killing me. If not for him however, you would have had 3-4 mafia after first posts as aces clues werent hard to figure out, and fishball and mtf were on my confirmed mafia list after that night post
and shadow and ghostclaw were grouped together as highly suspected, as well as a few others.
Regardless, i would have pit the two mafia sides against eachother by posting a few bits of analysis to lead them to eachother, and have a green post it. That way they are sacrificing themselves by actually doing something, as it was no green wanted to post as they didnt know squat, but then again, every game has an inner circle, i just think more analysis should have been released to get the casual players who just browsed and posted to things worthwhile posting.
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Also, I think another game would be advised provided we dont have such long waits, and no offense, but folca you shouldn't be allowed to play for spoiling the game.
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yeah, sorry I don't know if thats my bad too for using it, I just got the information against my will kind of, I was getting a little desperate with the situation town was in. So I did what made sense at the time, but then again, I had information that I obtained Legit(?) I couldn't exactly ignore it. Maybe I shouldn't of leaked it, but whatever :/
My final defense. the lucchese had a list too :D
Sorry for also moderately contributing to the ruining of the game :/
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^ It's ok rebirth. I'm sorry for saying to people that you infiltrated the list (as i was told by several people that's what happened).
Also fishball sort of lost the game for us/ruined the game - this is because the first night we were going to kill rebirthoflegend as folca said to, then at the last second, fishball asked to kill bloodycobbler for no reason, and i went along with it to be fair... well yeh how did that turn out .
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On December 08 2008 18:16 Camlito wrote:^ It's ok rebirth. I'm sorry for saying to people that you infiltrated the list (as i was told by several people that's what happened). Also fishball sort of lost the game for us/ruined the game - this is because the first night we were going to kill rebirthoflegend as folca said to, then at the last second, fishball asked to kill bloodycobbler for no reason, and i went along with it to be fair... well yeh how did that turn out .
I wish falcynn had been in this game =( he would have been fishballs other auto kill meaning he woulda coin flipped, and i might have possibly lived haha.
Yeah, he really didnt ruin the game for you though, I'm insanely persistant in analysis if im alive, and as i said, i had linked him to my dead instantly, as well as mtf to seph, and a bunch of other possiblities that in the end turned out right, so aces clues weren't to hard to figure out. Had i been alive i would have fed aloooot of info to town leading to more red lynches over the fucking greens, so although rebirth wasnt killed like you wanted, someone who would have helped the town profusely did die.
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On December 08 2008 18:16 Camlito wrote:^ It's ok rebirth. I'm sorry for saying to people that you infiltrated the list (as i was told by several people that's what happened). Also fishball sort of lost the game for us/ruined the game - this is because the first night we were going to kill rebirthoflegend as folca said to, then at the last second, fishball asked to kill bloodycobbler for no reason, and i went along with it to be fair... well yeh how did that turn out .
Haha ouch. That pardon turned out a lot better than I thought it would lol
But yeah, how did you guys get such a complete role list? As I said in one of my longer posts there were a lot of blues that stupidly gave themselves away, but there were also quite a few who didn't or were inactive. I know that being able to rule the enemy mafia out helps a lot in this but even still, that was just way too accurate to be just by analysis.
Edit: I know you got some from MTF but even he said he didn't get that many or something such.
And yeah bloody I expected that out of you, whether in private or by pm. I really would've liked someone else to work with since with Showtime offed early and Caller doing the administrative stuff, I really was just working on my own with analysis, which makes thoughts go in circles. If we had another rolecheck getting plexa in the know sooner would've been good too ;/
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On December 08 2008 09:47 MTF wrote:
Actually, I was 100% honest with you at all times about the roles I recieved. The only blue we killed intentionally this entire game was Nemy;
Dick
edit: oh yeah and BC was right about the Fishball thing. He called it lol nj BC ;]
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