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On March 21 2008 14:50 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Perhaps not, but if there's any useful clues at all in the Day post, I'd think they would be in what the mafia said. The names of the mafia have way too many red herrings in them to be useful at this point, in my opinion.

I guess since a huge percentage of the names in the Day post have to do with Quentin Tarantino movies, it would be wise to check up on any references to him in people's names, posts, or signatures... Or even anagrams of Tarantino etc. But I still think the information that can be used by the town will only come out of the quotes.

And yes, I do realize that my name could tie me to Mr. Blue. However, as Shallow[Bay] showed, following the "clue" of the reservoir dogs names fingers tons of people, which is why I think it's a red herring. If the names have any meaning at all, it's a deeper on, such as the tie-in to one director or type of movie.

On March 21 2008 14:22 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Seems like a few decent leads on them, then.

On March 21 2008 14:13 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Also, did anyone make a comment in this thread, insinuating that if someone got elected mayor that the town would enact something similar to martial law? Cause that person could be the one that this quote: "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law" is pointing to.

On March 21 2008 14:50 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Perhaps not, but if there's any useful clues at all in the Day post, I'd think they would be in what the mafia said. The names of the mafia have way too many red herrings in them to be useful at this point, in my opinion.

I guess since a huge percentage of the names in the Day post have to do with Quentin Tarantino movies, it would be wise to check up on any references to him in people's names, posts, or signatures... Or even anagrams of Tarantino etc. But I still think the information that can be used by the town will only come out of the quotes.

And yes, I do realize that my name could tie me to Mr. Blue. However, as Shallow[Bay] showed, following the "clue" of the reservoir dogs names fingers tons of people, which is why I think it's a red herring. If the names have any meaning at all, it's a deeper on, such as the tie-in to one director or type of movie.

On March 21 2008 15:17 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Just so the mods know, I'm not spamming this thread. I'm just the type of person that always has one more thought after I hit the post button, and I don't think editing in a mafia game should be allowed.

Anyway, the reason I think the quotes I mentioned are probably clues is because they stand out from the rest of the storyline. Perhaps I see this dichotomy because I'm a writer, but the dialogue seems very stilted and unnatural, as if it was inserted into the story, instead of being written in along with everything else. If that's the case, then it was probably put in after a general outline of the day post had been fleshed out. The only thing that would be added at that point are the clues, which is why I feel that the dialogue contains the relevant information.

This theory is further supported by the fact that some of the dialogue is double-punctuated (IE: a quote ending with an exclamation, followed by an extraneous period). Perhaps Chuiu and Dapperdan just don't pay much attention to their grammar rules, but the other possible explanation for that is that the sentence was inserted in, and they forgot to delete the extra period.

On March 21 2008 15:49 OneBlueAugust wrote:


Sarcasm I hope :/

On March 20 2008 12:18 Mynock wrote:


I never said we should lynch you. The best tactic for town right now is to wait out on you and see how things develop.

Lynching you if you're innocent is a set-back for the town, but keeping you if you're mafia is not really a problem. You'd just be like any other mafia, except more suspicious .

On March 21 2008 03:19 Mynock wrote:


I have to agree. So far, shitstirrers like Shallow and Showtime! contributed nothing but confusion.

I really hope they are with mafia, cause whatever side they're on, they only hinder it...

Just let's hope they're no special towny roles, would suck to have them wasted like that.

On March 20 2008 09:17 Mynock wrote:
I think it's very important that all the detectives know for sure that the mayor is legit. Of course saving up the ability to check a person's role is also important, but the start is of utmost importance. Also, once the mayor is elected everybody should be able to reveal their roles to him. Don't forget that if the mafia tried to claim a role to the mayor, and more than the number of the assigned roles claimed it, the mafia would be quite easy to spot, so I doubt they would try that move.

In fact, another of the downfalls of Empyrean's self-revealing is as follows: While every detective just uses one of their checks to see if the mayor is legit, Empyrean (the only one who claimed he is a detective, and as such we should try to use him to save a role-check), should use his power to check the pardoner instead. He will probably be muted by the saboteur tho, so then one of the hidden detectives will have to waste another role-check on the pardoner, while Empyrean will eventually either be kept mute or dead as soon as a different target arrives.

This would leave us with a mere 3 [edit: oh, plus the 2 from the jack, so it's pretty OK!] role-checks for the rest of the game, but It's still well worth it IMO.

On March 19 2008 07:25 Mynock wrote:


We're obviously all aware that a detective as mayor would be AWESOME, the problem is just your "coming out" like this, so it forces the town to move radically. (Of course right now the medics really don't have any better targets, just as the detectives, so in the first day I guess it's not a big problem... But still, the Bodyguard Plan sounds good and solid - without too much guessing, too.)

On March 20 2008 09:46 Mynock wrote:


That's just what I said as well. Altho towards the end of the game I suppose the role-check will become even more important in case there is a case like with Live2Win.

That's because, even though the plan of the role-townies revealing themselves all to the mayor would ensure all the roles are accounted for, if one of the roles doesn't have all the members being active enough it might pose such a problem that imposters might show up and infiltrate the system. Besides, there will always be plenty of townies who will draw suspicion to themselves through irrational behaviour (i.e Empyrean ).

On March 19 2008 07:17 Mynock wrote:


That's your personal view of course, so be it.

But if a mayor says that it's the best thing for the town if a mayor is a Suicide Bomber (a MAFIA role) then... Well, I rest my case.

On March 19 2008 07:21 Mynock wrote:
And Emp, obviously we wouldn't want to lynch you if you're a detective, but as someone already said, pushing your will like that isn't a cool characteristic for a mayor.

Besides, you just basically put it like "oh and btw I'm a detective, kinda an advantage, right?".

So now it's the best interest of the town to have you:

1) Protected (medics please?)
2) Investigated (detectives please?)

Basically now the town has to act and correct the situation because of your own decision. If you're right a DT mayor would of course be swell for town - but if you're not, we have to deal with the situation.

On March 20 2008 11:07 Mynock wrote:


Exactly. If he was a vanilla townie and thought his position through properly, he would have realized that he can hurt the mafia more by lying about him being a detective.

Or, he's a detective after all, and is now just trying to save his hide.

Or, he's mafia, in which case the confusion is obvious, but then he just made himself suspicious for no real benefit, and the best move would jut be to hold him suspicious without any direct actions atm.

On March 20 2008 10:49 Mynock wrote:
Shallow, will you please stop with the incessant harassments? You have done absolutely nothing else the last 60 pages. And yes, we're all aware you're just "having fun".

Also, probably the best strategy would be for the medics to decide themselves if they want to protect Empyrean or not, this way the mafia will have to guess whether to use up their suicide bomber (and potentially waste him) or just use up some of their killing power (and still not get the kill). Let them guess.

On March 19 2008 07:09 Mynock wrote:
Dark Templar? The term DT was used before in this thread several times, always denoting detective. What Dark Templar?

I'm beginning to think now that Empyrean, if not mafia, is a towny saboteur who wants to cause misunderstanding just for fun cause he only got a plain towny or something. Either way, I don't know what to make of all of this yet, but you sure drew a hell of a lot of attention to yourself.

On March 19 2008 07:13 Mynock wrote:


The suicide bombers can't kill a mayor, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if they could. [edit: and suggesting all the bodyguards would die before is really far fetched]

So either you haven't read the rules at all (don't know the roles, don't know the abilities), or you're doing all this deliberately, or you said something you now want to be unsaid.

Any case, I think it's now in your best interest to step down from the election and let us decide later

Because either you're not serious enough about the task of a mayor or a mafia. Not a good choice any way. Plus you've now made yourself sound suspicious.

On March 20 2008 10:56 Mynock wrote:


No, you don't realize a vital part of the plan, namely that the detectives use their role-check ability to see if the mayor is mafia or legit. If he is mafia we will know at once, if he's not, also.

Worst case scenario is we lose a detective vs a mafia, best case scenario is we have a solid foundation for the rest of the game.

On March 21 2008 01:10 Mynock wrote:
I just now had time to catch up to the latest events and I have a couple things to say. Firstly, fusion, lay off of Ace please? Ace seems absolutely competent for his job, if based only on the fact that he's not acting based on emotions (unlike many of you here). Lynching iNc was easily justified, and explained oh so many times. If a person doesn't respond for 2 days while having a PM about being a Mad Hatter in their mailbox... well, nobody could have possibly predicted that. iNc is pretty much at fault himself here.

Also, lynching Empyrean is only in the mafia's best interests. Why? Well, if I was mafia, I would now be pretty much confused about Empyrean's role (and chances of him being mafia are not too high actually). I think the following course of events is likely: If we largely predict Empyrean to be dead tonight, they will leave him be and have him attract suspicion to himself. If however we largely predict that they will know we think so, and that's exactly the reason they kept him alive, we should not jump the gun too soon because we risk lynching an active townie.

Had we lynched Empyrean first day, that's a lot of problems off of mafia's shoulders, less guessing for them to do. Still, Emp presents a good target for the mafia even now, so helping them by going ahead and doing the job for them is in no way a good strategy.

As for the Mad Hatter, I can't believe how some of you base your arguments on the mere fact that he happened to be a blue. If anything, it was iNc's fault! Ace went out of his way to ensure a role would not be harmed, his actions clearly shown it.

Calm down people, and be reasonable. Now that we have a solid foundation for the game, let's do our best to build up from here, and work together with the people in office.

On March 20 2008 10:52 Mynock wrote:


Let's hope once Ace is in the office the plan works and we'll soon have a mayor who could then coordinate us and see if Emp really is legit.

With a saboteur and a suicide bomber among the mafia tho, Emp is absolutely useless to the town now either way, except we might save a lynch if he is proven innocent. That's about all the use there is.

On March 20 2008 11:01 Mynock wrote:
Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber.

Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further.

This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho.

On March 20 2008 12:07 Mynock wrote:
And yes, in case mafia claims to be a detective, Ace coordinates the detectives so that they make a round-check (can even ask a Jack to help) by asking them to check certain people and send in their results without revealing them to anybody else. This way mafia loses a member quite soon and quite certainly. It also has to be added though, that role-checking the detectives is absolutely important tho, as they and the bodyguards are the base of the whole mayor-town network and have to work closely with the mayor.

Role-claiming other roles is also not a good idea for mafia, as roles can always be checked upon, and a mafia will always come into a short list of people and a lot of suspicion this way.

Imagine mafia claiming a paramedic role. Now mayor assigns the paramedics to different targets (only he knows the targets and their roles) - now if one of the targets still dies it means the mafia somehow knew about the protection and sent more killers or the protector wasn't even protecting anything. Equally, if the mafia does not target the fake medic's assignment, it basically ensures the target's safety. So it's almost as having an extra medic around

Fake-claiming roles for mafia does not seem like a good strategy here.

On March 19 2008 04:11 Mynock wrote:


I agree.

What really goes against Empyrian here is that since he did well last game this feeble move right now seems like quite a misstep.

Doesn't look right.

On March 20 2008 11:51 Mynock wrote:
Btw, and advice to paramedics: protect people who you see as being active and posting lots of proactive advice. Think the way a mafia would - it is in scum's best interest to target active, helping townies, so make your decisions based on that. Make them waste their hit power.

On March 18 2008 21:37 Mynock wrote:



He's already lying! Very suspicious!

Let's see his points:

1 - Debatable! (OK, who am I kidding, that's a valid point)
2 - Liar! You're not a mod, you're a newsposter, you can't read edits!
3 - Irrelevant!
4 - Five!

And you're not an admin! OMG, deceit!

On March 19 2008 07:01 Mynock wrote:
Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious.

I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor."

So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What?

On March 19 2008 07:05 Mynock wrote:
I thought so too, but why is he using "/" then? :/ And what does it have to do with his goal? Is he asking for an "other" detective to come out as well?

And all this talk about "a mafia mayor is just as good" is just...

On March 21 2008 22:57 Mynock wrote:


I don't think they would communicate through PMs tho, that's not really efficient. If I was mafia I'd make use of a separate forum created for this reason, passworded and all. Then again, if they don't use anything like that - more power to us

But yeah, awaiting day now, nothing better to do than speculate... :/

On March 22 2008 11:32 Mynock wrote:
Two mafias, HIGH FIVE!!

Daybreak when? I will die

On March 22 2008 12:43 Mynock wrote:


Siddharta Fucking Gautama Buddha, you'll never stop, will you?

Mafia please kill me now, else I shoot myself out of frustration -_-;

On March 20 2008 08:13 Yogurt wrote:
i've found some flaws in the bodyguard plan, or at least i think i did, but ill wait till he reposts

On March 20 2008 08:32 Yogurt wrote:

thats not the one, but again, ill wait for ace to post it again

On March 20 2008 11:28 Yogurt wrote:
how do we guarantee who the detectives are again?

imo if the mafia was smart, they would have 1 or two claim the detective roles to cause a lot of confusion and stall while townies died, even if they got lynched in the end

On March 20 2008 13:40 Yogurt wrote:
should've lynched someone that at least voted, which shows their active but refusing to share their views

its not too good of odds to just pick randomly

On March 20 2008 10:51 Yogurt wrote:


i reread the plan, and for some reason i had in my mind that then the townies would be pm'ing their roles to the bodyguards, but i see he never wrote that

in any case, this wouldn't work because of the massive pool of townies. Yes, it'd be easy to fish out the role claimers, as there are only two or three of each role, but the pool of townies is like 90 something people, which would allow mafia to just put their names in as townies, and it wouldn't help much.

But anyway, I'm curious as to how the plan will continue. So hypothetically lets say Ace is mafia. He gets into "office" releases the names of the bodyguards, and everything seems fine. But if the town thinks he is legit, as he well might be, he garners a huge amount of trust and can sway the lynching votes away from his fellow mafia.

But anyway, even if we do get the bodyguard names, where do we go from there? IF ace is mafia, he could release the names, but just as well kill all the bodyguards the first night. Well great, we lynch him, fine. But now pardoner has no bodyguards, and we're down a mayor.

I dunno I guess someone should be skeptical of this plan

On March 20 2008 12:52 Yogurt wrote:


you mean the other way around right?

at worst he's a townie?

unless you meant it that way...!

seriously though,i think the lynch would be better used on one of the quieter players, as we learned from last game

On March 21 2008 04:15 Yogurt wrote:
I'm not pming yet on the premise Ace might be mafia

Another thing i have to say is everyone consider what they would do if they were mafia

Would you really be contributing, besides maybe running for mayor, or would you lay back and try to let the town incriminate themselves like last match?

The quietest ones are often the most dangerous

On March 19 2008 03:34 Yogurt wrote:
i vote for empyrean

On March 19 2008 07:13 Yogurt wrote:
even if empyrean is mafia, i dont see how it could potentially be THAT bad

his double vote doesn't count for much, and if he doesn't put our double lynch demands to use, we can just lynch him and be done with it

if he is really townie, or detective as he claims, then he would truly be a crazy help to the town

he knows the game, winning it last round, and writing a detailed summary, so either way we either get a huge plus, or a not so bad negative

On March 19 2008 10:34 goldenkrnboi wrote:
what if the pardoner is mafia?

On March 19 2008 10:37 goldenkrnboi wrote:


clever. :O

On March 19 2008 10:26 goldenkrnboi wrote:


63. HeRoS)Pink
95. OneBlueAugust

it's too early to tell and it seems a bit too obvious, but let's just keep an eye on these two

On March 20 2008 15:40 goldenkrnboi wrote:
.____.


well, can't really blame him. true, he should have gone for lurkerish type of people, but whatever.

all we can do now is just wait for morning to come.

On March 21 2008 15:04 goldenkrnboi wrote:


Although I agree that the clue is too vague, chuiu specifically says that he avoids doing intentional red herrings.

On March 22 2008 00:50 goldenkrnboi wrote:




don't forget that last time, the votes and the discussion were on the same thread.