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Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4844 Posts
March 22 2008 14:59 GMT
#1941
After reading up on the clues and the various interpretations, my thoughts are:

I think Lostyourskills, L, and Hittegods are very suspicious too, but imo, we're on the wrong track with Ninja4ever.

I would post a longer explanation if I had the time (feel free to troll me with "BANDWAGONER OMG!" for it).
Complete the cycle!
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
March 22 2008 15:00 GMT
#1942
No one should be voting yet until we discuss our strategy.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-27 02:46:59
March 22 2008 15:03 GMT
#1943
+ Show Spoiler [eddie] +
Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner".

Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.

Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.

Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off. They backed away from Yogurt and watched in anticipation expecting him to set off a bomb attached to his chest. He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.
Traits
- Seems to be the leader of the group
- Likes to kick (Tekken reference?)
(- One of four horsemen of the apocalypse?)
- Seems to get lucky/panicky

+ Show Spoiler [sidewinder] +
Grabbing Sidewinders arm, he flung him towards the group ahead of him. Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black.

Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after.

Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust.
Traits
- Sickly appearance
- Periods of extreme skill and extreme unease (ie alternating in talent)
- Seems to be a minor character
(- One of four horsemen of the apocalypse?)

+ Show Spoiler [Joe] +
"Just let us go, you can run things however you please once we're gone" he said, and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!". DapperDan flinched at the thought, he gauged the distance to the door and what he would need to do to get there.

Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.
Traits
- Follows Eddie's orders
(- Not present in Night's activities)

+ Show Spoiler [Mr Blonde] +
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground.

He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.

With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown.

He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.
Traits
- Comes from nowhere (dark -> light)
(- Possibly connected to a smiley face)
- Shotgun user (possibly killing DD on day1)

+ Show Spoiler [King Brown Snake] +
King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again.
Traits
- Blockade
(- not present in night)

+ Show Spoiler [Cottonmouth] +
Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. He braced himself against the wall as he pulled them out with his good hand. He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but one by one four more knived embraced his good arm.

NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back.
Traits
- Knives = weapon of choice
- Leaves his victims to die slowly
(- Not present in opening night)

+ Show Spoiler [Snake Charmer] +
Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.

Snake Charmer wasn't just standing idle though as he slashed away at goldenkrnboi giving him one gruesome gash after another. He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.
Traits
- Uses swords
(- Possible kill bill reference)
(- Not present in opening night)

+ Show Spoiler [Mr White] +
Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.

He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.

- Stomped a head
(- Not present in opening night)

+ Show Spoiler [The Wolf] +
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
Traits
- Remorseful, respectful
- "Made his mark"
- Didn't kill anyone in night
(- Kill bill reference)

+ Show Spoiler [Black Mamba] +
Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease.

Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.

Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off.
Traits
- Works closely with Eddie, possibly direct underling
- Uses his legs to kill
- Hit in the face with a rock
(- Not present in opening night)
(- Potentially associated with 4 horsemen of the apocalypse)

+ Show Spoiler [Mr Brown] +
As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.

Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.
Traits
- Possibly yells alot
- Support character
(- Similar to king brown snakes trading glares, diff character therefore not clue imo)
(- Not in opening night)

+ Show Spoiler [Taipan Snake] +
He quickly ran through the yard towards his car parked out front but The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time.

They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device
Traits
- Seems to be unarmed (not associated with weapons)
- (Australian connection, Taipan is a highly venomous snake)
- Electronics connection

+ Show Spoiler [Mr Red/Mr Black] +
Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black.
Traits
- Nothing
- Not present in last night

+ Show Spoiler [Enigma] +
Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"

The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake. Well Dinmsab was getting really impatient at this point and demanded an explanation for what was going on. Enigma stood up and proclaimed "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".

Traits
-
(- Not present in last night)

+ Show Spoiler [Mr Pink] +
"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.

Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.

He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after

OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)

+ Show Spoiler [Mr Blue] +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
Traits
- Concerned with who will be mayor
- Last word

Total mafia count: 17
Mafia unrevealed: 3
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4844 Posts
March 22 2008 15:04 GMT
#1944
On March 22 2008 23:47 JeeJee wrote:
ah yes it could be you too, good catch.
also, i recall someone quoting araav saying "i think i was protected, and the medic, can you PM me since you know im innocent" or something like that. well someone quoted him and said you should get a pm if you were protected.. my question is, assuming he was really protected, why would he ask for the medic to msg him? on the other hand, if he wanted the identity of the medic, it becomes more likely for his affiliation to be mafia


You misunderstood me. You don't get a notice if you're being watched, only if you are watched, targetted by an attack and saved!

Quoting the rules now to make it even more clear:

"Paramedic

(...)

A clue will not be left behind if he is saved, the town won't know who was saved, but I will let the Paramedic and the person saved know if they were targeted and saved."

I guess that also means, that for example, if 2 paramedics are protecting X, and X gets hit by 2 mafia, he won't get a notice "Hey you were hit by 2 mafia, but 2 medics saved your ass" but only "you were hit and saved". Both medics would get a PM like this in this case: "X, that you protected, was hit, but he's still alive." This way, both medics would know that the person they watched for is saved, but they wouldn't know that more than 1 medic was watching him, nor they would know if there were more than 1 mafia hits.

That's my interpretation, and I'm fairly sure it's correct.

If Chuiu or anyone more experienced finds a flaw in my explanation, feel free to point it out.
Complete the cycle!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 22 2008 15:05 GMT
#1945
On March 22 2008 23:32 JeeJee wrote:
a recurring statement:

day1
Show nested quote +
He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake...


day2
Show nested quote +
climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged...


unfortunately, i've gone through the profiles and can't seem to find anyone that has a face-to-face thing going on for them. i didn't look @ profile pics though, maybe someone could skim through those quick? :O

edit: ok current suspect list for this quote (thx to heros)pink contribution) in order of likelyhood (completely imho)

nemy - profile Pic, chick looking at her face in mirror
RowdierBob - profile pic, animation guys looking at each other
heros)pink - profile pic, 2 people looking in each other's eyes (trading glares)
omfghi2u2 - name
LemMe - quote, what's up
while this is a recurring statement it applies to two different characters... however both have 'brown' in their name which could be something... however for the time being i think that this clue will lead us nowhere
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 22 2008 15:07 GMT
#1946
On March 23 2008 00:04 Naib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2008 23:47 JeeJee wrote:
ah yes it could be you too, good catch.
also, i recall someone quoting araav saying "i think i was protected, and the medic, can you PM me since you know im innocent" or something like that. well someone quoted him and said you should get a pm if you were protected.. my question is, assuming he was really protected, why would he ask for the medic to msg him? on the other hand, if he wanted the identity of the medic, it becomes more likely for his affiliation to be mafia


You misunderstood me. You don't get a notice if you're being watched, only if you are watched, targetted by an attack and saved!

Quoting the rules now to make it even more clear:

"Paramedic

(...)

A clue will not be left behind if he is saved, the town won't know who was saved, but I will let the Paramedic and the person saved know if they were targeted and saved."

I guess that also means, that for example, if 2 paramedics are protecting X, and X gets hit by 2 mafia, he won't get a notice "Hey you were hit by 2 mafia, but 2 medics saved your ass" but only "you were hit and saved". Both medics would get a PM like this in this case: "X, that you protected, was hit, but he's still alive." This way, both medics would know that the person they watched for is saved, but they wouldn't know that more than 1 medic was watching him, nor they would know if there were more than 1 mafia hits.

That's my interpretation, and I'm fairly sure it's correct.

If Chuiu or anyone more experienced finds a flaw in my explanation, feel free to point it out.



.....yeeeees
and? how does this justify araav wanting to know the identity of the medic
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 22 2008 15:21 GMT
#1947
Okay...I am still suspecting Caller now. The cell phone clue, bringing up him trying to call and not get through because it won't work. Maybe the cell phone was just brought up to bring it in, and it not working was part of the story? The other part, eating lead. Caller's quote has a list of edibles (I think, don't feel like hunting his quote as he doesn't post in the thread much, which I believe is him trying to lay low, and it ends with lead.

Still trying to decipher some more clues.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4844 Posts
March 22 2008 15:27 GMT
#1948
@ JeeJee

Sorry, I didn't intend to answer that part of your post, I think I misunderstood you a bit, thinking that you didn't "get" that whole "when-you-get-a-PM" thing. Sorry for that.

As for your explanation, yes, that's one side of the argument - but maybe he just wants someone to share information with? Like, a smaller work-group that Ace is putting together. Maybe I'm just naive
Complete the cycle!
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 22 2008 15:30 GMT
#1949
On March 23 2008 00:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Okay...I am still suspecting Caller now. The cell phone clue, bringing up him trying to call and not get through because it won't work. Maybe the cell phone was just brought up to bring it in, and it not working was part of the story? The other part, eating lead. Caller's quote has a list of edibles (I think, don't feel like hunting his quote as he doesn't post in the thread much, which I believe is him trying to lay low, and it ends with lead.

Still trying to decipher some more clues.


The phone portion is so obvious and plainfaced that it seems to unreasonable to be a clue. Especially when it's mentioned like five times. And he doesn't eat lead, he eats "buckshot."

again, my quote is from monty python, and i am somewhat active, thank you very much. i have things to do ya know ^_^
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
March 22 2008 15:38 GMT
#1950
I don't know about the telephone clue linking to Caller.


Chuiu made that same "clue" last mafia game and it linked to no one -- it was just part of the plot. Not being in the game last game, I suspected it to be linking to Caller as well, which it did not. It could still point to him, I'm just saying that it didn't last game and it's basically a clone of what was said last game as well. It might just be Chuiu's writing style/technique/preferences.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
March 22 2008 15:38 GMT
#1951
Sorry for my inactivity guys. I've had the flu, but I'm feeling better now.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 22 2008 15:39 GMT
#1952
On March 23 2008 00:38 0cz3c wrote:
I don't know about the telephone clue linking to Caller.


Chuiu made that same "clue" last mafia game and it linked to no one -- it was just part of the plot. Not being in the game last game, I suspected it to be linking to Caller as well, which it did not. It could still point to him, I'm just saying that it didn't last game and it's basically a clone of what was said last game as well. It might just be Chuiu's writing style/technique/preferences.


it actually linked to fen and his birthday
as far as i understand, the only recurring thing from last game that didn't point to anyone was people kicking stuff, so i wouldn't look too deep into any of those clues. chuiu himself said something along those lines "i like people kicking shit. it wasn't a clue that pointed to anyone else though"
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17045 Posts
March 22 2008 15:50 GMT
#1953
On March 23 2008 00:30 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2008 00:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Okay...I am still suspecting Caller now. The cell phone clue, bringing up him trying to call and not get through because it won't work. Maybe the cell phone was just brought up to bring it in, and it not working was part of the story? The other part, eating lead. Caller's quote has a list of edibles (I think, don't feel like hunting his quote as he doesn't post in the thread much, which I believe is him trying to lay low, and it ends with lead.

Still trying to decipher some more clues.


The phone portion is so obvious and plainfaced that it seems to unreasonable to be a clue. Especially when it's mentioned like five times. And he doesn't eat lead, he eats "buckshot."

again, my quote is from monty python, and i am somewhat active, thank you very much. i have things to do ya know ^_^


Yeah, I thought buckshot was what was placed into shotguns? Like small pieces of lead? Kind of like your quote, in which small rocks and lead are referenced :/
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17045 Posts
March 22 2008 15:51 GMT
#1954
Hell, the wikipedia article for "Buckshot" redirects to "Lead shot".

"Lead shot is a collective term for small balls of lead. It is used primarily as projectiles in shotguns, but is also used for a variety of other purposes. It was traditionally made using a shot tower."
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0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
March 22 2008 15:59 GMT
#1955
I believe a buckshot is identical to a lead shot. I think it's an enlarged shot of lead used for deer hunting, or shooting buck.
BlindAlbino
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Ecuador176 Posts
March 22 2008 16:06 GMT
#1956
after reading all your thoughts, I feel the str clues are the strongest

3 letter name, and he cuts out the power...thats 2 strong clues so i will most likely vote for him
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
March 22 2008 16:12 GMT
#1957
Movie references:

Eddie, Joe, Mr Blonde, Mr Brown, Mr White, Mr Pink, Mr Blue - characters from Reservoir Dogs

Sidewinder, Cottonmouth, Snake Charmer, Black Mamba - characters from Kill Bill

The Wolf - possible reference to Winston Wolf (almost always called Mr Wolf), a character from Pulp Fiction

King Brown Snake, Taipan Snake, Mr Red, Mr Black, Enigma - unknown


Notes:
- these are all Tarantino's movies if anybody didn't know
- the two snakes not in Kill Bill are both from Australia and are highly venomous, these 2 are the only Australian snakes of all mentioned
- the only "color guys" not taken from Reservoir Dogs are red and black, and among all countries from the world (according to wikipedia), only Albania has red and black as the only colours on their flag... too bad we don't have any Albanians playing
- Enigma is even more of an unknown (surprise! )
- Mr Blonde from Reservoir Dogs and Sidewinder from Kill Bill were both played by Michael Madsen
- Mr White from Reservoir Dogs and Mr Wolf from Pulp Fiction were both played by Harvey Keitel

That would be all for now... Maybe I'll come up with something else later.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 22 2008 16:14 GMT
#1958
Buck Shot = Lead Shot...

And also, before you eat me up about the post I made suspecting caller, read the whole thing. "The cell phone use might just be part of the story?"

Yes, I posted that with it. So no need to post telling me "It might just be part of the story" because I've already said I'm aware of that. The only reasons I'm so willing to suspect caller, he was in last game and showed a large amount of activity, this game his activity has went down, the cell phone use, the eating lead references, and the small rocks in his quote.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 22 2008 16:21 GMT
#1959
I didn't really 'drop off'. I had an organic 4 midterm of thursday night, and spent a lot of time sleeping afterwards.

As for the smilie clue, people have completely dropped the fact that people who actually use smilies could be the mafia in question (I don't.), and the largest repository of smilies for posts is the mood section, which no one has documented, and thus is very easy to change. Just as an example, Here's a picture of Shallow, unedited from page 94.

[image loading]
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 22 2008 16:22 GMT
#1960
Wow, i'm bad at linking images.

[image loading]
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
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