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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
April 21 2008 05:10 GMT
#4961
On April 21 2008 07:53 SoleSteeler wrote:
Agh

I'm not mafia

Trust me

When I was accused before, I said not to look at one part of my name. Now I need to say soul stealer != SoleSteeler. SoleSteeler has nothing to do with draining life, or energy, or anything. We need to stick with the people we know are mafia, trust me, I am not mafia.

Sorry to say this dude... but thats not what i'd call a good defense.

"Trust me" says absolutely nothing. Anybody under suspicion, town or mafia, would want players to trust them.

Likewise the SoleSteeler/SoulStealer connection. You can't deny that the two are homonyms... enough for Chuiu to build a clue around your name being "Soul Stealer"
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5449 Posts
April 21 2008 07:14 GMT
#4962
True. I know how the game works, and that saying "trust me" doesn't mean shit. I'm going to try and show you guys why I'm such a stretch.

First of all, to be honest, I don't buy that the energy stealing thing is part of Mr. Pink.

Day 1:

""Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans."

First day, Mr. Pink is cautious. Nothing to do with SoleSteeler, or anything relating to me in my profile, etc. (It's early in the game, I know)

Day 2:

"Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia."

This can be interpreted in a few ways. Some have said that it makes him "calm, cool and collected", which is true; but of course, I see no way how that links to me. It's a logical statement of a fact. Maybe unsoundlogic? (Although I might have recalled seeing him on the "confirmed innocent" list.)

"OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground."

What is this gooey substance, and is it even connected to Mr. Pink? How does that connect to me? Sorry, I've tried to keep up with this thread over the past few weeks, but it's hard to find specific info; has anyone figured out what that's supposed to be? Certainly gooey has nothing to do with "sole", which is a fish or the bottom of a shoe, or "steel", which is the opposite of gooey!

"Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live."

This is the main clue against life draining, yes? There is no mention of draining; you lose strength if you're in a fight and you're getting the shit kicked out of you by an "able fighter". It's a slightly weird way to word it, I agree, but it doesn't necessary imply anything about "draining", which would indicate that Mr. Pink is getting stronger, when he is clearly already strong in the first place (able fighter). Nothing like "as Mr. Pink continued to beat OneBlueAugust, he felt his strength rising as OneBlueAugust's got weaker." I just don't see anything about draining. Even then, as I said before, SoleSteeler != Soul Stealer. What about someone like "Energies" who's name is more connected with a life force than mine?

I've also seen the word "incubus" being thrown around. That's a pretty specific demon to pick; Mr. Pink isn't going around seducing women and draining their souls, so I don't get why someone might think that Mr. Pink is an incubus.

Day 3:

"Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you.""

Quiet friend. I suppose I am relatively quiet in the game, but there's many others who would fit the role as someone "quiet" more than I.

Day 4: Mr. Pink doesn't appear (that I can tell)

Ditto Day 5 (?)

Day 6:

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.


So Mr. Pink is fast (caught up to him first). Or at least faster than Mr. Brown. Both mafioso are brutal here, but holding someone down as another smashes his head in with a rock (from a yard decoration, hmm), is again in no way connected to me.

Anyways, I am seriously baffled that anyone would see the "proof" presented against me as "concrete" or "damning" at all. We have one line (that I can tell) that can be interpreted as someone who's life is being "drained", but it's certainly not for sure. When you're getting beat up, you feel your strength leaving you. It's fairly common to see that in creative writing. Anyways, Mr. pink has no mention of fish, steel, or of being a loner too (like the "sole" person), since he's usually with Mr. Brown.

We have other people that have are more likely mafia, so I would ask all of you to at least get rid of those people first, and hopefully more clues will come forth, and you will continue to see that there isn't a shred of evidence that links anything Mr. Pink has done to me.

MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 07:16 GMT
#4963
Well, I looked through the pages and didn't find that much. Perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough/well enough. I'm probably unintentionally skipping over words from having read them already so many times. XD

Anyway, here are the only links I can draw;

L to Enigma to Investigation:
+ Show Spoiler +

head out to investigate
went up the stairs to investigate
up to investigate
over to them to investigate
inspecting his window

Investigation appears quite frequently, and if L turns up red (as it is seeming he will upon further personal investigation into the medic matter), I'd say that this pointed to him.



ieatkids5 to Mr.White to Laziness:
+ Show Spoiler +

Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room

This is the only thing I could find. The mafia is never named specifically, but I feel strongly that ieatkids5 is mafia, and is Mr. White.



Finally, something I know people are going to be on my ass about,

Str to Cottonmouth to Words:
+ Show Spoiler +

Alright, I'll admit that I searched this because I can't find anyone with links to 44 other than str; if someone can find a stronger candidate, go for it. This is my summary for str relatedness:

Day 1:

Words beginning with str: 0
Words str is a known abbrievation for: 0


Day 2:

Words beginning with str: 8

mafia would strike,
diving straight into
ground Mynock struggled
He struck him down
struck Black Mamba
OneBlueAugust struggled to
no strength left
stone that struck his

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 2

straight
strength


Day 3:

Words beginning with str: 1

stricken with fear,

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 0


Day 4:

Words beginning with str: 6

strange device fired
strange man on his way
surge in strength to knock
the street Showtime!
stabbed Showtime! straight
across the street

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 2

strength
straight


Day 5:

Words beginning with str: 2

a street fight
straight at him

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 1

straight


Day 6:

Words beginning with str: 3

strong message and
street where shadowdrgn
streets as he riddled

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 0

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Days 2 and 4 are when Cottonmouth shows up and when the greatest concentration of str related words come into play. If the next day post contains 44 and many str words, please lynch str (after L/ulszz) for me if I am dead. Pleaseeeeeeeee.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 07:28 GMT
#4964
On April 21 2008 16:14 SoleSteeler wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

True. I know how the game works, and that saying "trust me" doesn't mean shit. I'm going to try and show you guys why I'm such a stretch.

First of all, to be honest, I don't buy that the energy stealing thing is part of Mr. Pink.

Day 1:

""Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans."

First day, Mr. Pink is cautious. Nothing to do with SoleSteeler, or anything relating to me in my profile, etc. (It's early in the game, I know)

Day 2:

"Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia."

This can be interpreted in a few ways. Some have said that it makes him "calm, cool and collected", which is true; but of course, I see no way how that links to me. It's a logical statement of a fact. Maybe unsoundlogic? (Although I might have recalled seeing him on the "confirmed innocent" list.)

"OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground."

What is this gooey substance, and is it even connected to Mr. Pink? How does that connect to me? Sorry, I've tried to keep up with this thread over the past few weeks, but it's hard to find specific info; has anyone figured out what that's supposed to be? Certainly gooey has nothing to do with "sole", which is a fish or the bottom of a shoe, or "steel", which is the opposite of gooey!

"Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live."

This is the main clue against life draining, yes? There is no mention of draining; you lose strength if you're in a fight and you're getting the shit kicked out of you by an "able fighter". It's a slightly weird way to word it, I agree, but it doesn't necessary imply anything about "draining", which would indicate that Mr. Pink is getting stronger, when he is clearly already strong in the first place (able fighter). Nothing like "as Mr. Pink continued to beat OneBlueAugust, he felt his strength rising as OneBlueAugust's got weaker." I just don't see anything about draining. Even then, as I said before, SoleSteeler != Soul Stealer. What about someone like "Energies" who's name is more connected with a life force than mine?

I've also seen the word "incubus" being thrown around. That's a pretty specific demon to pick; Mr. Pink isn't going around seducing women and draining their souls, so I don't get why someone might think that Mr. Pink is an incubus.

Day 3:

"Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you.""

Quiet friend. I suppose I am relatively quiet in the game, but there's many others who would fit the role as someone "quiet" more than I.

Day 4: Mr. Pink doesn't appear (that I can tell)

Ditto Day 5 (?)

Day 6:

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.


So Mr. Pink is fast (caught up to him first). Or at least faster than Mr. Brown. Both mafioso are brutal here, but holding someone down as another smashes his head in with a rock (from a yard decoration, hmm), is again in no way connected to me.

Anyways, I am seriously baffled that anyone would see the "proof" presented against me as "concrete" or "damning" at all. We have one line (that I can tell) that can be interpreted as someone who's life is being "drained", but it's certainly not for sure. When you're getting beat up, you feel your strength leaving you. It's fairly common to see that in creative writing. Anyways, Mr. pink has no mention of fish, steel, or of being a loner too (like the "sole" person), since he's usually with Mr. Brown.

We have other people that have are more likely mafia, so I would ask all of you to at least get rid of those people first, and hopefully more clues will come forth, and you will continue to see that there isn't a shred of evidence that links anything Mr. Pink has done to me.



I honestly agree with you. We don't really have a solid candidate for Pink overall, I feel. I may be disagreed with here by others, but it's what I feel.

I don't think you're in any immediate danger of being lynched, anyway. There are, as you said, many stronger candidates for that before you and we can afford to kill them while waiting to see what new clues come about.

Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p
Think. :)
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 21 2008 07:45 GMT
#4965
On April 21 2008 16:14 SoleSteeler wrote:
We have other people that have are more likely mafia, so I would ask all of you to at least get rid of those people first, and hopefully more clues will come forth, and you will continue to see that there isn't a shred of evidence that links anything Mr. Pink has done to me.

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. There is evidence against you already now, you wouldn't be accused otherwise. Whether the connection is solid and will be repeated in the upcoming days remains to be seen.
We will lynch other people first, you're not so high up the priority list. If ulszz turns out mafia though, that means Nightmare is innocent, which isn't good for you.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5449 Posts
April 21 2008 07:50 GMT
#4966
I see. When I say there's no evidence against me, I'm just not seeing the connection, besides the small possibility that Mr. Pink actually drains life.

Hopefully it'll become clearer in the next few days.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 21 2008 11:10 GMT
#4967
Yeah let's see. When is day? Daytime will probably be fast because we already know almost for sure who to lynch.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
April 21 2008 11:16 GMT
#4968
On April 21 2008 16:28 MTF wrote:
Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p

I have to disagree with you on this point. Many have tried to "convincingly point the finger" at somebody else, but since they're under suspicion their finger pointing generally goes unnoticed.

If SoleSteeler knows he's town, a defense analysing the premises behind his accusation is perfectly valid. Helps us not lynch the wrong person, Saving that precious lynch for somebody else while also not killing another soldier in the fight against the swarm. Thus, defending yourself IS helpful.

Personally, pending further evidence, I believe SS has acquitted himself admirably on this count. He was accused based upon Day/Night clues... and he's shown that the connection between himself and Mr.Pink is tenuous at best.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 11:41 GMT
#4969
On April 21 2008 20:16 Alethios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2008 16:28 MTF wrote:
Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p

I have to disagree with you on this point. Many have tried to "convincingly point the finger" at somebody else, but since they're under suspicion their finger pointing generally goes unnoticed.

If SoleSteeler knows he's town, a defense analysing the premises behind his accusation is perfectly valid. Helps us not lynch the wrong person, Saving that precious lynch for somebody else while also not killing another soldier in the fight against the swarm. Thus, defending yourself IS helpful.

Personally, pending further evidence, I believe SS has acquitted himself admirably on this count. He was accused based upon Day/Night clues... and he's shown that the connection between himself and Mr.Pink is tenuous at best.


Least valuable doesn't equal completely invaluable. :p Of course defending himself accurately is valuable, for all the reasons you mentioned. I didn't imply that he shouldn't have done so, as clearing your name by pointing out glaring flaws prevents undue distraction and lets us focus on other targets. I only said it was the least valuable way of clearing your name, not completely unhelpful.

However, pointing us to a new specific target yourself is much better than simply deflecting it from yourself. :p

Defending yourself well is good.

Pointing at someone who is a weaker candidate than you is bad, hence the "convincingly", not just the pointing.

Pointing at someone who is a stronger candidate than you is very good and (as you can see from my own case) quite convincing.
Think. :)
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 21 2008 12:17 GMT
#4970
Here's my counter analysis



Day 1

I dont think there is any point arguing the Day 1 clue pointed toward Mr Pink - that sentence is rather short and too subject to variation and can be read in a number of different lights so that it applies to a number of people. Hence can be argued supporting my arguement, and solesteelers.


Day 2

With that being said lets move onto Day 2, where we start to see some interesting clues about Mr Pink.
Yogurt and OneBlueAugust were playing a game of pool in the basement minding their own business when they heard the sound resonate from the house next door. They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. They were almost to Mynocks house when four men intercepted them. Yogurt and OneBlueAugust saw them and OneBlueAugust asked them what was going on in the house. Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if one would present itself. Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.

A couple notes about this passage;
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia.
could refer back to the first day post, but it can also refer to the fact death is something that is normal to Mr Pink - because he needs it to survive (my argument)
As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.
this could very well refer to the sickie substance on the floor or perhaps it is
OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease
sidewinder throwing up on the floor - i've seen it argued both ways
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after.
A mirror of what OneBlueAugust had just done to sidewinder
Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt is quite an able fighter - an aspect which is later mirrored in Mr Pink
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter.
Obviously Mr Pink has attain this quality from Yogurt as before he just dealt a single punch - without following it up with blow after blow - but here is the kicker;
Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
OneBlueAugust is tapped of his own life energy - Mr Pink stole it



Day 3

Mr Pink was active again the next night, but with substantially less clues
Coincidentally Fishball had been looking for those darts and was turning around the corner just after it happened. He gasped in shock as he saw the corpse and immediately ran to call for help. He almost there when he saw two mafia in his way. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
While this day is 90% Mr Brown acting, there are a couple key lines for Mr Pink
quiet friend here is Mr. Pink.
Very inetering to note is that on day 1 mr pink spoke, day 2 mr pink said something - but it wasn't explicitly said and today he whispers to Mr Brown
Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
This is a rather peculiar aspect about mr Pink, the question is why would you attack someone begging for mercy in such a manner to let them die in a slow painful death. The key part here imo
they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious
Once again Mr Pink has tapped his life forces and caused him to lose consciousness


Day 6

Mr pink took two days off, then came back with avengence last night.

Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.

The first thing which struck me in this clue was
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night.
Which instantly makes me think that Mr Pink is either some kind of animal, or he feasts on humans. This is also the first time that Mr Pink has been introduced before the victim. This is followed up immediately by
They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible.
stalking being defined as
1. A hunt for game carried on by following it stealthily or waiting in ambush
2. The act of following prey stealthily
Which tie nicely in with the idea that Mr Pink is hunting for food
He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could
This is the pivotal clue in this day - the fact that BC is dying before he is even struck. Much like the other victims of Mr Pink their life force is leaving them before they die.
but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground.
Mr pink suddenly has acquired the trait of being fast - probably from leeching BC


Conclusion
Here are the options;
  • Mr Pink is some sort of animal
  • Mr Pink is some kind of superhuman
  • Or, that he is leeching the life force of his victims (most likely)

No suspects come up under the first two headings, however SoleSteeler comes up under the third and ties in nicely with all the evidence/lists that we have at our disposal.

While our links for Mr Pink are weaker than a number of other suspects, by the time it comes to SoleSteeler being lynched we should have a lot more evidence all ready to examine and judge whether this analysis holds.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Ninja4ever.
Profile Joined March 2008
France231 Posts
April 21 2008 12:18 GMT
#4971
On April 19 2008 20:25 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2008 19:43 Ninja4ever. wrote:
On April 19 2008 19:15 Camlito wrote:
Ninja, that is a pretty weak defence, as Chuiu has used 1 thing for most people (if not all) so far. Just because you have a qoute, doesn't mean it has to be used.


Yeah, it's a weak defense, but I don't think I have anything else.
Firstly you were accused of being CottonMouth - and i don't blame people, its a logical connection... but just not a ninja... Mr Blonde however fits every possible description of a ninja! No other character could brace himself on a roof and swoop down on his prey? Also Mr Blonde is strong yet fast which is the perfect ninja.


All these clues could point to G.s)Naruto.
Plus real ninja aren't strong. They're fast and don't make any noise, but strengh is a characteristic of ninjas only in naruto.

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever."
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-21 12:31:21
April 21 2008 12:22 GMT
#4972
On April 21 2008 21:18 Ninja4ever. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2008 20:25 Plexa wrote:
On April 19 2008 19:43 Ninja4ever. wrote:
On April 19 2008 19:15 Camlito wrote:
Ninja, that is a pretty weak defence, as Chuiu has used 1 thing for most people (if not all) so far. Just because you have a qoute, doesn't mean it has to be used.


Yeah, it's a weak defense, but I don't think I have anything else.
Firstly you were accused of being CottonMouth - and i don't blame people, its a logical connection... but just not a ninja... Mr Blonde however fits every possible description of a ninja! No other character could brace himself on a roof and swoop down on his prey? Also Mr Blonde is strong yet fast which is the perfect ninja.


All these clues could point to G.s)Naruto.
Plus real ninja aren't strong. They're fast and don't make any noise, but strengh is a characteristic of ninjas only in naruto.

Naruto is innocent for a fact (its quite obvious) you're mafia lol

Oh yea, wtf at ninja's not being strong? They are fucking strong -.-; they spend 7 years mastering the ability to crush a skull with one hand haha if that ain't strong tell me what is
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 21 2008 12:25 GMT
#4973
On April 21 2008 21:22 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2008 21:18 Ninja4ever. wrote:
On April 19 2008 20:25 Plexa wrote:
On April 19 2008 19:43 Ninja4ever. wrote:
On April 19 2008 19:15 Camlito wrote:
Ninja, that is a pretty weak defence, as Chuiu has used 1 thing for most people (if not all) so far. Just because you have a qoute, doesn't mean it has to be used.


Yeah, it's a weak defense, but I don't think I have anything else.
Firstly you were accused of being CottonMouth - and i don't blame people, its a logical connection... but just not a ninja... Mr Blonde however fits every possible description of a ninja! No other character could brace himself on a roof and swoop down on his prey? Also Mr Blonde is strong yet fast which is the perfect ninja.


All these clues could point to G.s)Naruto.
Plus real ninja aren't strong. They're fast and don't make any noise, but strengh is a characteristic of ninjas only in naruto.

Naruto is innocent for a fact you're mafia lol

Oh yea, wtf at ninja's not being strong? They are fucking strong -.-; they spend 7 years mastering the ability to crush a skull with one hand haha if that ain't strong tell me what is



Well I don't mind being lynched, just as Plexa said, I'm innocent.
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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-21 12:41:51
April 21 2008 12:30 GMT
#4974
On April 21 2008 21:17 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Here's my counter analysis

<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 1</font>

I dont think there is any point arguing the Day 1 clue pointed toward Mr Pink - that sentence is rather short and too subject to variation and can be read in a number of different lights so that it applies to a number of people. Hence can be argued supporting my arguement, and solesteelers.
<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 2</font>

With that being said lets move onto Day 2, where we start to see some interesting clues about Mr Pink.
Yogurt and OneBlueAugust were playing a game of pool in the basement minding their own business when they heard the sound resonate from the house next door. They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. They were almost to Mynocks house when four men intercepted them. Yogurt and OneBlueAugust saw them and OneBlueAugust asked them what was going on in the house. Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if one would present itself. Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.

A couple notes about this passage;
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia.
could refer back to the first day post, but it can also refer to the fact death is something that is normal to Mr Pink - because he needs it to survive (my argument)
As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.
this could very well refer to the sickie substance on the floor or perhaps it is
OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease
sidewinder throwing up on the floor - i've seen it argued both ways
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after.
A mirror of what OneBlueAugust had just done to sidewinder
Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt is quite an able fighter - an aspect which is later mirrored in Mr Pink
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter.
Obviously Mr Pink has attain this quality from Yogurt as before he just dealt a single punch - without following it up with blow after blow - but here is the kicker;
Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
OneBlueAugust is tapped of his own life energy - Mr Pink stole it

<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 3</font>

Mr Pink was active again the next night, but with substantially less clues
Coincidentally Fishball had been looking for those darts and was turning around the corner just after it happened. He gasped in shock as he saw the corpse and immediately ran to call for help. He almost there when he saw two mafia in his way. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
While this day is 90% Mr Brown acting, there are a couple key lines for Mr Pink
quiet friend here is Mr. Pink.
Very inetering to note is that on day 1 mr pink spoke, day 2 mr pink said something - but it wasn't explicitly said and today he whispers to Mr Brown
Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
This is a rather peculiar aspect about mr Pink, the question is why would you attack someone begging for mercy in such a manner to let them die in a slow painful death. The key part here imo
they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious
Once again Mr Pink has tapped his life forces and caused him to lose consciousness
<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 6</font>

Mr pink took two days off, then came back with avengence last night.

Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.

The first thing which struck me in this clue was
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night.
Which instantly makes me think that Mr Pink is either some kind of animal, or he feasts on humans. This is also the first time that Mr Pink has been introduced before the victim. This is followed up immediately by
They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible.
stalking being defined as
1. A hunt for game carried on by following it stealthily or waiting in ambush
2. The act of following prey stealthily
Which tie nicely in with the idea that Mr Pink is hunting for food
He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could
This is the pivotal clue in this day - the fact that BC is dying before he is even struck. Much like the other victims of Mr Pink their life force is leaving them before they die.
but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground.
Mr pink suddenly has acquired the trait of being fast - probably from leeching BC
<hr>
<font size='4'>Conclusion</font>
Here are the options;
  • Mr Pink is some sort of animal
  • Mr Pink is some kind of superhuman
  • Or, that he is leeching the life force of his victims (most likely)

No suspects come up under the first two headings, however SoleSteeler comes up under the third and ties in nicely with all the evidence/lists that we have at our disposal.

While our links for Mr Pink are weaker than a number of other suspects, by the time it comes to SoleSteeler being lynched we should have a lot more evidence all ready to examine and judge whether this analysis holds.


This is pretty good analysis, all told. I guess I just needed it more thoroughly spelled out to me. It can all very well be interpreted this way and we have no stronger suspect for Mr. Pink. I don't actually have any rebuttal to any of the points, and I didn't remember to connect newly gained traits to new victims.

Hmm.

When it comes down to it, I agree with both you and SoleSteeler in that we'll know more surely with another set of clues. Until then, I'll put stock in that SoleSteeler is a decently strong suspect, and our current strongest bet for Pink, and we should keep in him in mind when the next set of clues rolls around.


Edit: Haha, 'since I've been active over Mafia the past three days or so and from livereporting for the first time tonight, I jumped from 800 posts to 1,000+. : x

Edit #2: See bleeding foot.
Think. :)
Ninja4ever.
Profile Joined March 2008
France231 Posts
April 21 2008 12:37 GMT
#4975
Ah, didn't know naruto was innocent. ^^
Yeah, ninja practise ninjustu when they're six years old, but ninjustu doesn't develop strenght. When a ninja fights without arm (aka koppô taijutsu) he uses his ennemi's body against himself, wich doesn't require strenght.
"Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever."
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 21 2008 12:37 GMT
#4976
I really doubt nightmare is Mr Pink
  • Nightmare has nothing to do with Mr Pink at all
  • There is the supervillain Nightmare - but none of his powers/abilities match up with Mr Pink check if you want
  • Profile reads
    Pain makes one suffer.
    Suffering makes one think.
    Thinking makes one wise.
    And Wisdom makes life bearable.
    You could make a case for this i suppose, although there are some serious missing links
  • His profile pic when the game started was a southpark mexican - which doesn't correspond to mr pink at all
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 21 2008 12:40 GMT
#4977
On April 21 2008 21:37 Ninja4ever. wrote:
Ah, didn't know naruto was innocent. ^^
Yeah, ninja practise ninjustu when they're six years old, but ninjustu doesn't develop strenght. When a ninja fights without arm (aka koppô taijutsu) he uses his ennemi's body against himself, wich doesn't require strenght.
The 18 disciplines of ninjitsu are;

1. Seishin-teki kyōyō (spiritual refinement)
2. Taijutsu (unarmed combat, using one's body as the only weapon)
3. Kenjutsu (sword fighting)
4. Bōjutsu (stick and staff fighting)
5. Shurikenjutsu (throwing shuriken)
6. Sōjutsu (spear fighting)
7. Naginatajutsu (naginata fighting)
8. Kusarigamajutsu (kusarigama fighting)
9. Kayakujutsu (pyrotechnics and explosives)
10. Hensōjutsu (disguise and impersonation)
11. Shinobi-iri (stealth and entering methods)
12. Bajutsu (horsemanship)
13. Sui-ren (water training)
14. Bōryaku (military strategy)
15. Chōhō (espionage)
16. Intonjutsu (escaping and concealment)
17. Tenmon (meteorology)
18. Chi-mon (geography)

What have we seen come up?
2, 11, 16

lets see how many more pop up? although there won't be many more because you'll be lynched soon
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 12:40 GMT
#4978
On April 21 2008 21:37 Plexa wrote:
I really doubt nightmare is Mr Pink
  • Nightmare has nothing to do with Mr Pink at all
  • There is the supervillain Nightmare - but none of his powers/abilities match up with Mr Pink check if you want
  • Profile reads
    Pain makes one suffer.
    Suffering makes one think.
    Thinking makes one wise.
    And Wisdom makes life bearable.
    You could make a case for this i suppose, although there are some serious missing links
  • His profile pic when the game started was a southpark mexican - which doesn't correspond to mr pink at all


Er, I'm tired. I meant SoleSteeler, not Nightmare.

*shoots self in foot*
Think. :)
Ninja4ever.
Profile Joined March 2008
France231 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-21 12:44:30
April 21 2008 12:42 GMT
#4979
On April 21 2008 21:40 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2008 21:37 Ninja4ever. wrote:
Ah, didn't know naruto was innocent. ^^
Yeah, ninja practise ninjustu when they're six years old, but ninjustu doesn't develop strenght. When a ninja fights without arm (aka koppô taijutsu) he uses his ennemi's body against himself, wich doesn't require strenght.
The 18 disciplines of ninjitsu are;

1. Seishin-teki kyōyō (spiritual refinement)
2. Taijutsu (unarmed combat, using one's body as the only weapon)
3. Kenjutsu (sword fighting)
4. Bōjutsu (stick and staff fighting)
5. Shurikenjutsu (throwing shuriken)
6. Sōjutsu (spear fighting)
7. Naginatajutsu (naginata fighting)
8. Kusarigamajutsu (kusarigama fighting)
9. Kayakujutsu (pyrotechnics and explosives)
10. Hensōjutsu (disguise and impersonation)
11. Shinobi-iri (stealth and entering methods)
12. Bajutsu (horsemanship)
13. Sui-ren (water training)
14. Bōryaku (military strategy)
15. Chōhō (espionage)
16. Intonjutsu (escaping and concealment)
17. Tenmon (meteorology)
18. Chi-mon (geography)

What have we seen come up?
2, 11, 16

lets see how many more pop up? although there won't be many more because you'll be lynched soon


Ok, lynch me then, I don't care about the game that much, but you'll lose a lynch for nothing.
"Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever."
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 21 2008 12:47 GMT
#4980
Bottom line is, if you're in the firing line the only way to get out is to argue it based on the clue analysis like solesteeler
he's been bumped down the list because of that (atleast in my eyes) which has got him some more time to get clues

that being said we need to lynch L and ulszz tomorrow
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