I think it's because the bodyguard plan doesn't really do much. Either the bodyguards know who the other bodyguards are, thereby they will not lynch each other. But thats the best. What he means (well what I take him to mean) is that a mafia mayor will not lose any of the powers of being mayor regardless of the bodyguard plan. That is a mafia for mayor will still follow the plan and it would not really hurt him.

Edit: The plan only works if the (mafia) mayor does something stupid and try to mess with the list.
Edit: added (mafia)

randombum

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March 18 2008 18:24 GMT

#561

Ace the bodyguard plan is not faulty, but merely that even if implemented its not that great. True that is 7 people who are working together, but 10(mayorx4) will not be able to change much with 130 people voting. It is FAR more important for information to be shared with everybody. (not who are bodyguards but other information.) The mafia or pardoner's position should be the mouthpieces of the town. Detectives (don't have to reveal their detective status) can send information to mayor. The mayor repeats it to the town. Thereby giving the town the ability hear all the information from everyone, but keeping those people anonymous. So the more involved people do not have to share their opinions publicly. This keeps our active people alive, but they ideas are still shared.

randombum

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March 18 2008 18:28 GMT

#563

On March 19 2008 03:23 Ghar wrote:

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No, that's not it. Having detectives means I can verify vigilantes and jacks. Having detectives work together means efficient effort, each can ask Chuiu different questions about clues, check up on multiple lynch votes. Having vigilantes means they won't strike blindly, but with Detective aid.

In the worse scenario, this applies to everyone, not just me. Because all the detectives will have investigated me. If I'm mafia, only one steps out and accuses me. If I'm the real deal, they are confirmed by their investigation, and then come to me. The detectives are not at risk.

Your way still involves the detective's using 1/2 of their best ability on you. They ARE at risk because a mafia can easily say hes a DT and that you are not mafia. Then for him to be stopped the real DTs have to say hold on WE are the DTs not him he must be mafia. Now the fake dt/mafia is exposed and lynched soon, but the Dts, get murdered and the town has ultimately lost. Also having detectives to verify jacks/vigilantes is not as good as having detectives try to find mafia.

randombum

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March 18 2008 18:29 GMT

#564

It was my plan first.
Edit top of page 16 not 19 >.<

randombum

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March 18 2008 18:45 GMT

#577

Your right of course, the bodyguard plan is the best at the moment (I agreed with this earlier). Also I would argue role claiming is a HORRIBLE idea. Its the quickest way to get the important roles killed. Unless its to the mayor which is my plan anyways. You are right Mayor will obviously be believed if the town trusts his worth (which they should eventually that or lynch him). BUT if the bodyguards vote in conjunction with the mayor they will quickly be murdered then the mayor can be murdered. The mayor could sway the votes, but for it to work they would have to have information not just his own+ his bodyguards opinions. Dunno, it seems like many of us share similar ideas, its just who the town likes more.

randombum

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March 18 2008 18:49 GMT

#581

On March 19 2008 03:44 qrs wrote:

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Let's discuss what we have now. Like I said, who becomes mayor is less important than what he does. Ace, do you (or anyone else) disagree with me that the best thing to do with the bodyguards is reveal one and let him find out everyone's role?

Thats perfect. Bodyguard plan-> known innocent-> information sharing (most important)-> coordinated effort. HOWEVER, I don't think we need to sacrifice a bodyguard. The information could be sent to the mayor on Day 2 instead who will then become the town leader. Why do you think we should risk a bodyguard for something the mayor can do?

randombum

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March 19 2008 02:41 GMT

#889

This round dectective's have a new skill which does exactly that. (ask chuiu for his position)

randombum

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March 19 2008 03:23 GMT

#913

On March 19 2008 12:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I believe Caller to be mafia...Due to his signature.

"Bread, apples, very small rocks, cider, horses, sherry, mud, churches, lead"

Full of lead anyone?

Clue may not be strong, but I'm looking for some sort of connection, and it is Day 1, we need someone to lynch...

We don't lynch anybody as a town the first day. The elected mayor gets to lynch somebody.

randombum

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March 19 2008 03:35 GMT

#924

On March 19 2008 12:28 unsoundlogic wrote:
If you think about it from the mafia POV, they tie up the saboteur on empyrean every time. With 3 other detectives, you can still find out who voted for the major lynch candidates (2-3), and maybe even have room to target specific people. That, and vigilantes and other powerful townies are free to rape.
Empyrean can be verified once as mafia or not, and he can give public information gathered by other dts and PMed to him, without revealing the identities of the other dts. If he is mayor or pardoner, he is protected and can still post what other dts send him. He'd become kind of a public announcer person that can give data that townies normally wouldnt get w/o a dt.
As long as empyrean gets a protected role and is dt, then we get a huge advantage.

This is assuming empyrean is telling the truth. That is impossible to tell atm. (Well if chuiu goes nuts and say he is but...) Either way, vigilantes and other powerful townies are as free to rape as they want. Furthermore, gathering information is pretty much the basis of me and ghar's platforms. I do not see how him being a DT as mayor would help us anymore than being a DT but unannounced. Again, there being no way of verifying his spot. (without the 4 REAL dts saying they are dts which would hurt more or as much as a mafia mayor).

Ultimately, we either vote empyrean and he has told the truth. Good.
Or, we just ignore him as this could easily be a mafian ploy to get mayor. The only way he could be found to be false is to give up some real detectives. Bad.
And yes, the mafia POV is they tie up empyrean every turn (until they figure out another position). But this costs the town 1 role where before the mafia would have had to guess what townies had what.

Edit: wow like 4 people beat me while writing this.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 19 2008 03:41 GMT

#927

I think that's a good interpretation I highly doubt that wolves are a red herring and is an actual clue. Therefore I too believe CTStalker is a likely mafia.

Edit: clarity.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 19 2008 03:49 GMT

#933

Last game there was sufficient evidence for dr.dragoon. Still the town was wrong.

That said, I think all opinions and suspicions should be stated in this thread. (Important suspicions due to roles should be sent to someone who cant be murdered once they are proven clean. but there are no abilities used yet anyways.) The reason for stating suspicions publicly is that people cannot suddenly vote to tip the balance (mafia like). They will have a background of saying "I think it might be him". Also while you should not say let's all vote for him until you get good evidence saying it might be him may help the town to reason out clues.

randombum

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March 19 2008 03:58 GMT

#941

On March 19 2008 12:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:

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Regardless whether its a bad idea, SOMEONE must be lynched. If someone who is lynched has a clue that MIGHT point to them, then that is better than lynching some random townie.

Not always... using clues the first game hurt town quite a bit. But we'll see, the mayor will likely have to do it randomly. (minus his bodyguards of course. Can he lynch the pardoner?)

Edit: bolded a question I wanted read.

randombum

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March 19 2008 04:04 GMT

#946

Ace, I'm sort of curios as to what method you would use to lynch someone when you are (likely) elected mayor. I don't think it will change your election. Unless you say you are going to kill one of your voters, but unlikely. If its something that can't be shared yet then don't obviously.

randombum

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March 19 2008 04:08 GMT

#951

Does it involve a random number generator ace? That will quickly get you lynched or lose your votes.

randombum

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March 19 2008 04:10 GMT

#955

Lol ok then

randombum

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March 19 2008 19:38 GMT

#1073

On March 20 2008 04:10 nemY wrote:
So I see we're on the road to killing Empyrean. Karma is a bitch... so is band wagoning lololol.

You are assuming that empy is telling the truth. That assumption could cost the town a crap load if he isn't. The only way to prove he isn't mafia is if the real detectives step forward and say HEY we are detectives and he is lying. Either way its hurting the town.

randombum

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March 20 2008 03:06 GMT

#1217

Is ace on? Will he be able to give his speech and secret project he's been hinting at?

randombum

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March 20 2008 03:20 GMT

#1225

Edit read previous post.

That would rock.

randombum

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