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While we have our disagreements in games you have always been fun to play and chat with. | ||
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Well gotta get shit done friday evening i guess. | ||
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On June 06 2024 11:09 iamperfection wrote: obs me plz You should play though, youre as active in obs as in game. Also super good playerbase in this game! Same goes for Jealous, switch to play! | ||
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On June 07 2024 07:20 rsoultin wrote: Haha, you don't have a 3-month old! I'm not even sure my brain works anymore. I guess we'll see. On the sort of bright side I'll technically be awake during deadline despite the inconvenient time since I've got the night shift with the little one...but maybe not available if she decides 4am is time for food xD Yeah i dont, although we have a 1500sqm yard that needs to be taken care of first time in years i guess. And this is the only weekend possible before my vacation in July. | ||
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Mason me pls! | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:35 rsoultin wrote: I like where your head's at Viva. Living your best life. The argument on Scott? | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:18 AlphaZero wrote: Exactly so. is it really an honest question when he knows the answer. Very curious. Thats actually a very good point. | ||
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Do you get Alpha's argument? | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town Thats entitely untrue based on last game. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:57 scott31337 wrote: I think it's helping to drive discussion. I kind of get it, but, it really was a question for someone more experienced to give a point of view of how it helps. That's all I was looking for. I liked what you said and it made sense. I thought Alphazero was doing the red flags to call me scummy at first. But what you said you think is not what i said? | ||
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On June 07 2024 11:18 scott31337 wrote: Masons are town flavored because they usually confirm people. These are more like neighbor roles that the OP discusses. You said you wanted an opinion, and said i gave the answer youre looking for. But this is definitely NOT what i said. | ||
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Whats that about then, if your opinion is basically the opposite? | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:17 scott31337 wrote: I have a few more minutes before I call it a night. Has anything else stuck out at you? Trfel is weird, idk what that means. Oats didnt nitpick on you, which iwould expect him to do as town. | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:24 Trfel wrote: Why was I weird? You were "happier" than usual, and started by joking for pages instead of going super serious (in contrary to even games where you said beforw game youre not gonna be auper serious..) Also somehow i have considered you and rsoultin kinda like "best buddies" from my memory like 8 years ago and it was bugging me you didnt have any conversation with her, until she made imo a good conclusion of you needing to do more to gain trust or smth (points to her for that). I was about to make a post about it already but i wanted to have this scott rhing unfolded first and then that other thing unfolded itself kind of  | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:32 AlphaZero wrote: It’s pretty enjoyable to be called alpha. Also accurate. 😉 I am sorry Zero i will not make that mistake again ^^ | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:48 rsoultin wrote: Truffle thinking this is about arguments. Well I was kinda hoping for a rayn follow-up but tbf you were concentrating on more important things so I'll just pout a little in the corner instead. Rayn, I am very, very happy that your 'Truffle is having fun' wasn't a townread. That's how I initially read it and I was like...hmm. The calling people stupid thing was also not greeeat but idk as part of a joke it's not as weird for a truffle. Regarding the oats thing, I kinda get what Viva's putting down as an early read. It's very derpy derpy fuck you which feels nice and relaxed to me. I'm not quite sure why it's significant to you, though? The jump on the not reading the OP comment felt...ick. Very low-hanging fruit. What's the mafia motivation for just declaring you're not reading it? This, Trfel, is why i gave town points for rsoultin. It would be very easy read for mafia to make (even on a partner), just because "happy to play = town", which ofc is bullshit. Now based on MY view of your "relationship with rsoultin in mafia games", she might have even made that read as mafia. | ||
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Do you still think your case on scott is legit? | ||
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On June 07 2024 14:04 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm so curious but I don't think there's a chance in hell I'll be able to tell. Who likes to be called 'Alpha'? Palmar. But its not Palmar. | ||
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On June 07 2024 14:09 Trfel wrote: I think the whisperer mechanic favors skill most of all. It can be powerful or negligible for either alignment, honestly it just depends on how effectively it is used. It's possibly a little easier for town to get value from it, though. Has it been confirmed that AlphaZero is indeed a smurf? Or is our community so dead that we can't possibly have just gotten a new player? He's definitely skilled in mafia. | ||
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On June 07 2024 14:13 Trfel wrote: Oh sure but aren't there plenty of mafia forums? That's true. Most of them (all of them) don't share our playing culture though (going RVS and shit instead). Talk to me (and rsoultin) more about Vivax and Oats. I think Vivax' opener on scott was pretty basic vivax. Oats i have given my impression so far. I have somewhat hard time understanding where you actually stand on them because you disliked Vivax based on what was basically a case on Oats. :D | ||
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]I guess I'm not used to raynpelikoneet being this insightful?/QUOTE] what exactly do you mean? | ||
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I agree with your non-conclusion of Vivax (lol). | ||
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On June 07 2024 14:41 Trfel wrote: Also sorry for some reason I thought I was talking to rsoultin but that was actually raynpelikoneet. Sorry for the weird third person, not trying to ignore you >< Okay that makes sense. | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:01 Trfel wrote: You think so? I actually think he meant it. Why? | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote: Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much. I think you're trying to justify why Oats is town based on why he would be mafia. But okay, how do you think this is different from the last game? | ||
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Semi-open setup + whisperer. What is there to read in the OP / rules? If it is not a joke, why does he post that in the first place because he already knows the rules.... | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:17 Trfel wrote: Last game, Oatsmaster at least had a direction. Like at the start, before he got too focused on the MS Paint timestamps, he at least had an argument and was trying to get it across. Here, he's literally just being present (but uninvolved) and suspicious. It's completely different imo? yes i agree with this. i dont necessarily agree it makes him town. | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:39 AlphaZero wrote: What does it mean that he was weird earlier though? I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play. I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other' I think i explained that in a post towards him or rsoultin. I just went through the last couple of pages, and i agree you may have a point. Like Trfel is defending Oats (and not talking about Vivax), when i asked him (and rsoul) about both of them. I mean if he so strongly feels Oats is not acting in a scummy way, why not change the discussion to Vivax with like "hey rayn i think Oats might be town, can we talk about Vivax instead" or something. | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: You were "happier" than usual, and started by joking for pages instead of going super serious (in contrary to even games where you said beforw game youre not gonna be auper serious..) Also somehow i have considered you and rsoultin kinda like "best buddies" from my memory like 8 years ago and it was bugging me you didnt have any conversation with her, until she made imo a good conclusion of you needing to do more to gain trust or smth (points to her for that). I was about to make a post about it already but i wanted to have this scott rhing unfolded first and then that other thing unfolded itself kind of this was about Trfel being weird imo. | ||
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On June 07 2024 15:47 AlphaZero wrote: I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird. To me, this is a protracted version of the same read. I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel. yes, agreed. I think i know who you are. | ||
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Might be a while when i am back. | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:17 marvellosity wrote: Let’s be honest, it would be a downright blunder for maf-rsoultin to have done that. If i am completely honest last two times i have seen her as mafia was a complete blunder | ||
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Thinking HF. | ||
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Didnt read kelsier/mocsta yet, will address that later when i am done with yard work for today. | ||
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On June 08 2024 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Also, are we not claiming who is whispered with who? We should. There is no reason not to especilly without mayoral election. | ||
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On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote: Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so This is a bit of mischaracterisation imo. Giventhe time she was here. | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote: Can we lynch sandy? Interested in hearung more aboytthis. | ||
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Best read so dar. | ||
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Idk if i should be worried about that marv read on her, but it definitely raises my eebrows. | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:50 rsoultin wrote: dude you're making me so paranoid rn rayn i hate how you've buddied me before and now i can't trust you -_- but does this mean you'll vote sandy with me? You didnt get the memo from past 8 or so years. I am a nice cuddly buddybutt now <3 unless its palmar. I dont think that looks as bad for sandroba as you do, more of your stuff looking good for you instead. | ||
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On June 08 2024 02:53 rsoultin wrote: eerrrr okay, okay why does that make marv scum? cause i liked the sandy poke and the laidback little bullshit in between but i'll be the first to admit i don't remember ever seeing a marv trying to play mafia (people tell me he's good when he tries) so i have no idea if that's in his range tonally i like him tho I liked the sandy poke aswell. I dont like the read one you. One good thing doesnt make town, one bad thing might make scum. Marv usually does not say bad things (being erong is different than bad). | ||
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On June 08 2024 01:13 marvellosity wrote: Rsoultin’s filter is full of a lot of nothing, having just given it a quick read. Don’t see much of an original thought about anything, but plenty of words to say so I mean i really really hate this post. | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:05 rsoultin wrote: it's certainly either disingenuous or derpy. i was leaning toward derpy though Yeah thing is marv is not derpy | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote: I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean what are you talking about regarding me? | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:14 Kelsi3r wrote: Do i need to read anything? can you tell who is mafia? if not, then maybe reading is a good talent toi have. | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote: You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that. Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town. | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:25 Trfel wrote: Is rsoultin a drug we're taking or something? I didn't understand or get much from the Kelsi3r/Mocsta argument, but ignoring that, I think Kelsi3r looks really really suspicious here. I wanted to talk with her because she is my top town read atm. I will look into Kelsier (and Mocsta) now. | ||
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I have to read Mocsta's shit aswell, but then there is the stuff between them. Idk how any of this is relevant at all, it's just some random shit throwing for no reason, NAI. Kelsier's last post is a bit suspect to me though. Game is on, he has been playing, of course he should read the game, what the fuck is that kind of question in the first place, or why ever should a townie post that? | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote: The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out? she does that as mafia, you are right. this however does not look like that. | ||
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On June 08 2024 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: she does that as mafia, you are right. this however does not look like that. the games i base my opinion on, are not in the database, while they should be that hurricane (or something) mafia, and the one game 2015 (or 2014?) on valentines day where i afks for 24 hrs and got lynched after i had scumlist of 8 ppl and 6 of them were mafia and one SK. | ||
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Not the hurricane one. | ||
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One of his something's however is a shit read on rsoultin. marv, elaborate on that? | ||
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Not sure if to townread them for their posts so far. | ||
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July, Finland or mafia? | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:20 Alakaslam wrote: Wtf what changed between wanting Rayn to lynch Sandroba with you to this? I don't see any argumentation or significant post from Sandroba to warrant such a change? What do mine eyes not see? where do i want to lynch sandroba? | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:21 Trfel wrote: I wouldn't townread them. But I don't have any real reason to suspect them, either. and Oats? | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:24 Trfel wrote: No clue. Oatsmaster always confuses me. There are two reasons to lynch Kelsi3r though. You disagreed with the first one, whatever, but how about how he only has four town lean ish things and no suspects and has been around but hasn't worked to change that? No worries i was just asking stuff to see if you would change your opinion on something that hasnt changed, as not much is happening here. Having four town reads is not bad, i have less tbh. I dont have a REAL suspect tbh, atm i dont need to have... Is it scummy for him? I dont know. Has he been trying to push a lynch (implying he has a strong suspect)? Does he have to do something? I dont know. I dont really find it alignment indicative. It might be alignment indicative though, that he had no idea what's going on and when i told him to read, he apparentyl read your big post in like 5 minutes. | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: Is it hard to get to Helsinki from Warsaw? Ehhhhh this should be in discord actually lol will hyu after Shouldnt be, yes we can discuss this in discord, gotta get some shit prepared before, so in a week or so. | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:35 Vivax wrote: Marv town btw explain please. | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:37 Vivax wrote: I see a genuine effort and I like where his head is at. You don‘t ? No. I have made it clear. | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:36 Trfel wrote: I guess I don't really feel like arguing about this but I'm confused, I think the points against Kelsi3r are obvious ans strong and I'm confused why you (and a lot of others) don't agree. It's totally understandable for people to not have strong suspects, but that only is okay if they (1) are looking for suspects or (2) aren't trying at all. Kelsi3r falls into neither category. He's been present and active enough that he's clearly trying, but he has been very content to not have any suspects and hasn't shown any desire to change that. And his one post probably about 30 minutes ago doesn't change that because these points were valid a while before that post. Plus his post isn't very compelling. yeah i agree. | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote: + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I think vivax is easily mafia here though, he’s playing super scared to make posts and has resorted to posting inane townreads probably first good post from you, keep up! | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read i just agreed with you on your read on him, i am not 100% sure it makes him mafia, but yeah, there is a decent chance youre right. What's your read on marv? | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read this is a townie post imo. | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Unfortunately this is the last post I’m gonna make for a while Sandro looks fine marv is eh I would like kelsier to make a scum read and I’d like trfel and mocsta to make readable posts please I think it's likely trfel and mocsta are town, more trfel than mocsta though. I agree with other stuff, but marv is "more than eh". | ||
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fuck it i actually think Oats is town here. | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:35 scott31337 wrote: But I'm not fully won over on Oats. Rayn and Sandroba are like "ta da Let's call Oats town" - uggg yeah we figured out Oats is town in scum QT. | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:41 sandroba wrote: Not calling oats town btw, after the last game I learned to reject all my oats inclinations. I said I like him and what he is saying. Do you think rsoultin is town or mafia? Why? | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today wait how do you get town vibes from Kelsier in his Mocsta interaction? | ||
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On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie I agree its kind of shitty to say sandroba is only focused on scott and then only focus on sandroba. I don't think that makes her mafia, since she is one of the most thick headed people i know aside from myself lol. But anyways, i dont really see why you should not focus on scott if you feel like it, scott overall doesnt look that dandy at all. I disagree with kelsier. or rather i agree with the argument with him and mocsta on what you said. but after that kelsier did jack shit. i mean, i asked him to read when he didnt know what to do. This is what he did: On June 08 2024 03:59 Kelsi3r wrote: fuck man thats a good ass meme I will try and read On June 08 2024 04:00 Kelsi3r wrote: cant hate the amount of effort you put into this One minute apart in these posts. Did he actually even read Trfel's post? | ||
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Not really interested in reading what i have missed suringtve night based on latest games. | ||
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I don't care about other stuff you have posted. I called rsoultin's filter full of nothing at the time that it was a filter most full of nothing imo. I think it's a dissonance that's unlike from you. Then you called my vote gross. I think that's unlike from you as well, since you should understand why i made the decision for my vote if youre town. Then you called rsoultin's read on me good. Which is a bullshit read. Even if i was mafia it's a bullshit read, because last time i have played with rsoultin was over 7 years ago and i have -- as a player -- evolved from that state. Sure, i even found her read on sandroba at the time really bad, maybe 7 years ago i would have suspected her for it, nowadays i don't. Because i don't think it means shit for her alignment. I believe you should, as town, know all these things about me, and the initial read on rsoultin just is -- as she said -- derpy, and you're not derpy. Being wrong is one thing but that was definitely derpy at best. | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about other stuff you have posted. YOU called rsoultin's filter full of nothing at the time that it was a filter most full of nothing imo. I think it's a dissonance that's unlike from you. | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:39 marvellosity wrote: I’m not psychic, rayn. What was the reason? And am I supposed to know the ins and outs of your history with rsoultin? I don’t understand what you’re getting at. That seems so long ago, I don’t remember what rsoultin said but I assume it made some sense to me at the time. Whatever it was, did I try to use that against you? I did not. As you know I’m not going to try read you through anyone else other than myself because I don’t trust anyone more than myself to do so. Save us both some time, flick through my (large) filter, and reach the correct conclusion. First of all, do you think i am mafia or not? You sure gave that impression when i read the pages i did. | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:47 marvellosity wrote: This is why you need to read my filter, friend. Does your filter fill me in with the fact that Kelsier is dead and not scott, since that's my concern? I mean you two are imo the most likely people to get your message through to other people in this game. Are you not concerned why it was not enough? | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:47 marvellosity wrote: This is why you need to read my filter, friend. From your end, can you tell me how you even tried to do that? If that's what you're implying. Because you really seem to be talking a whole lot of what is not about scott and nothing that is about scott. | ||
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On June 10 2024 01:49 marvellosity wrote: It’s much better if you read my progression because you’ll understand it, but a couple of things to help you along the way Trfel’s doubts on Scott Scott was around at lynch and kelsier wasn’t and it’s difficult to hard push someone on d1 who at least seems to be trying vs someone who just peaced out but you were seemingly pushing, or "casting doubt" on other people instead of focusing the lynch? | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:04 Vivax wrote: I hate this mindset. First of all you voted Kelsier and sneakily at that and second you‘re complaining that someone didn‘t do enough to get the person lynched that wasn‘t even your own favourite choice. What is this? This has nothing to do what i did. I know why i did what i did. I am simply just asking marv, why he thinks people who are most likely getting their message across didnt get it across. If you dont get that, i cant help you get that better, sorry. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn why did you ask to be masonry day 1? Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me. If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote: I certainly didn’t expect rayn to come at marv with this much activity. This game would be such an outlier from his previous mafia game. It’s possible Marv is mafia and is faking a level of engagement and enjoyment not seen previously. It would be great to see him on that level again honestly. But it’s not the first conclusion I would make on this game state without even reading the whole thread. And the reasons for calling Marv mafia are just so underwhelming. If i look at marv's filter as a whole it doent give me mafia. I also did that when he was mafia, and it didnt give me mafia. However there were acouple of little nuances that DID give me mafia at that time, i chose to ignore them because rest of his filter was fine. This time i wont ignore them unless thay arecleared in some way, which they arent. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:37 marvellosity wrote: Koshi is mafia If he is mafia he is mafia just because he has a townread on me, from all the people in the game i would not expect him to have one. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:40 AlphaZero wrote: I do t think you are lying about your time constraints. I do think you couldn’t help yourself to play more so if you are town than as mafia. I do think it’s odd that you asked to mason when you didn’t have time to do anything with it. Makes me think asking was performative. fair, from your end, whoever you are. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:42 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn what do you mean I’m not as townie as I look? What is the foundation of that thought? You are clearly capable of making very well thought-out posts and being very reasonable. That makes you townread for most of the people. I am not sure if that's the whole story. I mean if i only read your posts yeah, you're the towniest person in the game hands down, because your posts are rational, well thought out, and they make sense. I don't always consider those townie traits, especially how the D1 ended. If i am fully clear, if you and marvellosity both are town and wanted to lynch scott, i fail to see how you failed in that. Take that as you want, but my opinion is that prolly at least one of you is mafia and you really didnt go "all in" with the lynch, as an active around townie should, if they felt strongly about it. Now marv has already countered my argument with "look at my filter" -> i did, it didnt look like he actually argued about scutt lynch -> then he said basically the same after.. So like my initial argument is wrong? When he debunked it himself???? I have yet to see what you did. Didn't get that far already. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:51 Alakaslam wrote: If rayn is mafia then, well, inactivity makes sense. this is a really bad argument you know, and you should know better than this | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:54 marvellosity wrote: Evidence for this? Literally my only reasoning for calling you town was that rayn did. Explain yourself?! yes please, slam. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:56 AlphaZero wrote: Well I find that odd as well to be honest. But basically there are the following reasons. 1.) trfel and rso both hard defended Scott all of day one and they both had some level of thread control together. More so than myself and Marv even. 2.) there were a lot of afk players. 3.) at least for me, this was supposed to be an account for low effort playing the game because I also have time constraints. Not lynching Scott has been so frustrating that it has single handily caused me to try much harder than I planned too. If you haven’t read my posts from that time why can you draw the conclusion about the fact I didn’t lynch my prime suspect? It’s completely backwards. I guess it can be seen as backwards. I just do what i do and post what i post, if you have a problem with it call me mafia. That's what i get though from D1 outcome. | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:58 Alakaslam wrote: When you were mad that I was so absent this game (rightfully so) you didn't immediately disregard or call me likely mafia. Given I was unaware Rayn had started calling me town thus far (I had and have not read pages 21-68 and it has been patchy since then) it looked worse too. Now I am pretty certain you are town so do you think marv is town because he agreed with my read and i am mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:05 Alakaslam wrote: Oh you do think marv is mafia. He may easily have svengali me with these last few pages, rayn, enlighten me you might be better to answer to marv instead of me. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:06 Alakaslam wrote: I said that if you were mafia, your inactivity would make sense. see this is one thing i hate about these games. i am NEVER inactive just because... i have played over 200 games i think, and ONCE i have intentionally afk'd for any time i consider could be used for playing. Why do people still think, especially for me, that inactivity is an alignment factor? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:16 marvellosity wrote: He’s also ignored me twice with he same question I asked him. But is being obtuse a mafia trait? See: kelsier During the night it definitely could be. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:19 scott31337 wrote: Alpha you will get your case before end of night I don't need to give you any more ammo/info on your NK I'm 95% sure who you are going to anyway the only reason you would do that is if you think youre gonna get nk'd, which i think youre not. there is simply no reason not to share, there are definitely smart enough people to figure it out even if you were, so what's the harm? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:41 Trfel wrote: Have to say, watching raynpelikoneet and marvellosity argue was kinda funny (at least for a bit, then it got boring fast, but oh well). I do find it weird that raynpelikoneet is coming in swinging with full confidence having not read over half of the game? Sure, lots of the parts he didn't read were repetitive and boring, but how is he to know that? Which parts of what i said confuse you, or are unclear? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:44 AlphaZero wrote: Just so we are clear for people like trfel and Marv. When invited to give any reason at all for his biggest scum read of the game Scott didn’t answer and said some bs about the nk that makes no sense. Then left the thread. He did this because there is no genuine thought process behind his reads. So he couldnt answer and deflected instead. This is not a bad argument or lynch bait thing. This is something that comes from mafia. aside from scott, do you think this has an impact for other people? because youre prolly gonna get shot if youre right. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:45 marvellosity wrote: ??? I’ve called him mafia very explicitly. Does every post need to be worded exactly the same? yes i think mafia should be spelled mafia or scum | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote: If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead. The question is. Should I get lynched this game? why do you town read me? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i think mafia should be spelled mafia or scum there is also this podcast that enhances my opinion, you know... | ||
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It's not a big thing. Just a small thing. I wouldnt go further unless you did. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:49 Koshi wrote: I forget these things. But it started with the rsoultin read and then you made posts pushing the game forward. I could reread your filter to be more precise but I am suddenly enjoying this pressure from marv. So I wont. First time he calls me mafia after I go ham on him early game. I am happy he is wrong. Now I have to do wishful thinking and hope he is town and not active mafia. Which is so unlikely atm. Is he wrong or mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:49 AlphaZero wrote: I Think you need to unravel the day one Lynch if you are town and I die. There was a very strange resistance to Scot’s lynch which felt like mafia agenda at work. Could be koshi, could be oats, trfel I’m not sure his play is soo sooo different this game. He is really active but not really scumhunting imo. Not an easy game. I dont think Oats is mafia. Trfel, maybe? But no? Trfel is making posts why i could be mafia, i dont think he could fake that as well as he is posting about me, if he was mafia. I think it's healthy suspicion tbh, one that he would not go into as mafia. rsoultin (koshi)... idk tbh, rsoultin looked really townie, koshi does not at all. possible? You can see now, how my opinion of the D1 events turned immediately into you and marv? I still don't know if i am right, or not, but like... it is weird as fuck to me that scott didn't get lynched. If he is mafia, then someone surely did something. If he is town, then idk why any of this matters. Currently i am on board with you of him being mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote: Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo. I had this thought already tbh. Not that it matters, but it gives me a pause and every time i actually talk with him he looks like he is not withholding anything or being obtuse. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:57 AlphaZero wrote: It could be as simple as the people with the thread control were hard defending him, they happened to be town and then mafia didn’t need to do any work. who defended Kelsier? Also who were inactive other than me? | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:57 Koshi wrote: If Vivax protects dmb. Rayn protects slam. It has to be scott (I dont think so), tfrel (I really dont think so) or Oats (didnt pay attention to). So maybe I should read Oats but I was so wrong on him last time. It makes no sense for me to do it. i dont think i am "protecting" slam anymore. I can see where he is coming from but that is quite unlike slam posting imo... | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:59 Trfel wrote: @Raynpelikoneet, I think without reading that portion of the thread, especially the last 10 pages before the deadline, it's tough to understand. So many people weren't present that nothing was going to happen. I wouldn't attribute it to AlphaZero and marvellosity at all, there's simply no convincing someone who isn't there to hear you. yes i am over that shit already. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:01 AlphaZero wrote: Defended Scott. Around deadline it didn’t seem like anyone was around except Mocsta marv and rso from memory. Mocsta swapped. Two defended Scott all day with trfel. Vivax equivocated. okay | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:07 marvellosity wrote: They really aren’t though. I don’t understand how you can (or could) think my (multiple) attacks on Mocsta would be bussing? How pointless would that be from me? I think he is not scumreading you anymore? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:07 Vivax wrote: Ok Trfel might be mafia that post was terrible because of the stuff on you or DMB? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:09 marvellosity wrote: Irrelevant? It’s the fact that’s how he interpreted it in the first place Are you just getting annoyed at him or do you want to explain this further? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:10 Koshi wrote: Because I see them as "attacks". I thought Mocsta didn't answer them good enough for you to switch on him. But you did. Which was odd. Same with Sandroba. That weird answer your own question into hardtownreading him seemed way too hasty and lazy. On top of that you were the first or second vote on a scott who I townread. Reasons are legit. ugh... now you are making me iffy on marv again. is this on purpose? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:11 Vivax wrote: Mostly because I have the high expectation that he should be able to correctly read me. Definitely some omgus. But also because he comes across as detached here. He hasn't townread me either, which i would think he could be able to at this point, regradless of my absence. What do you mean by detached? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:13 marvellosity wrote: Funny, because this post makes me iffier on you. What fun! super iffy buddies! <3 | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:13 Vivax wrote: The catch me if you can vibe is strong trfel? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:13 AlphaZero wrote: At least the last point is useless. What convinced you here? the first part. because if koshi is being legit it's literally why i think/thought marv could be mafia. if he is not legit, he's prolly using my shit to make his case. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:14 Vivax wrote: Of course Trfel. He just drew my ire maybe it's a legit point. you still think DMB is town? | ||
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Let's consider rayn, marv, AZ and Koshi are town. Who is mafia? Do we agree on scott or not? Who else? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:29 AlphaZero wrote: Anyone think Sandro busses Scott and then goes afk. Not exactly winning play no | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Okay what if scott is town? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:34 marvellosity wrote: Rayn, sorry if I missed it, what do you think about slam now? not sure. gonna get back at you about it in 30mins | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:34 marvellosity wrote: Rayn, sorry if I missed it, what do you think about slam now? I know if this sounds stupid, but for this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=22#435 , i think Slam sounded town. I am not sure if i can explain it better, i can try if you want me to, but most likely it's not gonna be much of use. During N1 however he is being pretty sharp, which is not like Slam's MO in any case. I do not judge him on what he says, but how he says it. Idk how he seems to be waffling around me/you being mafia (while not saying so). It bothers me. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:50 die_meatbaby wrote: now that i know that the nazi politicians won the election today i need the pills urgently or whatever takes me to another universe come to finland! | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:55 marvellosity wrote: I do understand what Koshi is saying about Scott tbh you definitely do, as you think he is town atm anyways. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:59 die_meatbaby wrote: koshi making good town impression btw why? | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote: I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level. i dont. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap is he falling or mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:10 Koshi wrote: Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment. Vivax D1 8 pge filter is pretty good indication he is town though. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:21 Trfel wrote: If Vivax is down on town's capabilities or chances, that's fine. In fact, that would make sense. See how AlphaZero and marvellosity were so frustrated after scott31337 didn't get lynched? They've only recently stopped complaining about it! . I am gonna disagree with you here because i 100% disagree with marv's and AZ's efforts here... | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m assuming you still think marv is scum so you have 4 non hard townreads, none of which make sense together come on man, he is not unreasonable... | ||
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It is not unreasonable for him to think scott is town, just because (you?) dont agree. Like fuck, i dont agree with him but his town case is not unreasonable. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi mafia because he has too many townreads, is that simple enough for you? Oh okay, ididnt understand that, i was sure you were referring to his reads... | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:29 Vivax wrote: My list of people I could lynch into is Scott - But he should be able to catch a breath and do his thing for a while. Az - There‘s something off with him. Post timing, involvement, tone. Everything. It just doesn‘t feel like he has town‘s best interests at heart. Mocsta - Heavy heartedly. I think he could be scum. I didn‘t like how quickly he wanted scott on the table after the flip. I think he had a rush of sorts as usual for mafia around flip. Oats - He‘s somehow connected to AZ and I just can‘t deal with what appear to be his opinions. On the other hand he annoys me so much that it might be intentional so it‘s more of a fu-read than a scumread. I disagree with the two last as for now at least, I think scott has not shown townie behavior during N1, maybe he will come with a big post that clears him at the EoN. AZ i agree you with. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would town!koshi instantly townread 80% of the game idk, ask him. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:34 Vivax wrote: Excuse me but how does that post cost me town points ? | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:35 scott31337 wrote: It would be eight right since Keisler's dead? i just put up a number. how's your AZ case coming together? There are people who would buy into that you know`? | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:47 Trfel wrote: I'm just not sure if you are mafia? No real opinion yet tbh. Should I have a more solid opinion? maybe, i'd like to think you would. | ||
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On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote: Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? is this enough? | ||
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for DMB, you asked why you should read Vivax as town, but you did. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:56 marvellosity wrote: Eh? You were calling him mafia that game. I distinctly remember it she also did read vivax town at the start of this game. | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:00 Vivax wrote: I can vote her on policy. As for the personality I think it‘s glaringly obvious On policy? That doesnt matter that she lied? | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:02 marvellosity wrote: I don’t give a flying fuck if you’d vote her on policy i do though <3 | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:03 Vivax wrote: Sometimes it isn‘t lies, but people actually creating memories out of thin air to fit the narrative, but unconsciously so you think dmb did that? | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:04 die_meatbaby wrote: When did I fucking lie? Are you two together on the dark side? you said you town read vivax and now you are saying you dont. | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:22 Vivax wrote: It isn‘t always about alignment sometimes it‘s personalities we‘re dealing with. Or disorders. Once you get past that you can look at the alignment. so what is the verdict? | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:24 scott31337 wrote: I think it's OMGUS personally who? why? | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:27 scott31337 wrote: DMB and Vivax I've seen two town bitch at each other and reminds me of such from the past so you think both are town? | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:30 Vivax wrote: I told you she‘s on a tier with Oats. She struggles too much in cooperating with me. It‘s like it‘s a mental block of hers. She will never be on my side in games we‘re in together. That‘s just who she is. so is that town or mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:33 Vivax wrote: Dude it‘s on the last two pages or so. I‘m not going to quote that now. Okay. | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:46 Vivax wrote: … I was under the impression you were done reading yeah, what has my question to do with it? | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote: Sandro, Slam, Mocsta (AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck koshi is 100% town... for anyone who is wondering. and this is not just by rsoultin filter, also koshi filter. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote: If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead. The question is. Should I get lynched this game? very good post. | ||
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On June 10 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote: Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads. very terrible post.- | ||
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Figure it out yourselfs. | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:24 Vivax wrote: Now that I think of it I forgot Slam is in the game. Rayn do you still believe Slam is town ? He‘s a bit quiet for his standards. no | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote: Mocsta is playing very well if mafia. My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. i have a question for you. Why did AZ stop pressing this: Icant find the post | ||
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On June 10 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me. If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you. thjs... if he is town and thinks i am mafia why not push it further? | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:35 marvellosity wrote: He can accept your answer I did, it’s just NAI i am sorry i dont think its just nai if you think it is not in the first place, which he should, when he asked the question | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:42 marvellosity wrote: Why? If I can accept the answer so can he. Of course he can. maybe i am stupid, you were not pushing it "as bad as it looked", he was. | ||
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Town or what? | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:47 marvellosity wrote: So are you saying your answer was unsatisfactory? i think yes | ||
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okay, for the record i do think youre most likely town atm, so i have a bit of self-searching to do here.... we'll see. | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote: You know very well I don’t have a 17 page filter n1 I tried hard in that 13 page filter in a several day long game as mafia sure yes, that doesnt make you right anyways, since i feel like most of the game you have been calling me mafia withoug calling me mafia | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:55 marvellosity wrote: I haven’t had that thing that makes me sure you’re town. But I can’t see any reason for you to be mafia either. So here we are I still love you lots though It's okay, if you're town i have had my bad moments as well this game. | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote: Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other. Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise. Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote: What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:05 Trfel wrote: I'm very confused by this, I provide reasons to suspect them, then they clutter up the thread with nonsense, after which you say it makes me look bad? How does it make me look bad when my suspects are acting anti-town? I literally made them to clutter up the thread. How can you make that about them, just because "they did that"? I didnt see anything that makes either of them mafia, i thought it was tvt. Did you? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:08 Vivax wrote: I want to whack someone on the head with a baguette why do it to trfel | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote: I mean you did encourage them, but it's still their choice, no? I don't like trying to characterize arguments as TvT or whatever, I think it's very difficult to do accurately with little reward. Maybe a better approach is this: Ignore the whole argument thing, it's hard to make sense of and it doesn't matter. There are reasons to suspect both Vivax and die_meatbaby individually that I think are well worth exploring, and I would like to go back to discussing those reasons. I'm not sure both are mafia, or even that one is, but they're both in my top suspects, so I would like to focus on that please. In addition to the aforementioned reasons for Vivax, he's posted a lot, but I find his posts very uninspiring. I don't think there is anything he said that's particularly insightful, or anything he did that is particularly interesting. And he's had plenty of opportunity to do so. This is very subjective, so if you disagree that's fine, but I'd at least like a bit of evidence to back it up. Like, there are several, separate compelling reasons to lynch Vivax, I am not going to just let this slide. okay, and what about DMB? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:15 Mocsta wrote: I think rayn asked who I think is mafia which is lazy I have intentionally dropped my post count and what I do have points to dmb What do these points mean? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:22 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn why am I mafia? Scott took all night to fail to point out it, maybe you can do better? I dont think youre necessarily mafia, i think youre either pressing right or wrong shit, on scott, and i think youre wrong. Does it make you mafia? No. It does increase the possibility of you being mafia imo, in case scott is not mafia. As for why you could be mafia, i dont know who you are, i dont know if you can make these posts as mafia as well as town. Similarly as you seem to be approaching to me. I already said i think youre okay, but well.. not okay for me. You will have to deal with it i guess. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote: As far as I can see your priority is checking out who‘s calling you scum right now. Not an issue unless it‘s the only priority you have who, me? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:38 AlphaZero wrote: Sure. Why is he not. His case didn’t even have a shred of thinking regarding my alignment. It was confirmation bias searching for a justification. The Sandro part was particularly egregious. Yes i think it was awful. I however think it was a case made by a townie. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:38 Trfel wrote: Don't have any super amazing reasons, but die_meatbaby also hasn't done anything that makes me think she is town.There's this, which I think is at least worth a response.This post is quite scummy as well. I get the impression that die_meatbaby is trying to blend in. Even if you ignore the low activity/invovlement, I don't get the impression that she's looking for mafia. The classic paranoia isn't really there, she expressed some suspicions about AlphaZero day 1 but didn't really pursue them much. Also, the soft defense of scott31337 (I'm not going to vote for scott31337 yet but maybe I will later kinda thing) seems really bad to me. It's heavily mafia motivated to save mislynches for the future and to leave possibilities open. I also feel like she has been avoiding involvement. She always says "I'll post more soon, I'll be more active soon" and then hasn't. Right now, she's hiding under the excuse of not wanting to post during the night phase. I know there isn't a ton there, but die_meatbaby hasn't given us much to work with. And the town tells I would expect are distinctly not there. The stuff that is there, points to die_meatbaby being mafia. so both her and vivax mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:39 AlphaZero wrote: I also don’t understand how vivax can think I’m paired with Mocsta and Scott. yeah i dont get that either, but then again it is vivax... | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:41 AlphaZero wrote: Ok tell me why. Because to me, he has this scum read on me., he can’t explain why or how it came to be, and then when asked he had to disappear for hours and hours and then come back with something that doesn’t even cover the initial post that he calls me scum for. Unless you think it’s just because I have called him out and he is responding in kind. I am sorry i cant explain it i think. It is scott... I saw him play last game, everyone at the start thought he was mafia. It is more about his expression on things than what he posts. Idk,. it probably makes me look really bad regardless of his alignment, but i just dont think he is mafia this game. I am sorry i have no fucking good reason to think he is town, i just do. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:47 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn is Scott just really bad? Is that why he is getting a pass here? kind of but no, because last game he was really really good and made a case on mafia... | ||
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If that's bad for me, fine. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:51 AlphaZero wrote: You were the one who wanted to talk about why he is town no? Yes. I was expecting you giving me some sort of baseline. | ||
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Okay i am gonna re check that. Gimme a sec. | ||
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On June 10 2024 09:05 AlphaZero wrote: I want to know why you think Scott is town and what changed from you being on the same page as me In regards to him to you then town reading him and being suspicious of me. Cause it seemed it was just that vivax and koshi posted it and you sheeped them his case on p104, and i made up my mind on p105. | ||
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Not happy marv died but i am happier than D1 still. Gonna start by reading Trfel's case on Vivax if i hve time sr work. | ||
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Which of you townread AZ at the eon1? Not even need to answer, just a mental note formyself to check when i am home. | ||
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On June 10 2024 23:40 sandroba wrote: Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post. this is very bad conclusion. | ||
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That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list. Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? | ||
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I will talk about it when i am home. Wanted to talk about it with AZ first but apparently he is awol. | ||
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On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: [...]he has just talked about how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list. I mean for him it is a relevant point enough to make a post about it out of blue, but not relevant enough to consider Oats mafia after all. | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:18 Koshi wrote: If this is a retarded whisper play you can absolutely lynch me. Nope, i whispered AZ today. | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote: Hey rayn, how did you go from not seeing me as mafia asking questions to koshi to this without any answers? I forgot i was that smart! Probably 2 mafia there at least. | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:28 Koshi wrote: Just for the record now we are here. Why are you not interacting with me on a more intense level? Because i have not interacted with anyone pretty much, and you scumread anyways so i havent seen a reason to dothat today. Yesteeday i focused on marv and AZ mainly. | ||
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On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote: Best reasoning for rayn mafia is: He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I. And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs Are you insane i thought marv is mafia most of the night? | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:16 Koshi wrote: rayn can we be friends and solve the game? sandroba mocsta and slam? What do you think? What is this obsession with AZ Its not really obsession. I am just very vary of him because him and (now 100% town) marv didnt het scott lynched D1. They were the town leaders mostly during day, why didnt they get him lynched ifthey really tried? This is not a game where DP goes shennies onto some stupid lynch wen all euros are sleeping, thay had "all the tools", why didnt it happen? I think youre right on mocsta and sandroba. I already posted my case on sandroba. I think Mocsta writes a lot but i dont really remember anything he posts. Has anything he said ha any impact on anything? I dont know why Slam couldnt be mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:28 Trfel wrote: See, you say you are over it, but you keep bringing it up? What? Yesh thats what i do | ||
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Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:36 Trfel wrote: Koshi: makes no sense. Tries to post fluidly but as the game state has been changing rapidly, he's shown an incongruous mindset. For example, he said I went from hero to zero. He thought I was doing great because I was pushing Vivax and raynpelikoneet. But Koshi himself stopped scumreading Vivax, before posting the hero to zero thing, and I don't even think he is that suspicious of raynpelikoneet. But he still said hero to zero. How can he still say that I was being a hero if he thinks I was pushing townies as mafia? That's very far from hero play? Die_meatbaby, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet are in a special tier of hyper suspicious people that make me wish we could triple lynch today You are being very bas right now Trfel. | ||
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On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote: Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. | ||
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Here is what sandroba posts during his catch up. On June 10 2024 23:40 sandroba wrote: Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post. Now this has to be important for him because he takes the time to make this read(s). Otherwise it is just blatant nonsense that needs no attention from his part. Not only that this gives the impression or rsoultin being mafia, the Oats part here is important. Otherwise, again, why post any of this? I think it's a dumb pre-flip association read, that isn't even good at all in the first place, and doesn't really hold water from what i read, but okay, maybe sandroba can make that read town. Then he continues: On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is: Town: trfel mocsta oats scott Likely town: vivax AZ Mafia is here: rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam Now rsoultin is there in his mafia list. If rsoultin is there in his mafia list, Oats should be there as well as possible mafia, because he JUST felt the need to tell the thread Oats can be mafia with rsoultin. Otherwise there is simply no bone behind his first post, i mean if he think Oats is anyways not mafia. That's a very simple discrepancy in his reads, and his posts, he felt were important things to say during his catch up. Basically both of his post above cannot be true at the same time. Later on he tries to answer with this: On June 11 2024 03:57 sandroba wrote: This post just looks like someone trying to bury me, I honestly after being caught up don't even think there is any consensus here. Rsoul / Koshi being scum does not make oats scum, although it makes him not 100% town based on that logic alone. I haven't posted any case on rsoul, although I do believe that slot is likely mafia. This however has nothing to do with what i said. There is also this, what he says about Koshi: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote: Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. I dontr care about Koshi here, but look at what he says about rsoultin. "rsoultin is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi", come on, is his scum read on rsoultin based on he doesnt know why rsoultin is mafia??? | ||
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If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin. | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote: First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you. I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sandroba I am quite certain Vivax is town and i think you are wrong. How does that go with you? | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:29 die_meatbaby wrote: I need more time to read vivax and also to read you Looking forward to this. I don't think Trfel is stupid, so if there is anything right in his reads is that you're mafia, imo. So please make the time go fast. | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote: AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. scott why did you feel the need to say the underlined part? Also who were those people you were talking about there? | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:40 scott31337 wrote: Basically that he isn't going to get lynched today. who were you referring there? | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:49 Koshi wrote: Have you ever seen a mafia team openly pushing the same 2/3 names? I have once, it ended really badly | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:09 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure marv would have always been on our side yes | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:15 AlphaZero wrote: Because you haven’t established your innocence in a timeframe that is normal for you. But I’ll talk to you shortly on discord if you are around. not today, i am going to bed soon. that's also a very very bad reason to call me mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:24 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false. Prove it is false then. I am getting angry i need to go to bed. | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote: I guess I can go back and respond to this. If you don't agree that's fine but I'll try. It's totally understandable for someone to misinterpret something and make a wrong claim and realize it and retract their claim. This isn't what raynpelikoneet did. When sandroba and I pointed out that he was misreading sandroba's post, instead of changing his view, raynpelikoneet modified his argument. See here:Raynpelikoneet's initial argument: - Sandroba said that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster could be mafia (implying this is more likely). Then, sandroba said he thinks rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, but didn't think Oatsmaster is mafia Becomes: - Sandroba said a pointless association read, it's pointless because it only matters if someone is town, and sandroba thinks that person is mafia The latter isn't wrong, but it's a much weaker argument. However, this change did not affect raynpelikoneet's read on sandroba or his confidence in this case. Town in this spot would re-evaluate given the new information. Note that raynpelikoneet's third point is literally nonsense. Sandroba said "I have no idea how to read rsoultin so it helps that Koshi replaced in, here are the reasons Koshi is mafia: (reasons)" and took that to mean "Koshi is mafia because I have no idea how to read rsoultin" which is simply not what sandroba said? The end result is you have a three point case where raynpelikoneet literally said the first point doesn't mean anything on its own, the second point is quite weak, and the third point is objectively not true. But raynpelikoneet still believes it, very strongly, after being shown these things. fuck you that's definitely not what happened at all. | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:22 Koshi wrote: Yes. It obviously does not make sandroba lock mafia. BUT In a fast catch up. It is weird that sandroba sees something that makes him go: "Hey rsoultin and Oats could be a mafia team" And then not much later goes: Town: Oats Mafia: Rsoultin It just contradicts this earlier post you made in a catchup of so many pages. If it is throwaway, why post it? He is limiting his post count and still contradicts in that low post count. yes literally fucking this!!!! why the hell does he even need to make that point of oats beingn mafia with rsoultin in the first place if he doesnt think it is true?????? i mean like if you casually post along the thread it is fine but he was not casually posting along the thread, he was doing a catch up which is basically "these points i find important when i am reading along the thread". why is it important oats can be mafia with rsoultin if he doesnt think oats is mafia in the first place?????? | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:25 Trfel wrote: Gonna quote this one more time for clarity. First paragraph, he literally says in the second paragraph that it doesn't make sandroba mafia. If you choose to interpret this point as being strong, I can't stop you, but I don't think it is very strong, and raynpelikoneet doesn't, either. I don't even really think it's true tbh, but that's more subjective and I don't feel like arguing about it. [...] Note that this is the reasoning that raynpelikoneet is using to explain his vote on sandroba. And raynpelikoneet was defending sandroba not long before! So this reasoning has to be strong enough to make sandroba the most suspicious person, and also override his previous town lean/town read on sandroba. First thing. That's not what i said. I said his reads list in itself doesnt make him mafia. But when you couple it up with the fact he needed to say if rsoultin is mafia oats could be mafia, the reads list doesnt even hold truth of what he is thinking anymore. I have never defended sandroba during D2. Hell you yourself used this as an argument of me being mafia!!!! Now i am mafia for not defending sandroba and defending sandroba??? | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote: I think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. What do we need to talk about? | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:13 Koshi wrote: You agree that AZ, Mocsta, Tfrel and Vivax were vero constructive and pro town in that conversation with Oats? Felt like 5 townies talking. What discussion are you talking about? The one where Oats tries to tell them to vote for sandroba and everyone else is zero constructive? | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote: But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit? There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause. | ||
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What choice does DMB have though, as mafia, because she is the counter wagon at the time? Or DMB is town and smart and voting for mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:25 Mocsta wrote: So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia? I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of are you fucking stupid? | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:56 Mocsta wrote: well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect Rayn answered neither Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe. Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely. Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way. This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset. mafia post | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:03 Trfel wrote: Hey raynpelikoneet, can we talk about this for a little? I don't want to upset you and once again I am sorry that I did so, but if you are town I would very much like to understand where you are coming from. Specifically the third paragraph, would you be able to explain where that is coming from? Here are the things sandroba said on rsoultin during D1: On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote: The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out? On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile Now after that Koshi enter the game in place of rsoultin, and sandroba's take on that D2 is: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote: Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. I understand if sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia. Why does he have to justify it with something rsoultin did? Similar to the Oats thing in his catch up, that's all out of place, this doesn't make any sense. If sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia, why write anything about rsoultin, if he thought rsoultin is null? It's like, "because i think this person does now look scummy, suddenly their other posts that are null became scummy as well". If you get what i mean? | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:17 Vivax wrote: I might come around. I just really dislike having sandro as mafia early because he‘s n1 or n2 kill material. Why would anyone ever kill sandroba in this game N2 with the material he has produced? | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:23 Trfel wrote: So to make sure I understand correctly: If sandroba had not written that first sentence about rsoultin, and started straight into the reasons he thinks Koshi is mafia, that would have made more sense to you? yes, and also if he didnt make the stupid oats/rsoultin pairing (however shallow it might be in his mind) during catch up when important things should matter. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes, and also if he didnt make the stupid oats/rsoultin pairing (however shallow it might be in his mind) during catch up when important things should matter. remember that this also happened BEFORE he started calling Koshi mafia, so i can only assume he made a conclusion first and then started finding reasons for it. | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:44 Mocsta wrote: we? You're dead n2 most likely lol I think if sandroba is town then game.is over effectively Yeah sandroba might be scum but I'm not voting with that block. I would rather assume they are bussing because sandroba was at risk of modkill and made just enough effort to keep the slot going but may not return covering your bases already? | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:54 Mocsta wrote: you must have sold a lot of copies of 'rayns how to play: town - dodge and reframe mastery' Let me tell you some of your mastery.... Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta. Trfel makes a case on Vivax. You blindly sheep onto the case. I am the only person in this game who has provably told i dont think Trfel's case on Vivax is good before he said it was fake. Even when Trfel fucking thinks i am mafia. For some reason this doesn't matter to you at all, you just take him at face value when he says "oh case was fake lets focus on rayn", and you go all balls out on rayn. Then Trfel says "no i dont really want rayn i want to actually follow him on sandroba" and you are STILL on Trfel is always town train????? I mean, for you, ther SHOULD be a reasonable amount of doubt of Trfel being town, because all the good shit in your opinion he has done he has backed out of and now he is doing stupid shit. Yet you don't. Thank you for playing, mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2024 19:19 Koshi wrote: Well maybe I should read how much he cared about saying the case was bad. But I remember him saying it. I think I can see town!rayn go "hey that case isnt good" and go on with his life. Mafia!rayn would maybe try to gain something out that event I think mafia rayn would play different with such a filter. Be more liked for exapmle. I told that to AZ in mason yesterday around 4pm GMT yesterday. Its literally the first thing i saythere. I wanted to make something put of it regarding him before saying it in thread, but trfel said his case was fake even before AZ posted anything in the chat. After that AZ says "i agree its not a good case" (which i dont even understand why does he feel the need to say that anymore at that time). If he claims othewise he is lying and mafia. | ||
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On June 12 2024 04:43 sandroba wrote: Erm, rayn - were you talking about your own read of rsoul and not rsoul's read of me at this point? Of course i am talking about my read on her... Did you wven actually read my filter? I very clearly said her case on you is bad later. | ||
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I was concerned during N1, that when scott didn't get lynched, maybe one or two of marv/AZ is mafia. Obviously i was wrong on marv. We had a talk about my notion that "if youre both town with marv, why didn't you get scott lynched" with AZ in the mason chat. He of course refuses to acknowledge that its a good point since he has to regardless of alignment. He however acknowledges that it was reasonable, "And it’s a good observation I always said that". Except he never says that in thread. Another thing is about the Trfel case on Vivax. I was literally the only person in the game to call that case bad. By default it's a good observation, because Trfel himself said so. Both of those things are considered good observations, even if i am wrong about alignments here. It annoys me a great deal that even after that, nobody even noticed those things, Trfel keeps telling i am playing like shit, and AZ doesn't do any-fucking-thing about that while telling me in mason QT absolutely different story that Trfel is telling here -- and never clears that up in thread. We havent really been talking about anything else too much, aside from our reads on each other, and one other person, which is not really relevant at the moment. Now as for Mocsta, My comment on Mocsta after i said he is only posturing imo, was this: Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta. I do not think it is wrong to assume Mocsta should even for a teeny tiny bit consider Trfel's alignment when Trfel goes like "vote Vivax" ---> Mocsta goes "wow good yeah lets do that shit", "naaah i was just faking a case, rayn and koshi and DMB are mafia", "wow yeah okay, let's kill DMB!", "naah i am actually voting for sandroba WITH rayn and DMB". At this point, why the hell doesn't Mocsta shred a SINGLE moment on reconsidering Trfel's alignment????? AZ calls me mafia for thinking he should. Yet my opinion is: " If Trfel was anyone but Trfel i would say Trfel is mafia because he keeps repeating his awful points and fails to even reconsider anything for a second just because he is too tunneled. Like his points are literally awful!!!! However Trfel is the only player i ever read just by tone, and this is town Trfel. He made me very angry yesterday, and idgaf if you lynch me, even if i could i wont be saying anything to him anymore and let him fucking throw." This however should not be clear to Mocsta. Trfel just pushed all the shit Mocsta apparently "wanted", and ended up on full opposite side of all those things. But no, Mocsta doesn't reconsider him at all, he doesn't even tell him he's being stupid or anything. Like just nothing at all. I think that's mafia. Furthermore there is this thing when he is already gearing up on sandroba mafia lynch. Everything from his post #3099 is simply just preparing himself to look better after flip. There is simply no reason why he should have a thought in his head that rayn is mafia and at least one of DMB/sandroba is mafia. It is simply insane to have a thought that i am mafia with sandroba!! This post is just simply nitpicking on semantics in a very scummy way: On June 11 2024 17:56 Mocsta wrote: well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect Rayn answered neither Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe. Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely. Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way. This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset. I literally answered exactly what Koshi asked, and even more. Mocsta = mafia AZ is being dumb, mafia or town idk Others are town and dumb If he cannot fucking deduce that from the post for real he has to be the dumbest person on earth. He is simply just using semantics of "rayn not answering the question" to painnt me scummy, when i did answer, and more. Probably because he has deduced Trfel is incapable of hearing anything of how rayn could possibly do something townie in this fucking game from behind of his eye-shutters. Yeah end rant. Now my only question is what alignment is AZ? If he is town what am i missing? | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:27 Alakaslam wrote: If I were to go purely on voting analysis, I would get the DMB wagon being pretty scummy honestly. "Pure" my ass I am pretty sure DMB has actually very fucking good reads in this game. | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why. What are you even talking about. I compared your read about "rayn would sub-consiously play more as town" in that i a similar way why cannot you accept the fact that i can legit have a thought in my head "why didn't marv + this AZ dude get scott lynched if they really wanted to". You literaally answer to that, that you understand, and it's a good observation. I even say there, i don't care what Trfel says about people being around or not being around. Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb. What did you raise multiple times? My argument is not about the resistance on lynching scott. My argument is JUST and ONLY "if marv and AZ are both town, why didn't it happen?", because they should be able to make it happen if they are both town and think scott is mafia. It's just as simple as that. And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments. Yet you never say anything to Trfel while agreeing with these decent observations of mine. I am sorry, but it makes me at least iffy. You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith. Why? I don't think i am. | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:37 Alakaslam wrote: This seems warranted Rayn, why not just answer directly? I literally talked about it in my post??? | ||
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On June 12 2024 06:56 AlphaZero wrote: I told you in the chat and multiple times why. We didn’t have the thread control, and there was a ton of resistance to the lynch. It’s a really bad point to try to derive an alignment based on one of us who already flipped town and another I flipped player not lynching someone over a mislynch. The good point is recognising that me and Marv didn’t get our lynch and considering what mafia agenda is at plays I have said and implied many times that Scott had resistance to the lynch and I find that point to be good. You trying to derive my alignment from it is madness. Why didn’t you vote with me and Marv if you felt that way. You just ninja voted onto Kelsier and then are blaming me for not getting my lynch done . wtf is that. Maybe we're just not understanding each other then about that. I know people are claiming you didn't have thread control and bla bla, it still nags me. I am not using it against you, it was a reason why i -- during N1 -- gave a very good look into your and marv's alignments. I am not saying it makes you mafia, i am sorry if you feel like i am. I am saying it is a point for me to look into your alignment. Why aren't you interested in scott then, if you feel like it's a relevant point? You have been sheeping Trfel all day and given no fucks about something you think had merit of being scum-indicative... I have clearly told why i voted for Kelsier. my townreads rsoultin and Oats were on Kelsier, my mafia read marv was on scott. That's it. If you have a problem with it why didn't you raise it during N1 when i told marv the exact same thing? | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:15 Vivax wrote: I reread sandro and have a hard time not liking it. what is there to like after D1? | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:19 Vivax wrote: He‘s very specific and unfluffy. I don‘t have to wade through a pool of glue to figure out what he thinks exactly. you mean like the case on me where everything was wrong and misrepresented? | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:28 Vivax wrote: Well no, he didn‘t vote me while having the opportunity. You did. Dmb did. I am sorry but sandroba got to the thread when Trfel had already told the case is fake. | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but sandroba got to the thread when Trfel had already told the case is fake. well let me correct myself, he was still catching up when trfel did that. it would be kinda self-destructing to be like "hey i am on page 80 but i am voting for vivax on trfel's excellent case i have not seen yet". | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote: Ignore Vivax. He is extra edgy today. I don't understand why this town fights so much. I can only hope sandroba is town. Then is makes sense. It is because Trfel and Vivax are too tunneled because of ???? Trfel isn't even that much anymore i guess? Who exactly is fighting? It's not like were yelling fucks and shits to each other with people like trfel, vivax, oats, (scott, dmb, slam). sandroba is mafia Mocsta is mafia AZ is ???? someone is missing or not. From my pov in the "perfect world" townies are not actually fighting but i am not sure if i believe in that perfect world 100%. | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: see Koshi? Who's picking fights? not referring to vivax lol | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:57 Oatsmaster wrote: He wasn’t here when you were being wagoned lol tbh he was, but catching up. and as i said it would have been seppuku to go at vivax at that time. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:17 Vivax wrote: After my past experiences with DP I know I have to policy kill her or mafia can just generate endless bullshit in lategame when we‘re both alive and have legitimate concerns about conflicts of interest at that. what? | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:21 Mocsta wrote: So sandroba is getting lynches today 6 or 7 to 3 last I checked At what point do you follow through to policy lynch Shouldn't you be on dmb >> sandroba then? what is this guy talking about again? :D | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:23 Vivax wrote: The night after Palmar lynch. You can‘t have finely nuanced reads as a couple you just can‘t. It‘s always a dirty read imo. Unless you stay away from each other for the entire duration of the game but it‘s always going to affect moods and behaviours in some way. is your gf DP? | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist I do get it though. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote: well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion but you are entertaining to vote for sandroba, and that i am mafia with him? | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:01 Mocsta wrote: majority say az is town and I think sentiment is mostly vivax is town On dmb lynch is max 1 mafia Therefore mafia control the vote and have chosen sandroba Go town!!!! you really cannot think like this? | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:54 Mocsta wrote: I've explained why I find that important for oats moving forward can you quote the post where you explain it? | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:08 Mocsta wrote: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=160#3185 fair | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does that mean then you think DMB is town, if mafia "has chosen" to lynch sandroba? Who else would mafia "choose" to lynch. Me? But that would implicate you so i think you're not saying that. | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who else would mafia "choose" to lynch. Me? But that would implicate you so i think you're not saying that. I really want your answer to this Mocsta, preferrably before flip. | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:14 Mocsta wrote: I don't think it's set in stone. There was much better push pull lynch resistance today, although majority from my town reads. Maybe I have the game flipped upside down. I can cop that on the chin. But maybe I am reading the game by Poe well too In that case was dmb a legit counter wagon?.. I don't believe so. Dmb wagon never picked up and never got buy in to pick up so I don' believe the game go to the point of truly testing this. Mafia controlled this vote and sandroba is a mislynch. That's my take. The only small BS reality I could tinfoil entertain is sandroba was legit modkill and scum wanted bus cred Thane why do you even say "one of DMB/sandroba is mafia", because in your world sandroba is NOT MAFIA!!! | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:19 Mocsta wrote: Chapter III town: how to microscope molehills and flatten mointains yeah well excuse me but you did that earlier, so you might wanna quote yourself in the book. | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:24 Vivax wrote: Statistically though there‘s tops 3 mafia on dmb while they are much more likely on sandro. what a stupid thing to say. | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:31 Vivax wrote: Tbh this could have been rayn projecting that he knew sandro was town. Really weird accusation but we will find out what's weird about it? | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote: in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandroba how can you color me and koshi read if you dont color sandroba green? what's your opinion of AZ not being here? | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why is slam black when you said one of dmb and sandroba is mafia? with me and koshi wouldnt that always make 3? or do you think there is 4 mafia? | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:27 Mocsta wrote: only scott should answer this its probably relevant where his sandroba read sat on day1 as well you have tickled my curiosity about writing the sandroba case enough i may look at some past games to see if acts similarly Very safe thing to say. I will let you do your useless search though. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:30 Mocsta wrote: whats with the tone? are you calling me scum if you think its a waste of time, what do you suggest i examine? Yes i am calling you scum. Not for that, but you should know i sm calling you scum aleready. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:38 Mocsta wrote: well that was before the flip. maybe you changed like me look. you want to put me in your pool. go ahead no need to shit the thread up with this stuff im trying mate, doing the best i can (yes as town) you go take that however you want to. Why sre you town reading me when you D2 said rayn is mafia and one of sandroba/dmb is mafia? | ||
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Then look at a couple of specific posts that were posted during D2-D3. I think you know what i am talking about. I think there is another player who has expressed similar behavior regarding those posts. It doesn't confirm anything for certain, but i think it might be worth consideration, especially if youre town. Hopefully you know what i mean. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: You also know if you are town and i am mafia Oats is not night killed. I also know if i am town and you are mafia Oats is not night killed 90% of the time. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:05 Mocsta wrote: yeah, i literally just read 114 sandroba hits in his filter looking for his d2 case - which there isnt one. his take on sandroba has been pretty damn consistent and lines up with thread evolution.. all his stuff with sandroba has been reactive too, and has maintained his top reads. I dunno, really does come across to me as a townie working across multiple suspects can you finally tell me why you think i am town? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:14 Mocsta wrote: dude you may not see eye to eye with my approach and thats ok like. i dont have the brain capacity to check every single fuckin player eveyr single time info changes. i prirotised DMB to validate whoever said zero interactions, and then noticed AZ read on sandroba was not what i had in my mind it was which puzzled me, and as per that post it went back a lot further than i realised like do i townread you by filter. no. you are remarkably different than what i remember.. which i accept could be on me as well, or that both of us have gotten older and differences do come with that. do i townread you by association to committ to sandroba vote on d2. yes which does come with a scummy caveat. if dmb flips scum, i would drop you to null and reexamine. Theres 2 scenarios i can think of where scum!rayn dees commit to the sandro bus, and both involve scum!dmb 1 = maximise cred 2 = save power role but again, the game isnt there, its not a consideration for me part of why im also talking to you nicer like i got nothing else mate? The problem for me is, that you still made a post where you said "rayn is 100% mafia and then one of sandroba/DMB is mafia". When sandroba turns out to be mafia, why does that change your opinion on me? Because it should not, if your opinions during D2 hold water. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:15 Koshi wrote: I think we need to lynch in dmb /slam No Koshi, both are close or 100% town. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:20 Mocsta wrote: that was before the flip now the flip doesnt mean you become town.. it was because like i said. you were first on and had A LOT of time to get off or create other opportunities the point is i re-evaluated now, if you want to call me scum for doing that. then do it. its a policy lynch. admit it, and i wont hold hard feelings like i said, the only situation i would re-evaluate you now, is based on DMB, and i didnt say you would be scum. its null. and i would have to go through you 20+ or whatever it is filter My point is, from what i read of your posts during D2, you thought i can be mafia with sandroba. When sandroba flips mafia, why can't i be mafia with sandroba? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:20 Koshi wrote: You will have to proof to me the meltdown was fake, or that it was because he thought he would lose. slam never does it as mafia. hell he even was not under any pressure, it was just me and you entertaining the possibility of him being mafia, he just simply asks for replacement. as mafia???? no way in hell. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:21 Koshi wrote: Ok. Then this makes it really easy. :D ##vote dmb dont be stupid. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote: The Timezone thing is throwing me off . Are you talking about what you said about me smurfing? yes | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote: The Timezone thing is throwing me off . Are you talking about what you said about me smurfing? also sorry i converted the time to GMT but i forgot to add that. but yes youre talking about the correct thing. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:26 Koshi wrote: I believe in the power of town. We had our lynch yesterday, now let az,mocsta, tfrel and Vivax have their lynch arent they lynching AZ`? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:26 AlphaZero wrote: Ok yeah I already knew that. I’m not following the rest . Give me the timestamps of the discord and I’ll catch on. i am talking about a player who made posts regarding that discussion, and a player i pointed out shortly after, but not for what they said (that i pointed out). lol this is again funny like last game when i was masoned with marv^^ | ||
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Do you realise i would have probably gotten lynched if scott/dmb/oats didnt keep their head strong? i dont want to lynch any of those people for that, and adding you there, we were the core of lynching sandroba. | ||
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All keep telling "sandroba was inactive so mafia", but when sandroba was active "wow sandroba so fucking town". All of them are saying that, literally. Only me and you Koshi, saw that sandroba when active is not town. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:41 AlphaZero wrote: If it is what I think it is.I think I get what you are saying. You Think they are partnered ? not necessarily, but worth considering imo | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:42 Mocsta wrote: to me, you can only be mafia if dmb is mafia explain pls. | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:47 Mocsta wrote: dude. its already there, i gave 2 specific scenarios that only unlock based on dmb because dmb was the counter wagon i know you read good too, what is this? If i get it right what you are saying, you think there is a chance that mafia!rayn went to fuck up mafia!sandroba because there was a wagon on mafia!dmb? That's your interpretaion? | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:01 Mocsta wrote: hmmm, i dont think so? i'm saying the mafia!rayn is a good player and recognises the preferred outcome is always to mislynch than bus so why bus? theres only 2 scenarios i value; both contingent on DMB being mafia.. thus, both wagons are mafia, and there is not insufficient thread control to push onto mislynch scenario 1 = Sandro goon, DMB power.. mafia decide to prioritise keeping the power role scenario 2 = Sandro notified of AFK.. rayn decides to bus.. because DMB is a counter wagon, is forced to commit to the bus and ride the cred i genuinely believe mafia!rayn hops of the bus at some point if DMB is town is this breakdown actaully diffferent to what i wrote before? to me its the same thing with more words? thats a real question you know i voted, and advocated sandroba lynch BEFORE dmb became a wagon? Everyone was on Vivax when i voted and advocated sandroba lynch. Everyone at the time was saying sandroba is town. Why do you lie about me? | ||
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why are you telling me i "had to bus"? Sure there should be some other reasoning behind it, than what the vote thread says. | ||
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1) you said "rayn is mafia, one of sandroba/dmb" is mafia, when sandroba flips mafia everything contradicts this statement if you actually believed i am mafia during D2. 2) you seem to be claiming i "had" to bus sandroba based on that i could be mafia with dmb now. Everything that happened contradicts that, because i voted for sandroba before dmbwas even a reliable lynch option, and made it clear i want to lynch sandroba over vivax. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:15 Mocsta wrote: i dont understand man im saying you are town, and if dmb flips mafia there is a consideration i have to go through i really dont get what your problem is you're hanging up on something that doesnt matter today at all? and is unlikely to matter lets say DMB flips mafia.. well. we actually have real interactions now, so i can replace associations with that and see i dont know. its why i call it a consideration im going to have dinner chill out. i hope on a re-read you realise where im coming from. town dude i coloured you green I dont care if you colored me green. You are contradicting yourself. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:19 Mocsta wrote: no one was collaborating. oats refused to work with trfel trfel shit the bed and became paranoid who was the glue keeping it together... fuckn me ............................................ like fucking wow... | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:23 Koshi wrote: Yeah was weird. But all cant be mafia. And one of us 5 is mafia. This is how mafia plays. Most likely dmb. why didnt dmb go on rayn when all she can tell is "fuck i cant read rayn"? | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: i dont care why you think i voted for sandroba. 1) you said "rayn is mafia, one of sandroba/dmb" is mafia, when sandroba flips mafia everything contradicts this statement if you actually believed i am mafia during D2. 2) you seem to be claiming i "had" to bus sandroba based on that i could be mafia with dmb now. Everything that happened contradicts that, because i voted for sandroba before dmbwas even a reliable lynch option, and made it clear i want to lynch sandroba over vivax. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:35 Koshi wrote: Anyway. AZ, Tfrel and Vivax will prefer to vote dmb over Mocsta I think. we will see. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:36 Koshi wrote: Holy fuck how am I not dead then. because everyone and their mother thought you are mafia D2. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:46 Koshi wrote: Scott is back to tiptoptipperditop town after AZ gave fake reads to incriminate him. I dontthink so entirely. I however think youre right to think that about AZ. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote: It’s weird because it felt contrived and over explained. It pinged me at the time, which is why I remembered it. Nothing fake about that. The point is, why does Sandro have to be explain in depth like that to rule out a potential mislynch, he doesn’t need to do it to also vote someone else. Scott was not a viable lynch day two. Even I had dropped it. So it’s misleading to say that he must do call Scott town to do something else. Mafia do not just hand out free town reads to townies, let alone put that effort into doing so. So why did mafia do that? The middle paragraph there is a fair point. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:25 Koshi wrote: 2 quotes from you. I could add more but it was obvious you tr the very small sandro filter. It is pretty surprising to me that you now say that there were "weird" read progressions from sandro. I dont remember you focussing on those yesterday. But to incriminate scott... Yes AZ, this. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:28 Koshi wrote: It is fair. But he does it to gain towncred calling a townie town. You think he wrote all of that trying to make a teammate even more townie? Nha. Doesnt read like that. It reads as TMI and making something pretty to show off how smart he is. That is why some liked him so much yesterday. Maybe. It can also be for a teammate, esp when town is steering away feom that. To look like he's on par wirhthe townies in his analysis. Like if scott is mafia there is no reason why sandroba couldnt do that as mafia. Noone wants to lynch scott anyways D2. | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:35 AlphaZero wrote: Fuck you too then. To say I simply town read Sandro is bullshit and not the truth. Just read those 5 quotes I posted. There is more from day one. I am pretty sure you heavily disagreed with me in the mason when sandroba WAS posting and i told you you need to realise sandroba is mafia and Koshi is town, no? | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:38 Koshi wrote: I think so. I put an alarm 22u30 my local time. I think you can delay that for an hour or 2. I have something to do after i get off work so i can't play immediately. | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:33 Koshi wrote: lol. Yeah weird. One of the few lynches I was pretty sure on. Voting pattern screamed mafia. On June 13 2024 19:33 Koshi wrote: Yeah Mocsta mafia with dmb and Sandroba explains yesterday. Way too antsy and fixed upon not voting sandroba or dmb. Is this really what you think? | ||
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On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote: rsoultin/koshi Either rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would. Scott I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games. Trfl I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie Sandroba https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba this is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again. IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1 I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro? and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats? Or have I already found the team here? this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me! also in the same time i think Vivax I think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats. AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him. Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM | ||
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On June 14 2024 00:06 Koshi wrote: Would dmb buss so hard because Mocsta knew he risked a lot during sandroba lynch? When was this dmb post? Gtg home now. Her first post during D2. | ||
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On June 14 2024 03:48 scott31337 wrote: I actually never thought of it this way... Let Mocsta answer questions posed for him and not make random comments on them please. | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:29 Koshi wrote: Page count from dmb = 8 Page count from slam = 8 88 stands for Heil H***** Vivax has been going off about Austrian politics all game. Coincidence? I think not. Kill Nazis, vote 88, vote DMB/Slam Best post 2088 | ||
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On June 14 2024 06:07 Alakaslam wrote: IT DON WORK NO MORE I HAZ 9 PAGE OOOOOOOHHHHHHH OOOOHHHHHH OOOOHHHHHHHHH. WHAT U DO NOW Oooogooohooooogooooo-ooo caught in a bad romance | ||
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On June 14 2024 06:59 Koshi wrote: So rayn. I am off to bed. Wait what? :D | ||
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On June 14 2024 04:25 Koshi wrote: I think mafia is Slam and DMB now. Is this your answer? I think you are wrong on both. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:15 AlphaZero wrote: but I think we have the same scum team probably. yes, i have problems with scott - sandroba interactions D1, i don't see them likely scum/scum. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:16 Trfel wrote: I'm here until I fall asleep again I guess? Can you read mocsta's posts when you have a chance, on D2? You are saying you can't see how he is going with the thread sentiment. I am saying he is like, Tferl votes vivax -> mocsta follows Trfel votes for dmb -> mocsta follows trfel says rayn is mafia -> mocsta follows trfel votes for sandroba -> mocsta doesnt follow, BUT says how rayn is mafia with sand/dmb mocsta has no doubt of trfels alignment ever. sandroba flips mafia, mocsta doesnt scumread rayn anymore. Makes sense how? | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:18 AlphaZero wrote: care to point out which interactions you mean? namely sandroba dropping a vote on scott and then just leaving it there. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:19 Vivax wrote: Same as before. Dmb and Az. Oats died. Otherwise scott could be but I don‘t currently view that as an option today. If not dmb I‘d begin with considering you and Koshi for pretty much the same reasons as before. Why is Mocsta town? | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:23 AlphaZero wrote: well I don't really agree with that then. I have absolutely done things like that as mafia. probably yes, but you're not sandroba, or scott. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:31 Vivax wrote: It‘s a bit trust based I think the way he posts is townie. He‘s unafraid to overstep some boundaries. Generally posting out of his arse at times, I‘m on the lookout for cautious and calculated. You don‘t test boundaries when you‘re afraid. That‘d mean you have something to lose. What are those boundaries you are talking about? Example? | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote: Let‘s lynch rayn. At least he could say fuck you to us and spice it up lets do that! | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote: You are explicitly allowed to tell me you‘re going to shoot me in the face Good old days you know i am never shooting you in the face unless it is dmb <3 | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:36 AlphaZero wrote: well i think if scott is actually town then its probably vivax with mocsta do you? | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:40 AlphaZero wrote: like the only reason for vivax to be town is his filter length. He has spent way too much of his posts trolling, joking and talking about out of game stuff. It reminds me much more of his mafia game, than his town games. but you know, he does have a big filter. you are right, but does it bother you? | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:52 Vivax wrote: ‚If you insist x isn‘t mafia then I think y is mafia‘ See that‘s also something scummy Koshi did he thinks he needs rayn‘s permission to scumread people. Maybe az koshi after all fucking vivax :D | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:50 AlphaZero wrote: I mean, yeah, it bothers me enough that he is in my bottom 4. And I don't really understand where his scott and mocsta scum reads went, and why I am suddenly his top scum read. So if you insist scott isn't mafia then I think vivax is a good shot to be mafia. I don't think DMB and Mocsta are a more likely pairing. agree | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:56 Alakaslam wrote: But yeah Rayn should join AZ and I on scott, Scott is mafia this game, is very simple no i am voting for mocsta who is 100% mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: I swear scott is mafia I have detected this from the start. Sandro can bus him d1, aren't we in agreement we are dealing with a mafia team from New York? (Context coming) are you blue? just come out if you are. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:04 Vivax wrote: I swear if I see slam on a scum list again Ok what makes mocsta mafia allegedly ? On June 14 2024 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you read mocsta's posts when you have a chance, on D2? You are saying you can't see how he is going with the thread sentiment. I am saying he is like, Tferl votes vivax -> mocsta follows Trfel votes for dmb -> mocsta follows trfel says rayn is mafia -> mocsta follows trfel votes for sandroba -> mocsta doesnt follow, BUT says how rayn is mafia with sand/dmb mocsta has no doubt of trfels alignment ever. sandroba flips mafia, mocsta doesnt scumread rayn anymore. Makes sense how? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:06 Alakaslam wrote: No red, no blue, just green with a shit brown floor did you shit the bed, which is floor? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:08 scott31337 wrote: I'm still pretty stumped Koshi who I read town believes it's DMB and was a scum/scum D2. Rayn who I read town believes it's Mocsta AZ thinks Mocsta is mafia too, which tingles my spider senses Slam thinks I'm mafia Koshi doesn't believe a DMB/Mocsta team I don't think Rayn does either Is Vivax just under the radar? But Vivax thinks AZ is mafia. Decisions decisions who do YOU think is mafia? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:08 AlphaZero wrote: im going to be thoroughly unpleasant to deal with in the post game if scott is mafia, what are you talking about? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:14 Alakaslam wrote: Which is part and parcel why I think Mocsta, Scott31337, Sandroba not the worst idea. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:14 AlphaZero wrote: If scott is mafia, and i get pushed off his wagon day one and day 3, im going to complain. should we lynch scott now? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:17 AlphaZero wrote: Because I have been called dumb for the sandro stuff, and I think I nailed mafia day one and noone will lynch him. so you want to lynch scott to boost your ego? idk man, what's the point? lynch mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:18 AlphaZero wrote: and I have been pointing out why scott and mocsta are partnered, and everyone dismissed it, and then slam says it and you say its a good point. i agreed with slam saying "it is mocsta and scott" most likely. why are they partnered? i have never thought of that shit yet in my mind | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:34 AlphaZero wrote: rayn should just go to poland. done. Also flights are cheap as hell in europe. ok, can we focus on the game now. why is vivax voting mocsta here? idgaf why vivax is voting for mocsta. its a good thing. why is trfel not a hound but a puppy anymore? | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:51 scott31337 wrote: Interesting, for what we know now. And he said AZ town a few posts before this. So what's stinky about it? To me this is a reasonable mindset. Mocsta was scumreading me D1 maybe a little D2. I'm going to do DMB's filter next.  | ||
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On June 14 2024 09:08 AlphaZero wrote: im going to be thoroughly unpleasant to deal with in the post game if scott is mafia, For the record i am not gonna stop anyone pushing you. You did the same to me to me D2, letting me take all the shit and no help other than Koshi (and Oats). You may have all the shit today, we'll see where we end up. | ||
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Then there is scott. Then there is DMB. Then there is AZ, and finally Vivax. I think those 5 people have 2 mafia in them. That's my order of their scumminess. And with vivax it's even very very thin chance, since i think every single player other than me left in the game wanted to lynch vivax on D2 over a very thin flimsy case. I have not however read properly what has happened after yesterday, i didn't have time, and i need to sleep soon. I am voting for dmb because i think Koshi has very good intuition, and he is town. | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:38 die_meatbaby wrote: So you voting me because of a read what somebody else made? Nice. Koshi didn´t even drop a fucking case. Trfl at least took the afford to explain why i look like scum Yes i am voting for you for a case someone else made. There is nothing wrong in that. | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i am voting for you for a case someone else made. There is nothing wrong in that. I mean i think Trfel is town and Koshi is town and i am voting for you because Koshi is voting for you. At least the lynch isn't most likely influenced by mafia, AZ lynch definitely is. | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Annnd we are back to all the scummy people voting for AZ. On June 15 2024 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will vote for scott if that saves you, but i have to go soon. whoops accidently posted in vote thread | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:01 AlphaZero wrote: I’m also down for this. But I want to know why Rayn doesn’t see it first. Maybe I’m missing something. Every player in the game wanted to lynch Vivax aside from me D2. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:06 AlphaZero wrote: I genuinely think Mocsta is the least likely mafia out of the scummy bunch. Maybe I’m being tragically wrong. But I would follow trfel la town read there over rayns scum read if I die. Well then if you want my support you vote for either scott or dmb. i am not voting for vivax even over you. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:11 AlphaZero wrote: No one is ignoring you or calling you stupid. I was on your wagon sheeping you and you just dropped it for dmb. And here we are. There was and there will not be support if there is no Koshi or Trfel. I simply dont have time or energy to fight with them on obvious things. | ||
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On June 15 2024 23:07 scott31337 wrote: I'm sorry as well Koshi. My energy is running lower and lower for this game. I suspect Trfel and Alpha will come after me again tomorrow instead of finding the other two mafia. I'll be traveling most of the day today and will not be around until late evening. Didnt you think AZ is mafia? | ||
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I mean i am partly to blame for yesterday, but thread sentiment was switching to az vs vivax from dmb and then az told me to go to sleep instead of really trying to get me on vivax, when i already said i am not voting vivax over dmb. I found that townie. AZ was leading the vote. I had to go. Fuck me Pleas just consider mocsta and scott, people who actually act scummily!!!! | ||
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On June 15 2024 23:41 scott31337 wrote: So my vote on Sandroba sheeping my top town read Koshi was a bus? Idk. Probably yes. I dont remember exactly when you voted but there were big wagons on vivax and then dmb around the time. I know for sure that it was annoyingly hard to convince people to vote for androba, even WITH Koshi... I also know you didnt really do much to actually advocate the lynch other than the vote ofc. But what choice do you have as mafia? | ||
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On June 16 2024 01:17 Mocsta wrote: You're meant to be a better player than this To have caught up and kept your read one me is definitely building heat your way Be ready to justify your read progression Which read progression are you talking about? I have a nice IPA beer here in front of me, as well a a whisky. So i have a little bit of time. Tell me. | ||
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On June 16 2024 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel please read mocsta d2, and scott d2 and d3 (idk what mocsta did d3 tbh). At least PLEASE do that if i die. | ||
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On June 16 2024 02:03 Koshi wrote: I hope you win rayn. Just shoot me. No talk. Slam is not mafia. I swear on AZ's grave. I thonk youre wrong here. | ||
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On June 16 2024 02:36 Koshi wrote: I really dont understand how dmb got away. 5 votes. Didnt bother to defend herself. And then the jubjubs got control and did their jubjub magic. Really unbelievable My fault. I am sorry | ||
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On June 16 2024 02:40 Koshi wrote: Retarded fake cases d2 to waste 24hours. Fighting them tooth to nail to get Sandroba lynched while they insult us, vote us, even vote dmb. Entire d3 I sit on dmb. Try to get the morons on dmb. It works. Dmb does nothing. And voila. Vivax lynched. I went vivax because other chance was az. He is not mafia. | ||
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Mocsta called me mafia with sandroba, when sandroba flipped i am not mafia anymore. Scott asked AZ ro find 2 other mafia. Keep things simple. | ||
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On June 16 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote: D2 last 24h we had this game figured out because I combined towns consensus and had sandroba/dmb. Willing to vote on both. Trying to bring peace between the 2 town groups. And this lasted till d3 5 hours before EoD. With a lot of work. And then the shitters who had dmb as mafia on d2 decided to lynch Vivax instead of dmb. Going full retard. And now you will be eaten by the shark. N0mn0mn0m Dmb and what? | ||
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On June 16 2024 05:45 Koshi wrote: Nomn0mn0mn0m Blub blub I love you but..9 | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote: If it's slam and you Slam is auto vote me Rayn is auto vote me Game is over _----- Let's just go with dmb scum D3 dmb 5-1 N4 koshi 4-1 D5 Scott (town) 3-1 N6 az 2-1 Mylo Rayn slam mocsta But you're right..perhaps scum!Rayn is still sniping for a medic and I get shot tonight. Who knows Are you stupid? There is no protective role, i hve known ot since N1. | ||
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Well pretty much every day. Who are we gonna lynch tomorrow after DMB if rayn, scott/dmb, mocsta are alive on final day? | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:56 Mocsta wrote: lol Rayn denies bluesnipe But doesn't Deny mafia Hillarious what bluesnipe are you talking about? | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:04 Mocsta wrote: If you are town it's just super disrespectful to waste my time like this Fuck you you fuckhead. | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who are you even scumreading? You just said we laynch AZ tomorrow.. wait no i am not wrong even here, there should be no chance we lynch into the two people of slam/scott tomorrow, maybe scott, but definiteyl not slam. so the only way one of slam/scott is alive at mocsta's scenario is if we lynch AZ tomorrow. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:18 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn we are lynching into the red checks. Flip dmb and then see where we are. I am going big or home. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:18 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn we are lynching into the red checks. Flip dmb and then see where we are. Also you dont get to tell me what to do when you have called me mafia for very fucking stupid reasons. I am mafia, i can do whatever i want. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:44 AlphaZero wrote: I’m calling you mafia because you said the game was solved and that was why you were disinterested. game is solved because after DMB we lynch scott and mocsta, and it will 100% win the game. Noone listens to me, everyone thinks i am mafia, why should i care? | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:42 AlphaZero wrote: I don’t see Mocsta being mafia here. His thought processes are more transparent than yours . Why does koshi think you are mafia? Then you are stupid. Idk, maybe because i didnt catch his soft claim. i really dont know.... he wont talk to me in discord. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:47 AlphaZero wrote: My case has nothing to do with any of that. Secondly you can post a lot as mafia. Thirdly should know well enough that you would try to pocket me as mafia. You have pointed out many times that I was someone you could manipulate. Anyway we aren’t lynching you today. We are lynching a red check and that is that. If you are town you can read through filters like I have been doing and see if you can find something interesting. But wait. You said the game was solved already…. not sure if you have gotten the memo but i dont play to be the towniest motherfucker in the game. i play to find mafia, i think mocsta is more likely tbh, than scott, but i really cba to convince anyone of it. i also dont care if i am lynched or not. i like the puzzle, i cant solve more because mocsta is like "fuck you" and scott is not talking. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:47 AlphaZero wrote: If you are town you can read through filters like I have been doing and see if you can find something interesting. dont care. read through mocsta's filter and see him agreeing with whatever thread sentiment is until it's his mafia buddy. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:52 AlphaZero wrote: Why am I town? I am dead by now if youre not. No matter how wrong or right. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:53 AlphaZero wrote: You of all people should be the most suspicious of me being mafia. So why am I so town that you lynched your other town read to save me? because you told me not to vote for vivax basically. | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:15 AlphaZero wrote: Go to sleep bud. It’s just a game in the end. I think vivax is mafia though. His meta fits perfectly. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:56 AlphaZero wrote: Idk man. You kind of just accepted me as town at some point. But you know that I am one of the most dangerous scum players on the site. It doesn’t really feel like you tried to determine my alignment. and that's because i am not dead, and i know who you are. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:57 AlphaZero wrote: You thought that made me town? It’s possible. But you are the most dangerous scum player left in the game right now. It’s very tricky. It is because both of us are scumread. | ||
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On June 17 2024 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he thinks AZ is gonna die after Koshi the only possible scenario why "slam/scott is alive" if rayn and mocsta are alive is if we lynched slam or scott. first of all if dmb flips mafia, why would we lynch slam? second of all, if we are not lynching az, mocsta or rayn, why is there a chance slam is alive? Mocsta do you know slam is mafia? I mean, how do you explain this? | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:06 AlphaZero wrote: Anyway I’m really going to sleep in it. Interested in why koshi thinks you are mafia. I cant answer that, probably because i asked Slam if he is blue, and he is pissed off at me because i voted off his wagon yesterday. But i already know and have known Slam is not blue since he ragequit, because if he was blue, he would have claimed blue and not ragequit. Exactly why i asked him if he was blue, if he claimed blue, he would be mafia, as there is no way he is blue. | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:05 AlphaZero wrote: Yeah that’s bad. But is it mafia bad? It's many mafia bad things in his filter. Like rayn is 100% mafia and sandroba/dmb is another, but when sandroba flips mafia rayn is not anymore mafia. It should not change his mind at all, if he actually thought i am mafia with sandroba. Similarly last couple of days he has been all over everything that is rayn/AZ/scott and whoever says something "smart" he is in, just looking for a lynch, not solving at all. | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:30 scott31337 wrote: If DMB scum I have lynched mafia d2 - voted for them d3 - and lynched (Hopefully, day isn't over yet!) d4. And you still think I'm going to be lynched? I think even AZ might see the light then. I think youre wrong there... | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:36 scott31337 wrote: I'm pretty sure rayn has not been calling me mafia all game. He has on and on here, but not all game. Tbh i have, kind of, from D2 onwards. | ||
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On June 18 2024 01:40 scott31337 wrote: We got Koshi, me, DMB, Slam, Rayn, AZ and Mocsta DMB Mafia Slam shot Then it's me Koshi Rayn AZ and Mocsta 4-1 If Rayn is lynched (or myself in your thoughts) still have ML LYLO Still have two days Would know Slam is conftown DMB town 3-2 LYLO Obviously town should lynch Slam tomorrow Anyone against is mafia NK 2-1 Hope for the best If we try Rayn plan and go all in lynch outwards just like town did yesterday Koshi will never forgive me If we miss it's GG for sure If we hit it's 4-1 and lynch DMB/SLAM GG That's less than a 40% chance of winning to me Sorry Rayn I'm not buying it. Yes I've read the game. I have to stay with DMB. So mocsta is 100% town? | ||
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On June 19 2024 18:10 AlphaZero wrote: We both think you are mafia or Scott is if you flip green. Ah its the "when rayn does i its scummy but we do it also" | ||
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So i decided to post in a way that i have been flamed for -- for thinking that type of posting comes from mafia, especially in the last game's obs QT. Notice that this is not saying i am playing intentionally bad, i just leave things that dont matter unsaid, and if i dont want to, or feel like to talk with someone i wont. This includes also stuff like no activity on weekends (also because i had no time past couple of weekends), only thing i didn't get to yet this game, is making arbitrary lists of no use, but i'll get to that next game. I dont really wanna talk about D1 or N1 because unless scott is mafia, everything is just a waste of space, and if scott is mafia then i am not mafia so who the fuck cares. I really had my most enjoyable times in this game D2-N2 talking with AZ, while a big lot of it was just him calling me mafia. But we DID have some nice conversations!! I again lost interest at some point when Trfel started calling me mafia with stuff like "you have not said anything smart", then i counter with "look Trfel, even if these things are wrong they are pretty damn smart -- backed up by other people, mainly AZ", and his response is "you havent said anything smart".... Maybe i am too old, but i dont really have any interest talking to rocks anymore, let alone convincing them. I don't understand where this thing is coming from, that i am trying to take so "scummy credit" from sandroba's lynch (mainly pushed by mocsta)? It is literally bullshit argument. The only thing i have ever said about that, is that i pushed sandroba when everyone was on vivax, while telling (AZ) that case on vivax is bad. Idk how i am "using my credit in different way than Koshi is". it doesnt even make any sense. Only way Koshi thought DMB is mafia is because he had a check, and i told Slam is 100% town. Just read the game, you can read it there, because Koshi thought Slam is mafia!! Then people (Koshi too!!!) start claiming that me, and me alone (apparently) was the reason DMB didn't get lynched D3. Sure, if you wanna call me mafia for not getting Koshi's soft claim, then yeah you can blame me. Here is the votecount at the time i voted though: On June 15 2024 09:19 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Vivax(3): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet AlphaZero (2); Scott31337 die_meatbaby (1): Koshi, Trfel (1): Alakaslam Scott31337 (1): Mocsta (0): Not Voting (1): Mocsta With 3 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in I clearly said i need to go, and i will not vote for vivax over DMB (before my vote here). AZ told me to go to sleep and not worry about it, which is the biggest reason i town read him, and that's the reason i voted for vivax over him. I do not think he would do that as mafia, rather than get me to vote for vivax to save himself. It was a nice play if he actually did it as mafia, but i don't think so, also as i said before my vote, all the scummy people were voting for AZ (mocsta, DMB, scott). I did not vote for vivax to save dmb, i voted vivax to save AZ, when the sentiment already turned into vivax vs AZ. I dont know why Koshi is blaming me for that, when basically everyone else is more to "blame".... I made a decision between my two town reads, AZ read more town. It's also a bit confusing that at least Koshi seemed to be thinking, that i managed to figure out he is a power role enough to roleblock him, but not enough to kill him?!?!? :D I mean like i made a mistake, the biggest mistake i made this game, to not realise Koshi is a parity cop with checks on DMB and Slam. Yeah i missed it. But like if i am mafia with DMB, i make the deduction that Koshi is a power role (knowing DMB is mafia), and then i do not kill him?? I think it's a very absurd claim to say i am smart enough to figure out PR, but dumb enough not to kill them (nobody would have cared about DMB without full claim from Koshi lol). Sure him flipping PC would do the same thing, but you remove confirmed town from the game instead of what... Trfel, who just fucked up the DMB lynch all by himself? Also if i know that, why do i whiteknight Slam at that point? Talking about that, Koshi also said i am mafia because i "bluehunted Slam". I never bluehunted Slam. I knew Slam is not blue when he ragequitted, the only reason i asked if he was blue is because if he claimed blue he would be mafia. It is just as simple as that, and Slam knows that as well. If Slam was blue he would have claimed instead of asking for replacement. If he says this is not true, then he is probably godfather or just really fucking stupid... I also see people calling me mafia for "not voting the confirmed mafia". Well first of all that confirmed mafia is mostly confirmed because of me (as i whiteknighted Slam -- EVEN TO AZ!!!). Secondly, if we have one mislynch, who the fuck cares if i vote anyone in the three people containing two mafia? Why possibly would i do that as mafia? Mafia is all about posturing, why do i "un-pose"? It's a fucking stupid argument, apparently even AZ took that... idk what to think of that, i dont think he is mafia but if he is mafia he is mafia definitely for that. I had my reasons for "trying" that, scott passed. It doesnt mean he is town but it definitely doesnt make him mafia, which it could if he was not smart. That's why i did the things i did. Lynch me if you lynch me, i am not mafia. --------------------------------------------------- Now for why Mocsta is mafia though: I could get into all shit what other people did but it's unfair, so i just stick with Mocsta. On June 10 2024 12:29 Mocsta wrote: Why does everyone keep posting combos We don't have the flips for association keep this in mind at first. and this: On June 10 2024 13:05 Mocsta wrote: Is Sandroba at risk of inactivity modkill? Last post greater than 48hrs ago. and this: On June 10 2024 18:31 Mocsta wrote: Rayn keeps getting pushed by my subconscious Can't articulate. Just keep getting vision he is the key to this game And then it is where Mocsta starts 100% following Trfel. First case on Vivax, no doubt, perfect case, gogo! Then he has some interaction with sandroba. What's weird about that interaction is that [b]he has no intention in asking anything about Vivax, who is he voting for atm]/b], but rather about AZ and scott who noone is interested in. And then it starts, warming up on rayn wagon. Now this is the biggest mistake he made. On we go and: Super big defense on sandroba starting from his this post in his talk with Oats. | ||
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Fro Mocsta's perspective: 1) sandroba isn't doing anything at all (based on convo with Oats) 2) rayn isn't doing anything but pushing sandroba --> rayn is mafia.... First of all this is very fucking convoluted decision in the first place, but i kind of think a townie could make that. What i don't think townie can do however, is this: On June 11 2024 18:03 Mocsta wrote: dude.. I'm crying here Are you serious about following koshi and rayn, your scum reads on sandroba. This town can't give.yoj the external validation you are craving. Can you at least stay on rayn till we get more feedback from rest of town.. it's coming.. patience. A little bit more that's all he has? this is 100% mafia agenda knowing sandrobas alignment. Furthermore: On June 11 2024 22:14 Mocsta wrote: I can't vote Sandro because of rayn being on the train r Okay.. but then, when the thread sentiment shifts, and Trfel votes for sandroba (real kicker): On June 11 2024 23:34 Mocsta wrote: I think the best way to unite town is to have 2 wagons to gauge buy in and then merge into one wagon (somehow...) I will join my town reads if it leads to majority My town reads are Trfel Oats Sandroba Az Vivax And I'm willing to work with scott This doesnt even go with what he last said, and then the story changes again: On June 12 2024 02:59 Mocsta wrote: you're better than that my pov: rayn is guaranteed has to be scum between dmb/sandro as for whoever noted the ZERO interactions between dmb/sandro.. like both are afk lets check who they have talked to (either question to player; or quoted the player) to be honest, im mostly surprised sandroba has not interacted with AZ this cycle.. doesnt feel legit so i double checked the filter and its true sandroba -> oats: d1 no, d2 yes -> trfel: d1 yes, d2 yes -> rsoultin: d1 yes -> koshi: d2 yes --> scott: d1 yes, d2 yes -> dmb: d1 no, d2 no -> slam: d1 no, d2 yes -> marv: d1 yes -> kelsi3r: d1 yes -> mocsta: d1 yes, d2 yes -> vivax: d1 yes, d2 no -> az: d1 yes, d2 no dmb -> oats: d1 yes, d2 no -> trfel: d1 yes, d2 yes -> rsoultin: d1 yes -> koshi: d2 yes --> scott: d1 yes, d2 yes -> sandroba: d1 no, d2 no -> slam: d1 no, d2 no -> marv: d1 yes -> kelsi3r: d1 no -> mocsta: d1 yes, d2 yes -> vivax: d1 yes, d2 yes -> az: d1 yes, d2 yes notice this post. "rayn is guaranteed mafia, there has to be mafia within sandroba and dmb". It's a no contest, when he reads sandroba as town..... me and dmb are mafia. where is the argument on that? why point out a stupid connection that he said he is not ding in the first place???? why leave ME, his biggest scumread out, of the chart that is supposed to POINT OUT WHO I AM MAFIA WITH?????????? | ||
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On June 10 2024 12:29 Mocsta wrote: Why does everyone keep posting combos We don't have the flips for association | ||
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On June 12 2024 02:07 Mocsta wrote: There *HAS* to be scum between DMB/Sandroba.. im going to lose my hair if both are town [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 09:22 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 09:14 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does that mean then you think DMB is town, if mafia "has chosen" to lynch sandroba?[/QUOTE]I don't think it's set in stone. There was much better push pull lynch resistance today, although majority from my town reads. Maybe I have the game flipped upside down. I can cop that on the chin. But maybe I am reading the game by Poe well too In that case was dmb a legit counter wagon?.. I don't believe so. Dmb wagon never picked up and never got buy in to pick up so I don' believe the game go to the point of truly testing this. Mafia controlled this vote and sandroba is a mislynch. That's my take. The only small BS reality I could tinfoil entertain is sandroba was legit modkill and scum wanted bus cred [/QUOTE] Thane why do you even say "one of DMB/sandroba is mafia", because in your world sandroba is NOT MAFIA!!![/QUOTE]I don't say that. I have 4 reasons for sandroba to be town and the primary was trust in az.. sandroba is in my town Poe , and stealing. From your book, the caveat is at the bottom of my poe Lots of skim reading by you continuously Why everyone else ignores, Idk[/QUOTE] Literally you said that when you put him in town list. [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 10:59 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 10:50 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): [/QUOTE]in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandroba[/QUOTE] Why are you not coloring Sandro green[/QUOTE]Cos he's not lock He's not null but I won't go to death with him like I would with you [/QUOTE] But you colored rayn and koshi red with the assumption that Sandro is green[/QUOTE]ermmm. If I understand right You believe I associate Rayn/koshi as scum be ause they are voting snadroba? If so..that's not the case They are red to me because of approach to d2. Sandroba is part of that because of their votes, but it's more than that too..contributions to culture, inauthentic takes, no big dick energy etc [/QUOTE] Then during N2 Mocsta's p16 of filter is just... fucking disgusting... Just to throw everything away as soon as an opportunity reaches him. Koshi town, rayn town, Vivax mafia. Just to drop that the next day. | ||
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If so..that's not the case They are red to me because of approach to d2. | ||
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As mafia it makes sense, because he wants to be in good moods with the people like Trfel who have influence (and Koshi as later). It is so ¨transparent it almost makes me laugh... because like look at the fucking filter of his??? | ||
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"rayn is always mafia, sandroba could be mafia with rayn. never voting anyone but rayn" sandroba flips mafia --> "ohhh maybe rayn is town" D2 Mocsta tried really hard going against town, rayn and koshi. period. | ||
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On June 20 2024 02:30 Alakaslam wrote: This is why I usually sheep this man even if it is to hell 😅 Pretty sure you would have been lynched already if i was mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2024 03:11 scott31337 wrote: Rayn - On the chance that you are not mafia - You are sure AZ is town? Not 100% sure. I am basing my townread mainly on the fact that when D3 he was up for lynch with Vivax, he told me to not care about who to vote and to go to sleep when it could be fatal to him. I know it's flimsy, but atm i don't think he is mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 10:25 Mocsta wrote: [/b]I'm not playing anymore Go ahead and vote me off Last post Which you can reread after my town flip I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality. We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use. Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned. I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia. Why is this relevant. We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players. My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter. I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town. Alpha is scum. His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far. Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town. His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game. I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage. Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax. I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch. Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear.. Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town. His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven. Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on: 1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch 2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly 3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game It's a natural confidence boost. The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it I will vote alpha for those who see the light I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept. Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good. [B##vote: alphazero The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not be ignored. Where did this all go? Where did this even start off? There is not even a real reason for anyone to be mafia in Mocsta's bolded part. I know you AZ are sucker for shit like that, so it doesnt surprise me you townread him after scumreading him N2. On June 14 2024 22:39 Mocsta wrote: I was expecting koshi to be shot I'm really surprised by the oats kill,.no disrespect to oats there either. Note, I see reasons koshi could do that as town as well. Especially if he foresees a mafia!Rayn or az lunch being extremely difficult to achieve. I'm somewhat warming up to you associatively 1. Trfel stuff today 2. Your change on me is plausible 3. Associatively i'm imagining a world where mafia!dmb is comfortable dropping 'heat' on town!az because you are a Smurf I can drop this in pursuit of #3 Dmb is playing too scummy to be scum and has to be lynched - filter reads disengaged throughout - filter is conclusions, no method to reach conclusion - filter is confident on all things flipped.kelsier and sandroba and I suspect Scott I just feel bad Cos it was literally a pile on 1 hr a go. I hope she's willing to play again I really.do ##unvote ##vote: dmb But he thinks AZ is mafia because of??? Then votes for DMB, which again is the thread sentiment of the day. Like come the fuck on, then accuses me of "not voting for 100% mafia" which btw DMB even was not, when she was for me yes, but like.... wtf.. Make a case on AZ and vote for DMB? Sure bro | ||
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On June 15 2024 00:09 Mocsta wrote: I switched before I saw a vote count I thought I still had 5 Not that it matters or is proveable If you think I'm scummy for switching on your tunneled read that's nuts I didn't say I said tunneled because there's 2 players left Yeah I get az is your preference, but I have some doubts which you can agree or disagree with Like .. you need to explain please why you are ok dmb jumped on az I take it you are caught up Do you townread dmb based on past few pages? calling scott mafia for what he did, just to switch off dmb into AZ later, | ||
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Lynch Mocsta after me pls. | ||
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What of that says "AZ is mafia"? | ||
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His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far. Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town. His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game. I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage. Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax." | ||
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On June 20 2024 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does it feel like to be "conversion" or "ve"? i would be fucking offended tbh | ||
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On June 20 2024 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: let me continue on my post now i didnt really continue, but ffs.. is mocsta ever first pushing his read? is mocsta ever pushing his read? is mocsta ever like... doing anything proactive since N2? And those things before that were not proactive at all. I will dig up the fucking quotes and shit tomorrow if you are too lazy to see yourselves. | ||
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On June 20 2024 04:38 Mocsta wrote: At least you gave it one last go rayn *Clap clap* An admirable numerous submission ball is on your court, if not today, tomorrow. | ||
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On June 18 2024 18:23 Mocsta wrote: Was Rayns 2 sentence to vote sandroba really that great like he says? why did it take koshi to get the wagon going Ask yourself how did early sandroba voters use their lynch.. one person said look how town I am.. the other said sheep me to vote more scum.. can you guess which is scummy and which is townie? Can you guess who said which? quote for myselöf fo tomorrow. | ||
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On June 18 2024 19:51 Mocsta wrote: Always wants to throw out following thread sentiment yet can't hide away from filter Has the audacity to blame it on being stuck between az and vivax - how townie Ohh didn't realise there was a pattern pot calling.the kettle black Of course he couldn't swap.off sandroba cos counter wagon was rayn worst post in the game. just look at the fucking post??? | ||
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Seems like that obs is somehow translated to this game rn. Fuck that Mocsta post is all wrong wrong wrong wrgoondsnann1!!!!! How are you so bad you let anyone spill that kinda shit? | ||
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On June 20 2024 05:17 Alakaslam wrote: Rayn if we lynch mocsta are you up to 1v1 him? yes | ||
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On June 20 2024 06:59 AlphaZero wrote: I think the attempts to try and pisd me off or mock me or whatever are pretty scummy tbh. Rayn do you think Mocsta is capable of being this open in his Thinking as mafia? Cause there is no doubt he has done scummy stuff. All of us have. Who are left in the game (which is why it’s hard) But he also maintained a level of activity and transparency that is hard to fake. I’m going to re read filters today. Why do you think dmb scum read Mocsta since the start of the game? I dont think Mocsta has been "open" in this game. What do you mean by that? More of he has kept all possible opinions open until now. He literally scumread all you, me and scott last night phase (if i remember correctly the time) in span of two or so pages of filter. I think his play is more of catching onto something he can. I can pull up quotes of that later. Of course its possible dmb scumread mocsta and sandroba. I told her last game when we were mafia together, that it doesnt matter even if she scumreads me, because she is relatively new and doesnt have thread pull anyways so she doesnt have to worry about her scum mates, someone else is going to decide the lynch(es) anyways. Also her scumread on mocsta was basically "there is something fishy going on with mocsta and sandroba!!!" which doesnt really mean anything. | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:32 AlphaZero wrote: its kind of expected from both alignments, really want to see rayn work on unpacking sandro and dmb filter if he is town. Thats actually nottrue. Go read last game played on this site. What is there to unpack? You know i dont believe in "this mafia dude said this so it makes some other person mafia", because its fucking stupid and i sbuse it myself A LOT when i am mafia, just because people are stypid enough to velieve that... If there is anything to unpack its that i am town from sandrobas filter D2. | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:55 AlphaZero wrote: Why do you think dmb did not read you as anything?? The fuck do i know??? | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:56 AlphaZero wrote: Like she avoided talking about your alignment. Rayn who is the last mafia betweeen Scott and Mocsta if you are town we don’t lose even if we mislynch you here. If youre lynching me withyour vote then you. | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:46 Mocsta wrote: Wouldn't have picked that up as you seemed to be in us timezone? Cool cool and hello . I'm not actually if we have played together as town/town before? I don't think we helped each other much at the start. I dunno how obs view it but I reckon it's actually been a good town game in the end (note: not great or a benchmark game) In my eyes, the fundamental challenge appears to have been heavily splintered factions that just could not align or collaborate. Every one harbouring a perceived fugitive lol And then.. If vivax had not fucked around in the masons. Trfel wouldn't have freaked out with him and dmb would have been lynched. Do you, DP, of all the people find a problem with this post, a problem that is EXACTLY what i am trying to argue about Mocsta? | ||
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On June 20 2024 22:13 Mocsta wrote: I believe rayn believes this about my play regardless of alignment Then why am i mafia???? | ||
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On June 20 2024 22:27 Mocsta wrote: I wonder if this was ever answered Damn good call out too I asked vivax to talk to me about those people. Snadroba an you because i believed you are mafia, DP because Vivax has a good eye for DP. | ||
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On June 20 2024 22:24 Mocsta wrote: Ohh #5286 I'm just waiting now for rayn to tell me I'm following thread sentiment lol Go on Trumpet distort rinse and repeat Lets wait for what DP says shall we? | ||
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Mocsta if you are town, you are going to lose if you lynch me an scott is town. There will be absolutely no way scott is going to vote for him next day, hes gonna out-argue you. I really have to go now... i will be back later. | ||
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On June 21 2024 00:08 AlphaZero wrote: here is the thing, Rayn is not helping to solve the game any further than the part about him not dying. This is simply not true. I have made a case on Mocsta, i am pushing my case on Mocsta, even when noone is listening to me. That has been everything i have done this phase, regardless of when everyone disagrees with me. How in the hell is that rayn is just trying to not get lynched??? Night kills point to Rayn and away from mocsta me and scott. Bad argument, but okay, if you wanna talk about night kills. N1 marvellosity: there is simply no reason why marv being killed should point towards ANYONE in the game. Every single mafia team in this game has a reasonable reason to kill marv. Every... Single... One... N2 Oatsmaster: Oats townread me more than any of you three, 100% true and certain every time in this game!!! Claiming that N2 kill points to rayn is just absurd as fuck. N3 Trfel: The only people this night kill does NOT point towards, is me and you. Because Koshi was roleblocked N3, neither you or me would be stupid enough to read Koshi as blue but NOT read Koshi as PC with a check on DMB + Slam. I fucked that up, i guess you fucked that up too, not realising he was blue. Mafia however definitely thought he is blue, because they roleblocked him. Mocsta mumbles something about jailkeeper yadda yadda when every smart person knows there is no jailkeeper in the game. If he genuinely believed that, then he genuinely could have been avoiding JK. Scott can make that kill with dmb too, because i dont even know what scott is doing anymore. So that kill also, points away from me (as well as you). N4 Koshi: you really think killing a claimed parity cop points to anyone? Are you high or what. So, which night kills point towards me and "away from other people"??? I am starting to find it very hard to believe you are actually making these claims as town. rayn did weird shit trying to avoid lynching the red check. This is simply NAI. First of all i did never ever believe i will get Mocsta lynched over basically confirmed mafia (which dmb even wasn't -- everyone was taking MY word on Slam being town -- including you and Koshi). I simply did it for the following reasons: 1) Second game to last, VE got almost lynched over red checked Oats (lol). I imitated the stupid town sentiment (no mafia voting for VE there -- only townies), which hilariously enough i would have believed if i was in game still 2) There was a chance scott will do something stupid if he is mafia. Sure, very tight chance like 1%, but there is just nothing to lose there. 3) At the time i thought dmb, mocsta and scott contain 2 mafia. Didn't care in which order we lynch them all. Rayn did not do smart town rayn things. Untrue. I have done many smart rayn things: 1) figured out you are DP N1. 2) questioned why scott didnt die D1 if you and marv are both town (i might be WRONG but you yourself said it is smart) 3) single handedly pushed sandroba lynch when everyone was on vivax and saying "wow when sandroba posts he is so town" 4) figured out and told you and koshi slam is town, which ended up in dmb lynch ultimately (because koshi thought slam is more likely to be mafia before me convincing him) Rayn is mafia. IF you really believe that, then have fun on the final day, because i will make sure you are gonna get lynched!! Like the fact he even casts any doubt on my alignment here proves it. It just feels like the last two phases he is trying to not get lynched but surely by this late in the game he can make a convicing case on mafia if he is town. Trying to not get lynched by "voting another person than "confirmed" mafia? Clear contradiction there DP!!! Trying to not get lynched by "telling everyone Mocsta is mafia AGAINST ALL THE ODDS in the world atm"? That's how you perceive "trying to not get lynched"? I've made a case, now i am starting to doubt it because you look fucking scummier by every single post you make in this thread. You dont refute any of my arguments, you dont see anything scummy in Mocsta's play (while saying "we have all been doing scummy stuff" -- which is btw wrong, i have not been doing scummy stuff because i am not scum. By fucking definition i cannot be doing scummy stuff if i am town!!!). You simply agree with everything Mocsta says when almost everything is stupid stuff that doesnt even make any sense at all. His voting record is definiteyl the scummiest of the players left in the game. I will come back to that a bit later. You not being able to see that.... i don't know what is worse, him doing that or you not seeing him doing that. You literally can't even see why his voting on D3 is scummy as shit while YOU SHOULD BE the first person to realise why it is!!!!! Somehow you just simply ignore all of it. Is it because you just want to get a lynch? but he is just not doing it. I hope this doesn't blow up in my face like the vivax lynch. But here we are. Bullshit as explained above. I hope this blows up in your fucking face whatever alignment you are. Yeah, here we are DP. | ||
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On June 21 2024 00:16 AlphaZero wrote: I’m also sheeping koshi who thought Rayn was mafia and who is good at reading Rayn, many dead townies had town reads on Me, Mocsta and Scott, and slam is confirmed town. Koshi thought i was mafia because i did not vote to lynch DMB D3. I already have made post why i made my ultimate decision. Like Koshi literally got mad at me because i didn't realise he is blue. If Koshi knew you are DP, you would have the same treatment 100% of the time, every time, and you know it. That's literally ALL Koshi's scumread on me!!! Everything else is construed over that fact because until N3 we were best buddies, he just didn't read why i ended up voting on Vivax. I masoned him because i wanted to clear that up but he was so fucking tunneled he just started telling me i am mafia and asking "why are you trying to look like youre town now?" and shit like that so i waited at first, then at some point i just ended up closing whole discord because i didnt wanna read that shit anymore. That's ALL Koshi's "case" on me is. Also Koshi is NOT good at reading me. Every game i am town he thinks i am mafia. | ||
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I dont care about D1 because who cares, if Mocsta is mafia he voted for one of the townies, if Mocsta is town he genuinely believed Kelsier is a better lynch than scott, so thats completely NAI. D2 Mocsta literally said "rayn is mafia with one of sandroba/DMB", votes for me, tries to build a wagon on me. When Trfel switches to sandroba, Mocsta starts building up who sandroba can be mafia with (which doesnt make sense since rayn is the main guy behind that wagon, and he thinks rayn is mafia 100%). Only conclusion is that he wants to look good in Trfel's eyes -- or rayn is bussing. Then, when sandroba flips, he starts calling me town. Can you guys realise how scummy this actually is????? How can Mocsta have those thoughts in his head 1) if sandroba is mafia rayn is bussing 2) when sandroba flips rayn was not bussing anymore (because town). This is literally the scummiest thing anyone has done in this game including sandroba and dmb. D3 there is a big wagon on DMB by Koshi. Trfel starts deviating from that into vivax. Now here is a post from Mocsta that i tried to get DP's opinion, which he never gave ofc, because noone wants to actually talk with me this game... This is what Mocsta says: And then.. If vivax had not fucked around in the masons. Trfel wouldn't have freaked out with him and dmb would have been lynched. Ironically this is the ONLY time Mocsta has deviated from what Trfel wants. He even acknowledged that sandroba can be mafia based against everything he himself believed D2. Keep in mind that the lynch is DMB (mafia) here, and Trfel is starting a wagon on vivax. Now this is actually very smart play from mafia Mocsta. People might not be confident in lynching Vivax over DMB, but people for sure are confident in taking part of wagons on either Vivax OR DP. So he pushes a wagon on DP. He does not criticize the switch from DMB, he does not criticize the vivax wagon, he just builds another wagon on DP. And this is beneficial for him as mafia because of what i just said above, Vivax alone would not gain that much support to switch from DMB (who Mocsta apparently thinks is mafia), but TWO wagon for certain do, because i can't think of a person in the game at that point who does not have a scumread or reasonable doubt on EITHER vivax OR dp!!! Mocsta; All game every vote sheeping Trfel except when it is to lynch sandroba or lynch DMB. And why the fuck does DP not understand this? Every smart person should understand this, most of all him, because he is the TARGET of Mocsta's here!!! But no, why the fuck do you not see this DP? | ||
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On June 21 2024 00:14 Mocsta wrote: Vivax lynch was different circumstances Again. If he didn't piss off trfel it wouldn't have happened It was closer to a policy lynch than scum lunch. Shit happens during last minute swaps Yeah and you went from mafia lynch to not doing that mafia lynch but building another wagon, instead of saying "no trfel, we are not lynching vivax, we are lynching dmb". | ||
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On June 13 2024 21:08 AlphaZero wrote: It’s weird because it felt contrived and over explained. It pinged me at the time, which is why I remembered it. Nothing fake about that. The point is, why does Sandro have to be explain in depth like that to rule out a potential mislynch, he doesn’t need to do it to also vote someone else. Scott was not a viable lynch day two. Even I had dropped it. So it’s misleading to say that he must do call Scott town to do something else. Mafia do not just hand out free town reads to townies, let alone put that effort into doing so. So why did mafia do that? Mocsta today made a post about this, that is 100% the opposite of what you are saying here. Why are you agreeing with each other again? Who is stupid, who is lying? | ||
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On June 21 2024 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam before the day end (preferrably soon) you need to tell me what DP is telling you in the mason QT. I really need to know that up until this point to make a decision to leave the town my will. basically if dp is faking his scumread on me on parts, he is probably town if he really thinks i am mafia, he is probably mafia | ||
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idk what i have done so that i am mafia, because i refute all the arguments i have heard, noone has a counter to my refuting argument, they just keep repeating the same argument again. I simply just don't know what i can do anymore. Do i am just gonna call DP mafia because he is supposed to be reasonable about this and he isn't. | ||
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rayn: slam is mafia because he didnt vote for dmb slam: but rayn, i did vote for dmb, look here is the post rayn: lol no you did not vote for dmb, also you keep saying that so you are not trying to solve the game just keep repeating bad arguments everyone else: good point rayn, vote slam i am genuinely lost, what do i do here? | ||
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Now i am not a stupid townie here, so start making the case on me again by answering all that shit. Everyone else DO NOT LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!! | ||
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More stuff for me for next game. But do not let DP off the kooh next day. He should know i am not mafia. Maybe lylo he could make an argument on that, not now. Lynch with fire. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:12 Mocsta wrote: My main take away is that you think scott is 100% town If the game continues i will bear that in mind Yes I was pocketed by sandroba. He came back to the game and spoke about stuff important to me when most of what l saw was nonsense. You were lurking or not around and can't understand. Oats/trfel/az and me were the only things moving the game after marv died. That's my take and I don't care if you disagree. I just don't view how AZ has played as pocketing me in the sense that we have been seesawing since d1 He has stood up for me in two moments, one small and one big when I just see no value to mafia alphazero doing so. If anything breaking his last read on me. He could have easily wagoned me yet didn't. Feel free to have a crack and explain that to me. I'm not professing to be good or great. I only point out that the single person downplaying my filter as sheep is you.and only you all game, flipped town said the opposite. How can you read be so out of sync even if doing just a dive. Where do you feel like you would have been lynched if AZ wagoned you? | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:12 Mocsta wrote: Oats/trfel/az and me were the only things moving the game after marv died. That's my take and I don't care if you disagree. I also genuinley disagree with this because me and Koshi were the only things that got sandroba lynched D2. | ||
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This is what happened. When Vivax was wagoned with all the people in the world, sandroba started posting again. I, immediately after reading sandrobas posts told AZ that "I dont think case on Vivax is good. Not gonna say it in thread yet. Whats also alarming is almost everyone jumping on it.." and then, "Sandroba is not impressive." I then, go full lengths of telling him why 1) sandroba is mafia, 2) Koshi is town (he thought koshi is mafia). I also tell him that i think he is DP and because he is DP he is mafia. He says yeah DP, no mafia. I say fine lets talk. We have good talk. Idk Mocsta, call it me "townbashing myself", but this all happened. Maybe i could this as mafia? Maybe. Should DP believe it, even when i don't kill him any night (if i am mafia)? I think no. | ||
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I can always argue about why someone else did that. Just look at last game, never ever i do that night kill. If there is anything i can always argue when i am town, no matter how fucking bad or stupid i have been, is that these night kills are not mine. I never shoot Oats. I never shoot Trfel over Koshi. Never. Ever. In my life. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn you have said before in post games that you would keep me alive when you are mafia because you think you can sell good to me. Why did you flail around trying to not lynch the red check last phase? Why is Scott 100 percent town? That read feels like it’s convenient for you to try and get a counter wagon to form on me. Why are you changing your Mocsta scum read onto me? Like this is all classically scummy shit you are doing the last two days and you should know it. I dont care DP. Why are these all kills my night kills? IDGAF if you think i am mafia, other than that you should not. I think youre mafia because you cannot even aknowledge ANY thing mocsta has done as scummy, when it definitely is. That why i am changing, well i am waffling. "classically scummy shit" my ass.... scott is town because everything points out to either you or mocsta being mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:43 AlphaZero wrote: To me there is a clear desperation for you to live. But not to solve the game after. That is scummy cause it aligns with mafia win condition. So you should probably just make a bunch of posts that help the town at mylo in the case you are town. But really I haven’t heard anything compelling from you in that area. And that is why you are mafia.  | ||
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Neither of them is even reading my posts, let alone arguing against them. It is kind of funny though. Because one of them has to be town lol. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:41 AlphaZero wrote: Also koshi said you were scummy in your mason chat. That is more than just you didn’t vote dmb. yeah all koshi said is that i ma mafia in our mason chat. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are these all kills my night kills DP? . | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:55 Mocsta wrote: well several factors going through mind at that time 1) DMB wagon collapsed, whats the alternative 2) I don't trust my reads this game, Trfel wants Vivax -> I have been town and scum reading him all game. Feels like lottery draw 3) I dont want a lottery draw, I'm going to stick it on AZ who i did scum read 4) AZ does not OMGUS and instead doesnt know what to do with his vote either 5) I recognise this confusion and have an epiphany. I just dont see it being baked in the moment by scum. Maybe feels different with posts, but in real life, the timings are all 5-10-20s apart. 6) Without AZ, i backed trfel to a majority and took a punt with Vivax. I firmly believe Trfel would not have even been viewing vivax as a wagon that day if it were not for the mason longs. Trfel outted his frustration multiple times. Of course he would not. Is it reasonable though, for Koshi to blame me for not lynching DMB that day??? Which both of you and AZ are arguing. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote: whoah. that is a slip and a half i genuinely have work meetings im going to be back about 1hr before lynch im willing to read with open eyes from comes out of this conversation. that one is pretty bad and hard to ignore what do you mean? i am sorry i dont even know anymore because i see a thing one way and everyone sees it completely other way. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote: I’m town. I just don’t think I achieve anything arguing against you here. Sure you wont. I feel likewise. I have however been trying to make conversation, and to make you explain your views, give my own views to them, which obviously contradict with yours. Our difference is, that i am saying "no, this is not what i did --> THIS is what i did", your responses are either no response at all, or calling me mafia for the same thing again with no response.... Same with the stuff on why i find you mafia. You have no response on anything, why you did the stuff i find scummy about you. I tell you, look this stuff from mocsta is really scummy, you respond "no mocsta is very town, you are more scummy". What is that response even?? It's been going on long enough, i can only assume you're not trying to actually figure out my alignment, you are throwing shit on me to lynch me. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:07 AlphaZero wrote: I just want to know why you think Scott is 100 percent town now Rayn. because there is no fucking way both you and mocsta are town. simply just no way. i refuse to believe it. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:09 AlphaZero wrote: Well it’s kind of true. I do want to lynch you . I Think you are mafia and nothing you have done makes me Think you are not mafia. see this is the gist. i still dont really know why you think i am mafia :D | ||
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Mocsta knows why i think he is mafia Both of them refute the arguments with "but rayn is mafia, but we dont tell why". | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:14 AlphaZero wrote: What happened to the read based on me telling you to go to sleep. That made me lock town 24 hours ago? it disappeared when you started saying stupid shit when it started to matter. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:12 AlphaZero wrote: Usually you make a case as town that makes a lot of sense and nails the mafia. The case on kocsta is not it and hasn’t really changed for three phases. Mocsta thinks rayn is 100% mafia. sandroba is mafia with rayn. Sandroba flips mafia. Mocsta thinks rayn is town. Explain from town pov? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:18 AlphaZero wrote: Maybe it’s confirmation bias but what I see is: Fail to get traction on Mocsta wagon. Town read Scott and then try and scum read Scott’s top scum read all game to form another counter wagon . Despite fucking wanting to lynch Mocsta over a red check last phase. that's so fucking bad DP.... you have to know that's so fucking bad.. | ||
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it is very simple. I scum read Mocsta. You post stupid shit, you dont try to explain why i am wrong on my read, you dont try to get me anywhere, you just tell me i am mafia over and over again for no reason. You agree with Mocsta on everything, even the stuff that should make you scumread him even a little bit. But no, it is just rayn is mafia because what.. Koshi said so and no smart stuff... Sure there is no smart stuff when you have to lynch me and you dont wanna make enemies. Why are you bringing up Mocsta over red check last phase? I think even Mocsta can understand that (since he is not using it against me). Why are you using all the stupid shit against me? All the stuff i have already answered. What is my mafia motivation to lynch Mocsta over DMB last phase? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:27 AlphaZero wrote: If Mocsta is town then you get a nice lylo with a parity cop check between slam and dmb. really, is my play with dmb that we are gonna lynch slam???? without knowing koshi is actually the parity cop, evidenced by night kill. really that's your point? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:28 AlphaZero wrote: You not just doing the smart play and lynching the red check is fucking fatal. I can never think you are town after that. Maybe I am bad. So be it. This i can understand from town pov. Unfortunately it didn't came out earlier, for you. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:30 AlphaZero wrote: Fuck off Rayn he said he wa parity cop before he flipped. Then you get a nice lylo where we can’t confirm 100 percent which check is mafia and which is town. That is mafia agenda He said he was parity cop on the day we lynched dmb, and i put my vote on mocsta. what are you trying to argue? that people would go with me over claimed cop? or what? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:31 AlphaZero wrote: Unlike you I literally do not give a fuck if I am lynched here. Cause I think the game is solved. ah using the argument you called me mafia for. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:34 AlphaZero wrote: I’m explaining why not lynching red check dmb was mafia agenda. Which you should know already why exactly was it mafia agenda? explain, because i have not seen that. note that dmb was not even red check. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:27 AlphaZero wrote: If Mocsta is town then you get a nice lylo with a parity cop check between slam and dmb. No DP, this is all bad shit. If i get Mocsta lynched and he flips town, then the red check DMB is gonna get lynched 100% of the time next day, and then rayn is gonna get lynched 1000000% next day... Everyone knows this, we dont get "nice lylo", we are fucked because i voted against a cop check i allowed lol :D You may not wanna talk with me, fine. So your vote is wasted. Maybe the best thing is to vote for you. Not really looking good for you. | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: No DP, this is all bad shit. If i get Mocsta lynched and he flips town, then the red check DMB is gonna get lynched 100% of the time next day, and then rayn is gonna get lynched 1000000% next day... Everyone knows this, we dont get "nice lylo", we are fucked because i voted against a cop check i allowed lol :D You may not wanna talk with me, fine. So your vote is wasted. Maybe the best thing is to vote for you. Not really looking good for you. Mocsta do you believe this? | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:55 scott31337 wrote: I've been quiet because I'm not really sure what to say. Rayn thinks Scott town Mocsta mafia maybe AZ/DP Mocsta thinks rayn mafia But if rayn flips town - then what? Slam thinks Rayn mafia and then me/Scott AZ thinks relatively the same I believe I mean I don't know what to do or say I really want rayn to be mafia and then it's GG If he's not though I suspect AZ will go after me tomorrow Ugg scott what is your opinion on all this? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:52 AlphaZero wrote: why not lynch slam? you can argue your way out of anything. really, your argument is that i did that shit to lynch slam??????????? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:56 AlphaZero wrote: No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit. And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW. Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently. same goes to you bud. yeah i had "lock mocsta read". i dont anymore. is that scummy for you? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:56 AlphaZero wrote: No i think you did it because there were angles to win this phase. Mafia always want to rush this shit. And if you are trying to convince me of something, incorrectly calling me mafia is not it. FWIW. Your "lock mocsta read" was piss in the wind apparently. how am i rushing this shit? | ||
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On June 21 2024 08:59 AlphaZero wrote: Yes cause you wanted to vote him over a red check last phase. point it to me like i was five. if it somehow miraculously happened that we lynched mocsta over dmb, how would it change the course of the game? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:01 AlphaZero wrote: Feel free to try and lynch me. I really don't care at this point. the game isn't fun or engaging when i just have to argue with you in circles. You are trying to win the argument, not solve. therefore, you are mafia. and now i am gonna say AtE. fuck you for saying that shit when i have gone through your arguments on me being mafia, and then your response is that i am just mafia for the same arguments again and not telling why my response is bad. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote: then its 2-3 we have two people who could be mafia Slam and DMB we have me and scott and who have called each other mafia all game there are chances that we decide to lynch slam over dmb, there are chances that I try to lynch scott, or scott tries to lynch me, and all you need is for one townie to fuck up at the end. So yeah, seems fairly mafia aligned to me. so you really claim you believe this? | ||
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i dont have the words to argue. i dont think this argument has anything about semantics, but DP is gonna make it look like it is. It is simply just i have argued my case(s), he hasn't argued against them. Yet he calls me mafia, or my cases bad. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:18 AlphaZero wrote: it would be more helpful if you can town case scott for me. you or mocsta is mafia. that's my town case. | ||
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2) DP brushes off all the cases, all the points i make on anyone. Whatever i say he does not say "here, rayn, you are wrong", instead he says "no rayn, this is why you are mafia". then he claims -- again -- that i am not trying to solve, but just looking for lynch, which is ridiculous in the first place. 3) DP cant tell why i am mafia. All the exact points he has made, i have refuted. Yet he keeps refreshing points that can't be answered. DP is mafia. | ||
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5) refuses to look at any points i make on mocsta. literally any points, while some of those should be definitely at least interesting for him. | ||
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On June 21 2024 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is simply not true. I have made a case on Mocsta, i am pushing my case on Mocsta, even when noone is listening to me. That has been everything i have done this phase, regardless of when everyone disagrees with me. How in the hell is that rayn is just trying to not get lynched??? Bad argument, but okay, if you wanna talk about night kills. N1 marvellosity: there is simply no reason why marv being killed should point towards ANYONE in the game. Every single mafia team in this game has a reasonable reason to kill marv. Every... Single... One... N2 Oatsmaster: Oats townread me more than any of you three, 100% true and certain every time in this game!!! Claiming that N2 kill points to rayn is just absurd as fuck. N3 Trfel: The only people this night kill does NOT point towards, is me and you. Because Koshi was roleblocked N3, neither you or me would be stupid enough to read Koshi as blue but NOT read Koshi as PC with a check on DMB + Slam. I fucked that up, i guess you fucked that up too, not realising he was blue. Mafia however definitely thought he is blue, because they roleblocked him. Mocsta mumbles something about jailkeeper yadda yadda when every smart person knows there is no jailkeeper in the game. If he genuinely believed that, then he genuinely could have been avoiding JK. Scott can make that kill with dmb too, because i dont even know what scott is doing anymore. So that kill also, points away from me (as well as you). N4 Koshi: you really think killing a claimed parity cop points to anyone? Are you high or what. So, which night kills point towards me and "away from other people"??? I am starting to find it very hard to believe you are actually making these claims as town. This is simply NAI. First of all i did never ever believe i will get Mocsta lynched over basically confirmed mafia (which dmb even wasn't -- everyone was taking MY word on Slam being town -- including you and Koshi). I simply did it for the following reasons: 1) Second game to last, VE got almost lynched over red checked Oats (lol). I imitated the stupid town sentiment (no mafia voting for VE there -- only townies), which hilariously enough i would have believed if i was in game still 2) There was a chance scott will do something stupid if he is mafia. Sure, very tight chance like 1%, but there is just nothing to lose there. 3) At the time i thought dmb, mocsta and scott contain 2 mafia. Didn't care in which order we lynch them all. Untrue. I have done many smart rayn things: 1) figured out you are DP N1. 2) questioned why scott didnt die D1 if you and marv are both town (i might be WRONG but you yourself said it is smart) 3) single handedly pushed sandroba lynch when everyone was on vivax and saying "wow when sandroba posts he is so town" 4) figured out and told you and koshi slam is town, which ended up in dmb lynch ultimately (because koshi thought slam is more likely to be mafia before me convincing him) IF you really believe that, then have fun on the final day, because i will make sure you are gonna get lynched!! Trying to not get lynched by "voting another person than "confirmed" mafia? Clear contradiction there DP!!! Trying to not get lynched by "telling everyone Mocsta is mafia AGAINST ALL THE ODDS in the world atm"? That's how you perceive "trying to not get lynched"? I've made a case, now i am starting to doubt it because you look fucking scummier by every single post you make in this thread. You dont refute any of my arguments, you dont see anything scummy in Mocsta's play (while saying "we have all been doing scummy stuff" -- which is btw wrong, i have not been doing scummy stuff because i am not scum. By fucking definition i cannot be doing scummy stuff if i am town!!!). You simply agree with everything Mocsta says when almost everything is stupid stuff that doesnt even make any sense at all. His voting record is definiteyl the scummiest of the players left in the game. I will come back to that a bit later. You not being able to see that.... i don't know what is worse, him doing that or you not seeing him doing that. You literally can't even see why his voting on D3 is scummy as shit while YOU SHOULD BE the first person to realise why it is!!!!! Somehow you just simply ignore all of it. Is it because you just want to get a lynch? Bullshit as explained above. I hope this blows up in your fucking face whatever alignment you are. Yeah, here we are DP. | ||
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Trying to not get lynched by "telling everyone Mocsta is mafia AGAINST ALL THE ODDS in the world atm"? That's how you perceive "trying to not get lynched"? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: So, which night kills point towards me and "away from other people"??? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:37 AlphaZero wrote: im done, i am not arguing anymore. Maybe I am bad but i can't see you as town now. I am sorry if you are, in fact, town. what have i done to make you feel that way? | ||
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its okay if you think i am mafia, i am pushing you anyways | ||
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You never answered those. Yet you kept calling me mafia, while those posts were important to you, in why i am mafia. Surely you should have an easy time telling where i am lying there? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:43 AlphaZero wrote: I already told you. 1.) not lynching the red check and acting really fucking weird that phase. wow, i really mean it's the only thing i can say here. 2.) shitty case on me and dropping the mocsta read that was the 'town' justification for acting weird in point 1. doesnt matter unless you explain why it is shitty, it's not 3.) Your cases suck, see the latest post on me. yeah see above, you can do better than try to fuck me over in two points that are the same.. 4.) the way that sandro and DMB approached your alignment, DMB did not read you as anything and barely interacted with you at all, despite being directly asked. Sandro lumped you and DMB in null pools or mafia pools when it was likely he would flip. shitty point, because i cannot affect that. if you feel like it, okay. sandroba was all in lynching me D2. If you have any other view of his filter, please go ahead. 5.) the fact that you don't seem to see the game the way that I do. stupid point that does not mean anything 6.) the approach you took to this phase, which seems to me about finding a viable counter wagon rather than leaving town in a good position post your 'green' flip. You realise how scummy this sounds? So like i am town ONLY if i accept myself being lynched? Yeah DP, not gonna happen, maybe you predicted it but no. 7.) calling me mafia when you should know there are at least a dozen things I have done this game that I would not do if I was mafia in this spot, not least of which is revealling the identity of my main account, when all that can do is INCREASE suspicions on me. yes well, same can be said about me, so are we both townie or scummy? also you revealing doesnt mean shit because i revealed you, D2 to you, and now to others, why do you make it an alignment indicative thing?? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:47 AlphaZero wrote: Yeah I am not answering stuff from you, I am not going to get dragged into a massive argument with you on your terms when I think you are mafia, that will only help you. I get that but then youre still telling me to scumhunt when i cant talk with people.... Fucking insane... | ||
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I have been rude? Anything like that? Why don't people want to talk with me? | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:53 AlphaZero wrote: come off it, I could have lied and said I was not DP and then what? then it would mean nothing and I would be less suspect for that. The fact you posted it in the thread in order to stir suspicion after promising not to is also something I think you not do as town. no then we would lynch you and me and town wins. | ||
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lynch DP. | ||
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Scott, put up your game. Youre now up for both of those fuckheads lynch list. | ||
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BOTH OF YOU! | ||
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It is really stupid. At least please play now when you decided to play. | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:59 AlphaZero wrote: Lol what a slip. I thought I was mafia, why would we lynch you after me? LOOOOOL yeah i scumslipped, carry on. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:00 AlphaZero wrote: btw I could have lied to you about my main account, that's what i am saying. haha no | ||
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i am thinking of things to tell slam. Look how dp progresses mocsta read, it is weird on both sides but like.... only one is mafia. They both town read each other, why? It should be no way they do. DP never calls Mocsta mafia of anything i do, is is right call or mafia call? | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:05 AlphaZero wrote: ill fill you in Rayn, slam thinks scott is mafia. and i dont give a fuck | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:10 AlphaZero wrote: No I can assure you, if you are town, I am that bad. dont give a fuck, you are done already, i am only voting for you ever in this universe, take that at it is. | ||
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people who are not content with that are afk | ||
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AZ, lynch AZ. Slam lynch AZ, you will see i am toiwn lynch AZ,,,,, | ||
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DP will never have me mafia here if town. Never, dont believe him. | ||
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so, which of you DP and Mocsta is? my bet is DP atm | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:29 Mocsta wrote: rayn.. a real question aside from slam replace question why is slam not a godfather? it is all about replace question me and koshi entertained him being mafia, he folded (for no reason) it is shitty, but like... idk then i asked him if he is blue, and apparently i get scumread for that too?? i onlydid thta because if slam was mafia he would more likely claim blue than ragequit, so 100% green | ||
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hilarious if i am lynched. Murder DP in lylo!!"!! | ||
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Slam, you shoulöd know i am not mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:35 AlphaZero wrote: im actually scared rayn is town and im going to be mislynched in lylo. Like i know that is the point of what he is doing when he is mafia, but fuck its working. yeah yeah you think i am mafia fuck you-. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is just pushing this when he can. Slam, you shoulöd know i am not mafia. i never whiknight you there for koshi, nbever as mafia | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:37 AlphaZero wrote: why is it offensive if you think I am mafia? youre scum calling me mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:39 AlphaZero wrote: is it going to be really funny or really tragic if we both end up as town and imploding lylo -1 you never refuted ANY of my arguments, just kept calling me mafia, It is easy. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote: did you explain why it cant be scott? i dunon so much flurry over past 10-15pages. im not really sure what has / hasnt been said im still at work too so only skim reading. I think you and DP are more likely to be mafia, so basically PoE, | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:41 Alakaslam wrote: I am at work but I just remembered I must vote, hijole vote or DP, or vote for me. | ||
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##Vote: Scott31337 I guess i dont have an option anyways | ||
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yeah, he is not as town as i am for myself though | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) DP is trying to tell me need to solve the game if i am town. yet everything i do is mafia, he doesnt think scott is town so me having a town read on scott is scummy? he doesnt think mocsta is mafia so anything i ever say on mocsta goes unlabeled, just because rayn is mafia and mocsta is town. what am i supposed to do in his mind if i am town? He is not really keeping an open mind as he claims, about the alignments of people. 2) DP brushes off all the cases, all the points i make on anyone. Whatever i say he does not say "here, rayn, you are wrong", instead he says "no rayn, this is why you are mafia". then he claims -- again -- that i am not trying to solve, but just looking for lynch, which is ridiculous in the first place. 3) DP cant tell why i am mafia. All the exact points he has made, i have refuted. Yet he keeps refreshing points that can't be answered. DP is mafia. On June 21 2024 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4) from all our QT, from all the night kills, from all the NON-night kills, DP should have a reasonable doubt that i am mafia. yet he claims the exact opposite. 5) refuses to look at any points i make on mocsta. literally any points, while some of those should be definitely at least interesting for him. On June 21 2024 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4) and 5) are the biggest points, because they are actually in thread, and he never answered those things when i gave my response | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:59 AlphaZero wrote: I’m sorry if I am mislynching you here Rayn I will admit I am bad in that case nah its okay | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:03 iamperfection wrote: so why did you kill trfel instead of koshi because i was stupid as shit and i was doing something else than playing mafia.... | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:04 Grackaroni wrote: I think you would have won if you had sided with Koshi on DMB. i did? | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: GG why did you kill me rayn (I thought you were blue for whatever reason, i was genuinely super busy and that was definitely a mistake haha ^^ | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:12 rsoultin wrote: i'm so glad you were town <3 ppl kept saying you weren't and i was making a sad face cause you kept giving me the town feels so i scumread him FOR A REASON! sorry mocsta | ||
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