/in Someone already took "Alakaslam" on Ubisoft. What the fuck. I've been Alakaslam and googled the username since like, 2013 or maybe longer and then this shit?
Course I haven't had any ubisoft titles until now so maybe I inspired someone lol. I guess I will take AlakaS.L.A.M. there. But I prefer some subtlety...
1. Shaman's village theme 2. Overworld theme 3. Walled city of the Techno-Union theme 4. Winged Harpy gang at the foothills of the Great Mountain fight theme 5. Ugly Sexy Fat Hag of the mountain fight theme 6. Tuxedo Daemon's shop theme 7. Purchased Skysplitter Sword from Tuxedo Daemon jingle 8. We defeated Lord Chupazi celebrate theme 9. This is still high score.
Don't tell me some video title bullshit I didn't drink Cabwrnet Sauvignon for nothing
Yeah I didn't leave room for your complaints, "where is the Lord Chupaxi fight theme, slamstupid?
"OK fine slam but a 'Lord' needs a castle no? You gonna tell me there is no theme there? (Autocorrect doing the most lol I am quite slicked) Ok sloshed there it work
Lord chupazi castle theme
I can find all the time follon for this storh so but the fucn up
On June 07 2024 11:23 Trfel wrote: Oh right, I forgot that because I moved, the deadline is at a different time
Anyway, we seem to have some issues in our good town. Specifically, people decided to confirm in the thread, despite a lack of direction to do so by the host. This indicates that these people are easily swayed by the actions of others, even without any factual basis. It is very important for us to eliminate these people immediately, because even if they are not mafia, they are clearly susceptible to being influenced and controlled by others.
On June 07 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote: Vivax gets points for commenting on scott31337 but loses points for his comment on Oatsmaster, unless he can back it up.
AlphaZero gets points for commenting on scott31337 but loses points for saying Vivax looks good, because Vivax lost points for saying Oatsmaster had a good vibe when that isn't really substantiated.
On June 07 2024 14:58 Trfel wrote: Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have?
On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote: Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.
I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird.
To me, this is a protracted version of the same read.
I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel.
On June 08 2024 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tingling voice in my head sas lynch marv
Wtf what changed between wanting Rayn to lynch Sandroba with you to this? I don't see any argumentation or significant post from Sandroba to warrant such a change?
On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote: So far I like rayn and trfel as town.
So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?!
Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town.
you stole my story
who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott?
i'm bored of the scott conversation
I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean
what are you talking about regarding me?
You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain
On June 08 2024 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hiya Slam how is Chupazi? July, Finland or mafia?
I am effort going to Poland and will try to get to Finland for sure! Dunno if the group I am going to Poland with is going to require me to take the same return flight tho.
Is it hard to get to Helsinki from Warsaw?
Ehhhhh this should be in discord actually lol will hyu after
On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote: So far I like rayn and trfel as town.
So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?!
Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town.
you stole my story
who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott?
i'm bored of the scott conversation
I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean
what are you talking about regarding me?
You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain
I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that.
Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town.
@Alakaslam, it looks like you are posting as you catch up, but just in case that isn't true, here is the post you said you wanted to see.
I also bring this up to make a point about Kelsi3r. Raynpelikoneet does a very nice job of explaining how he can think someone is town due a read he doesn't agree with. My point though, is, see how it requires a meaningful explanation? Like without the explanation, it doesn't make sense. I can kinda understand Kelsi3r townreading AlphaZero for his scott31337 post, but I really can't understand townreading rsoultin for being interested in AlphaZero's scott31337 post. If he had an explanation that made it make sense I'd consider it, but he doesn't, his explanation is pretty weak imo, and not at all insightful.
It's not that what Kelsi3r did is inherently scummy, it's that the way he went about it doesn't make sense.
Ty m8 I did notice that. Turns out I was addressing Rsoultin with something Raynpelikoneet had said lol
On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote: So far I like rayn and trfel as town.
So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?!
Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town.
you stole my story
who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott?
i'm bored of the scott conversation
I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean
what are you talking about regarding me?
You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain
I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that.
Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town.
@Alakaslam, it looks like you are posting as you catch up, but just in case that isn't true, here is the post you said you wanted to see.
I also bring this up to make a point about Kelsi3r. Raynpelikoneet does a very nice job of explaining how he can think someone is town due a read he doesn't agree with. My point though, is, see how it requires a meaningful explanation? Like without the explanation, it doesn't make sense. I can kinda understand Kelsi3r townreading AlphaZero for his scott31337 post, but I really can't understand townreading rsoultin for being interested in AlphaZero's scott31337 post. If he had an explanation that made it make sense I'd consider it, but he doesn't, his explanation is pretty weak imo, and not at all insightful.
It's not that what Kelsi3r did is inherently scummy, it's that the way he went about it doesn't make sense.
you need to drop this shit
It cannot be addressed?
I mean, maybe it doesn't need to be as it hasn't convinced me but I am definitely not the rubric for any town's collective understandings . . .
On June 10 2024 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: I no longer think Marv is mafia
Why did you?
You looked like you had tmi on me being town.
Why would you be upset with a mafia suspect being as shittily absent as I have been? So I assumed you knew I was town.
Only one way to know (as a player) that an unflipped player is town
Evidence for this?
Literally my only reasoning for calling you town was that rayn did.
Explain yourself?!
When you were mad that I was so absent this game (rightfully so) you didn't immediately disregard or call me likely mafia.
Given I was unaware Rayn had started calling me town thus far (I had and have not read pages 21-68 and it has been patchy since then) it looked worse too.
On June 10 2024 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: I no longer think Marv is mafia
Why did you?
You looked like you had tmi on me being town.
Why would you be upset with a mafia suspect being as shittily absent as I have been? So I assumed you knew I was town.
Only one way to know (as a player) that an unflipped player is town
Evidence for this?
Literally my only reasoning for calling you town was that rayn did.
Explain yourself?!
When you were mad that I was so absent this game (rightfully so) you didn't immediately disregard or call me likely mafia.
Given I was unaware Rayn had started calling me town thus far (I had and have not read pages 21-68 and it has been patchy since then) it looked worse too.
Now I am pretty certain you are town
so do you think marv is town because he agreed with my read and i am mafia?
On June 10 2024 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: I no longer think Marv is mafia
Why did you?
You looked like you had tmi on me being town.
Why would you be upset with a mafia suspect being as shittily absent as I have been? So I assumed you knew I was town.
Only one way to know (as a player) that an unflipped player is town
Evidence for this?
Literally my only reasoning for calling you town was that rayn did.
Explain yourself?!
When you were mad that I was so absent this game (rightfully so) you didn't immediately disregard or call me likely mafia.
Given I was unaware Rayn had started calling me town thus far (I had and have not read pages 21-68 and it has been patchy since then) it looked worse too.
Now I am pretty certain you are town
so do you think marv is town because he agreed with my read and i am mafia?
Now if you aren't mafia and he thinks you are you should think he is given this
On June 10 2024 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: I no longer think Marv is mafia
Why did you?
You looked like you had tmi on me being town.
Why would you be upset with a mafia suspect being as shittily absent as I have been? So I assumed you knew I was town.
Only one way to know (as a player) that an unflipped player is town
Evidence for this?
Literally my only reasoning for calling you town was that rayn did.
Explain yourself?!
When you were mad that I was so absent this game (rightfully so) you didn't immediately disregard or call me likely mafia.
Given I was unaware Rayn had started calling me town thus far (I had and have not read pages 21-68 and it has been patchy since then) it looked worse too.
Now I am pretty certain you are town
so do you think marv is town because he agreed with my read and i am mafia?
You still think I called you mafia?
what did you do then?
I said that if you were mafia, your inactivity would make sense.
On June 10 2024 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: I no longer think Marv is mafia
Why did you?
You looked like you had tmi on me being town.
Why would you be upset with a mafia suspect being as shittily absent as I have been? So I assumed you knew I was town.
Only one way to know (as a player) that an unflipped player is town
Evidence for this?
Literally my only reasoning for calling you town was that rayn did.
Explain yourself?!
When you were mad that I was so absent this game (rightfully so) you didn't immediately disregard or call me likely mafia.
Given I was unaware Rayn had started calling me town thus far (I had and have not read pages 21-68 and it has been patchy since then) it looked worse too.
Now I am pretty certain you are town
This is really stupid. I was clearly just moaning about like 5 afk players.
How does that turn into a townread on you? …
Totally illogical
Yeah it was also fairly late and you weren't the only one having wine. At that time it probably wasn't late for you but time zones yadda yadda
On June 10 2024 03:06 Alakaslam wrote: I said that if you were mafia, your inactivity would make sense.
see this is one thing i hate about these games. i am NEVER inactive just because... i have played over 200 games i think, and ONCE i have intentionally afk'd for any time i consider could be used for playing.
Why do people still think, especially for me, that inactivity is an alignment factor?
How is saying that it would make sense saying that it is an alignment factor?
I am aware other people see it that way, which then makes it so in part. But yes on TL especially it generally isn't because we are all either old or old to the young.
So I get it. This is why I was kinda caught off guard in a bemused way with your heavy reaction to the offhand remark, but then if you are taking an alignment read on me from it- then this makes more sense.
Scott you can't influence the mafia NK unless you are a teammate lol. Or at least when I am scum I never give a shit because I don't blue hunt. Chezinu doesn't either because he doesn't have to hunt to find blues. They come natural to his badassery.
Ok maybe that isn't true. Never mind that it becomes an insult given what I think.
This is all coming from the place that I pretty much think you are mafia so disregard the implication if you are town, that wasn't what I was trying to say.
Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r:
On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote: I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
...
I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff Is there a case outside of that? .... Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read
I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him.
Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that.
On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote: I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho
If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.
Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.
There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess.
I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway.
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337:
On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?
at the risk of answering for viva
if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either
1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread
or they just roll over
i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?
i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion
alphazero - where does that sit with you?
Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.
We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.
Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.
I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either.
On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.
AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such.
But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours.
Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded.
Town.
Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question.
If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ?
And then this?
On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote: Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig
He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch.
Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.
how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az
Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable.
Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable.
I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel.
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.
On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote: The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally?
i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally?
It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped.
Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough.
i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building
i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation.
i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though.
Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him.
My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes.
Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider.
Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead?
It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all:
On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote: I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv. I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN
Is scott31337 mafia still?
I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t.
The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.
For some reason it took me a long time to understand this. But having spent said time, I think it’s a good case
Gonna take my marvellosity credit and cash it in to make everyone vote for Vivax!
Ok part of me wants to do this and part of me says this is the scummiest shit you have done all game
On June 10 2024 11:08 Alakaslam wrote: Marv probably 100% badass in that filter.
Well he did mention you. You‘d be my nr. 2 after scott
Thou foolish fool! Doest thou thinketh I am one that drives the bus? Fie on this! For shame, there is no such thing yet as the bus. Indeed it is 1611 in the year of our Lord...
Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r:
On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote: I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
...
I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff Is there a case outside of that? .... Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read
I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him.
Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that.
On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote: I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho
If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.
Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.
There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess.
I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway.
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337:
On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
at the risk of answering for viva
if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either
1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread
or they just roll over
i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?
i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion
alphazero - where does that sit with you?
Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.
We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.
Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.
I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either.
On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.
AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such.
But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours.
Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded.
Town.
Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question.
If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ?
And then this?
On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote: Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig
He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch.
Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.
how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az
Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable.
Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable.
I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel.
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.
On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote: The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally?
i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally?
It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped.
Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough.
i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building
i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation.
i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though.
Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him.
My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes.
Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider.
Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead?
It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all:
On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote: I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv. I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN
Is scott31337 mafia still?
I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t.
The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.
For some reason it took me a long time to understand this. But having spent said time, I think it’s a good case
Gonna take my marvellosity credit and cash it in to make everyone vote for Vivax!
Ok part of me wants to do this and part of me says this is the scummiest shit you have done all game
Trust me? It's objectively the best play.
As I said, part of me wants to and part of me says this is a setup and I would be fool to fall for it
On June 10 2024 11:16 Trfel wrote: @AlphaZero, thanks, you're the best
@Alakaslam, maybe read my mind? Chupazi hijole? (side note, when you search for chupazi on Google, Alakaslam is the first thing that comes up, I think that's pretty awesome ) Trust me, the reason for doing this is very solid. You'll thank me later.
@Mocsta, c'mon, you too now. Don't try and ignore this. It's objectively the right play.
@die_meatbaby, I don't know if you are town, but if you are, this is where you want to be.
Isn't it the only tthing? I am the Llord of this Cconcept. Ii am tthe creattor.
On June 10 2024 12:30 Trfel wrote: Hey Mocsta, can you talk to me for a bit? I feel like I'm going insane and need help to not do that ><
look I can
It's going to be review the case though right?
That's something will have to wait till I'm back from work
I'm actually getting incredibly tilted, I'm looking at things and trying to figure things out and posting my thoughts, but pretty much everything I say is either ignored, disagreed with for no reason, or disagreed with for blatantly illogical reasons. It's frustrating the heck out of me, and I have no idea how to get past it.
Maybe I could lynch the people who are acting like this, but it's a lot of people and they may not be mafia? So that's not a good method at all.
Maybe I could take a break, but I don't think things will be any different when I return.
I really really rely on having a sounding board, like someone to check my sanity, but if my "sounding board" says I'm insane, without reason, every time, then it's pretty counterproductive.I'm trying to simplify my suspicions into concise arguments, can you help me figure out which of these (if any) make sense? My view is that if the reasons are legit, I should be able to state them very simply.
die_meatbaby: seemingly no drive to solve the game or contribute, constantly hiding behind excuses Alakaslam: said marvellosity is mafia but then later said he is town, said scott31337 is mafia, and that's literally it (for clarity, the reason is that he isn't drawing conclusions about the game) raynpelikoneet: seems to want to talk but doesn't want to figure anything out sandroba: lack of activity/involvement
I'll even not talk about Vivax for now, can't put it concisely enough.
Lol
Yours on me makes sense but is wrong. Fuck me sorry m8. Lol. I will not be drinking again for a week if that is any consolation (I drive for a living and resume tomorrow so)
And I cannot go to Europe because rent costs half my take home pay
And it's even cheap rent in an area riddled with crime and roaches.
Let's go, Brandon. And Fuck Trump too. I am beginning to hate all power. I am becoming a rather disgruntled man. It has nothing to do with mafia by the way that I say this shit, but yeah I was unable to keep up with the game because I got news of the change of plans when I had to go inactive and I started by explaining that, and then holy hell if I didn't start to feel some rage.
Fuck democrats who tax and regulate you to hell and back.
Fuck Republicans who bend over backwards for every big company that wants to dump toxic waste in drinking water.
Fuck the congresspeople who never leave and always increase their wealth by a minimum of 10x after getting elected.
Fuck the judges who never die and drink babies blood and teach women disloyalty. + Show Spoiler +
my cousin loves you and cried when you died, Ruth Ginsburg. I spit on your evil legacy. Fuck you, witch. If you are a woman and read this and think this means I hate your race, I pity your having smelled the witch's poison. But given most everyone here is having kids or at least being loyal, and enjoying the right way of being human, I doubt that reaction.
All I wanted was to be able to be a global citizen, of the USA persuasion if need be. And to raise a family in a house somewhere.
But hot damn if doubling the average Joe wasn't enough to even get a 1970's era "starter home" in a ghetto.
Fuck investors.
Fuck stocks.
Fuck wall street goons.
Burn.
Yet I also hope Xi and Kim burn too. Because the crimes against me pale in comparison to those goons.
Fuck I get mad when I am unable to sleep. I need to sleep. My wife told me I get mad when I miss sleep. I was just trying to not have you tell me I didn't love Rosie, and when I ask why you say that, say it is because if I loved her, I would have motivation to make a basic living wage.
Which you said was 16,000$ a m o n t h
And turns out it is
But
We don't know anyone who makes that amount
We only know people who make less than us and some billionaire families
Nothing in between, darling
I wad driving 12 hours Uber
That means a day of 16 hours on the road because I had to drive home from wherever those people took me
You didn't understand who was hurting you
Warren, Joe, Donald, Elon, Ruth, Barbara, Dianne, Miguel, so many people
But
You left
Me
And now your Instagram is so empowered so you feel good about it
And I paid to enroll Rosie in private preschool
Well
That can't earn love after what I did .but 18 hour days
That is Marv talking about himself. Which I get is usually the best possible source (given he is flipped this is a case where it is) but you are talking about when he hasn't flipped.
And I watched his scum chats in real time.
You aren't going to change my mind. The fluid interactions are in my crystallized memory.
It was hell for him and he probably can't do it again but that doesn't rule out the possibility.
Anyway. I'm over it I don't think rayn was being dishonest.
I'm not throwing but just lynch me out or replace whatever town prefers.
I got blindsided and was just tempted to post the word "post" a few hundred times to spite someone I wanted to visit this summer and couldn't quite suddenly due to organizational and financial restrictions.
That's shitty, and not usually what this game does with my psyche. I am usually emotional and sometimes toxic but usually not more so than some hell photos or evil rants that people (I hope) know are not entirely serious. (I don't hate Biden or trump for example as they aren't responsible for the US housing crisis.)
Fuck it. I am not going to let my government's corruption and environmentalist bullshit combined with my own poor scheduling ruin my reputation with what online friends I could make here.
I'm not throwing but just lynch me out or replace whatever town prefers.
I got blindsided and was just tempted to post the word "post" a few hundred times to spite someone I wanted to visit this summer and couldn't quite suddenly due to organizational and financial restrictions.
That's shitty, and not usually what this game does with my psyche. I am usually emotional and sometimes toxic but usually not more so than some hell photos or evil rants that people (I hope) know are not entirely serious. (I don't hate Biden or trump for example as they aren't responsible for the US housing crisis.)
Fuck it. I am not going to let my government's corruption and environmentalist bullshit combined with my own poor scheduling ruin my reputation with what online friends I could make here.
/Replace
Sorry Grackaroni
Sorry town
Sorry mafia
Aaaaand screw this,
I wanted to avoid being a tantrum throwing bitch- so I bitched and threw a tantrum.
Very sagacious behavior.
Koshi you didn't offend me (sandroba did a little ) you just frustrated me enough (because I was stressed already by shit that you had no bearing on) to want to do petty malicious bullshit and I caught myself. I wanted to spam out my filter to 20 pages and end it with "still sr me koshi?" And went "no I will not allow myself to keep doing this toxic bullshit" and then went and did a toxic bullshit.
On June 12 2024 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: It highly irritates me that noone else can really see the things here other than Oats and Koshi (but Koshi is playing the i-dont-care-fuck-you-all game). Or well not really that, mainly Trfel (and AZ), because Trfel keeps repeating the point the "rayn has not made any good observations in the game therefore mafia".
I was concerned during N1, that when scott didn't get lynched, maybe one or two of marv/AZ is mafia. Obviously i was wrong on marv. We had a talk about my notion that "if youre both town with marv, why didn't you get scott lynched" with AZ in the mason chat. He of course refuses to acknowledge that its a good point since he has to regardless of alignment. He however acknowledges that it was reasonable, "And it’s a good observation I always said that". Except he never says that in thread.
Another thing is about the Trfel case on Vivax. I was literally the only person in the game to call that case bad. By default it's a good observation, because Trfel himself said so.
Both of those things are considered good observations, even if i am wrong about alignments here. It annoys me a great deal that even after that, nobody even noticed those things, Trfel keeps telling i am playing like shit, and AZ doesn't do any-fucking-thing about that while telling me in mason QT absolutely different story that Trfel is telling here -- and never clears that up in thread.
We havent really been talking about anything else too much, aside from our reads on each other, and one other person, which is not really relevant at the moment.
Now as for Mocsta, My comment on Mocsta after i said he is only posturing imo, was this:
Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta.
I do not think it is wrong to assume Mocsta should even for a teeny tiny bit consider Trfel's alignment when Trfel goes like "vote Vivax" ---> Mocsta goes "wow good yeah lets do that shit", "naaah i was just faking a case, rayn and koshi and DMB are mafia", "wow yeah okay, let's kill DMB!", "naah i am actually voting for sandroba WITH rayn and DMB".
At this point, why the hell doesn't Mocsta shred a SINGLE moment on reconsidering Trfel's alignment????? AZ calls me mafia for thinking he should. Yet my opinion is:
" If Trfel was anyone but Trfel i would say Trfel is mafia because he keeps repeating his awful points and fails to even reconsider anything for a second just because he is too tunneled. Like his points are literally awful!!!! However Trfel is the only player i ever read just by tone, and this is town Trfel. He made me very angry yesterday, and idgaf if you lynch me, even if i could i wont be saying anything to him anymore and let him fucking throw."
This however should not be clear to Mocsta. Trfel just pushed all the shit Mocsta apparently "wanted", and ended up on full opposite side of all those things. But no, Mocsta doesn't reconsider him at all, he doesn't even tell him he's being stupid or anything. Like just nothing at all. I think that's mafia.
Furthermore there is this thing when he is already gearing up on sandroba mafia lynch. Everything from his post #3099 is simply just preparing himself to look better after flip. There is simply no reason why he should have a thought in his head that rayn is mafia and at least one of DMB/sandroba is mafia. It is simply insane to have a thought that i am mafia with sandroba!!
This post is just simply nitpicking on semantics in a very scummy way:
On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote: But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit?
There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question
Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.
Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
I literally answered exactly what Koshi asked, and even more. Mocsta = mafia AZ is being dumb, mafia or town idk Others are town and dumb
If he cannot fucking deduce that from the post for real he has to be the dumbest person on earth. He is simply just using semantics of "rayn not answering the question" to painnt me scummy, when i did answer, and more. Probably because he has deduced Trfel is incapable of hearing anything of how rayn could possibly do something townie in this fucking game from behind of his eye-shutters.
Yeah end rant. Now my only question is what alignment is AZ? If he is town what am i missing?
And, as usual, this convinced me (very convenient) but not because of some actual case on Sandro, but rather by building a case on Mocsta (that I have to take on faith that Rayn is town here, which I think he is)!
Lawdy lawdy man Alice this game is different when you don't jeep up on it.
Hades that I frankly deserve because I made this bed
Voting Sandro let's decide this shit and figure things out from the flip eh
On June 12 2024 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah for the record another good observation i had is that AZ was good D1, D2 he is dumb. He literally agreed with that too in mason QT.
On June 12 2024 06:31 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. mafia rayn finally finds something 'he' truly believes I've dir is wrong as town .yet his basis . A fake case on vivax. Is false
He's misread trfel
This is hilllarious
I will gladly hear your take, or if you know what page of your filter it is on I will go look actually I will just go look rn
On June 11 2024 23:14 sandroba wrote: I mean I suppose dmb is not 100% to be scum, just very likely. If I'm wrong about any of these I think the remaining has to be within Oats/AZ/scott? But they all have done things that make it hard to believe they are mafia. I guess oats and AZ could pull it off if they are just next level scum.
I don't think oats is mafia. He's still invested
Yes will not let go of you but it's an isolated game and everyone is clutching at straws. It's plausible and not that you can rely . I played a game with oats maybe 8 years ago where we were both town andnshitshow and his stubbornness is very similar
Az.. look if he was scum it would be for setting the culture of this town day1 by being principle focused.. it's a annoying as he knew he wouldn't be here to continue it so town built in the founding father name and taken over by the child out of wedlock.. lol
I have to think he's town..he could have turned on me easily so many times and importantly marv read him town during n1
I beg to differ, my opinion of Oats hinges on Sandroba now.
On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote: But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit?
There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question
Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.
Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
my issue here is why is rayn dodging a simple.question.
We have a town core which he refuses to acknowledge a town He won't talk to deceit being in place And is using language which conditions you to walk with a tail between your legs
None of this is town
Town would respond to the answer AND then switch agenda to their target OR ignore the question and switch agenda to target
I repeat.. this is not town mentality
This seems warranted Rayn, why not just answer directly?
On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why?
Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why?
Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why?
Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
Slow down slam, nobody’s alignment is predicated on someone else’s alignment
Ok this is very true.
I still feel like if sandro flips town you are like 88% scum though
On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why?
Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
Slow down slam, nobody’s alignment is predicated on someone else’s alignment
Ok this is very true.
I still feel like if sandro flips town you are like 88% scum though
then I am also 88% scum.
No because you are sheeping him, and you didn't do the same things
On June 12 2024 06:43 Koshi wrote: I launched a counter wagon to a redchecked scum!Oats last time, and even though I got burned badly, this time, it is literally impossible he is mafia.
I have to cede to context. If you read his filter and still believe this, you are probably right
On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why?
Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
Slow down slam, nobody’s alignment is predicated on someone else’s alignment
Ok this is very true.
I still feel like if sandro flips town you are like 88% scum though
On June 12 2024 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: It highly irritates me that + Show Spoiler +
noone else can really see the things here other than Oats and Koshi (but Koshi is playing the i-dont-care-fuck-you-all game). Or well not really that, mainly Trfel (and AZ), because Trfel keeps repeating the point the "rayn has not made any good observations in the game therefore mafia".
I was concerned during N1, that when scott didn't get lynched, maybe one or two of marv/AZ is mafia. Obviously i was wrong on marv. We had a talk about my notion that "if youre both town with marv, why didn't you get scott lynched" with AZ in the mason chat. He of course refuses to acknowledge that its a good point since he has to regardless of alignment. He however acknowledges that it was reasonable, "And it’s a good observation I always said that". Except he never says that in thread.
Another thing is about the Trfel case on Vivax. I was literally the only person in the game to call that case bad. By default it's a good observation, because Trfel himself said so.
Both of those things are considered good observations, even if i am wrong about alignments here. It annoys me a great deal that even after that, nobody even noticed those things, Trfel keeps telling i am playing like shit, and AZ doesn't do any-fucking-thing about that while telling me in mason QT absolutely different story that Trfel is telling here -- and never clears that up in thread.
We havent really been talking about anything else too much, aside from our reads on each other, and one other person, which is not really relevant at the moment.
Now as for Mocsta, My comment on Mocsta after i said he is only posturing imo, was this:
Why do you never ever share a single shred of doubt on Trfel's alignment. You havent played for what, 10 or so years, so you should have no clue about Trfel's recent meta.
I do not think it is wrong to assume Mocsta should even for a teeny tiny bit consider Trfel's alignment when Trfel goes like "vote Vivax" ---> Mocsta goes "wow good yeah lets do that shit", "naaah i was just faking a case, rayn and koshi and DMB are mafia", "wow yeah okay, let's kill DMB!", "naah i am actually voting for sandroba WITH rayn and DMB".
At this point, why the hell doesn't Mocsta shred a SINGLE moment on reconsidering Trfel's alignment????? AZ calls me mafia for thinking he should. Yet my opinion is:
" If Trfel was anyone but Trfel i would say Trfel is mafia because he keeps repeating his awful points and fails to even reconsider anything for a second just because he is too tunneled. Like his points are literally awful!!!! However Trfel is the only player i ever read just by tone, and this is town Trfel. He made me very angry yesterday, and idgaf if you lynch me, even if i could i wont be saying anything to him anymore and let him fucking throw."
This however should not be clear to Mocsta. Trfel just pushed all the shit Mocsta apparently "wanted", and ended up on full opposite side of all those things. But no, Mocsta doesn't reconsider him at all, he doesn't even tell him he's being stupid or anything. Like just nothing at all. I think that's mafia.
Furthermore there is this thing when he is already gearing up on sandroba mafia lynch. Everything from his post #3099 is simply just preparing himself to look better after flip. There is simply no reason why he should have a thought in his head that rayn is mafia and at least one of DMB/sandroba is mafia. It is simply insane to have a thought that i am mafia with sandroba!!
This post is just simply nitpicking on semantics in a very scummy way:
On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote: But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit?
There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question
Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.
Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
I literally answered exactly what Koshi asked, and even more. Mocsta = mafia AZ is being dumb, mafia or town idk Others are town and dumb
If he cannot fucking deduce that from the post for real he has to be the dumbest person on earth. He is simply just using semantics of "rayn not answering the question" to painnt me scummy, when i did answer, and more. Probably because he has deduced Trfel is incapable of hearing anything of how rayn could possibly do something townie in this fucking game from behind of his eye-shutters.
Yeah end rant. Now my only question is what alignment is AZ? If he is town what am i missing?
Counterpoint: You are rayn, you usuall don‘t need to tell us you are irritated, you already radiate it.
I'm not throwing but just lynch me out or replace whatever town prefers.
I got blindsided and was just tempted to post the word "post" a few hundred times to spite someone I wanted to visit this summer and couldn't quite suddenly due to organizational and financial restrictions.
That's shitty, and not usually what this game does with my psyche. I am usually emotional and sometimes toxic but usually not more so than some hell photos or evil rants that people (I hope) know are not entirely serious. (I don't hate Biden or trump for example as they aren't responsible for the US housing crisis.)
Fuck it. I am not going to let my government's corruption and environmentalist bullshit combined with my own poor scheduling ruin my reputation with what online friends I could make here.
/Replace
Sorry Grackaroni
Sorry town
Sorry mafia
Aaaaand screw this,
I wanted to avoid being a tantrum throwing bitch- so I bitched and threw a tantrum.
Very sagacious behavior.
Koshi you didn't offend me (sandroba did a little ) you just frustrated me enough (because I was stressed already by shit that you had no bearing on) to want to do petty malicious bullshit and I caught myself. I wanted to spam out my filter to 20 pages and end it with "still sr me koshi?" And went "no I will not allow myself to keep doing this toxic bullshit" and then went and did a toxic bullshit.
I will try to read recent stuff ':-S
Welcome back.
I know I asked before and you said you don't play that way, but I'm doing to ask again anyway.
On June 11 2024 17:17 Koshi wrote: But the talk was good. It felt like 5 townies. Did you feel deceit?
There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause.
So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question
Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.
Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
my issue here is why is rayn dodging a simple.question.
We have a town core which he refuses to acknowledge a town He won't talk to deceit being in place And is using language which conditions you to walk with a tail between your legs
None of this is town
Town would respond to the answer AND then switch agenda to their target OR ignore the question and switch agenda to target
I repeat.. this is not town mentality
This seems warranted Rayn, why not just answer directly?
On June 11 2024 17:25 Mocsta wrote: [quote] So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia?
I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of
are you fucking stupid?
let's go with yes as I'm reading what you're writing
Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles
Stupid, mofo waffles
Tbh that was bad mocsta.
well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect
Rayn answered neither
Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question
Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe.
Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely.
Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way.
This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset.
my issue here is why is rayn dodging a simple.question.
We have a town core which he refuses to acknowledge a town He won't talk to deceit being in place And is using language which conditions you to walk with a tail between your legs
None of this is town
Town would respond to the answer AND then switch agenda to their target OR ignore the question and switch agenda to target
I repeat.. this is not town mentality
This seems warranted Rayn, why not just answer directly?
On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote: If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in.
Well we don't know who you are anyway.
who is we?
How do you know no one knows?
Scott
He is Conversion
Please read me before saying I have no posts
Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies
Coincidence.
But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago
Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine?
What is your dmb read?
Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit.
Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD.
This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all.
Because of the housing crisis, mostly.
So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead.
The United States has suffered a lot of corruption as well. Voting, unless in the local elections, rarely counts. **** have a neck hold of what happens and how things are done in this country. The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. I've been homeless twice, last time was in a game in 2016 I played here back in the day. NEVER AGAIN I turned it around with sheer will, God, and people who believed in me. The US is getting worse and worse - saw it in 2020. Get out of the cities. Be prepared. We left and moved to the country on a lake on a dead end road. Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes. Am I putting myself, my wife, and my pets in a better position when it does? Yes. Am I stocking everything besides Fiat currency? Yes. Can I change any of it? locally, person by person - yes. Nationwide? No. I can change my location, position, multiple internet abilities, and be in a better position for what happens next. Do I know what that is? Probably more corruption - I can expect that. Get out of debt? Done. No debt=freedom. No matter where you are.
It's harder to prepare for what you cannot.
rant off
Amen
My wife will not come with me. She holds my daughter in Koreatown in LA.
I care deeply for minimissile.
Or, well, I will let her choose her own handle. Should she want to join us at any point.
On June 13 2024 13:15 Trfel wrote: I'm honestly confused as to who even thinks what, it feels like everyone's reads have changed significantly since the sandroba flip. Maybe I'm the stupid one for not changing my reads tbh.
Side note, I don't find the whole "scott31337 slipped that die_meatbaby is town" thing very compelling. I think it makes sense from the perspective of someone who is (theoretically) town and is overconfident in pre-flip reads. As in, it matches the rest of the way scott31337 has played.
First question, why does scott31337 scumread AlphaZero and townread Mocsta? He posted some (imo weak) reasons. In fact, scott31337 literally says "I appreciate his attempts, but it's not a win over" when referring to Mocsta's case of scott31337's strongest scumread, AlphaZero. But he says these are the best reasons to scumread AlphaZero. Basically I'm supposed to believe that sscott31337 thinks that this case that he doesn't think is all that strong is the best case against AlphaZero, yet he's still extremely confident in AlphaZero being mafia? Strong enough to base the rest of his reads off of AlphaZero being mafia, anyway ><
Second point, sandroba voted for scott31337 early day 1 and left his vote there. However, sandroba didn't post from page 24 until after the day 1 deadline. I think it's quite possible for sandroba to vote for his mafia partner, and then something comes up and he can't change it, even if it's a close vote against a townie.
Third point, scott31337 voted for sandroba at 4:11p EDT June 10. He was the third person to do so (after raynpelikoneet and Koshi). Would scott31337 do this as mafia? It looks like it's Koshi's vote that directly prompts him to do this (scott31337 notes Koshi's vote at 4:10p EDT and then votes for sandroba one minute later). This is about halfway through sandroba's series of catchup posts. From one perspective, it feels a little early to bus, since sandroba is actually posting at this time, but from another perspective, it feels like a good time to get a vote down, one which he can move later if needed. But, did scott31337 set himself up to move? Scott31337 was scumreading sandroba, Alakaslam, and AlphaZero. He also said he wouldn't vote for die_meatbaby.
I actually think this (point 3) is a decent reason to townread scott31337. Sandroba (flipped mafia) was reading Koshi, raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, and Alakaslam as potential mafia. He later says that he would vote for any of raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, or Koshi. He doesn't suggest voting for Alakaslam at all. Scott31337 set himself up to vote for sandroba, Alakaslam, or AlphaZero. Maybe I'm overthinking it but if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, why wouldn't they suggest lynching Alakaslam (assuming Alakaslam is town for the moment)? I just think it doesn't make much sense for mafia to walk themselves into voting separately or hoping that town randomly shenanigans onto the one scumread they have in common. Like, if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, scott31337 saying he won't vote for die_meatbaby makes it extremely unlikely for sandroba to survive. Scott31337 actually re-evaluates die_meatbaby the next day, around 12p EDT June 11, and commits to not switching. To be fair, by this point there are a large number of votes on sandroba and sandroba stopped posting.
Maybe this isn't as strong as I thought. Maybe just a slight reason to townread scott31337. I do think it's not completely negligible though.
On June 13 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote: Maybe I just pocketed myself but I am not convinced Mocsta is mafia here. I'm just a huge sucker for the way he posts, even when I don't agree I just have a hard time seeing it coming from mafia. This is probably a huge blind spot for me this game, because it's not very rational. Note to myself to figure this out somehow.
Gut reads from Trfel! (note that order in each category is irrelevant)
Town Koshi Vivax AlphaZero
Town Lean Mocsta
Null scott31337 Alakaslam raynpelikoneet
Mafia Lean die_meatbaby
I have no clue how I'm ever supposed to read Alakaslam this game. Need to figure out raynpelikoneet, scott31337, and die_meatbaby, next.
How is DMB not null? I can't make head or tails of her, and, well, that may not be saying much actually.
On June 13 2024 14:54 Trfel wrote: Okay, okay, I take it back. Even if you won't admit it, something is clearly affecting your play, most likely the alcohol. I assume this is preventing you from admitting what's going on as well.
I'll forget this ever happened and talk to you tomorrow.
Nono nono he has been scummy for the long time read filter
Yes Alan Kohol may be here rn but before was the scott indeed
On June 13 2024 14:55 AlphaZero wrote: i suspect scott is playing up the drinking thing to wriggle out of that mess, he only mentions it after he fucks up.
Fucking hell I hope you never sya that when I play drunk
On June 13 2024 14:55 AlphaZero wrote: i suspect scott is playing up the drinking thing to wriggle out of that mess, he only mentions it after he fucks up.
That's possible but there are a lot of other things he could have done to try and get out of it as well.
Either he decided that his best defense was to go through a contrived series of posts to make it look he can't think clearly.... or he simply can't think clearly.
The former seems pretty scummy (not in a mafia alignment way, just in general). The latter seems much more reasonable. Like I hope this doesn't become a normal thing for people, whenever they get caught they just go "whoops I'm drunk," but for now I will unvote and reconsider.
In the middle of a scott31337 filter dive, I'm not saying he's town, I'm just back to unsure because I don't know if it's reasonable to attribute this mess to anything besides alcohol.
On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote: If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in.
Well we don't know who you are anyway.
who is we?
How do you know no one knows?
Scott
He is Conversion
Please read me before saying I have no posts
Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies
Coincidence.
But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago
Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine?
What is your dmb read?
Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit.
Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD.
This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all.
Because of the housing crisis, mostly.
So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead.
So
Hehehe
I know. Just a fair warning I think the key lies between you and dmb. Or maybe both.
On June 13 2024 16:44 Trfel wrote: Is it bad that I actually kinda want to lynch Alakaslam because he said my own post sounded smart and I disagree? xD
Yes because there are much better reasons to scum read me. Person who posts them gets the award of "this person actually reads and analyzes with heuristics and not pure meta" award
On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote: Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way: 1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to. 2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all.
I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep.
You can't honestly tell me you are going to read 111+ pages tomorrow? That's simply not realistic. Plus filters on top?
This is the kind of thing I find suspicious. "sorry I've been inactive I will catch up now" "I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly" "stuck at work, tomorrow I will be here" "now I will have real time to play" "sorry work was busy so I will go to sleep and reread the game tomorrow" "I'll try more when more people are active" "I'm sorry I didn't play yesterday due to work, I'll start playing as soon as the night phase is over" "I'll post my scumreads before the night ends" "oops my nap was too long, [random names of people who might be mafia with no reason]" "I'll have a lot of time the next two days" "tomorrow I will filter everyone and reread the game and post my reads"
When does it end?
@Alakaslam, I believe this is the best reason for die_meatbaby being mafia.
Ahhhhhhhh
There is more to life than reliability but I see it 😅
I have a vague memory that last time Alakaslam was mafia, he was much more direct. His posts would critique people's thinking and would contain reasons to suspect people.
Here, he's just commenting anything and everything, in fact more often than not it's not a reason to suspect someone.
Maybe this makes him town, because it's different? Or does it make him mafia, because he doesn't have a ton of thoughts about who is mafia? Or is it just a bad rationale because the vague memory is quite old?
None of that really matters, he would not make that rage quite post as mafia.
There is host wifom. If I am mafia with Rayn, then my return is strong reason to suspect us together as he is the one who, as mafia, would likely be pissed enough and also capable enough to get me to return.
I have a vague memory that last time Alakaslam was mafia, he was much more direct. His posts would critique people's thinking and would contain reasons to suspect people.
Here, he's just commenting anything and everything, in fact more often than not it's not a reason to suspect someone.
Maybe this makes him town, because it's different? Or does it make him mafia, because he doesn't have a ton of thoughts about who is mafia? Or is it just a bad rationale because the vague memory is quite old?
None of that really matters, he would not make that rage quite post as mafia.
There is host wifom. If I am mafia with Rayn, then my return is strong reason to suspect us together as he is the one who, as mafia, would likely be pissed enough and also capable enough to get me to return.
not why its not possible for you to make those posts as mafia.
Aye Aya aye the ensuing embarrassment is too much to bear, Salud! I sleep!
On June 14 2024 04:29 Koshi wrote: Page count from dmb = 8 Page count from slam = 8 88 stands for Heil H***** Vivax has been going off about Austrian politics all game.
On June 14 2024 09:08 scott31337 wrote: I'm still pretty stumped Koshi who I read town believes it's DMB and was a scum/scum D2. Rayn who I read town believes it's Mocsta AZ thinks Mocsta is mafia too, which tingles my spider senses Slam thinks I'm mafia Koshi doesn't believe a DMB/Mocsta team I don't think Rayn does either
Is Vivax just under the radar? But Vivax thinks AZ is mafia.
On June 14 2024 09:08 scott31337 wrote: I'm still pretty stumped Koshi who I read town believes it's DMB and was a scum/scum D2. Rayn who I read town believes it's Mocsta AZ thinks Mocsta is mafia too, which tingles my spider senses Slam thinks I'm mafia Koshi doesn't believe a DMB/Mocsta team I don't think Rayn does either
Is Vivax just under the radar? But Vivax thinks AZ is mafia.
On June 14 2024 09:08 AlphaZero wrote: im going to be thoroughly unpleasant to deal with in the post game if scott is mafia,
what are you talking about?
If scott is mafia, and i get pushed off his wagon day one and day 3, im going to complain.
Let us do this if it happens, and look at stuff that kinda screams "Miracle of Cana was not for that wedding, but for the scientific age" like this for our perturbation
On June 14 2024 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: What did Slam say that makes it so fucking good for me that "mocsta and scott are partnered", AZ? What did he say, what is that you apparently said yourself. Why are Mocsta and scott clearly partnered?
I mean I didn't reach this on my own steam, I think I need to lay off the sarcastic self aggrandizing jokes- I have been sheeping AZ for days
On June 14 2024 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: What did Slam say that makes it so fucking good for me that "mocsta and scott are partnered", AZ? What did he say, what is that you apparently said yourself. Why are Mocsta and scott clearly partnered?
ITS IN MY FILTER WHICH IS WHY ITS FUCKING ANNOYING ITS BEING IGNORED!
On June 14 2024 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: What did Slam say that makes it so fucking good for me that "mocsta and scott are partnered", AZ? What did he say, what is that you apparently said yourself. Why are Mocsta and scott clearly partnered?
ITS IN MY FILTER WHICH IS WHY ITS FUCKING ANNOYING ITS BEING IGNORED!
I know, it is bad to so thoroughly enjoy schadenfreude at Conversion's expense, but man he is actually right that one of the most analytical players who generally just does not miss shit has basically missed another member of this game's town trio really comoletely
On June 14 2024 10:27 Trfel wrote: Wait, Mocsta, what's wrong?
I mean he has a lot more reason than I did, in the context of the game. Shit is getting tough globally too it seems but honestly things are not going well for Moc as either alignment here
On June 14 2024 10:40 AlphaZero wrote: Its an appeal to emotion that I have used as scum before, but the question is: Is mocsta a big enough dick to pull that move.
On June 14 2024 10:27 Trfel wrote: Wait, Mocsta, what's wrong?
I mean he has a lot more reason than I did, in the context of the game. Shit is getting tough globally too it seems but honestly things are not going well for Moc as either alignment here
Mate is this a war room conference or a mafia game sometimes I wonder
On June 14 2024 13:32 Trfel wrote: I dunno. I don't think it's AlphaZero, and I don't think it's Mocsta. But I also don't have the energy to read carefully enough to make an informed opinion, and even if I did, I wouldn't have the energy to push for it.
I guess I can politely suggest that we lynch someone else, probably die_meatbaby, but I completely understand if you don't listen to me. I highly doubt I would if I was in your shoes.
I'm sorry for playing so poorly You guys deserve better.
Raynpelikoneet said he thinks Mocsta is mafia in post #4094. Maybe there's something to it, I don't really think so, but we'll find out tomorrow I suppose. Hope you guys are right.
Idk, much of it comes down to Mocsta thinking the same things I did, right? I get that those things weren't great, it's even possible that they were 100% wrong, but I am town and I thought those things, can I really say that it makes someone else mafia for thinking that way too?
I don't care for the analysis of Alakaslam asking for replacement and then coming back. I don't care for analysis of Mocsta quitting. I think those things are non alignment indicative, hard to get accurate conclusions from, and even if they aren't, I think it's detrimental to the game.
I'd lynch die_meatbaby or probably scott31337. I think I just have to accept never having a read on Alakaslam. I look over his filter and he's at 11 pages but I don't feel like he has done very much, so it's hard for me to conclude much.
But then again there's Vivax who decided to mason me and also ignore me and I have no idea what that means :/
If anyone wants to talk, let me know. Not that I have anything useful to say, but I can try.
On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?
I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable.
A list summary similar to a couple in this game. Note: 1. Celestial is a scum partner that survived end game. Tone is very factual/content and leaves optionality Note. 2. Half the Sky is a scum partner that is a godfather. Scott plays to the setup which applies to a persons preference mafia or town. The mason whisper stuff is largely NAI as a question in itself
Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum
Silverarte – Asks a bunch of questions without responding to ones they are asked. Trying to fly under the radar. Leaning scum
Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum
The Shining – scum – refuses to move his vote for both mislynches, tries to lay under the radar, says he’s solving the game but is not.
Lets see how scott refers to sandroba this game N1 when sandroba was not a wagon for D2
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.
Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him
Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -
1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.
I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.
2. Mocsta fakeclaimed Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote: Mocsta is playing very well if mafia. My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.
And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen.
Order list - not lynching today Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.
Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.
Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.
here is another mafia game 1yr later where he seems to have IRL issues but there is one post again similar to his style of summary/catchip in this game
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote: I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?
ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...
Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...
lynch ff for sanity
Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?
Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..
lol..
Hmm?
You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?
Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to?
On November 25 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote: Enough dicking around.
What do you guys think of what I've brought on Tictock?
this post right?
On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote: Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere
That's honestly not a bad call...
Isn't that just arguing that his choice of words was wrong though?
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote: I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?
ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...
Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...
lynch ff for sanity
Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?
Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..
lol..
Hmm?
You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?
Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
Nah, FF. He clearly agrees with SL. It's not a "I understand you, but..."
Let me expand my suspicions on this post.
If I see somethig that is NAI, whenever someone says it is suspicious, I will tell them that it's NAI. Whenever I see something that I find suspicious and someone say its suspicious, I will simply agree with it.
I don't understand how can someone agree on a suspicion but reach the conclusion that that is NAI. His thought process is disconnected with his conclusion. In other words, it just sounds that he tried to fake putting thoughts on it when he was really just... Posting.
Also, if this is slightly suspicious, why classifying it as NAI now instead of pushing it further, especially on the early phase of the game when usually we have NOTHING to pursue?
Do you understsnd what I'm trying to say?
This makes more sense - I wouldn't throw him in the scumpile for it or anything yet, but I see your point, and it sounds like you are trying to critically think about the game.. I like it so far.
On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote: I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel??
Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense
In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh.
What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point.
Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good.
I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post
Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider.
Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different.
This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either.
On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote: I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.
I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.
I search for Vivax -
On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote: Vivax looks town.
20 hours ago
The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.
A post an hour ago
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
And now he votes for him.
But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.
Seems suspicious to me.
The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate.
I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game.
The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff.
On June 09 2024 05:23 AlphaZero wrote: If one of these guys is town we are going to mislynch.
What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it.
the point of this is to show that scotts game is a more focused version when scum.
i just dont see him and sandroba bussing that hard even though scott had low cred as a wagon d1 candidate. to conclude this is a possibility i think is ignoring the simplest answer, in that sandroba found a logical inconsistency to attack with 'truth' which you are always seeking for as mafia.
If 2 mafia are on the chopping block day 1, the best thing to do is bus.
On June 14 2024 17:27 Trfel wrote: For the record, that wasn't meant to be a case but an analysis. I agreed that in the first note, die_meatbaby's play made sense.
For the second note, though technically die_meatbaby posted after the day post, it doesn't read like she had seen the day post when she went to post this. But it doesn't matter too much.
You might be right, I haven't seen die_meatbaby play as town really so I don't know how it would come off to me. And although possible, this would require mafia to have double bussed day 2. But also, like, who else?
Scott31337? Doubt there is enough support, and imo there are some doubts there too... Alakaslam? Eh... Raynpelikoneet and Koshi were instrumental in lynching mafia yesterday. I don't see enough reason to ignore that. You and Mocsta have been my strongest sources of logic, reasoning, and sense this game. Regardless of how correct your reads are, you've been the easiest people for me to reason with. And I think that goes a long way. Maybe I'm being super pocketed but it's how I am seeing it. Leaves an active Vivax. Eh again. He feels underwhelming at times but quite solid at others.
Maybe this is me being bad and looking at reasons to townread instead of reasons to scumread, which tends to be much less effective for me. But also it's starting to get closer to the deadline and I'm just not as confident in anything as I'd like. I keep looking at scott31337 and Mocsta and it just doesn't feel quite right, I could absolutely see scott31337 being mafia and I could vote him but idk, now I'm just rambling, idk anymore.
Often enough, the best logicians in a thread are mafia.
On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote: rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok. Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this.
But in both cases dmb is mafia with them.
The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence.
I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game.
On June 14 2024 15:59 Koshi wrote: Look guys. We need to kill the girl. It's simple.
Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third.
I said it before.
Kill small fishes first.
I am a bad misslynch. Kinda everybody is pushing me as scum except for scott. It will be hard to find the actuall mafia after town sees that I am Town. I spend the last 2 hours who started town to get me as a lynch wagon. I am still unsure if az or Mocstar are mafia but one of them defently is. The last posts from mocstar seems kinda townisch. I think this emotional posts are not fake. So I am taking my vote (sadly) of mocstar. And If I get lynched because of taking my vote of one of the two main wagons. It is okey better loss me as town then losing someone who seems like actually try to find mafia, at least putting more eford in the game then me ##Unvote ##Vote AZ
Why spread a vote here
So dmb is mafia?
Well, Koshi, I apologize. I think I need to reread the room.
On June 14 2024 13:49 Trfel wrote: Oh and I don't think AlphaZero is mafia either. You guys can lynch them if you want, you won't have my vote, but I don't have the energy or confidence to argue against.
I'll just say that I keep telling die_meatbaby why I think she is mafia, other people keep presenting strong reasons why die_meatbaby could be mafia, I keep reaching out to her and asking for help to understand what's going on, and she has been pretty consistently ignoring all of it.
you can fuck off for real. everytime I am online and I post something here I GET FUCKING IGNORED. I only get the right to getting an answer if mafia quotes me to take me as misslynch. N2 I was online 8+ hours straight. You were writing minutes before I came and then not here for this hole time. I offered you to question me somethings. Something what would fucking help you do read me correctly... but no getting ignored from you. You only take my posts when you need them to make your bullshit case because thats already enough to fucking misslynch town DMB. Maybe this fucking town is wrong with everything. when you play like this i should consider to fucking reread your 20 page filter. I have been complitly ignored here. Marv talked to me a bit at least on d1 and in n2 finally some poeple really talked to me Scott, az, Mocstar.... Not even vivax wanted to have a conversation with me. How the fuck should I show town that I am fucking town if I get ignored all the time. I made a case. Nobody giving any kind of comment to it. Only way later when sandroba flipped and like ahhh dmb made case and didn´t vote on sandroba.... yeah because nobody fucking nobody reacted on that case so I thought I would be a only/wasted vote on him!!! I tried to reach out to people here and they go straight off or just not answering me!
On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote: Where are you guys talk to me!!!!
I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist.
That being said.
I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me.
You are still mafia.
I will skim again later. Eating now.
Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town
I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam.
Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so..
then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case???
I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true.
On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote: rsoultin/koshi Either rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would.
Scott
On June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town
I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games.
Trfl
On June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good
I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie
Sandroba https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba this is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again.
IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me
looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther
On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question. If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion. If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda.
yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options
I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query)
the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was
Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1
I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro?
and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats?
Or have I already found the team here?
this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me!
also in the same time i think Vivax I think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct
or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats.
AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now
Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him.
Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him
AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM
that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you
On June 14 2024 20:35 die_meatbaby wrote: Where are you guys talk to me!!!!
I was traveling home. Got half a day off because I got to go to a special dentist.
That being said.
I skimmed your posts. Nothing pinged me.
You are still mafia.
I will skim again later. Eating now.
Why am I mafia. Why do you believe this scumteam everytime for a dmb misslynch if you are town
I dont need good reasons. You are the least townie out of all players here except maybe Slam.
Also pls dont give me these "always" "everytime" scenarios from the past because I dont remember if what you say is true. And tbh I dont believe it so..
then tell me why I am not townie. I made the first case on sandroba before other people made a real case on him. You really think that my mafia game would be this good that I would start with a sandro/mocstar case???
I dont remember you being a good factor for the sandroba lynch. The opposite was true.
On June 10 2024 21:06 die_meatbaby wrote: rsoultin/koshi Either rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would.
Scott
On June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town
I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games.
Trfl
On June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good
I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing. Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team. For right now I see him as a Townie
Sandroba https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba this is 2 page filter. he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier. far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again.
IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now: Mocsta sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me
looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates then the next posts felt to me like playing togther
On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:
On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question. If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion. If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda.
yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options
I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query)
the sandro we never saw sandro again... what happend was
Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1
I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR? Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro?
and why jail oats anyway? if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats?
Or have I already found the team here?
this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me!
also in the same time i think Vivax I think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again. He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct
or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats.
AZ I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now
Rayn In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him.
Slam to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him
AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM
that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you
I am not gonna vote dmb.
And you think AZ is town and I am mafia. So what's next?
On June 15 2024 02:39 Koshi wrote: I dont see the point of dragging info out of dmb. The longer this goes on, the more mafia she gets. Peetty sure we are on 138% now
On June 15 2024 08:32 Mocsta wrote: question is it normal for town!rayn to have this type of dialogue
i get he doesnt have to stop anyone pushing, and thats probably a good thing to scum hunt its more the end line which implies he would let it go to majority?
On June 14 2024 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record i am not gonna stop anyone pushing "AZ. You did the same to me to me D2, letting me take all the shit and no help other than Koshi (and Oats).
You may have all the shit today, we'll see where we end up.
On June 15 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote: Maybe I'm just stupid. I'd hate to get cold feet and miss out on lynching mafia for no reason, and it's possible die_meatbaby is mafia and took my hesitation as a chance to jump in and defend herself.
But also maybe not.
Someone else say something?
I'm really sorry that I wasn't as active here as usual. I still tried to do my best with an absolutely shitty time management. Also you were kinda tunneld on me but that happend to me often enough too.
Hm, I think you've had plenty of opportunities. I've reached out to you a ton. I wouldn't call that tunneled. More that there hasn't been much reason to think differently.
I'd lynch scott31337, I'd very likely lynch Vivax, I'd mayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeee lynch raynpelikoneet but probably not today.
You may be town, but still a bit of a dick. A covert one though.
On June 15 2024 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: My personal opinion is that the person who acted most suspiciously during D2 is Mocsta. Then there is scott. Then there is DMB. Then there is AZ, and finally Vivax.
I think those 5 people have 2 mafia in them. That's my order of their scumminess. And with vivax it's even very very thin chance, since i think every single player other than me left in the game wanted to lynch vivax on D2 over a very thin flimsy case.
I have not however read properly what has happened after yesterday, i didn't have time, and i need to sleep soon. I am voting for dmb because i think Koshi has very good intuition, and he is town.
So you voting me because of a read what somebody else made? Nice. Koshi didn´t even drop a fucking case. Trfl at least took the afford to explain why i look like scum
Yes i am voting for you for a case someone else made. There is nothing wrong in that.
On June 15 2024 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: My personal opinion is that the person who acted most suspiciously during D2 is Mocsta. Then there is scott. Then there is DMB. Then there is AZ, and finally Vivax.
I think those 5 people have 2 mafia in them. That's my order of their scumminess. And with vivax it's even very very thin chance, since i think every single player other than me left in the game wanted to lynch vivax on D2 over a very thin flimsy case.
I have not however read properly what has happened after yesterday, i didn't have time, and i need to sleep soon. I am voting for dmb because i think Koshi has very good intuition, and he is town.
So you voting me because of a read what somebody else made? Nice. Koshi didn´t even drop a fucking case. Trfl at least took the afford to explain why i look like scum
Yes i am voting for you for a case someone else made. There is nothing wrong in that.
*what* case?
Trfel's and Koshi's, both are basically saying the same thing.
Trfel who is voting Scott and is allergic to dmb lynch like me?
On June 15 2024 08:51 die_meatbaby wrote: kinda looks weard to me that scott is always in the safe vote wagon. Like always to the one were are more people at.
On June 15 2024 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: My personal opinion is that the person who acted most suspiciously during D2 is Mocsta. Then there is scott. Then there is DMB. Then there is AZ, and finally Vivax.
I think those 5 people have 2 mafia in them. That's my order of their scumminess. And with vivax it's even very very thin chance, since i think every single player other than me left in the game wanted to lynch vivax on D2 over a very thin flimsy case.
I have not however read properly what has happened after yesterday, i didn't have time, and i need to sleep soon. I am voting for dmb because i think Koshi has very good intuition, and he is town.
So you voting me because of a read what somebody else made? Nice. Koshi didn´t even drop a fucking case. Trfl at least took the afford to explain why i look like scum
Yes i am voting for you for a case someone else made. There is nothing wrong in that.
*what* case?
Trfel's and Koshi's, both are basically saying the same thing.
Trfel who is voting Scott and is allergic to dmb lynch like me?
To be fair I'm not voting scott31337 and only recently changed my mind about lynching die_meatbaby, but yeah I guess that's what he's saying.
On June 15 2024 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk what you want me to say Slam? If you can't figure out how it's reasonable to sheep people who you think are 100% town and decent players, then you can't.
I can, just don't call that shit a case. It's a lead to a feel which is quite different but not invalid.
On June 15 2024 19:04 Koshi wrote: Mocsta I dont care anymore. Do what you guys want. I launched 2 mafia lynches and you pussyfucks waited for me to sleep to waste the work I put in during the day.
Lynch who ever you want. Dont pretend you actually want my input.
Be the baddies you guys are in your baddie circle.
I am out.
ok dude
Man this game I just don't get it
Is it me or something or this this the new meta?
Sorry m8
For me it was timing with irl bs. I feel for Koshi here he is not lying, that is frustrating shit
On June 15 2024 19:04 Koshi wrote: Mocsta I dont care anymore. Do what you guys want. I launched 2 mafia lynches and you pussyfucks waited for me to sleep to waste the work I put in during the day.
Lynch who ever you want. Dont pretend you actually want my input.
Be the baddies you guys are in your baddie circle.
I am out.
I'm sorry as well Koshi.
My energy is running lower and lower for this game.
I suspect Trfel and Alpha will come after me again tomorrow instead of finding the other two mafia.
I'll be traveling most of the day today and will not be around until late evening.
With phrasing like that, can you really be surprised?
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On June 16 2024 02:32 Koshi wrote: Like... I said a million times to look into slam and dmb. And go fishing after that. But they insist on being shitters and dont respect anybody or anything except their own dilusions.
Asking them things is useless. Guiding them 1 cm from the promised land is useless.
On June 16 2024 02:40 Koshi wrote: Retarded fake cases d2 to waste 24hours. Fighting them tooth to nail to get Sandroba lynched while they insult us, vote us, even vote dmb.
Entire d3 I sit on dmb. Try to get the morons on dmb. It works. Dmb does nothing.
And voila. Vivax lynched.
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On June 16 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote: D2 last 24h we had this game figured out because I combined towns consensus and had sandroba/dmb. Willing to vote on both. Trying to bring peace between the 2 town groups.
And this lasted till d3 5 hours before EoD. With a lot of work.
And then the shitters who had dmb as mafia on d2 decided to lynch Vivax instead of dmb. Going full retard.
And now you will be eaten by the shark.
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Koshi Is nksi cer tian you are town
I won't ass smucnr you are right because you done thank e perfect information links the scum
On June 16 2024 17:28 Koshi wrote: How obvious I had to make it. And still you people did not lynch into a fucking redcheck.
I even said she was roleblocker to hint she was red and not godfather.
Bit you fuckers are so fucking dense.
I apologize to all other cops in previous games I thought were stupid to claim d2 with 1 check. Because towns are stupid as fuck and cant be managed into tje right direction unless you have 48 hours of free time.
If they were actually Mexican anymore they would do this last month and they are skinny because they don't eat the American shit and they actually give a damn about their health because they know what it is to get sick and they know American food is trash.
On June 13 2024 11:17 AlphaZero wrote: If scott is town this game I will never be able to play in a game he plays in.
Well we don't know who you are anyway.
who is we?
How do you know no one knows?
Scott
He is Conversion
Please read me before saying I have no posts
Why does it seem to me that you always appear just before or after someone dies
Coincidence.
But it isn't true right now, as Oats already died a while ago
Slam. There is a big chance I will push you today. I hope that is fine?
What is your dmb read?
Oh yeah that actually mak3s sense because I did a shit ton of scummy shit.
Remember you didn't offend me, you frustrated me because you were defending a objectively fallacious heuristic and defending it well which always gives me a menta BSOD.
This was in context of my finances going to hell such that I cannot visit you all.
Because of the housing crisis, mostly.
So don't worry about my fragile ego, fire away- it had much more to do with catching myself before becoming Assholekashithead.
So
Hehehe
Slam what scummy shit did you do?
Lots. I straight up started pushing a survival agenda and shitting up the thread.
Yes I can do it as town but I had specific points that I no longer remember at that time. Lots of them strongly pointed to "is scum with Rayn"
On June 17 2024 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he thinks AZ is gonna die after Koshi the only possible scenario why "slam/scott is alive" if rayn and mocsta are alive is if we lynched slam or scott. first of all if dmb flips mafia, why would we lynch slam? second of all, if we are not lynching az, mocsta or rayn, why is there a chance slam is alive?
I’m calling you mafia because you said the game was solved and that was why you were disinterested.
game is solved because after DMB we lynch scott and mocsta, and it will 100% win the game. Noone listens to me, everyone thinks i am mafia, why should i care?
On June 17 2024 23:56 AlphaZero wrote: Idk man. You kind of just accepted me as town at some point. But you know that I am one of the most dangerous scum players on the site.
It doesn’t really feel like you tried to determine my alignment.
On June 18 2024 00:06 AlphaZero wrote: Anyway I’m really going to sleep in it.
Interested in why koshi thinks you are mafia.
I cant answer that, probably because i asked Slam if he is blue, and he is pissed off at me because i voted off his wagon yesterday.
But i already know and have known Slam is not blue since he ragequit, because if he was blue, he would have claimed blue and not ragequit. Exactly why i asked him if he was blue, if he claimed blue, he would be mafia, as there is no way he is blue.
On June 17 2024 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: An how is that gonna be auto lose for yown?
If it's slam and you
Slam is auto vote me Rayn is auto vote me
Game is over
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Let's just go with dmb scum
D3 dmb 5-1 N4 koshi 4-1 D5 Scott (town) 3-1 N6 az 2-1
Mylo Rayn slam mocsta
But you're right..perhaps scum!Rayn is still sniping for a medic and I get shot tonight. Who knows
If DMB scum I have lynched mafia d2 - voted for them d3 - and lynched (Hopefully, day isn't over yet!) d4. And you still think I'm going to be lynched? I think even AZ might see the light then.
I mean, I would still think it is possible you two employed the Kush/Slam strat
I'm just saying ignore anything non flipped and go back to first principles
What makes more sense
Sandroba dmb + Rayn / Scott / mocsta / slam / az / koshi?
Do you think sandroba pushed mafia Scott d1? Did sandroba scum or town read Scott at time.of lynch? Was sandroba setting up to lynch Scott d2 or keep a scum buddy safe?
Why would mocsta shoot all the people that townread and stood up for him. Where's the benefit?
Would a scum alphazero just vote mocsta when the first dmb wagon collapsed and the shifted onto az? Why didn't he go OMGUS?
Was Rayns 2 sentence to vote sandroba really that great like he says? why did it take koshi to get the wagon going
Ask yourself how did early sandroba voters use their lynch.. one person said look how town I am.. the other said sheep me to vote more scum.. can you guess which is scummy and which is townie? Can you guess who said which?
Who gains the most by keeping shooting clear town reads (oats/trfel) instead of big players...
Rayn said it himself. He does not believe there is a protective role in the game... Ask yourself why would he know? It's certainly something you can infer if you know the mafia team setup...how else?
I know my answers and I'm voting Rayn next cycle
You also have to remember I haven't read like 60+ pages of this game
On June 20 2024 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna first say this, i don't know if it means anything to anyone and i really don't care but i am gonna say it anyways. For the past games since i rolled mafia, i have either not been able to play really, because i have been killed on N1-N2, or i have been called mafia by pretty much everyone in the obs QT at least (thankfully players in those games have been way better than obs QT).
So i decided to post in a way that i have been flamed for -- for thinking that type of posting comes from mafia, especially in the last game's obs QT. Notice that this is not saying i am playing intentionally bad, i just leave things that dont matter unsaid, and if i dont want to, or feel like to talk with someone i wont. This includes also stuff like no activity on weekends (also because i had no time past couple of weekends), only thing i didn't get to yet this game, is making arbitrary lists of no use, but i'll get to that next game.
I dont really wanna talk about D1 or N1 because unless scott is mafia, everything is just a waste of space, and if scott is mafia then i am not mafia so who the fuck cares.
I really had my most enjoyable times in this game D2-N2 talking with AZ, while a big lot of it was just him calling me mafia. But we DID have some nice conversations!! I again lost interest at some point when Trfel started calling me mafia with stuff like "you have not said anything smart", then i counter with "look Trfel, even if these things are wrong they are pretty damn smart -- backed up by other people, mainly AZ", and his response is "you havent said anything smart".... Maybe i am too old, but i dont really have any interest talking to rocks anymore, let alone convincing them.
I don't understand where this thing is coming from, that i am trying to take so "scummy credit" from sandroba's lynch (mainly pushed by mocsta)? It is literally bullshit argument. The only thing i have ever said about that, is that i pushed sandroba when everyone was on vivax, while telling (AZ) that case on vivax is bad. Idk how i am "using my credit in different way than Koshi is". it doesnt even make any sense.
Only way Koshi thought DMB is mafia is because he had a check, and i told Slam is 100% town. Just read the game, you can read it there, because Koshi thought Slam is mafia!! Then people (Koshi too!!!) start claiming that me, and me alone (apparently) was the reason DMB didn't get lynched D3. Sure, if you wanna call me mafia for not getting Koshi's soft claim, then yeah you can blame me. Here is the votecount at the time i voted though:
With 3 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I clearly said i need to go, and i will not vote for vivax over DMB (before my vote here). AZ told me to go to sleep and not worry about it, which is the biggest reason i town read him, and that's the reason i voted for vivax over him. I do not think he would do that as mafia, rather than get me to vote for vivax to save himself. It was a nice play if he actually did it as mafia, but i don't think so, also as i said before my vote, all the scummy people were voting for AZ (mocsta, DMB, scott).
I did not vote for vivax to save dmb, i voted vivax to save AZ, when the sentiment already turned into vivax vs AZ. I dont know why Koshi is blaming me for that, when basically everyone else is more to "blame".... I made a decision between my two town reads, AZ read more town.
It's also a bit confusing that at least Koshi seemed to be thinking, that i managed to figure out he is a power role enough to roleblock him, but not enough to kill him?!?!? :D I mean like i made a mistake, the biggest mistake i made this game, to not realise Koshi is a parity cop with checks on DMB and Slam. Yeah i missed it. But like if i am mafia with DMB, i make the deduction that Koshi is a power role (knowing DMB is mafia), and then i do not kill him?? I think it's a very absurd claim to say i am smart enough to figure out PR, but dumb enough not to kill them (nobody would have cared about DMB without full claim from Koshi lol). Sure him flipping PC would do the same thing, but you remove confirmed town from the game instead of what... Trfel, who just fucked up the DMB lynch all by himself? Also if i know that, why do i whiteknight Slam at that point?
Talking about that, Koshi also said i am mafia because i "bluehunted Slam". I never bluehunted Slam. I knew Slam is not blue when he ragequitted, the only reason i asked if he was blue is because if he claimed blue he would be mafia. It is just as simple as that, and Slam knows that as well. If Slam was blue he would have claimed instead of asking for replacement. If he says this is not true, then he is probably godfather or just really fucking stupid...
I also see people calling me mafia for "not voting the confirmed mafia". Well first of all that confirmed mafia is mostly confirmed because of me (as i whiteknighted Slam -- EVEN TO AZ!!!). Secondly, if we have one mislynch, who the fuck cares if i vote anyone in the three people containing two mafia? Why possibly would i do that as mafia? Mafia is all about posturing, why do i "un-pose"? It's a fucking stupid argument, apparently even AZ took that... idk what to think of that, i dont think he is mafia but if he is mafia he is mafia definitely for that. I had my reasons for "trying" that, scott passed. It doesnt mean he is town but it definitely doesnt make him mafia, which it could if he was not smart.
That's why i did the things i did. Lynch me if you lynch me, i am not mafia.
--------------------------------------------------- Now for why Mocsta is mafia though:
I could get into all shit what other people did but it's unfair, so i just stick with Mocsta.
On June 10 2024 18:31 Mocsta wrote: Rayn keeps getting pushed by my subconscious
Can't articulate. Just keep getting vision he is the key to this game
And then it is where Mocsta starts 100% following Trfel. First case on Vivax, no doubt, perfect case, gogo!
Then he has some interaction with sandroba. What's weird about that interaction is that [b]he has no intention in asking anything about Vivax, who is he voting for atm]/b], but rather about AZ and scott who noone is interested in.
And then it starts, warming up on rayn wagon. Now this is the biggest mistake he made. On we go and: Super big defense on sandroba starting from his this post in his talk with Oats.
This is why I usually sheep this man even if it is to hell 😅
On June 20 2024 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna first say this, i don't know if it means anything to anyone and i really don't care but i am gonna say it anyways. For the past games since i rolled mafia, i have either not been able to play really, because i have been killed on N1-N2, or i have been called mafia by pretty much everyone in the obs QT at least (thankfully players in those games have been way better than obs QT).
So i decided to post in a way that i have been flamed for -- for thinking that type of posting comes from mafia, especially in the last game's obs QT. Notice that this is not saying i am playing intentionally bad, i just leave things that dont matter unsaid, and if i dont want to, or feel like to talk with someone i wont. This includes also stuff like no activity on weekends (also because i had no time past couple of weekends), only thing i didn't get to yet this game, is making arbitrary lists of no use, but i'll get to that next game.
I dont really wanna talk about D1 or N1 because unless scott is mafia, everything is just a waste of space, and if scott is mafia then i am not mafia so who the fuck cares.
I really had my most enjoyable times in this game D2-N2 talking with AZ, while a big lot of it was just him calling me mafia. But we DID have some nice conversations!! I again lost interest at some point when Trfel started calling me mafia with stuff like "you have not said anything smart", then i counter with "look Trfel, even if these things are wrong they are pretty damn smart -- backed up by other people, mainly AZ", and his response is "you havent said anything smart".... Maybe i am too old, but i dont really have any interest talking to rocks anymore, let alone convincing them.
I don't understand where this thing is coming from, that i am trying to take so "scummy credit" from sandroba's lynch (mainly pushed by mocsta)? It is literally bullshit argument. The only thing i have ever said about that, is that i pushed sandroba when everyone was on vivax, while telling (AZ) that case on vivax is bad. Idk how i am "using my credit in different way than Koshi is". it doesnt even make any sense.
Only way Koshi thought DMB is mafia is because he had a check, and i told Slam is 100% town. Just read the game, you can read it there, because Koshi thought Slam is mafia!! Then people (Koshi too!!!) start claiming that me, and me alone (apparently) was the reason DMB didn't get lynched D3. Sure, if you wanna call me mafia for not getting Koshi's soft claim, then yeah you can blame me. Here is the votecount at the time i voted though:
On June 15 2024 09:19 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three VoteCount
With 3 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I clearly said i need to go, and i will not vote for vivax over DMB (before my vote here). AZ told me to go to sleep and not worry about it, which is the biggest reason i town read him, and that's the reason i voted for vivax over him. I do not think he would do that as mafia, rather than get me to vote for vivax to save himself. It was a nice play if he actually did it as mafia, but i don't think so, also as i said before my vote, all the scummy people were voting for AZ (mocsta, DMB, scott).
I did not vote for vivax to save dmb, i voted vivax to save AZ, when the sentiment already turned into vivax vs AZ. I dont know why Koshi is blaming me for that, when basically everyone else is more to "blame".... I made a decision between my two town reads, AZ read more town.
It's also a bit confusing that at least Koshi seemed to be thinking, that i managed to figure out he is a power role enough to roleblock him, but not enough to kill him?!?!? :D I mean like i made a mistake, the biggest mistake i made this game, to not realise Koshi is a parity cop with checks on DMB and Slam. Yeah i missed it. But like if i am mafia with DMB, i make the deduction that Koshi is a power role (knowing DMB is mafia), and then i do not kill him?? I think it's a very absurd claim to say i am smart enough to figure out PR, but dumb enough not to kill them (nobody would have cared about DMB without full claim from Koshi lol). Sure him flipping PC would do the same thing, but you remove confirmed town from the game instead of what... Trfel, who just fucked up the DMB lynch all by himself? Also if i know that, why do i whiteknight Slam at that point?
Talking about that, Koshi also said i am mafia because i "bluehunted Slam". I never bluehunted Slam. I knew Slam is not blue when he ragequitted, the only reason i asked if he was blue is because if he claimed blue he would be mafia. It is just as simple as that, and Slam knows that as well. If Slam was blue he would have claimed instead of asking for replacement. If he says this is not true, then he is probably godfather or just really fucking stupid...
I also see people calling me mafia for "not voting the confirmed mafia". Well first of all that confirmed mafia is mostly confirmed because of me (as i whiteknighted Slam -- EVEN TO AZ!!!). Secondly, if we have one mislynch, who the fuck cares if i vote anyone in the three people containing two mafia? Why possibly would i do that as mafia? Mafia is all about posturing, why do i "un-pose"? It's a fucking stupid argument, apparently even AZ took that... idk what to think of that, i dont think he is mafia but if he is mafia he is mafia definitely for that. I had my reasons for "trying" that, scott passed. It doesnt mean he is town but it definitely doesnt make him mafia, which it could if he was not smart.
That's why i did the things i did. Lynch me if you lynch me, i am not mafia.
--------------------------------------------------- Now for why Mocsta is mafia though:
I could get into all shit what other people did but it's unfair, so i just stick with Mocsta.
On June 10 2024 12:29 Mocsta wrote: Why does everyone keep posting combos
We don't have the flips for association
keep this in mind at first. and this:
On June 10 2024 13:05 Mocsta wrote: Is Sandroba at risk of inactivity modkill?
Last post greater than 48hrs ago.
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: xxxx
and this:
On June 10 2024 18:31 Mocsta wrote: Rayn keeps getting pushed by my subconscious
Can't articulate. Just keep getting vision he is the key to this game
And then it is where Mocsta starts 100% following Trfel. First case on Vivax, no doubt, perfect case, gogo!
Then he has some interaction with sandroba. What's weird about that interaction is that [b]he has no intention in asking anything about Vivax, who is he voting for atm]/b], but rather about AZ and scott who noone is interested in.
And then it starts, warming up on rayn wagon. Now this is the biggest mistake he made. On we go and: Super big defense on sandroba starting from his this post in his talk with Oats.
This is why I usually sheep this man even if it is to hell 😅
Pretty sure you would have been lynched already if i was mafia.