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On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions?
what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up?
to me this is different exploration than association team spits.
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On June 10 2024 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions? what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits. Yeah it’s an even bigger waste of time thanks mate
can always count on you to pop up out of the wood work
you voting me or what?
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On June 10 2024 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:34 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 13:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions? what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits. Yeah it’s an even bigger waste of time thanks mate can always count on you to pop up out of the wood work you voting me or what? Not yet. You gonna give some real thoughts anytime soon? nah im really glazed over with info overwhelm
my committment is to later read the trfel vivax + rayn posts very seriously
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=110#2191
going for real now
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On June 10 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote:
Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today.
Tomorrow I work from home.
But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm.
marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically.
Will need to reread his filter first. yeah i know that pain..
possibly one of the more key posts in marv filter
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906
im yet to analyse the case yet
clusterfuck indeed
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Rayn keeps getting pushed by my subconscious
Can't articulate. Just keep getting vision he is the key to this game
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On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the moment
Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner
##vote:vivax
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On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbh
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On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him
That's a good point too
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On June 10 2024 19:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbh I wonder if he is the protective role
That would suck ;(
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On June 10 2024 19:37 Koshi wrote:
marv was the more obvious nk. But not going to theorycraft too much on it. Maybe jailkeeper did an aggressive block.
Or roleblock - no noti
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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected. fair enough
I can't recall a time I have seen someone burn effort like that
I guess koshi point is that scum would more likely polarised by calling marv scum
It's the null territory that's unusual
At least how I understood it
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Lol
Dmb reminds me of that addict that will pay you back next week 
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On June 10 2024 20:52 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:13 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, is scott31337 still your preferred lynch today? I'm curious if anyone else is worth considering from your perspective? I’m worried I’m tunnelled so I’m going to take a step back. I want to spend some time reviewing things when I get a chance. Not sure when that will be. I would probably lynch him if I had my way because then I am either visited or I can move on and clear my mind a bit. I’m trying to do that anyway as basically everyone except Alan and vivax are not interested in lynching him and that’s not great company to keep. I’d be interested In a Sandro, dmb or Rayn lynch right now. But I’m backing your play here and seeing how things develop Who is Alan?
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On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.
Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .
Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.
If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.
Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.
My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?
After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076
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On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.
I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now.
Carry on with the read and we see where it goes
It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too
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Hi sandroba.. what were you referring to here?
On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote:
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today
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On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too You think that case is good? read my.prior post to sandroba for significance
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On June 10 2024 23:20 Mocsta wrote:Hi sandroba.. what were you referring to here? Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote:
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today
Sorry to clarify
What is the weird vibe from kelsier
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Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon?
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On June 10 2024 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
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Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too You think that case is good? read my.prior post to sandroba for significance The question is yes/no + why lmao. Why don’t you wanna answer it az is town. The case is wrong by default
What's your point?
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