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On June 08 2024 13:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding? More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed hey mate, i dont understand yes havent posted to scott, however, my opinion on what happened has been stated numerous times. vivax though, i have no idea what you could be referring to that was significant?
You literally say that your top scum read is az and a significant part of that I would reckon to be from the way hes handled vivax no?
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On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in  woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that.
Why az mafia?
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Withholds information how?
Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird
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On June 08 2024 18:53 marvellosity wrote:
Oats - Im not sure Vivax is a great lynch today.
Listening to DMB at least today on Vivax doesn’t seem like a bad idea regardless of her alignment. I’ve flicked Vivax’s filter again and although he could definitely be… more vivaxy? - it also isn’t really giving me scum vibes after all.
Tbh calling me town does freak me out a little bit but he’s actually done the same as town in a very recent game, so maybe his outlook on me is maturing a little?
I think the weird way he’s going about this Mocsta push is probably more likely to come from the town version of himself. It’s game relevant but he’s making it weird, which is classic Vivax
It’s not that he’s calling you town specifically. It’s just a complete nonsensical train of thought from a town player to open the way vivax did and then try to appear random and “townie” by throwing out random townreads
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On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well  Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster.
Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero?
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On June 08 2024 20:07 marvellosity wrote:
My bones are telling me there’s a mafia in rsoul/rayn
Stop stealing my ideas
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On June 08 2024 20:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster. Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero? One and a half differences. One difference: I brought legit reasons to talk about. Not random suspicions and paranoia and spookies. Half difference: not being able to figure out your alignment, especially having such a dramatically different take on it than everyone else does, is driving me insane.
Your legit reasons are random spookiness to everyone else as you can see it hasn’t gained any traction.
So again I ask, what’s the difference?
Your main point was that alpha zero wasn’t a day 1 lynch so he shouldn’t be discussed
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On June 08 2024 20:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:07 marvellosity wrote:
My bones are telling me there’s a mafia in rsoul/rayn Stop stealing my ideas Where did this come from? I didn't see any suspicions of them in your filter tbh.
My brain
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Which I why I said ideas and not posts
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I’m coming around to what Marv thinks about mocsta
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On June 08 2024 20:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:08 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster. Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero? One and a half differences. One difference: I brought legit reasons to talk about. Not random suspicions and paranoia and spookies. Half difference: not being able to figure out your alignment, especially having such a dramatically different take on it than everyone else does, is driving me insane. Your legit reasons are random spookiness to everyone else as you can see it hasn’t gained any traction. So again I ask, what’s the difference? Your main point was that alpha zero wasn’t a day 1 lynch so he shouldn’t be discussed No, no, that's not how this works. Reasons can be good or bad, random spookiness isn't a bad reason, it's no reason, it's fearmongering. I've said this like five times now. One more. I don't want to discuss someone if all of the following are true: 1. near a lynch deadline 2. the person in question is extremely unlikely to be lynched 3. there are no actual reasons presented to suspect the person. Note that this is very different from bad reasons. Once again, and for the last time, all three things have to be true. As you can see this with AlphaZero, I didn't want to discuss him when there were no reasons. As soon as Mocsta posted his reasons, I discussed it with him, and I would be happy to continue discussing based on those reasons. I don't get how this is so hard to understand?
Damn 1-3 are all true for what you think about me.
If 3 isn’t true then surely you can quote some posts that I made right?
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On June 08 2024 20:51 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:26 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:08 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster. Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero? One and a half differences. One difference: I brought legit reasons to talk about. Not random suspicions and paranoia and spookies. Half difference: not being able to figure out your alignment, especially having such a dramatically different take on it than everyone else does, is driving me insane. Your legit reasons are random spookiness to everyone else as you can see it hasn’t gained any traction. So again I ask, what’s the difference? Your main point was that alpha zero wasn’t a day 1 lynch so he shouldn’t be discussed No, no, that's not how this works. Reasons can be good or bad, random spookiness isn't a bad reason, it's no reason, it's fearmongering. I've said this like five times now. One more. I don't want to discuss someone if all of the following are true: 1. near a lynch deadline 2. the person in question is extremely unlikely to be lynched 3. there are no actual reasons presented to suspect the person. Note that this is very different from bad reasons. Once again, and for the last time, all three things have to be true. As you can see this with AlphaZero, I didn't want to discuss him when there were no reasons. As soon as Mocsta posted his reasons, I discussed it with him, and I would be happy to continue discussing based on those reasons. I don't get how this is so hard to understand? Damn 1-3 are all true for what you think about me. If 3 isn’t true then surely you can quote some posts that I made right? What the heck do you think this was?!?!! Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 14:23 Trfel wrote:Sorry for getting frustrated earlier. I shouldn't try and play when I have company over. Again, I'm more than happy to talk about AlphaZero if anyone has any specifics to discuss. I don't want to just point fingers and suspicions for no reason, that doesn't help anyone. Either get serious and give actual reasons or wait until you have actual reasons, if discrediting people for no reason is commonly acceptable, the game becomes a mess. Maybe I'm blind but I haven't seen any substantial reasons to suspect AlphaZero posted so far.
OatsmasterOn June 08 2024 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax mafia On June 08 2024 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think vivax is easily mafia here though, he’s playing super scared to make posts and has resorted to posting inane townreads On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? On June 08 2024 09:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax coming in and complaining about me is clsssic scum!vivax cmon.
The Scott stuff kinda boring, I get it but he’s not mafia These are the important posts I found in Oatsmaster's filter. The rest are mostly questions or random comments, basically things other than sharing his thoughts and pushing his reads. I realize this is subjective, so here is Oatsmaster's filter if you want to look for yourself. Honestly for having made 61 game posts, I'm pretty underwhelmed. He's had plenty of opportunity, and all he's come up with is this weird Vivax push. I'd like to break down his reasons for suspecting/pushing Vivax. 1. Vivax is scared to post (I'll reinterpret this as Vivax not being very active, it's hard for me to understand how you can interpret a lack of activity as mafia being scared to post) 2. Vivax has made silly townreads without reasoning to back them up 3. Vivax isn't constantly seeing shadows (I think this means he isn't being tinfoil-y?) 4. This post from Vivax is a classic mafia post: On June 08 2024 08:20 Vivax wrote:On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? AZ calls you blanket top town too and it doesn‘t bother you. Doesn‘t surprise me you‘d miss that detail, so it‘s meh. Honestly I don't think these reasons are very good at all. 1. Vivax isn't very active. I don't think low activity means someone is mafia, this is very underwhelming. 2. Vivax made silly townreads without reason. It's common for people to make early townreads with little/no reasoning, and I think this is especially common for Vivax, actually. No clue why this is supposed to be suspicious. 3. Vivax isn't tinfoily. It's 27.5 hours in, there isn't much to be tinfoily about. That tends to happen more in longer games. 4. That post comes from mafia. I think Vivax is making a valid point in the post, I don't see why it is mafia motivated. So the main thing Oatsmaster has done this game is pretty baseless. You can make tonereads or vibe reads or whatever, but the substance in Oatsmaster's play just isn't there, despite plenty of opportunity.
You quoted my obviously good push on vivax that everyone else in the game liked congrats. What other things in my filter are underwhelming
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On June 08 2024 21:21 AlphaZero wrote:
This game is very weird where people spend their time defending each other and not trying to find mafia .
It’s just trfel tbf
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Doesn’t think Scott is mafia and doesn’t think mocsta is mafia and spends reams of paper explaining why
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On June 08 2024 21:25 Trfel wrote:
If someone asks me about something I'm most likely going to respond. You're going to have to deal with it.
Except when it comes to alpha zero
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On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 21:18 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh. What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point. Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different.
Can you show this behavior happening through a series of quoted posts?
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On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that.
He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad
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On June 08 2024 21:34 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that. He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad True, but ‘not here’ tends to be alignment indicative more often than not.
That’s not true
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Of the bottom 3 posters what’s the average hit rate for them to be mafia?
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On June 08 2024 21:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that. He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad oats dude, my impression of sandy is he comes in and parrots the thread and parks on scott who at the time had the most thread sentiment against him i know this comes from focusing overmuch on him parroting what i said on truffle early game when he was stiff as a board, but then he drops truffle. one interpretation is he sees the exact same thing everyone else does later in the game while he's catching up i'll admit it's easy to have 'correct' reads when mirroring thread sentiment after the fact. i don't see anything good or original from him except maybe the kelsier being grumpy makes him town? and it's just stupid weird that he literally says scum!rso has hard pushed me but i think they're just terrible this time and rayn's scum but rayn's metaread on them is giving me more pause over my own experiences with her when she was mafia how does that make sense? yes i'm focused on me but whatever lol >< i'm not pretending to be objective can you actually quote some posts
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