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I don't have a good reason but she is pretty chill and is solving the game in her own world in a way I can believe she would do as town. She should not be on the table for at least 2 days. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:33 marvellosity wrote: Explain your stuff already. I’m interested! Ok on scott I can make a towncase. Last thing I do today. | ||
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On June 07 2024 12:50 scott31337 wrote: Scumslip See you already know I'm "pretending" to be mafia. I already know I'm town. Do you see me driving discussion? I've been looking since 10pm. 1) In the nested quote you see him playfully attacking Tfrel. Which is difficult to do as mafia. It has a good balance between get off me, + applying pressure to Tfrel to gauge a reaction. 2) Seeing the scumslip here is more likely to come from town reading and interpreting things to a maximum. As mafia things like this are way harder to do on the fly, if one is really good at playing mafia maybe it is possible, but the last part "I know I am town" is an unnecessarily lie at the end to make as mafia. I can't even explain properly why he added it at the end, but I think he tries to be witty with the truth but butchers the joke a bit. 3) He overestimates his own contributions to the thread but again, I can see a townie scott believing he is driving the town into victory more than a mafia scott bluffing. (I will quote some more but this analysis should be teached at schools.) | ||
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On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote: Wouldn't lynch order raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs. Vivax - feels like his townie game too. marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia. Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him. rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise. Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different. Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r. Really good btw. Mocsta is his only mistake. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:52 Vivax wrote: Ah yes microanalysis and overexplaining. It‘s like using a microscope to find a germ while you‘re standing in a puddle of sewage water. Where is the sewage water? What is the case on scott actually? | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know if this sounds stupid, but for this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=22#435 , i think Slam sounded town. I am not sure if i can explain it better, i can try if you want me to, but most likely it's not gonna be much of use. During N1 however he is being pretty sharp, which is not like Slam's MO in any case. I do not judge him on what he says, but how he says it. Idk how he seems to be waffling around me/you being mafia (while not saying so). It bothers me. I agree. I read his filter after DMB and I am not very convinced on slam. | ||
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On June 09 2024 06:25 scott31337 wrote: I haven't liked Sandroba from the start. Probably my #3 scum behind AZ. (Keis is 1st ATM) Rsoul is a townlean at the moment and having quite a few of the same thoughts as I am. Rayn is a slight town lean as well - but he is usually more inquisitive/scum hunting (like our last game) D1 - but with his announced commitment, I'm not lynching him today. Again good. I don't fully understand his boner for AZ but AZ is not as town to me as marv and rayn are tbh. I read some good things from AZ early game and that is why I thought he was iamp. He also had a good start somewhere but then just felt back doing snippy snappy things while being okish town. I haven't paid enough attention to him but he feels like that. But then there is the follow up on sandroba: On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote: The major thing(s) with Sandroba is - And then went to There was a post from Keis - And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null. It's just consistent and good. He is solving the game. I need to read a case on him tbh. Because I don't see how this guy was ever a wagon. | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote: Vivax + Show Spoiler + Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote: I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote: There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337:What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing. Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote: And then this?Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote: He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch.Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote: Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience. Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote: Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote: Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead?Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote: The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. What is the core of your case? You believe town!Vivax should be trying to convince the thread to lynch scott more because his mindset is that scott is sure mafia? The fact Vivax is not doing that makes you think that this is mafia!Vivax faking reads. Because some of the quotes from your previous case felt like it was just Vivax bantering and being at worst apathic about towns capabilities based on previous games and stuff. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote: I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down  Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level. Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment. | ||
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I think falling into it as mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2024 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: you think youre falling into it as mafia? :D I think he thinks I am Good conversation :D | ||
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(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: anyone here? No I am going to bed. I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game. I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that. | ||
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My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:20 Mocsta wrote: Definitely not scum together Like can you at least read my end of day1 filter if you are going to keep this up Yes where I transition to my former townread and your current townread scott We will talk a lot tomorrow and after that. It is difficult for me to read your filter, so we will have to figure it out in conversation. | ||
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Tomorrow I work from home. But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm. marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically. Will need to reread his filter first. | ||
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On June 10 2024 16:33 Mocsta wrote: yeah i know that pain.. possibly one of the more key posts in marv filter https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906 im yet to analyse the case yet clusterfuck indeed Vivax, rayn mafia team? Oof... Ok. I will have thinking to do. | ||
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