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On June 08 2024 04:20 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont really care what marv does as long as he does something, that should tell enough. Marv can be looking "terrible" as town as well.
One of his something's however is a shit read on rsoultin. marv, elaborate on that? Yes but he didn't do anything? His mafia reads are scott31337, who he didn't even mention, and Mocsta, who he did ask a question or two to. It doesn't look like uninvested town marvellosity to me, it looks like he doesn't actually care about finding mafia. Even uninterested town marvellosity would remember his thoughts for later. He wouldn't have many thoughts, but he would still care about the thoughts he did have.
I’m glad you know me better than I know myself, cupcake
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On June 08 2024 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
slam town btw
Why pls
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On June 08 2024 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read this is a townie post imo. fuck it i actually think Oats is town here.
Agree
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On June 08 2024 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
ehhhh nah i'm still not feeling marv. it would be super fun to lynch a scum marv throwing shade at me, but i can't get over that breezy playful tone
I’m a sucker for this 🙄
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To be honest, I still don’t get this sand thing.
Maybe I’m blinded because I like sand but I just agree with almost everything he’s saying. I mean in the world sand is mafia, he’d have to have magically had a whole bunch of the same reads for the same reasons and I can’t get behind that theory
I think rsoul looks quite good during my catch up but I don’t understand the sand read for the above reasons. I would lynch her over sand in a 1v1
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Tomorrow I am going to re look at kelsier (through truffle’s eyes) because I think Trfel is town and I’m curious about the lack of traction he’s getting (I am well aware I am part of that lack of traction!)
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On June 08 2024 08:25 AlphaZero wrote:
Phew I have put in some work today.
What a legend
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I don’t have too much else to say, but I guess Vivax trended down a bit, rsoul hasn’t moved from null but is now somewhere around there but for different reasons.
I didn’t actually like slams posts but rayn said he was town and I trust his read more than mine. I assume rayn would tell the truth as either alignment unless him and slam were maf together (which I am not proposing)
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On June 08 2024 08:26 AlphaZero wrote:
Now I just need to figure out trfel if he joins the circle town could be unstoppable.
Question for you just for funsies
Do you think Trfel is self aware enough as a mafia (the game) player to know that his posting style this game comes off noticeably different to normal
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On June 08 2024 08:20 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 08:05 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:40 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned?  Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said The argument isn't really about rsoultin's filter, it's that rsoultin's last post at the time in question was about halfway down page 8 of the thread. I don't understand what you are expecting her, or anyone for that matter, to say, at that point in the thread when there is so little actual information to work with? Okay. Here it is. To be frank I had no idea where in the thread rsouls last post went to. I just clicked her filter because someone (??) mentioned her and I looked and didn’t see much. If the context of the thread is that she shouldn’t have said anything, I am more than happy to stand corrected. I mean, I assume there was a reason she was in my null pile when I made the list I mean I guess it depends on your standards for post quality by mid page 8. To me, there wasn't a ton worth deeply analyzing, just the scott31337 thing and maybe a small raynpelikoneet thing if you care about that. You misunderstood what I said truffle I don't think I did? But maybe I'm just stupid. Regardless I don't think it's important. I mean maybe me being stupid is important in the negative sense, but that's a bit harder to fix. Regardless I'm happy to let this drop for now and let you do your thing.
On June 08 2024 07:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:53 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. I agree about Vivax, he feels decidedly meh to me. Can I ask more about sandroba? Are you referring to the posts 2 hours ago, or 4? Because reading over both, I don't actually feel like he is doing much, just kinda asking questions. This isn't bad per se, but it doesn't really give me any reason to townread him? He hasn't had a ton of meaningful thoughts in a while imo. I’m talking about his catchup and entry into the thread. If you don’t think it’s bad what’s the issue. Sandro will look townie if he is town. I don't see a ton wrong with what sandroba has posted tbh, it's more that I think he's capable of more? I was just trying to understand since it felt like a lot of people were having him as a top scumread and I am not seeing that super easily.
On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? What do you mean by seeing shadows? Is that the same as being afraid to post, or something different? Do you not expect Vivax to randomly call some things town if he is town? Bottom point is bad play as mafia attempting to look random and post random unsubstantiated things. You’ve played with vivax before, you know how he gets seeing shadows if he’s town. I guess you're describing Vivax's tinfoily-ness? I mean yeah, posting an unsubstantiated townread isn't the most compelling, but to be honest I thought it was common for people to have little/no explanation for early townreads? Like I don't see anything amazing in Vivax's filter, it's kinda meh imo. I do like that he commented on AlphaZero dropping his scumread on scott31337 (I don't agree that this is what AlphaZero did, but I think it's reasonable for Vivax to think and believe this and I think it shows that he's paying attention, even if imo he got it wrong). I don't really understand how he can townread marvellosity so easily, and imo he could definitely have more quality/content. I'm not seeing much reason to lynch him though, his posting is a little underwhelming but not coming across as mafia motivated to me. By all means do your thing, if you have more specific things I should look at I'm happy to take a look at them and I definitely could be missing stuff. I'm just not seeing it at a glance.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote:@trfel it felt like a lot of people were having him as a top scumread and I am not seeing that super easily. Imma need you to source this please, who has him as a top scum read currenrly It's just an impression I got, I could absolutely be wrong. Maybe it was just rsoultin being really vocal. Don't really care enough to check.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:13 Vivax wrote:
I‘m at work fyi. Can‘t be all over the thread as usual. I‘m also in a really shitty mood but some who pretend to know me can likely figure it out Sorry Vivax, hope you feel better soon 
@marvellosity, I definitely could be wrong, that's just my attempt to understand your perspective. Even if I'm not very good at it I don't see an alternative to trying?Also about Mocsta, are you referring to this? Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:53 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 22:50 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 22:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 22:37 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 22:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 17:05 Mocsta wrote:
*filter starts*
Hi
On plane about to take off.
I'm surprised by quant of posts and even more so that peoples essence is bringing back such strong memories. Pretty cool.
Have skim read. Trfel stood out to me as sentiment over a few posts felt forced / overly processed%. Not sure if that's his meta though. Certainly not a scum claim. Also felt a little similar with rsoultin. Specifically, please? I retracted later No, you said he improved. So the original posts must remain. What were they? *coughs* Twas reading his filter Nothing comes to mind in the same way which aligns with my retraction to be fair. I suspect it was related to his flow in the early game. I found it disjointed when read as a thread.
Bolded made me smile a lot. And yes I meant those posts
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On June 08 2024 08:33 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 08:26 AlphaZero wrote:
Now I just need to figure out trfel if he joins the circle town could be unstoppable. Question for you just for funsies Do you think Trfel is self aware enough as a mafia (the game) player to know that his posting style this game comes off noticeably different to normal Yea, especially when it’s pointed out.
So if we’re saying he is mafia (hypothetically only for funsies) do you think he’d decide to post in said noticeably different style?
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On June 08 2024 08:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
Tomorrow I am going to re look at kelsier (through truffle’s eyes) because I think Trfel is town and I’m curious about the lack of traction he’s getting (I am well aware I am part of that lack of traction!) It's possible the lack of attraction is association with me
Yes it’s possible
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On June 08 2024 08:49 AlphaZero wrote:
Scott not considering the game state with my vivax read and what it means about my alignment is the second scummiest thing that happened this game.
The first being Scott’s opening posts.
Town circle activate!
I’m really tired and stoned so it’s taken me ages to parse this. But I was determined to before sleep haha.
And all that to say I agree with you. I think moreso because (as previously mentioned) Vivax had trended down, and so even WITHOUT oats saying anything and whatever else that’s a reasonable thread read.
##vote: Scott
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On June 08 2024 09:10 Trfel wrote:Not really sure what to say. I don't know what to think of scott31337, he looks suspicious but I feel like I've mislynched him a million times and I'm not sure if this game is any different I was trying to mess with him to change something and let me get a read on him but it didn't really work. Maybe I should see if the discrepancies in his posts are mafia motivated? I guess that makes sense? Idon't think the early thing about masons/whisperers/whatever had much mafia motivation. It's clumsy, but honestly it strikes me more as clumsy than scummy.I actually kinda liked scott31337's post on AlphaZero. Not that I agree with it, but I think it's a reasonable perspective for scott31337 to have as town? I don't know why he would do this as mafia, I guess I doubt he'd have the confidence? I could definitely be wrong, but like, scott31337 brought up an original argument. That's pretty neat. Even if it's (imo) a bad argument, I'm still pleasantly surprised So yeah, I kinda don't want to lynch scott31337. Could absolutely be wrong, it's far from the worst lynch ever, but I don't find the arguments super compelling given the context.
Don't really want to lynch sandroba either unless something changes, either in his play or in my read. His play hasn't been super inspiring or anything imo, but I don't think that makes him mafia. Maybe if we keep waiting and this doesn't change I could start to see it but we haven't even been playing for 24 hours, I don't think it's reasonable to hold him to super high standards at this time. If he did something scummy that'd be different, but a lack of super towny stuff doesn't make him mafia imo.
I guess I'll just wait and hope that either people re-evaluate Kelsi3r or I'm wrong (which is pretty likely tbh, I have no idea how to find mafia on day 1 especially, my reads tend to be more accurate when flipped upside down). So maybe it's a good thing that no one agrees XD
Or clumsy in a scummy way
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On June 08 2024 09:15 rsoultin wrote:
or easy lynchbait
Rude :p
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On June 08 2024 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
so like, in the world of you and az...viva and scott are both scum
i mean i guess it's possible but such an early buss feels strange?
Vivax may or may not be scum. He can be town. Just because he looks a bit worse than early d1 doesn’t make him maf necessarily. Regardless it’s too weak of a pre~flip association to pay any attention to. And you should know better tbh :p
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On June 08 2024 09:18 rsoultin wrote:
i mean nothing's easier than policy lynching plus catching someone on a so-called objective inconsistency
Policy lynching?
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And objective inconsistency? What are you actually talking about lol
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On June 08 2024 09:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:18 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
so like, in the world of you and az...viva and scott are both scum
i mean i guess it's possible but such an early buss feels strange? Vivax may or may not be scum. He can be town. Just because he looks a bit worse than early d1 doesn’t make him maf necessarily. Regardless it’s too weak of a pre~flip association to pay any attention to. And you should know better tbh :p i mean sure but you were ready to lynch him two seconds before az called scott so like...what changed?
When was I??
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On June 08 2024 09:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
And objective inconsistency? What are you actually talking about lol az's gotcha moment
That’s not objective inconsistency. It’s about a distance and lack of congruence with the thread
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