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Somewhat shocked of all things sandroba could post on. It's that
Am I missing relevance? It's not like that is his final post?
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On June 07 2024 22:57 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:56 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 22:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 22:51 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 22:50 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote:
I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all.
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Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push? at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not. What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post? Further, doesn’t this imply you thought trfel was doing the above? No? So you considered that statement and when you thought it was about truffles it wasn’t worth addressing? no Why is that? what do you mean? I view your issue as categorically false so perhaps it could have been misaimed. It was not misaimed.
Please respond to my post now
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On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me.
Lol
Talk about gaslighting
Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate
Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia.....
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On June 07 2024 23:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... That’s not what gaslighting is off topic but it is in the basis of telling me I'm wrong and then I ask for more saying I'm too stupid to get it or lazy or whatever
I much prefer his tone on most recent post since this so don't intend to talk about this comment any further. Just sought to stand my ground on a topic that matters in real life. No worries if you still disagree.
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On June 07 2024 23:14 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:08 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... That’s not what gaslighting is Careful, that could be considered a mild nitpick Marv.
Lol! I did retort
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On June 07 2024 23:15 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:13 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... I gave you an answer. Your whole approach has been nitpick-y which is why I found it funny that you called me out on it. (And I don’t even agree that my post was nitpicking, I raised a valid point) Unless you think we should just argue back and forth about whether you did or did not nitpick.? In a most nitpicky fashion? Edit: typos no I don't want to argue back and forth
And would assume.its making overall town environment worse than better given no one has endorsed
Frankly I'm still cautious of you as I assume you are of me
I just accept for now this is at an impasse
Could it be possible.both of us are defiant in what we believe are valid points. Maybe. I'm not closed to this. Although I don't find that to be a town v town tell either. Hence why I'm ok to leave this alone for time being
Is there anyone you are interested in my thoughts on (other than trfel or kelsier)?
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On June 07 2024 23:28 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:15 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 23:13 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... I gave you an answer. Your whole approach has been nitpick-y which is why I found it funny that you called me out on it. (And I don’t even agree that my post was nitpicking, I raised a valid point) Unless you think we should just argue back and forth about whether you did or did not nitpick.? In a most nitpicky fashion? Edit: typos no I don't want to argue back and forth And would assume.its making overall town environment worse than better given no one has endorsed Frankly I'm still cautious of you as I assume you are of me I just accept for now this is at an impasse Could it be possible.both of us are defiant in what we believe are valid points. Maybe. I'm not closed to this. Although I don't find that to be a town v town tell either. Hence why I'm ok to leave this alone for time being Is there anyone you are interested in my thoughts on (other than trfel or kelsier)? Yes. Scott. I'm more mixed on him than I recalled to be fair
After a filter read I didn't recognize all his posts relate to the mason stuff.
Early game I was ok with the question as could just be a guy that got a whisper role and then next couple posts are in response to queries.. overall to me indifferent at that point
But that mason talk continues when some other avenues started to open up makes me is a point of caution for me
I will be paying attention to next 24hrs as i want to see more opinions outside of mason stuff
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On June 07 2024 23:49 sandroba wrote:
Mocsta, what are the townie things about scott that are giving you mixed feelings? that's a fair pull up
Mixed was a poor word choice for being in the middle/neutral
Certainly I don't view his early game as scummy as what others have pointed out. I get setup talk is more.often scum yet this game does have unusual setup and in my mind that balances out.
The rain agreement to me is also a minor point. Yes perhaps he is scum and just seeking to bullshit and close discussion or could equally have wanted a reputable opinion of a whisperer
I concede if he is not a whisperer than it's not in his favourz and by odds that 12 of 13 or what ever headcount is.. so I can see after this response I'm.stixking up for a very very low chance outcome
His end of filter I was surprised by.. I thought he shifted away from mason. So basically I don't have a town tell as I was too hedged on alternative worlds where could just be a whisperer which is too low odds to assume a defense point
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On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options
I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query)
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On June 08 2024 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:06 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:49 sandroba wrote:
Mocsta, what are the townie things about scott that are giving you mixed feelings? that's a fair pull up Mixed was a poor word choice for being in the middle/neutral Certainly I don't view his early game as scummy as what others have pointed out. I get setup talk is more.often scum yet this game does have unusual setup and in my mind that balances out. The rain agreement to me is also a minor point. Yes perhaps he is scum and just seeking to bullshit and close discussion or could equally have wanted a reputable opinion of a whisperer I concede if he is not a whisperer than it's not in his favourz and by odds that 12 of 13 or what ever headcount is.. so I can see after this response I'm.stixking up for a very very low chance outcome His end of filter I was surprised by.. I thought he shifted away from mason. So basically I don't have a town tell as I was too hedged on alternative worlds where could just be a whisperer which is too low odds to assume a defense point Can you answer Marvs question I don't know what is outstanding?
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On June 08 2024 04:31 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean what are you talking about regarding me? You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that. Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town. @Alakaslam, it looks like you are posting as you catch up, but just in case that isn't true, here is the post you said you wanted to see. I also bring this up to make a point about Kelsi3r. Raynpelikoneet does a very nice job of explaining how he can think someone is town due a read he doesn't agree with. My point though, is, see how it requires a meaningful explanation? Like without the explanation, it doesn't make sense. I can kinda understand Kelsi3r townreading AlphaZero for his scott31337 post, but I really can't understand townreading rsoultin for being interested in AlphaZero's scott31337 post. If he had an explanation that made it make sense I'd consider it, but he doesn't, his explanation is pretty weak imo, and not at all insightful.
It's not that what Kelsi3r did is inherently scummy, it's that the way he went about it doesn't make sense. well said mofo - hat is my sentiment precisely .
Rayn rsoultin read is also different as it's a meta read based on direct experience.
Also I interpreted marv read me as townie lol!
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On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read dayam I chuckled.outnloud with this
Town slight lean for me right there
Is this bravado in mafia!oats range?
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On June 08 2024 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
ehhhh nah i'm still not feeling marv. it would be super fun to lynch a scum marv throwing shade at me, but i can't get over that breezy playful tone
Agreed , I don't remember him being that fun as mafia
Marv should self-resolve by day 2 or. At worst 3
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On June 08 2024 07:57 marvellosity wrote:
Also can I just say.
If you all think I’m too smart to make a poor post on rsoul because she hadn’t posted after page 8.
Then you need to be consistent and understand I am also too smart as mafia to make that post.
Because I am now suffering the inevitable conclusion.
I refer back to my list post once more as that’s where I actually stood having read the game. My bad for not contextualising rsouls filter.
Touche
Town and mafia can make this point yet the delivery is just too good
Cannot lymch today
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On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:07 Trfel wrote:Having second thoughts about marvellosity. I think I do actually want to pursue this after all. On June 07 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. I agree with this, the logic doesn’t track. On June 08 2024 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
I actually agreed with sand’s take on kelsier (sort of as a response to Scott here)
When I read mocstas vote on kelsier “you’re being intentionally obtuse”, I just thought well that’s a townie trait if ever I heard one So marvellosity agreed with me that Kelsi3r's logic didn't make sense, but then still includes Kelsi3r in the "town" category because Mocsta said he was being obtuse and that's a town trait? Reading through marvellosity's filter, I do still like that he acknowledged my point on Kelsi3r, and I like his line of questioning to Mocsta about his read change on me (Trfel). But he hasn't done really anything else of substance? It looks like his top suspects are scott31337 and Mocsta, and other than putting scott31337 at the bottom of his list post, he hasn't even mentioned him. Just feels uncharacteristically disjointed. I don't get the impression that he is looking for mafia, and I don't get the impression that he cares enough about his (few) thoughts to remember them later. I can talk about this. I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were. Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made. aawwwwww
Mate. I probably shouldn't have posted my first post
Game started at 10 for me and earliest chance I had to read was 4 sitting on plane
In short hectic mad day and I was so excited to make intro post for first time.in maybe 6years.. I see the length of the game and was like wtf I dont have time.to do this before take.off and lose reception.
Quickly skim and rsoultin and trfel.poats were the ones where my mind just disconnected from. Could not engage
So put it out there to just have out it out there
I wouldn't say the post content was forced because it's how I felt at that moment, although the sentiment that I needed to post something , yes was forced
It's also part of why I retracted once I landed and read thoroughly
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On June 08 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read dayam I chuckled.outnloud with this Town slight lean for me right there Is this bravado in mafia!oats range? Yes ohh 
Now I have to read your filter 😂
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On June 08 2024 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
Tomorrow I am going to re look at kelsier (through truffle’s eyes) because I think Trfel is town and I’m curious about the lack of traction he’s getting (I am well aware I am part of that lack of traction!)
It's possible the lack of attraction is association with me
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On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta?
Don't know
Regardless of alignment people read me. Pull wise I'm in bottom third of game so would be better for me to sheep I am thinking rather than throw a vote away.
If I had my way
I still find kelsi3r intentionally unhelpful beyond me and am good with that vote to proceed.
I dont have a strong/confident read so would prefer to get rid of the trash so to speak - which evenso could include me being in the bottom 1/3 from my point of view at least.
Sucks to say. I would just do that die meatballs huh or whoever has literally 1 post.. hate that shit once in mid or long game. Maybe as well clear out now
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On June 08 2024 10:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 10:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:02 rsoultin wrote:
okay, who i'm not lynching today:
scott, oats, truffle, mocsta, marv
my weakest townreads of those is scott but i get where he's coming from on too many things and i don't like too many people pushing him
everything else is negotiable. i think i'd prefer to lynch into sandy, kelsier and viva
rayn and az i'm not comfy with but don't want to lynch cause i don't trust i'm not just being overly paranoid with them
slam and dmb i don't particularly care about though i'm inclined to sheep marv's sheeping rayn on the slam read why don´t you care about me cause you haven't posted enough for me to get any sort of read on? i'll let you know if and when that changes why do you think you are paranoid about az? I have this problem with rayn that in every fucking game that we are playing I am reading him wrong. He is mafia I think he is town and the other way around. So it´s really very hard for me to make a opinion on him and i am Paranoid as hell as soon as I think i found his aligment. He is a strong town player but sadly also a strong mafia player. I am scared to make a read on him especially when it´s this early in the game lol same regarding rayn well az reminds me of another player whose scum game consists of buddying top townies (and by this i mean the 'good players' the community here generally listens to) and crawling so far up their asses he goes under the radar. idk that this is the same player but the interchange with marv is giving me those vibes. tbc marv is good, but i guess i mean the people who have the most pull if people are reading them town now i don't know that az's the same person or not so that's not reason enough to scumread him at all. but his view of the game also isn't aligning with mine on several fronts so those two things together earns him the rayn tier of i don't fucking know. i'm hoping if he's town that'll become clear in further discussion lol >< im ok with rayn at this point, mainly because the direction he is leading conversations seem to have aligned with my own points of curiosity.
on the other hand i have noticed he appears to be lurking a fair bit (i.e. post increase times with when upper tier players are around). that in itself is not scummy at this point in the game although should be monitored each day as it will increasingly become scummy if activity and direction of conversation diminishes.
az, i havent changed my mind on, just view it as desctructive to pursue this cycle.
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On June 08 2024 11:05 Trfel wrote:
I should add, it's different if you have something to discuss about AlphaZero. I'm happy to discuss them if you have legit reasons. I just don't think this is the right time for nebulous, ungrounded paranoia. And I don't have any legit reasons.
this is a nitpick, genuinely sorry.. what did you mean by "they" in your previous post
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