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I guess the dmb/sandroba lack of contact needs to be considered too which would make me wrong on the pair of rayn/koshi
An fuck this. Time.to step away
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On June 08 2024 05:32 sandroba wrote:
I might be biased, here but I like oats. I like his point here about vivax post's being substantially more conservative than what we've seen from him as town in his past couple games.
On June 08 2024 05:41 sandroba wrote:
Not calling oats town btw, after the last game I learned to reject all my oats inclinations. I said I like him and what he is saying.
This is good interaction for oats post flip
For vivax this reads more like distancing to me
Will archive as a point of note
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie I'm willing to have a think about koshi alignment if I'm around tomorrow
This doesn't look like distancing to me
And then add this
On June 10 2024 23:40 sandroba wrote:
Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post.
I hate to say it I'm really inclined to drop my hard scum read on koshi
Another string in the bow to vivax
On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
...
I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
....
Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the moment Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner ##vote:vivax Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake.
Damn I'm so bad at this !!
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On June 12 2024 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think dmb is town rn
Same
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Omg. Now I have to also consider why sandroba votes Rayn with me
So bad right now..
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Hmmm
Az hard town read on sandroba
Could sandroba/vivax/az make sense
I do blame az for setting d1 culture
Ok olive branch I'm willing to consider the game through this lens
Otherwise we had consensus and I can actually sheep next cycle too.
Food stuff guys thanks for carrying me!
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On June 12 2024 11:45 Trfel wrote:I think die_meatbaby is mafia though 
im gonna follow
just asking.. you would choose dmb > vivax?
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On June 12 2024 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Koshi is very likey town imo due to rsoultin's desire to lynch sandroba day 1. yeah good point
On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
iirc rayn did not appear to deviate from a sandroba lynch which is probably a strong town indicator too. will need to fact check that of course.. information-wise, if it was 1 of rayn/az.. az has been most detrimental.. reads are scott and sandroba.. i cant believe where this is taking me.. rayns been quite humble so far about all of this if it comes to fruition.. maybe we all mature
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On June 12 2024 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mafia pls kill trfel I don’t wanna die its ok. i can prot you this time
you earnt it
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AZ <--> Sandroba is pretty bad
there is a constant push-pull of: "yes sandroba is scummy, and shoudlnt be here after N1.. BUT.. i want to vote someone else"
its actually really really shocked me how long this has been running for.
in fact: AZ scum, DMB town
PULL Starts as a townish read
On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there.Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh.
PUSH 12hrs later flips read...
On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that.
PUSH - ~3days ago to Marv on N1.. Defends Sandroba
On June 09 2024 17:36 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:26 marvellosity wrote:
Not hugely confident on the oats read, but I think if this was his 95th mafia game in a row he’d be less…
Maybe just less. The reason I’m reconsidering oats is that it’s all surface level. Like he is probing and poking stuff. But really he ended up on the really shitty kelsier lynch and didn’t do anything with the poking and prodding. I started to get worried it’s performative. Because to me at least it lead to a very underwhelming. Maybe I’m being pocketed but I think Mocsta looked very town latter part of the phase. I think the people who didn’t really consider Scott and who just defaulted to kelsier are worth looking at. As is sandroba to be honest. I know that you probably don’t like to hear that as you have this kind of ‘good player’ mutual respect thing going on.
But he is someone who is a priority shot day one in previous games.
Something has changed here.
PUSH D2 Start.. locks into dmb, does not engage with other F Tier reads
On June 10 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Tier lists
S tier: Marv, trfel.
A tier: koshi Mocsta
B tier: oats
C tier: vivax, Rayn, slam
F tier: Scott, Sandro, dmb,
PULL 24hrs later... active defense of F-tier sandroba
On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba/DMB/+1
Can we all agree on this? Before we look for the third? IM not sure on Sandro.I think DMB is likely.
PULL 2hrs later.. more active defense of F-tier sandroba.. further, Rayn was listed as "C-tier" read, where is the effort to discern what this weak case means for Rayn?
On June 11 2024 18:40 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 18:03 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Hey raynpelikoneet, can we talk about this for a little? I don't want to upset you and once again I am sorry that I did so, but if you are town I would very much like to understand where you are coming from. Specifically the third paragraph, would you be able to explain where that is coming from? Here are the things sandroba said on rsoultin during D1: On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
Now after that Koshi enter the game in place of rsoultin, and sandroba's take on that D2 is: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. I understand if sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia. Why does he have to justify it with something rsoultin did? Similar to the Oats thing in his catch up, that's all out of place, this doesn't make any sense. If sandroba thinks Koshi is mafia, why write anything about rsoultin, if he thought rsoultin is null? It's like, "because i think this person does now look scummy, suddenly their other posts that are null became scummy as well". If you get what i mean? This case is really weak.
PUSH-PULL5min later... flips F-tier Sandro read
On June 11 2024 18:45 AlphaZero wrote:
Lif anything sandros post on koshi being 100% mafia like that is an argument for him being town.
I haven’t seen any good reasons that make Sandro mafia except he is worse than prior games.
Now this is true. But I also saw him almost get mislynched for similar reasoning previously.
I’d be more comfortable waiting it out another phase and flipping dmb.
But I realise I don’t have the influence or time to get it done.
PUSH 7in later - Sandroba is less town Rayn.. i.e. at best: null, at worst:scum
On June 11 2024 18:52 AlphaZero wrote:
Honestly I’m not convinced Sandro is more town than Rayn .wither of them could be mafia. At least Rayn is here trying to play.
Why are we defending Sandro when he isn’t even here to defend himself.
PULL1hr laterlets ignore all the sandroba push-pull and jump onto DMB, with no interaction or read progression
On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Anyway I think dmb is correct today.
So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb PUSH
PUSH-PULL
On June 11 2024 20:12 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 20:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Anyway I think dmb is correct today.
So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majority Nothing further from me.till deadline ]Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia.
Later Sandroba returns (i.e. isnt afk), AZ returns... yet no interaction, and vote together after all this.
AZ scum, DMB town
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I might have 16pages of shit, bad townie. ream me at the end.
regardless.. this is a damn good case
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Updated
On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
I spend the entire D2 saying i wont vote with Rayn my top scum read.. yet AZ votes with Sandroba to lynch DMB.. crazy
Rayn then PoE to certain town, theres just no benefit at all to bus Sandroba like this.
On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
Applying this to D1 lynch
On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One
Kelsi3r (7): Mocsta, scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Mocsta
sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
Mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): [green]scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
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On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Hi - your read on me
Is it purely contingent on a combination of sandroba and/or n1 jk?
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On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him I'm glad you mentioned vivax oddness with the couple stuff
First time.it plucked my heart strings.. now not at all
If I'm scum with sandroba.. how do you view the interactions with sandroba and vivax?
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On June 13 2024 09:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:16 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him I'm glad you mentioned vivax oddness with the couple stuff First time.it plucked my heart strings.. now not at all If I'm scum with sandroba.. how do you view the interactions with sandroba and vivax? strange. I really can´t explain, but he just playing like never before and was reading a lot of games from him. It feels like he don´t want to have interactions if anybody or at least just short ones also this post feeling kinda scummy for me Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 07:55 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 07:14 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 07:02 AlphaZero wrote:
Scott do you stil think im mafia? Yeah I do. Since I know you'll ask why - The main reason is you seem to be allergic to vote for other mafia. Lowkey townie. Takes balls as mafia to not bus here I think that he is praising himself here I like that praise line - good find. It's a lot more specific/intentioned as a post compared to the rest
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On June 13 2024 09:53 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:49 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 09:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:40 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him This is just too many scum reads with only two left. I appreciate you sharing though. Would you please broaden or be a bit more specific, especially if you are town? I know that I have to many scum reads but I can not change how my head is working. I am still to paranoid to trust more people here to be town. I feel like everbody is kinda scummy in this game. also I have to tell that I think it´s either az or mocstar and not both and oats and az also not togther. kinder stucking here in shit situation were I try to figure out witch team would make more sense. How is avoiding who and whats to insane for mafia to do. What about an AZ/Vivax team? that would be balls of zeus if thats fucking it Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 7 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
thats pretty close to where i have settled its basically (az + 1 of vivax/slam). more likely vivax
koshi shot tongiht most likely 
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On June 13 2024 09:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
But it would just be so smart. We are all looking at least for one mafia at sandroba voting. Because its safer for mafia to vote on there and then they voting on me or rayn. That would be to insane. But DP was so insane in his last mafia game that now everything is possible dp might make everything possible; but not everyone else is DP
i had to check out that game to see what the fuss was. obvioulsy didnt read it. but far out 80+ pages. thats jsut. wow.
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On June 13 2024 10:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 10:02 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 09:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
But it would just be so smart. We are all looking at least for one mafia at sandroba voting. Because its safer for mafia to vote on there and then they voting on me or rayn. That would be to insane. But DP was so insane in his last mafia game that now everything is possible dp might make everything possible; but not everyone else is DP i had to check out that game to see what the fuss was. obvioulsy didnt read it. but far out 80+ pages. thats jsut. wow. Mafia dp had extra shoot he claimed it as town and said seconds before the night kill that he shoots the afk mafia and shooted on his actual fucking mafia buddy and won the game because of this. cool move indeed
in this game. yeah its a possiblity reliant on
1. mafia having vig
2. mafia not shooting n1
3. mafia did shoot n1 and hit a vest role that isnt notified
maybe a few others that go even more esoteric
its not what you are saying is impossible, its that its improbable.
we will know more in 50min i guess whether theres 1 or 2 kills. im banking on 1.
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On June 13 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 10:13 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 10:07 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:02 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 09:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
But it would just be so smart. We are all looking at least for one mafia at sandroba voting. Because its safer for mafia to vote on there and then they voting on me or rayn. That would be to insane. But DP was so insane in his last mafia game that now everything is possible dp might make everything possible; but not everyone else is DP i had to check out that game to see what the fuss was. obvioulsy didnt read it. but far out 80+ pages. thats jsut. wow. Mafia dp had extra shoot he claimed it as town and said seconds before the night kill that he shoots the afk mafia and shooted on his actual fucking mafia buddy and won the game because of this. cool move indeed in this game. yeah its a possiblity reliant on 1. mafia having vig 2. mafia not shooting n1 3. mafia did shoot n1 and hit a vest role that isnt notified maybe a few others that go even more esoteric its not what you are saying is impossible, its that its improbable. we will know more in 50min i guess whether theres 1 or 2 kills. im banking on 1. Yeah that's super conspiracy theory world for this game. Save them for D4 and beyond. Who's AZ's mafia teammate? are you asking me?
umm. im gonna be a dick. i have posted barely anything this cycle and would prefer if you read what i produced than me give a blanket list
i think its on p171
the team im sitting on is clear
if thats too much. i literally posted my team combo i think on this page as well
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On June 13 2024 10:23 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 10:17 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 10:13 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 10:07 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:02 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 09:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
But it would just be so smart. We are all looking at least for one mafia at sandroba voting. Because its safer for mafia to vote on there and then they voting on me or rayn. That would be to insane. But DP was so insane in his last mafia game that now everything is possible dp might make everything possible; but not everyone else is DP i had to check out that game to see what the fuss was. obvioulsy didnt read it. but far out 80+ pages. thats jsut. wow. Mafia dp had extra shoot he claimed it as town and said seconds before the night kill that he shoots the afk mafia and shooted on his actual fucking mafia buddy and won the game because of this. cool move indeed in this game. yeah its a possiblity reliant on 1. mafia having vig 2. mafia not shooting n1 3. mafia did shoot n1 and hit a vest role that isnt notified maybe a few others that go even more esoteric its not what you are saying is impossible, its that its improbable. we will know more in 50min i guess whether theres 1 or 2 kills. im banking on 1. Yeah that's super conspiracy theory world for this game. Save them for D4 and beyond. Who's AZ's mafia teammate? are you asking me? umm. im gonna be a dick. i have posted barely anything this cycle and would prefer if you read what i produced than me give a blanket list i think its on p171 the team im sitting on is clear if thats too much. i literally posted my team combo i think on this page as well I've read your filter like twice this "night". I just did again - still not seeing it. I mean a half an hour ago you posted " thats pretty close to where i have settled its basically (az + 1 of vivax/slam). more likely vivax" So just verifying. Are you warming to rayn? yes, maybe you are tired?
On June 12 2024 12:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Koshi is very likey town imo due to rsoultin's desire to lynch sandroba day 1. yeah good point Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax iirc rayn did not appear to deviate from a sandroba lynch which is probably a strong town indicator too. will need to fact check that of course.. information-wise, if it was 1 of rayn/az.. az has been most detrimental.. reads are scott and sandroba.. i cant believe where this is taking me.. rayns been quite humble so far about all of this if it comes to fruition.. maybe we all mature
i also colour rayn green in this poe here
On June 12 2024 14:05 Mocsta wrote:Updated Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax I spend the entire D2 saying i wont vote with Rayn my top scum read.. yet AZ votes with Sandroba to lynch DMB.. crazy
Rayn then PoE to certain town, theres just no benefit at all to bus Sandroba like this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
Applying this to D1 lynch Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One
Kelsi3r (7): Mocsta, scott31337, Trfel, rsoultin, Oatsmaster, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, rsoultin
scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, Vivax, Vivax, Mocsta
sandroba (0): rsoultin
raynpelikoneet (0): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): Oatsmaster, AlphaZero
Mocsta (0): Vivax
Trfel (0): [green]scott31337
Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r
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On June 13 2024 10:41 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 10:37 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 10:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 10:35 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 10:33 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 10:32 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 10:31 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
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Many reasons that require reading.
If you don‘t want to read you can always be loud and opinionated but don‘t spam questions with answers itt so you don't want to talk to me and you don't want to explain to me why exactly you think i'm mafia. Very good. Your filter is full of disturbing posts about Austria and the people who live here, but I can't find what I actually want to know. at least tell me the reasons. I find the people here disturbing so my posts are disturbed. Like what do I need to talk with you about ? Do you need me to convince you that you are mafia ? She is probably not mafia though. Its scott and mocsta. Is this your plan or your teammates? It ain't gonna work. some classic scum bluster hey? You got me. I think i really do. I think I did day one, much to the relief of my ego. Are you going to respond to Mocsta's case? No, what do you think I should respond to? there is nothing to respond to. the only argument that I am mafia is that I didn't want to lynch sandro last phase. But I am not sure that makes me more likely to be mafia than town. Do you think someone who is capable of posting 20 pages in 2 phases as mafia doesn't know how to bus their inactive teammate? wow wow wow
i cant beleive there is a new reader of rayns volume I - Dodge and reframe
very impressive synthesis AZ, perhaps you are an uncredited contributor?!?!?
Firstly, the case is not about you ""didnt want to lycnh sandro".. its about HOW you didnt want to lynch sandro. Convenient you have dodged and reframed into a hypothetical for others to construct
i shall take you up on your offer to lynch first
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