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On June 09 2024 22:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:38 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:28 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:23 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:17 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:14 marvellosity wrote:
Stop with the compliments already x Dang, if not being an idiot is a compliment, you must not have as big of an ego as I thought  If anyone has a moment, curious if my perspective on scott31337 not re-evaluating his reads makes sense to anyone else? While it makes a lot of sense to me, if I'm wrong about this, it would be good to figure that out. I’m struggling to make much of it either way? Hm.... I was thinking people would either strongly agree or disagree, how can you be stuck in the middle? I don’t know how to answer this without being circular Could he still hold those reads as town? Yes I think so Could he be mafia sticking with the same reads? Yes why not Am I missing something fundamental? Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him. Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town." The problem is not that he is making bad arguments that has never been the problem. You guys are fucking reductionist paraphrasing to the point of losing the essence of the original issue. Then you come up with this nonsense about bad arguments can come from town. No shit. That is not why he is mafia. He is mafia because he doesn’t show evidence of Thinking and read progression that is essential to find and catch scum in a game of hidden information. I am going to trust Marv that you are town. But I also think you are being actively harmful to town progress at this point so can you please put as much effort into finding some mafia as you do defending mafia. To paraphrase something I said about my own read on Scott. Are your expectations of him wrong?
No because my expectations are something that must exist for town to be able to play this game. And he has continued to show that he does not possess those traits.
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On June 09 2024 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:41 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
Trfel
AZ
Vivax
Oats
Sand
Mocsta
Scott
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Slam
Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.
Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong? Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too Curious on your thoughts on Rayn, anything stick out specifically?
He is not playing the game. What you want me to say? He’s probably mafia because he asked for the mason chat at the start of the game and then went afk for most of the phase.
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On June 09 2024 22:43 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:38 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 22:28 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:23 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:21 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 22:17 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:14 marvellosity wrote:
Stop with the compliments already x Dang, if not being an idiot is a compliment, you must not have as big of an ego as I thought If anyone has a moment, curious if my perspective on scott31337 not re-evaluating his reads makes sense to anyone else? While it makes a lot of sense to me, if I'm wrong about this, it would be good to figure that out. I’m struggling to make much of it either way? Hm.... I was thinking people would either strongly agree or disagree, how can you be stuck in the middle? I don’t know how to answer this without being circular Could he still hold those reads as town? Yes I think so Could he be mafia sticking with the same reads? Yes why not Am I missing something fundamental? Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him. Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town." The problem is not that he is making bad arguments that has never been the problem. You guys are fucking reductionist paraphrasing to the point of losing the essence of the original issue. Then you come up with this nonsense about bad arguments can come from town. No shit. That is not why he is mafia. He is mafia because he doesn’t show evidence of Thinking and read progression that is essential to find and catch scum in a game of hidden information. I am going to trust Marv that you are town. But I also think you are being actively harmful to town progress at this point so can you please put as much effort into finding some mafia as you do defending mafia. To paraphrase something I said about my own read on Scott. Are your expectations of him wrong? No because my expectations are something that must exist for town to be able to play this game. And he has continued to show that he does not possess those traits.
Further the essence of this problem makes it so that the bullshit lynch bait arguments need not apply to the fucking position.
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On June 09 2024 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:30 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. Dmb wouldn't vote Scott It was literally in the post you last responded to me about  I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy I try and i will even try more as soon as the people here getting activ. How the fuck should i find out who the fuck is mafia if half of the people not playing where is slam, sandro, rayn,..... guys come on pls write something here. This is just mafia yes? She has an entire day she hasn’t read and she is coming in here complaining about 3 players outta the 11 remaining not posting, curiously the same complaint as az and marv
Yeah the level of outrage doesn’t really match her lack of investment to this point. Also there is plenty to comment on. Not buying what she is selling
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On June 10 2024 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i don't think AZ is actually that townie as he "looks", if that makes sense to anyone.
Is this based on you not reading the game? 😝
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What a juicy entrance by Rayn. What does it mean??
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I certainly didn’t expect rayn to come at marv with this much activity.
This game would be such an outlier from his previous mafia game.
It’s possible Marv is mafia and is faking a level of engagement and enjoyment not seen previously. It would be great to see him on that level again honestly.
But it’s not the first conclusion I would make on this game state without even reading the whole thread.
And the reasons for calling Marv mafia are just so underwhelming.
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Rayn why did you ask to be masonry day 1?
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Mason. But masonry works as well strangely enough.
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And the shit about why did you not get Scott lynched is so weird considering he ninja voted the other wagon. AND openly has not read that part of the game.
Just sloppy stuff alll around.
What does it mean??
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On June 10 2024 02:29 Koshi wrote:
Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger.
You dropping marv just like that?
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On June 10 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn why did you ask to be masonry day 1? Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me. If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you.
I do t think you are lying about your time constraints. I do think you couldn’t help yourself to play more so if you are town than as mafia.
I do think it’s odd that you asked to mason when you didn’t have time to do anything with it. Makes me think asking was performative.
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Rayn what do you mean I’m not as townie as I look? What is the foundation of that thought?
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Do you think Rayn is mafia Marv?
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On June 10 2024 02:44 marvellosity wrote:Don’t know yet, he’s failing to draw any conclusions as of yet
Well we can agree at least that he isn’t partnered with koshi right? Because this would be a massive coordination failure if they were partnered.
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On June 10 2024 02:46 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
Trfel
AZ
Vivax
Oats
Sand
Mocsta
Scott
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Slam
Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.
Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong? Sand is way too high AZ is WAY TOO high Koshi is way too low Otherwise it's reasonable lol
Hey Scott. Why am I mafia?
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On June 10 2024 02:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 02:44 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 02:43 AlphaZero wrote:
Do you think Rayn is mafia Marv? Don’t know yet, he’s failing to draw any conclusions as of yet Well we can agree at least that he isn’t partnered with koshi right? Because this would be a massive coordination failure if they were partnered. An afk player and a replacement fail to coordinate having not been around at the same time? Not agreeing to shit yet 
Come on now.
You know they would be talking in the mafia chat about pushes etc
There is no way they are partnered here.
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On June 10 2024 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:42 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn what do you mean I’m not as townie as I look? What is the foundation of that thought? You are clearly capable of making very well thought-out posts and being very reasonable. That makes you townread for most of the people. I am not sure if that's the whole story. I mean if i only read your posts yeah, you're the towniest person in the game hands down, because your posts are rational, well thought out, and they make sense. I don't always consider those townie traits, especially how the D1 ended. If i am fully clear, if you and marvellosity both are town and wanted to lynch scott, i fail to see how you failed in that. Take that as you want, but my opinion is that prolly at least one of you is mafia and you really didnt go "all in" with the lynch, as an active around townie should, if they felt strongly about it. Now marv has already countered my argument with "look at my filter" -> i did, it didnt look like he actually argued about scutt lynch -> then he said basically the same after.. So like my initial argument is wrong? When he debunked it himself???? I have yet to see what you did. Didn't get that far already.
Well I find that odd as well to be honest.
But basically there are the following reasons.
1.) trfel and rso both hard defended Scott all of day one and they both had some level of thread control together. More so than myself and Marv even.
2.) there were a lot of afk players.
3.) at least for me, this was supposed to be an account for low effort playing the game because I also have time constraints. Not lynching Scott has been so frustrating that it has single handily caused me to try much harder than I planned too.
If you haven’t read my posts from that time why can you draw the conclusion about the fact I didn’t lynch my prime suspect?
It’s completely backwards.
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On June 10 2024 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:56 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 02:42 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn what do you mean I’m not as townie as I look? What is the foundation of that thought? You are clearly capable of making very well thought-out posts and being very reasonable. That makes you townread for most of the people. I am not sure if that's the whole story. I mean if i only read your posts yeah, you're the towniest person in the game hands down, because your posts are rational, well thought out, and they make sense. I don't always consider those townie traits, especially how the D1 ended. If i am fully clear, if you and marvellosity both are town and wanted to lynch scott, i fail to see how you failed in that. Take that as you want, but my opinion is that prolly at least one of you is mafia and you really didnt go "all in" with the lynch, as an active around townie should, if they felt strongly about it. Now marv has already countered my argument with "look at my filter" -> i did, it didnt look like he actually argued about scutt lynch -> then he said basically the same after.. So like my initial argument is wrong? When he debunked it himself???? I have yet to see what you did. Didn't get that far already. Well I find that odd as well to be honest. But basically there are the following reasons. 1.) trfel and rso both hard defended Scott all of day one and they both had some level of thread control together. More so than myself and Marv even. 2.) there were a lot of afk players. 3.) at least for me, this was supposed to be an account for low effort playing the game because I also have time constraints. Not lynching Scott has been so frustrating that it has single handily caused me to try much harder than I planned too. If you haven’t read my posts from that time why can you draw the conclusion about the fact I didn’t lynch my prime suspect? It’s completely backwards. I guess it can be seen as backwards. I just do what i do and post what i post, if you have a problem with it call me mafia. That's what i get though from D1 outcome.
Have you read through that part of the game yet? Has that changed anything for you?
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On June 10 2024 03:00 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i don't think AZ is actually that townie as he "looks", if that makes sense to anyone. Damnit too much truth
How can this reasonate with you? You think I am obvious mafia apparently? How can you think I look townie.
Also just make a quick case on any reason that I am mafia please.
Cause from what I understand there are none except I changed my vivax read after 20 hours.
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