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On May 10 2024 05:54 scott31337 wrote: This post is scummy.I just read the Discord that we're starting earlier... ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/mEaBEjR.png) | ||
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On May 10 2024 08:28 Vivax wrote: So you didn't vote for scott31337 here but you do now?##Vote scott31337 On May 10 2024 08:05 scott31337 wrote: This is scott31337's only post after this point. So either you are finding this post suspicious, or your vote timing seems suspect.![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uW5b1TO.png) So, Green J man equals SpaceX. That's what I conclude. Coincidentally you vote right after I called out scott31337. Please explain yourself. | ||
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On May 10 2024 08:35 Vivax wrote: That's pretty good. I've been thinking about this for a long time trying to wrap my head around it. Big brain Vivax.![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/JnfsxEF.png) | ||
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On May 10 2024 08:46 scott31337 wrote: No, I actually liked your other posts. Just this one in particular is scummy.Are you really going to do this again on me? If I post, it's scummy. If I don't post, it's scummy. | ||
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 Assuming you are town, anyway. | ||
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On May 10 2024 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's an apologetic excuse as a response to Palmar's post. Palmar's post didn't warrant that kind of response, so scott31337's post is timid and defensive without reason.I dont understand how scott's post is scummy. Pls explain? I could understand it if scott313337's post is a joke, with a tone more similar to Palmar's post, but it's much more serious. | ||
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On May 10 2024 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ooh, exciting Hmm... I kind of think Trfel is mafia. Side note, I think I'm not as creative as I was hoping I was  I keep trying to think of pictures I could draw that are relevant and I'm really struggling. Will have to work on it. | ||
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I'll have to come up with a style that works for me. | ||
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On May 10 2024 10:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why should I care that you said you don't think scott31337 is mafia? You never said why, there is nothing to talk about.How do you come up with THIS when your top scumread scott is questioned? Heck, I never said he was mafia, just that I didn't like one post. | ||
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On May 10 2024 12:43 Grackaroni wrote: Hey Grackaroni, what's up? Hope it's alright to play instead of host this time ![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/Hz0RfbR/Top-Secret.png)  | ||
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As pretty as Jealous's pictures are, I admit I'm not always quite sure what he is getting at. | ||
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On May 10 2024 17:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, I am not sure what you are referring to here? I don't believe Grackaroni ever did this?I also eeny teeny tiny bit like grack for calling out trfel for backpedalling, even though i am not sure if that's the case to begin with in the first place with trfel. | ||
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On May 10 2024 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. I looked over the whole thread, and Grackaroni's filter, and Oatsmaster's filter, and I don't see any pictures of me?Fuck it was Oats... Am i still drunk? Yes There is the Grackaroni picture that was working for me earlier but is no longer loading for some reason, but even if I go directly to the (broken) URL I don't think that has anything to do with me. | ||
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On May 10 2024 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh I'm just blind. Wow.First post this page. I think Oats is calling you out on backpedalling on your read on scott. Scott31337's post in question is, in my opinion, the most suspicious post in the thread. However, his other posts have been at least fine, or even solid. Despite this, I think his suspicious post is worth discussing (regardless of scott31337's alignment), at least moreso than anything else that's been going on. | ||
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On May 10 2024 08:53 Trfel wrote: @OatsmasterIt's an apologetic excuse as a response to Palmar's post. Palmar's post didn't warrant that kind of response, so scott31337's post is timid and defensive without reason. I could understand it if scott313337's post is a joke, with a tone more similar to Palmar's post, but it's much more serious. | ||
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On May 10 2024 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not sure. I don't see anything suspicious besides that one post.So you DO think scott is scummy or not? Why do you think I should have a read on you? This surprises me, if anything I would have expected me to not have a read on you? | ||
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On May 10 2024 17:58 Trfel wrote: Edit for wording, I would have expected you to not expect me to have a read on you. If that makes senseNot sure. I don't see anything suspicious besides that one post. Why do you think I should have a read on you? This surprises me, if anything I would have expected me to not have a read on you? | ||
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On May 10 2024 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: That isn't what I said, I managed to read you once or twice but it's far from a guarantee and it's definitely not easy to do. I have one or two theories about how to read you but I'm not completely sure about them yet. Even if they are valid it's going to take time, you're really good at matching your town play as mafia and that makes it very difficult to tell.I rhink youre the one person who can properly read me, also backed up with your own wordsfrom last 2 games. | ||
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On May 10 2024 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be fair I haven't done much of anything I also think you havent done the Trfel thing and it saddens me because i sont want to tunnel you EVEN if youre mafia.. | ||
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On May 10 2024 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Huh, no wonder I didn't see this. My computer isn't showing the image, I only saw it when I went to bed and switched to my phone. Weird.First post this page. I think Oats is calling you out on backpedalling on your read on scott. Don't have a ton of thoughts to be honest. I don't have a very good understanding of Day 1 unfortunately. Not sure what to make of scott31337's omgus, my first thought was that it looks bad but my second thought is that maybe it's more likely to come from town? Maybe most inclined to lynch Grackaroni at this point, I think he's very capable of more. Also I have next to no idea what Oatsmaster thinks about anything, which normally would make me want to lynch him, but last game he was very clear about his thoughts on people and he was mafia. And I have vague memories of him always being on the sidelines and interjecting but not being helpful as town. So meh. Scott31337, Grackaroni, and Oatsmaster are probably the people I'm most interested in right now? I'm probably going to have a really hard time reading these people though. Bleh. | ||
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On May 11 2024 05:56 scott31337 wrote: Where did this come from?##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On May 11 2024 06:08 scott31337 wrote: I guess I'm just surprised since Oatsmaster wasn't included in your picture with reads earlier? Did Oatsmaster do something notable since then, or did something cause you to come to this realization? Or what? Just trying to understand.It came from my understanding of him basically shitting up the thread and providing no insight. | ||
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On May 11 2024 06:21 scott31337 wrote: Hm, looks like Oatsmaster had nine posts before your picture in question and eight after. Do you stand by your first sentence?Oats had posted very little when I did my "reads" post. Now I get this is a one line answer - but makes me think he's the opposite alignment of Chez. Makes me think he's the opposite alignment as myself (Town). Now, I have no idea about Chez yet from my point of view - But I personally do not think Chez resaved his paint files - especially before I questioned Chez - and then posted the screenshot. It's a lot of work to change the time of the PC and resave those just to respond to my intriguing. It's not a set in stone vote either. But my best choice at this time and we're through 1/2 a day already. The rest of Oats posts are useless as well. | ||
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I have no disagreement about the quality or substance of Oatsmaster's posting. I'm just questioning this part of your explanation, since it doesn't seem to add up. | ||
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Will you help me identify those in the house of red? | ||
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On May 11 2024 06:59 scott31337 wrote: I didn't mean to attack you, I'm just trying to understand your thought process better. If I can better understand how you think, it's easier for me to figure out your alignment is all. It's not meant to be aggressive or critical.Just giving from my point of view. I post too much I get shit - I don't post enough I get shit. Now I remember why I took a break from this game. | ||
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On May 11 2024 07:06 Trfel wrote: @Scott31337, if I may, how can I better understand your thought process/alignment without coming across as attacking? I don't want to make things no fun, but at the same time I do want to play the game, if that makes sense.I didn't mean to attack you, I'm just trying to understand your thought process better. If I can better understand how you think, it's easier for me to figure out your alignment is all. It's not meant to be aggressive or critical. | ||
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I'm still leaning towards scott31337, Grackaroni, and Oatsmaster (no particular order). But I"m not very happy with any of the options. I think scott31337 would be by far the most useful to keep around, in that I think more time would be very helpful in reading him better (for me, anyway), so I think it's time to vote for Grackaroni and see what happens. | ||
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On May 11 2024 13:07 Grackaroni wrote: Do you have any better suggestions then?Very unlikely to hit mafia. I'm actually extremely transparent, but people are unable to read me. I make the posts that I like as town knowing that it drastically increases my likelihood of being lynched while as mafia I have to answer to someone serious like Rayn/you, so then I don't make posts that will put me as the first lynch. | ||
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I'm not sure lynching raynpelikoneet is the move, I like the boldness though. I will have to think about that. I don't think a scott31337 lynch will happen, whether I want it to or not (and I still don't know if I want it to), but I will delay figuring out scott31337's alignment since it isn't as immediately helpful. | ||
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Really not a fan of Oatsmaster here, my only reservation is that I have a vague memory of him being snipey and sideliney as town. But it really really really feels like he is just posting for the sake of posting, usually his sideline comments are at least somewhat pointed or relevant, here it seems like half his posts are talking about Paint picture timestamps, where even if he is right in his arguments, it doesn't mean much at all. Even for someone who just criticizes from the sidelines, this is particularly useless, and it could just mean he is mafia. I don't know what to think of Jealous other than hoping he is town due to good MS Paint skills. Same with Chezinu, honestly. I'm extremely hesitant to lynch Jealous today, and pretty hesitant to lynch Chezinu too. A little disappointed by Palmar's day 1 so far due to his standard of quality day 1's, but it's a Paint game and iirc he said he would be busy so it's understandable. I was just hoping for a Palmar carry since I am so awful at day 1. I don't really have a reason to lynch him. Dunno about raynpelikoneet. He hasn't done enough yet for any of my theoretical metrics to be useful. I'm surprised at how different our game views are, but I don't know if that means anything. Not lynching Vivax today, I have a few reasons to think he is town and no reasons to think he isn't. As I said before, I kinda like Grackaroni's thinking, at least enough for now. So I guess Oatsmaster is what's left? | ||
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Don't really think this means anything for raynpelikoneet, I don't really have a reason to lynch him anyway. A little disappointing for Palmar though, since he could have done something before the weekend then, but it doesn't make him mafia so whatever. | ||
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In all honest, I have no idea what that means. It's probably just Chezinu due to process of elimination, but I'm not a big fan of that argument. Gotta think about it. | ||
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I could absolutely be wrong, and I'd feel really stupid for being wrong, but it seems like the most sensible reason for the course of events. | ||
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The interesting thing is that the rest of the votes on Oatsmaster come after Jealous left the thread (in other words, Jealous went AFK, and then everyone voted for Oatsmaster). Obviously it looks good for him to vote for Oatsmaster since Oatsmaster was mafia, but I don't think this guarantees that Jealous is town. He could have easily been planning on moving his vote later and then either been away and unable to do so, or, when the wagon on Oatsmaster built up, just left it since he has the first vote and it's a solid bus. Here's the thing though, the only real reason I have to think Jealous is mafia is because there was only one night kill, and Jealous claims to have shot Grackaroni. Pending the answer to raynpelikoneet's question, this just doesn't make a ton of sense to me if Jealous is town, because then I don't really know what mafia is doing. It's not out of the question that mafia is Chezinu or someone and he just failed to submit a night kill, he gets busy sometimes and has failed to submit night actions before. I just don't know if this is more likely than Jealous being mafia. I don't like not really having other reasons to be suspicious of Jealous. I'd feel really bad if we mislynched Jealous here just for that, since he literally did nothing wrong, he found valid reasons to vote for mafia and didn't do anything scummy or wrong. I really think it's almost certainly Jealous or a Chezinu who didn't submit a night kill. Side note, Chezinu's vote onto Oatsmaster was the fifth vote, after me, Palmar, Vivax, and of course Jealous. I think it's reasonable to predict that Oatsmaster is going to be lynched at this point, so I could easily see Chezinu bussing Oatsmaster here. Chezinu voted for Oatsmaster at about 11a PDT the day of the lynch, and his last post before then was at 9p PDT the day before. At this time, Jealous had already voted for Oatsmaster, but no one else had. When Chezinu voted for Oatsmaster, he quoted Jealous's vote post, and I think it can be safely assumed that he meant that this is the reason why. But if Chezinu is town here, why did he vote for Oatsmaster at 11a PDT the day of the lynch, but not 9p PDT the day before? Jealous had already posted his post in question, therefore the reason is already there. Nothing else changed... Except that three others of us decided to vote for Oatsmaster. It's very far from a clear-cut case, but with all that in mind I think it's more likely to be Chezinu. It's one thing (the lack of a second night kill) versus everything else, and even if that one thing seems pretty strong, everything else seems to point the other way. All pending an answer to raynpelikoneet's question, of course. One final thought, it's possible that the best strategy is to no lynch and trust that the five remaining townies can out-MS Paint the one remaining mafia player to get more information to settle things. While this doesn't seem like the worst idea ever, it's probably worse than just lynching (at least for now), and is definitely kinda boring. | ||
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On May 13 2024 05:56 scott31337 wrote: Eh, I mean to be fair mafia!Jealous could have gotten Framer, Vengeful mafia, or Roleblocker and just said he was town Vigilante. But yeah it seems a bit more likely to be Chezinu IMO.If the player that wins this powerup is Town, they random one of the following: Jailkeeper (You may roleblock and protect one person from KP. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Cop (You may choose a player to check their alignment. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Vigilante (You may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Vengeful Townie (Upon dying you have the opportunity to take revenge. You may designate one person to be shot. They will receive KP during the same phase in which you die.) If the player that wins this powerup is Mafia, they random one of the following: Frame (Once this game, you may target a player. The player will appear as the opposite alignment if checked by the cop. You may target yourself. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Mafia Vigilante (You may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Vengeful Mafia (Upon dying you have the opportunity to take revenge. You may designate one person to be shot. They will receive KP during the same phase in which you die.) Roleblocker (Next cycle, the townie's action will be roleblocked. They will not be notified of this.) To me it makes almost ZERO sense that Jealous got the Mafia Vig role and only made ONE shot and it was Grack. So he's almost confirmed town to me. What Jealous says above makes sense. I got through more than half of rayn's filter and he's not the lynch for me today. Jealous is off the table also. Palmar - he votes Oats at 9:29 EDT - and did not post it in his filter - only the voting thread. He was the second vote on Oats. Four minutes left - " I'll listen to reasoning, but... just doesn't make sense. Trfel was the first vote on Oats and he really seemed inquisitive on me - which is a good thing. That leaves Chezinu. He votes for Oats at 14:24 EDT. Only posts in the voting thread. His next message is a copy and paste of Jealous's case 14 minutes later. I may suspect Chezinu knows Oats is toast and tries to look his best. So I'm voting for him. ##Vote Chezinu | ||
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On May 13 2024 13:54 scott31337 wrote: I skimmed it but I guess I missed those parts. My bad.And that sounds just like the post after that. Did you read the whole thread yet? I don't think it's too unreasonable at all for mafia to fake claim something with the role, in fact they would have to? Like, what would you do if you are mafia and you win the powerup? Everyone knows you have it, so you HAVE to say you did something towny. | ||
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Palmar also didn't post the entirety of Night 1. I don't think of Palmar as a player to miss night actions, and it's possible that he just didn't want to post if it had to be a Paint picture, but it's interesting nevertheless. Very, very surprised that Palmar is voting for raynpelikoneet here. I don't think that it makes any sense for Palmar to do this if he is town, honestly I don't think it makes much sense for him to do it as mafia but I suppose that's up for debate. Like I think that indicates that it may very well be Palmar instead of Chezinu. I'm not in a huge rush to figure it out, also we have a few lynches at our disposal, I think the options of Palmar and Chezinu are reasonable though. Of course it would be nice to get it right, but honestly I'm not super stressed about it. Going to vote for Palmar and see where that takes us. | ||
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On May 14 2024 10:20 scott31337 wrote: Sorry I really don't feel like answering this, I think I laid it out pretty clearly since I was posting as I was thinking about it. If you have any more specific questions let me know, but it should be pretty self explanatory.Could you explain the reasoning for the case for Jealous, and now you are abandoning that idea instead? | ||
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If anyone wants to talk let me know, I don't have a ton of new thoughts though. Kinda at a loss. | ||
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