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Jealous
10170 Posts
On March 18 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote: 5) sandroba killed night 1 6) Trfel lynched day 1 9) Meapak_Ziphh 10) Palmar 15) Hapahauli executed day 1 EBWOP: People who have not even once voted for scum: 1) raynpelikoneet killed night 1 5) sandroba killed night 1 6) Trfel lynched day 1 10) Palmar 15) Hapahauli executed day 1 | ||
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Jealous
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12) die_meatbaby 15) Hapahauli executed day 1 18) ToTheStars killed night 2 | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 05:58 justanothertownie wrote: That list is impressively short. I am not sure these statistics are very helpful without context though. And did you draw any conclusions from the vote counts by now? Yea. Everyone is really bad at this game and some people switch their votes too many times for apparently no reason. | ||
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Jealous
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Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred. | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:11 Palmar wrote: If you die and flip town I promise to vote dmb  Nah, vote Vivax. | ||
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Jealous
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He will be town who has never once lynched a scum or parked his vote on scum over the course of five days. His only scum votes are: Day 1 on Oats and TTS (unvoted both, yet keeps reminding us that Rels doing the same thing makes him scum) ... and that's it. Not once did he vote for Oats or TTS after that, despite making 3 votes on Day 2 (VE, marv, and JAT). Not even after the red flip on Oats. Though I guess you are both in that boat, so I can understand your willingness to forgive such "leadership." Also, this is the guy who voted for five different people on Day 4. Notably Rels wasn't one of them btw. | ||
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Jealous
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2) Oatsmaster lynched day 2. x1 3) DarthPunk x1 6) Trfel lynched day 1. x3 7) marvellosity killed night 2. x1 8) Jealous x6 9) Meapak_Ziphh x3 10) Palmar x2 11) justanothertownie x5 13) CopCake lynched day 4. x3 18) ToTheStars killed night 2. x1 19) VisceraEyes lynched day 3. x5 Scum votes: 2 Town votes: 18 Unknown votes: 11 People Vivax has never voted for: 1) raynpelikoneet killed night 1 5) sandroba killed night 1 12) die_meatbaby 20) Rels 21) Alakaslam killed night 2 14) JacobStrangelove killed night 3 15) Hapahauli executed day 1 *Though technically he lynched this townie. 16) Iamperfection 17) Koshi killed night 4 | ||
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Jealous
10170 Posts
On March 18 2024 06:41 Palmar wrote: Btw, I kinda think what Jealous is doing is just busywork. I remember him doing weird analysis back on n2 that lead nowhere and I didn't mind that at the time. But really, just based on what's going on recently there are 2 really good points to call him mafia. 1) the cc thing where he gets mad over us townreading her for her shenanigans. 2) the fact that even if I used a phrase that he had used before, how is that scummy? We all get influenced by the stuff around us all the time, and it's not alignment indicative. Just to address #1 for the umpteenth time. There were two things one might consider "busywork" from Day 2: 1. Analyzing rayn vs. Palmar, because Vivax asked me to. It ended up being a nothingburger. 2. Creating Oats' reads list, because he never provided one and was going to get lynched. So, one of them is basically not my fault, the other I think is a pretty worthwhile venture. Day 2 we had a red flip and you're scumreading me for doing work instead of sitting back and voting for the red flip? The one you never voted for? | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 06:57 iamperfection wrote: I've said palmar almost has to be mafia. He didn't even consider you as a possibility despite you spinning on your read late game in what i think is a crucial point. and i know blah blah iamp you said something similar in the night with dp having to be town but there is a diffrence when you know your actually in the situation with it happening with you being alive. I dont see the panic i dont see the scum hunting. He also said town considering this SVS is hilarious is, which im sure hell argue against, is a scum slip. From my pov it is. I just dont want vivax to have a mental breakdown. Spoiler alert: he is already in the middle of one. | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 06:45 Palmar wrote: I was never going to case her, just gonna do the same as with everyone else. I just literally had to stand up and leave my computer right there. The entire case against her is really simple. If I make a list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game, she is right at the bottom of that list. The current list goes something like: DP Vivax Palmar Iamp Jat Jealous Rels MZ DMB Mafia really likes to hide in the lower tiers of these kind of lists. I'm not necessarily saying being high up means you've played well or anything like that. The main reason I'm so high up is that everyone and their mothers have been trying to murder me all game (thanks jealous for proving it). But I've at least been there to respond and continue developing my stuff. I think this is a valid way to reach a PoE, which is how I'm approaching the game. in a 6v3, if I can eliminte even just 2 townies I'm at 50% chance of voting mafia. If I eliminate 2 more I'm at like 75% chance of hitting mafia. That's how I'm approaching the game. I know I can be wrong on jealous, I can't prove he's mafia, he's played well if he is. He's actually played ok if he's town as well. I'll go read your case on me and do a defense thing Putting yourself so high because a lot of other people suspected you of being scum at some point is hilarious. How does that make you townie? Doesn't that just make you scummy? Let's talk facts. Only one of your votes has resulted in a lynch, and it was a mislynch on day 1. In terms of impact on the game, it would be hard to find anyone still alive who has stood out so little in terms of actual outcomes. In fact, never being on a wagon that results in a lynch is arguably pretty suspicious in and of itself. As far as DMB goes, I agree that their impact in the thread has been limited. Unfortunately, they are also basically CopCake 2.0. | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote: Should I post votecounts without comment? Maybe it‘ll get him lynched At this point I'm just making sure that when I flip town and if people look through my filter, they see how terrible you are playing and maybe stop listening to you. | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote: I have been fair towards Jealous. I asked him to look at Rels. I‘m tired of having to argue with people who aren‘t him and have him as scum why he should be lynched. And both of them called me crazy while agreeing with me. You didn't vote for Rels even once yesterday. You voted for five other people, and Rels was not on that list. Why do you want a Rels filter read so bad? You'll get it. Before that though, try to put yourself in my position. Namely, the position of being told to do something by the person who is trying to lynch you when you know you are town, which will result in yet another mislynch, and whenever you start doing the thing that person asked for, that person acts like an ass and misrepresents you habitually in the thread. Almost as if by occupying me with something else, this gives you more opportunity to poison the well. This is also a person who sent you on a wild goose chase in the past. I think you can understand why I'm not asking "how high?" when you say "jump." | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 07:14 Vivax wrote: That‘s nonsense look at the current votecount. You have one target: Palmar. You can have a second one: Rels. You don‘t try to convince me you just howl about me sucking I'm responding to Palmar and pointing out things that I don't like, I've analyzed his filter and made a post on that, and I'm voting to lynch him. And, trying to convince you from my position is a fool's errand, you've made that incredibly clear. So, I'm doing the next-best thing and discrediting you. | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote: I have been fair towards Jealous. Lmfao | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 07:20 DarthPunk wrote: Jealous can you do a list like palmar please . "A list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game" Top tier: DP, Vivax Mid tier: Iamp, Jat, Jealous, Mid-low: MZ Low tier: Palmar, Rels, DMB | ||
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Jealous
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On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote: My mind is here: Scum VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum. CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related -- [town]Town[/town] JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads. Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread. Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours). DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie. MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread. iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time. Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there. JSL is confirmed town. 13 players so I'm missing someone. Whelp I guess it's me lol I'm going through Rels filter and he isn't quite the clairvoyant that D1 made him out to be. To be quite honest, at this point (12 pages), I have to think Rels is more likely town than scum. Yes, he hasn't had much presence, but I also don't think a person welcomed in this community would be such a piece of shit that they would leverage their daughter's health to explain away inactivity. Not that that in itself is AI, but at least there is a reason I believe. With the activity question out of the way, I think I just didn't give Rels enough credit for their posting. They are clearly invested, their takes are generally sensible with a few exceptions. What I see is a consistent player who isn't shying away from making reads unprompted. I'm upgrading Rels to townread, but I will finish their filter first to see if there are any irregularities. | ||
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Jealous
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Sorry. | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote: Ah well. Palmar isn't mafia. DMB Jealous DP final answer. Both are independently defending me (in one way or another) for the past 24 hours so it's a really primitive take but understandable from your POV. From my POV tbh it makes me suspicious. Who would gain the most by appearing to defend a townie from ML - but the ML happens anyway because one of them votes for a nonstarter and the other promises to hop off in the case of shennanies - when we are one lynch away from lylo? Could be an easy way to gain town points going into the end game. | ||
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Jealous
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On March 18 2024 08:43 Vivax wrote: DP is that you writing this again. This isn't Jealous english Genuinely curious as to what you find characteristic of DP!English and Jealous!English. | ||
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