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On March 14 2024 12:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm ngl it's thrown me for a bit of a loop, I opened Rel's filter for a bit and then realized I didn't feel like doing that much reading tonight so I'm curious of your thoughts.
Don't know if it's because I had just read this comment but I had the exact same situation with DMB ...
Brain is too tired, don't want to read her filter again + a town game like I should
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I distincly remember her dumbtell D2 being the worst dumbtell of the game by far. If there is one fake dumbtell that's the one
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Going to sleep. I think Palmar will flip scum and I just got baited by the dumbtell post
Can't promise as it hasn't happened a single time this week, but if work is light, I'll try to be around during the morning or early afternoon EST. End of afternoon and beginning of evening are family time so will be off for sure, until probably 1 or 2 hours before the deadline
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VE flip was a needed flip in retrospect, becoming happy again that I pushed for it. Way too easy for scum to hide being VE being scum, and for town like me to base reads on him being unflipped conf scum
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Hey CC, I bought some macarons as a apology cake
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On March 14 2024 13:03 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:15 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 11:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 11:01 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:50 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 10:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
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yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful.
I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example:
DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason
I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane) This posts strikes me as really townie. Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective. How does that fit with this at deadline: On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat I don't really see what you are getting at here. "This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason" Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way? I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it. Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it Dude I literally used - Grammarly - to make a huge post about DP town scenario and you say what
I hadn't read that one when I posted this, I think that was the post that made me think that:
On March 13 2024 17:43 CopCake wrote:
Well if you lynch me and everybody sees I flip town I will engrave these words to my fellow townies:
DP is not Clear town.
The jacob kill also helps mafiaDP to be like “hohohohoho see Jacob gave me a gun I am so town”
I really, really tried to work with DP but he just doesnt want to do it, he pretends but he doesnt.
Why can I work with people like HF and Rayn when we are all town? Even when we have differences we try to listen to each other and figure out the game using the smartness and the logic of those two and my super ability of town reading ENFJ powers.
Like seriously, if you are town why dont you want to work with me?
If you are town you should see this world only: if mafia didnt block you when you killed TTS if for a reason.
Go ahead, lynch me once me.
But I decree when I flip that DP is NOT clearly town.
I must be clearly the mafia with the biggest fucking balls in the whole universe.
I tried to live in the world you were town, I even wanted to bond as bros and that is why I brought Bluey in the thread so we could talk about it because I fucking love that show and I read you like it, but yeah.
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Meh
Don't want to go to sleep now that CC is there
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Really have to sleep, can't wait for cake to be caught up  see you guys tomorrow
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Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched
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On March 14 2024 19:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak. Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me. The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that. The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me: Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead. The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach. It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels.
"It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game" => that's a lie. I thought you were town for like entire days before that post, and I'm pretty sure I still thought you were town when I posted this
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On March 15 2024 10:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Jealous or cop then ?
?? Jealous of course. Cop is town IMO. Unless something hapepned in the 2 pages I didn't read
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On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that.
Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them".
Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv
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On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on.
"better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point
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On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do.
That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out
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On March 15 2024 09:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). -- Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. I don't believe much of this post. Fully untunneled I proclaim that it's just not how a townie forms reads in my view. Like the DP and Vivax part at the end? What.Is.That???
[B]On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions???
100% agree
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On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset.
Really disagree that she "has to be dealt with". If you're think she's town but hard to deal with, just ignore her
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On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie.
On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do?
Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol
Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam
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On March 15 2024 10:30 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Ohh the village magician is here! Can you please shuffle the cards and show us what colour Queen CC is? (Before we lynch her)
I think she's town
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On March 15 2024 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point It’s a big point though
I just refuted it though
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On March 15 2024 10:35 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched FWIW I think the only reason I don't care, but am forcing myself to care because a ML is bad for town and therefore goes against my win condition, is because Vivax diarrhea posting a shitty case on me that seemed to never end. I don't recall ever being misrepped and interpreted in the most negative way possible so consistently by anyone else, save for a particularly vindictive ex-girlfriend. So at first I was frustrated by Vivax, then I got frustrated VT my getting frustrated by Vivax, and then I just achieved zen and stopped giving too many fucks. However, I don't get the argument of "Jealous is scum because he isn't fighting his lynch too hard," so I'd need that one explained to me. Both scum and town don't want to be lynched, so what does a lack of fucks really indicate?
You're right that a lack of care doesn't make you scum by itself. It also doesn't make you town though. What I'm saying there is that your behavior around the deadline is not making me doubt my read
I'm really, really sorry if you're town, I know it has immensely frustrating to be in that position
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