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On December 11 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:27 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:06 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.
I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. DarthPunk, care to explain this? What exactly do you want me to explain about it? You said that being aggressive early is good, right? I assume good meaning town-indicative, as opposed to mafia-indicative. So why then is someone being strongly committed a mafia trait? Does that mean that if someone is aggressive early but not committed then that indicates town? That doesn't make much sense to me, why would someone be aggressive without commitment, in fact how is that even possible? I forgot to respond to this. Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack. This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players. What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum* The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made. Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post. Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth. The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation.
Decent post for DP
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On December 11 2023 10:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.
We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play. I’m never wrong. Let’s do the vote thing.
Just to make this clear my decision to vote for Vivax is based on my own analysis and not because your ego convinced me to vote who ever you think is scum. And yes your filter looks good but you still not town for me and I will read and analysis every post you will make until you lose a bit of this self believing god player stuff here.
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Sorry everyone, I let my frustration get the better of me.
On December 11 2023 07:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you're calling Trfel mafia, not the other way around here?
It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it?
Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please.
Also look at what HF did:
- rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts
- palmar didnt post when hf voted Mr. truffles responded when I wrote a letter to the Mafias and then said what is wrong with being brown, meaning he doesn't want to go full green. So either blue or red, but I R red/blue blind. Mr. Truffle, will you play the brown? That's quite the honor, I can do my best, but I don't know if I am worthy.
Somewhere along the lines of sandroba or Vivax or maybe Koshi seems reasonable. I see what marvellosity is saying about Koshi though, it's really just a policy lynch, which isn't the worst, but is far from the best. Koshi isn't even playing that poorly, I know he's capable of much more and that's very disappointing to me, but he is at least sharing a small number of somewhat relevant thoughts (quality aside).
@Koshi:On December 10 2023 23:59 Koshi wrote:
Ready to be lynched. I am so happy. Why are you ready to be lynched/why do you want to be lynched?
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Day One Vote Count
Vivax (3): Palmar, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby
Sandroba (1): Vivax, marvellosity
Trfel (1): DarthPunk, DarthPunk, Alakaslam, DarthPunk
Koshi (1): Holyflare, DarthPunk
marvellosity (1): Koshi
Holyflare (1): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0): Holyflare, Vivax
Not Voting (4):Chezinu, Sandroba, Trfel, Vivax
With 3 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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Voting for Vivax, pending sandroba's catch-up.
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On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments?
I feel like this post sounds very unnatural, and also has some confusion about things that were already clarified in the thread at the point this post was made.
The 'Posting within what I expected' part was asked by Trfel and I did clarify what I meant.
'Self-demeaning tone about his performance' is something very obvious if you read the post if you read the post I was talking about which he mentions his chances of finding mafia.
The reasoning to me sound extremely contrieved, trying to blend in with thread sentiment while appearing to be putting in an effort.
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@marv needless aggression and undue assertiveness are more traits of people pretending to be town than actual townies.
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Trfel and DP are definitely talking past each other and I'm like 98% convinced it's 2 townies fighting.
Trfel made it sound like DP was leaning town on me because I was leaning mafia on marv, which was definitely not the case since he was commenting on my posts from before that.
DP was saying he wasn't saying he was leaning town on me while reading his posts points to the contrary.
Probably better to focus both their efforts on vivax, marv, hf (?)
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Ah, also palmar likely town now
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would we expect koshi that is ostensibly 'trying' to get lynched to actually start to contribute as soon as his back was to the wall?
Cause that is exactly what he did in his last scum game.
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I don't see anything wrong with Koshi, I like all of his reads
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On December 11 2023 13:35 sandroba wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with Koshi, I like all of his reads
Half of them were not sincere IMO
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Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax
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On December 11 2023 11:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:06 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.
I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. DarthPunk, care to explain this? What exactly do you want me to explain about it? You said that being aggressive early is good, right? I assume good meaning town-indicative, as opposed to mafia-indicative. So why then is someone being strongly committed a mafia trait? Does that mean that if someone is aggressive early but not committed then that indicates town? That doesn't make much sense to me, why would someone be aggressive without commitment, in fact how is that even possible? I forgot to respond to this. Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack. This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players. What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum* The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made. Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post. Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth. The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation. Decent post for DP
Agreed good post, but I think this applies much more to marv's posts about me. What do you think DP?
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On December 11 2023 14:11 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 11:22 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:06 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.
I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. DarthPunk, care to explain this? What exactly do you want me to explain about it? You said that being aggressive early is good, right? I assume good meaning town-indicative, as opposed to mafia-indicative. So why then is someone being strongly committed a mafia trait? Does that mean that if someone is aggressive early but not committed then that indicates town? That doesn't make much sense to me, why would someone be aggressive without commitment, in fact how is that even possible? I forgot to respond to this. Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack. This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players. What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum* The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made. Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post. Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth. The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation. Decent post for DP Agreed good post, but I think this applies much more to marv's posts about me. What do you think DP?
I just read his filter and don’t think much of it tbh.
I Think Palmar is right he either catches mafia or hangs.
Can you explain why you think trfel is town? Because to me I can kind of see it. But also I don’t think it stands up to any kind of scrutiny
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His thought process, although I'm not in agreeance with it, kinda feels natural to me. He is pretty much going against the people who have found him suspicious, or who are going against what he believes is the narrative that makes sense. He moves on eventually to other people, it does look like he is trying to figure out the game. His post here on Vivax is pretty spot on and also my issue with Vivax:
On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:47 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:24 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:16 DarthPunk wrote:It just seems to me that you came roaring out of the gate with a huge case, based on some nitpicking really early in the thread, and you end up going nowhere on anything which is the essence of what the case you wrote on Sandro in the first place. Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further. But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for? And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally. it's all quite jarring to me. I assume you are talking to me, I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are actually getting at here though. Yes, I think sandroba is suspicious. No, I wouldn't wager high stakes on it. He's one of the people I'm most interested in (along with Alakaslam and perhaps yourself and an off-chance of Vivax, but I'm not certain yet. I posted the way I did to try and figure out sandroba's alignment (and eventually everyone else's). Just because I'm not very confident yet doesn't mean that I can't figure things out and investigate and that sort of thing. I didn't bring any aggression, that's just me trying to ask questions and figure things out. If there is anything you'd like me to clear up please don't hesitate to ask, I'm just having a bit of trouble understanding this post though, it feels a bit nebulous to me. Wanna tell me about this, Trfel? Part of it is Vivax's first post ( here), which we discussed briefly. I didn't like how weak his questioning to sandroba feels, Vivax recognized the issues with sandroba's post but didn't seem to want to challenge sandroba over it or actually do anything with this knowledge. The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. This isn't necessarily mafia indicative, it just feels weird and I'm not sure what to make of it yet. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 02:48 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 15:12 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 11:36 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 10:55 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 09:57 iamperfection wrote:On December 10 2023 06:11 Chezinu wrote:
Let me know if yall want me to role-play a character. your not role playing a character when you normally play ? A specific character Chezinu Izunizehc! Hey Guys! I'm Chezinu! Hi Chezinu, I'm Trfel! Hope you have been well these past few years. Hello Mr. Truffles!! I haven't eaten a truffle in a few years. However, I have embarked on a journey to the Citdal to understand the underworlings of the sentinels. I'm in deep. Deep within beyond the convulsional layers form by the kernels. I will try and send you photos of my findings. I eagerly await your report.
Correctly points out that Vivax is not following the thread, missing some key points and explanations and just assembling together some quotes to justify a vote.
He then fails to see how this is mafia indicative, but just the fact that he called this out gives him lots of townie points.
It is indeed mafia behavior because of how Vivax is trying to blend in with thread sentiment, appearing to be putting in effort, but struggling to justify something he knows is not true.
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On December 11 2023 14:53 sandroba wrote:His thought process, although I'm not in agreeance with it, kinda feels natural to me. He is pretty much going against the people who have found him suspicious, or who are going against what he believes is the narrative that makes sense. He moves on eventually to other people, it does look like he is trying to figure out the game. His post here on Vivax is pretty spot on and also my issue with Vivax: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 22:47 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 21:24 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:16 DarthPunk wrote:It just seems to me that you came roaring out of the gate with a huge case, based on some nitpicking really early in the thread, and you end up going nowhere on anything which is the essence of what the case you wrote on Sandro in the first place. Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further. But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for? And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally. it's all quite jarring to me. I assume you are talking to me, I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are actually getting at here though. Yes, I think sandroba is suspicious. No, I wouldn't wager high stakes on it. He's one of the people I'm most interested in (along with Alakaslam and perhaps yourself and an off-chance of Vivax, but I'm not certain yet. I posted the way I did to try and figure out sandroba's alignment (and eventually everyone else's). Just because I'm not very confident yet doesn't mean that I can't figure things out and investigate and that sort of thing. I didn't bring any aggression, that's just me trying to ask questions and figure things out. If there is anything you'd like me to clear up please don't hesitate to ask, I'm just having a bit of trouble understanding this post though, it feels a bit nebulous to me. Wanna tell me about this, Trfel? Part of it is Vivax's first post ( here), which we discussed briefly. I didn't like how weak his questioning to sandroba feels, Vivax recognized the issues with sandroba's post but didn't seem to want to challenge sandroba over it or actually do anything with this knowledge. The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. This isn't necessarily mafia indicative, it just feels weird and I'm not sure what to make of it yet. On December 11 2023 02:48 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 15:12 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 11:36 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 10:55 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 09:57 iamperfection wrote:On December 10 2023 06:11 Chezinu wrote:
Let me know if yall want me to role-play a character. your not role playing a character when you normally play ? A specific character Chezinu Izunizehc! Hey Guys! I'm Chezinu! Hi Chezinu, I'm Trfel! Hope you have been well these past few years. Hello Mr. Truffles!! I haven't eaten a truffle in a few years. However, I have embarked on a journey to the Citdal to understand the underworlings of the sentinels. I'm in deep. Deep within beyond the convulsional layers form by the kernels. I will try and send you photos of my findings. I eagerly await your report. Correctly points out that Vivax is not following the thread, missing some key points and explanations and just assembling together some quotes to justify a vote. He then fails to see how this is mafia indicative, but just the fact that he called this out gives him lots of townie points. It is indeed mafia behavior because of how Vivax is trying to blend in with thread sentiment, appearing to be putting in effort, but struggling to justify something he knows is not true.
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Do you think he is correct that vibe didn’t really try to do anything after he questions your first post?
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