Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 166

On December 21 2023 01:36 sandroba wrote:
I did address it in a single phrase. There is no team possible that doesn't involve dmb so you can argue your Trfel case after we lynch mafia dmb

On December 21 2023 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus?

I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points:
Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar

Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out

Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy

On December 21 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why is Trfel and Palmar impossible for you?
Or any team that includes Slam?

On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote:

What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ?

On December 21 2023 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course anything can be done as town or as mafia.It's just about the fact what people would do as town or as mafia. Why are any of of those scumtells on DMB?

Like, i think mafia is either Trfel and you, or Trfel and Palmar. I don't really think Palmar is mafia, but i can be wrong here. I made a case against Trfel, you seem to be very hesitant to disagree with the actual contents of the case, while disagreeing.

I have commented on the case on DMB, that leaves me looking like whatever you think it does. I don't give a shit about that, it's MYLO, we lose if we lynch wrong. Why don't you want to comment on the case on Trfel?

On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote:

What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ?

On December 21 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote:

It's not me and I'm willing to lose to Palmar. If turns out it's Palmar I can always just yell at marv.

On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Trfel is just mafia here.

- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me.

- Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game.

- I still don't know understand this:

Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia.

- If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3?

- Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!.

##vote Trfel

On December 21 2023 02:07 sandroba wrote:
I'll say the same to you. As town you don't know who scum is so in your mind you have to accept that if you are totally wrong, you will just lose.
If you follow your plan we will lose to scum dmb, and you seem to be okay with that.

All the people I'm saying I'm okay losing to I think are town and if I'm just wrong about that, they did a great job and props to them for winning the game

On December 21 2023 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah except i am not saying that, i am trying to lynch who i think is mafia, you're trying to lynch who you don't want to lose to.

On December 20 2023 23:49 sandroba wrote:
I spent like 2 hours reading Trfel's filter yesterday, reading every spoiler and went into the scum game of Trfel marv linked, I'm fairly confident he is town. Your case shows you haven't done the same as me, you are misrpresenting some aspects, other arguments you make don't even show any mafia motivation.
What I see from Trfel is that he actually made a lot of very well thought out posts and did try to make arguments to lynch his scum reads (Chezinu, later DMB), but they were mostly ignored and fell in deaf ears since town was busy fighting each other. I recommend everyone to actually take the time and read his whole filter including spoilers, especially after day 2.

Another thing that happened is that after he masoned me we briefly discussed the game before I had to go to bed. We said we would talk again the following day and have another back and forth.
In between the time over the spam of 1.5 hours Trfel was posting his thoughts in the chat going over dmb filter while I was sleeping. To me that is extremely unreasonable that a mafia would ever be doing that with absolutely no expectation that they needed to do that.
Why would a mafia be putting in work reading filters and posting about it in chat, while there was absolutely no expectation in my part of him doing so? I don't think it's reasonable to assume any mafia would think I would town read for that.

It has crossed my mind that it could be palmar + trfel initially, but if that is the case they played an absolutely stellar scum game and I would be happy to lose to them.
If it's you, you played a very strong scum game, at some times I read you townie, but at some times you did things wihch I believe had motivated reasoning. DMB rellied on the newbie card, which I guess is fair but I would be extremelly mad losing to.
Slam played super well, rather lose to him than to you, but I'm open to reassessing that after dmb flips mafia.

On December 21 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:

Not true, you are just grasping at straws

On December 21 2023 02:18 sandroba wrote:
I'm done arguing with you. You are mafia plain as day to me, there isn't any point continuing