On June 08 2023 23:07 marvellosity wrote: I really have to say before the game starts - I have friends coming to visit Friday-Sunday, pls no lynch for quiet marv.
On June 09 2023 14:20 Alakaslam wrote: Dude I take a shower and that is all you ppl said by then?
Anyway DMB says senseless shit D1 if last game from mafia perspective is anything to go by, but is crackin' the town wisdom whip by D2 so do not dismiss
Chezinu so different, Chezinu so hidden... I get NK fast, you know who it is
On June 09 2023 11:03 LightningStrike wrote: Finally I am town for the first time in 3 years! Time to kick some ass and chew bubble gum!
Is this even LS ? I‘m stuck to playing on phone since my pc is failing to boot but I tried checking if it‘s a recycled post and cba to do it on mobile, maybe someone could help ?
I don‘t remember LS being first to post like... Ever
If you read the scum qt from last game he got some tips on not being too scared to post. Cause big bad dp will scum read you for it.
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)
This.
Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation.
Sure, but they do it because it is an objectively 'pro-town' behaviour and are trying to seem town.
So DMB is right that this is a "normal" way to get a game going, create content and conversations.
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)
This.
Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation.
Yeah later in the game and I would get a little supect, but beeing Mafia and ask dirctly on the start in the first 15 posts. It´s to risky. Now way that is Mafia play right now. Als rayn just defend himself from Dp and trying to not get out of the game as early as in the last game
The problem is I know this, and so could do this as mafia as well.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
This is a bad read. Not saying Slam is mafia but Slam would probably post exactly what he did as mafia if LS is town.
The read is based on his reactions with scepticism rather than dismissal as a bad read.
The first indicates a mindset of suspicion, natural for town and notably absent from his last game
The second which I noticed a lot reading his filter postgame was a lot of town reads and dismissing scum reads of others without promoting suspicions of his own.
Not a lot, but enough to make him look good to me.
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
1.) I did it to you because you did it to me
2.) I explained what the point was.
3.) see 2.
I did it because i expected something from you. Did you expect something from me? It hasn't been clear to me yet if you did or not. This:
On June 09 2023 14:29 DarthPunk wrote: The point is that you generate information, and make people take positions to get the game going :D
..is bullcrap mostly, because if there is nothing to have an opinion on, then there is no point in forging an opinion on something.
If you think i should have had an opinion on something at that time, feel free to call me scum for it. If not, then you were just making a pointless question you even pressed onwards without any basis in the first place.
It's obvious why I was doing that, you are good enough to see that, so regardless if you think its good or not, the fact that you seemed to not understand why (when you definately should like DMB did) makes you look bad IMO.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote: How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master
There is a thing people call “meta” that is a pattern how a participant plays when he/she is mafia or town.
I think from experience, for example, that slam tends to be more town when he is easy going. But ofc you should not consider this as a “complete” read because actions speak louder and those reads can change.
He was easy going Last game and you read him town in obs for it and he flipped maf so….
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
On June 09 2023 17:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Rayn gets little emotional here (maybe more than he should) and defense himself, where is nothing to defense, because it was just a question.
you got it wrong i was not defending i was attacking.
On June 09 2023 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm just here to find mafia, i couldn't care less if someone calls me scum for not having a read when the game is like 10 posts lol. If i get lynched for it in the future still don't care.
Relax. I was just poking you for saying you were attacking instead of defending because it looked defensive, I’m not trying to lynch you right now.
On June 09 2023 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm just here to find mafia, i couldn't care less if someone calls me scum for not having a read when the game is like 10 posts lol. If i get lynched for it in the future still don't care.
Relax. I was just poking you for saying you were attacking instead of defending because it looked defensive, I’m not trying to lynch you right now.
On June 09 2023 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm just here to find mafia, i couldn't care less if someone calls me scum for not having a read when the game is like 10 posts lol. If i get lynched for it in the future still don't care.
Relax. I was just poking you for saying you were attacking instead of defending because it looked defensive, I’m not trying to lynch you right now.
Also that’s not what I thought was scummy…
Okay, which was?
The fact that you didn’t understand why I would make that post. I’ve said this twice already at least. But I like the cake push so I’m more neutral right now.
On June 09 2023 19:28 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Stated play etc. The thing you stated about testing DP on his read on Marv. It feels overly specific for the context. You're basing your interpretation of DP's line of questioning on the stuff going through your mind last game.
But DP didn't know what you were thinking, DP was probably assuming that if you can do it to him, then he can do it to you, and if you don't let him do it to you then this sort of conversation happens and people have real content maybe.
This and i know that if I poke Rayn shits going to happen.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
So my only assumption is that either:
1.) you have not read or understood the thread
or
2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith
And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.
Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she wont explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.
Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she wont explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Those two factors are enough at this juncture.
##Vote: Copcake
This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?
Yeah, pretty much, its either ignorance or willful ignorance
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Copcake is altering the narrative the slam question was asked and answered when I stated she was operating in bad faith.
It was about why I asked Rayn which was stated in the thread in the beginning the slam shit was never involved in this discussion. She just found the one question I didn’t answer immediately and used it out of context
On June 09 2023 21:53 LightningStrike wrote: Not saying that TTT is telling truth per say in that post Rayn but it just his attitude how he plays the game is very much how he played last game so at least it's a start!
What are you referring to here LS?
The Copcake stuff. I did reread it though maybe something there? Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think though reading his filter.
He's asking a question, how can that be true or false?
On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?
I was referring to this part of the post. He did ask a question there similar style how he was last game hence my comment about my read on him.
Yeah and DP comes out way worse looking than Cake from that.
RE; Cake, okay, i don't doubtyou would lie about that. Doesn't make you town but definitely doesn't make you mafia (rayn read).
No that is blatant misquoting just read my filter.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Copcake is altering the narrative the slam question was asked and answered when I stated she was operating in bad faith.
It was about why I asked Rayn which was stated in the thread in the beginning the slam shit was never involved in this discussion. She just found the one question I didn’t answer immediately and used it out of context
Literally, question was asked in #179 I think and you answered in #187...
Read the bolder which I was responding to.
It’s in the post you are quoting.
That’s what I was saying was already answered in the thread.
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote: Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
DP lets get this straight; Which are the questions she asked that were already answered in the thread, that make you think she is mafia?
Can you read the bolder in the post I just quoted.
I’m phone posting in bed buts it’s fucking right there.
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote: all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
still looking for the questions. deliver or vote
I’ll post when I am up it’s past midnight and I suck at phone posting apparently
Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.
Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.
Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Those two factors are enough at this juncture.
##Vote: Copcake
This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight.
Dude, do you even know how much I post per game?
This is nothing lol
On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote: Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D
These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.
It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.
On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?
I fucking like this guy!
Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest.
This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?
I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?
On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote: FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.
Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
So my only assumption is that either:
1.) you have not read or understood the thread
or
2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith
And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy.
No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here.
I invite EVERYONE to read my filter.
Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."
Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard
On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.
Then
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already.
That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-
More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.
This post by Vivax is WILD!
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it.
This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.
And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.
Yeah shit post Vivax TBH.
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea?
He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment.
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote: Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?
I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.
I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.
Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated.
Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.
Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.
Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.
But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.
Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.
Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?
I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.
Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.
Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.
I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.
You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.
On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote: Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam?
Statistics, and difference of opener.
Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie
You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call?
Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game?
His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted.
Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta.
Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?
Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Bad.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)
But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.
On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote: Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax?
Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully).
Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all.
The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.
On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through.
On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?
Bad.
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose?
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose?
1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia.
Where the fuck did this come from?
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote: I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim. And y‘all thought you were good.
Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
From both of them? No.
It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why.
.................... the what?
At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt.
I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!"
##unvote Chezinu ##vote LightningStrike
sorry vivax i think this is it.
Nevermind.
On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted..
Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.
On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote: I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense MZ writes bad as last game LS seems suspect for me Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him. TTT Strong Townread Marv is okey for now Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe. And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.
On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.
I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.
Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.
This is just so not true.
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe. Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.
I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.
The thing with copcake is that her level of aggression and tunneling towards me only makes sense if there is a really strong town read on Rayn as a basis for it.
And that just doesn't make any sense at all at the point of the game she ostensibly had it. Even if there was a small town read on rayn, her read progression and level of aggression still doesn't make sense, nor feel natural.
I can't get over this point, and I wonder how others can?
On June 10 2023 17:20 DarthPunk wrote: The thing with copcake is that her level of aggression and tunneling towards me only makes sense if there is a really strong town read on Rayn as a basis for it.
And that just doesn't make any sense at all at the point of the game she ostensibly had it. Even if there was a small town read on rayn, her read progression and level of aggression still doesn't make sense, nor feel natural.
I can't get over this point, and I wonder how others can?
And then it was really hard to get her to answer: what alignment she thought rayn was, and why she thought rayn was town.
On June 10 2023 17:22 marvellosity wrote: Just worth noting LS’ filter is already as long as the previous game. Reading rayn’s suspicions towards him. Don’t fancy that at all
Easiest way to adjust is to sheep other players, have to look deeper than this IMO, especially when your scum play gets rolled the last time.
But yes, this is the only point in his favor right now.
On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote: It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.
Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.
But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.
The other difference was last game his activity increased dramatically with the levels of suspicion levelled against him, which came later. This game it started right away so he feels in the hot seat and can’t coast.
On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote: It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.
Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.
But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.
What you think of that vivax post? Just completely not reading the thread?
On June 10 2023 17:42 marvellosity wrote: I’m most suspicious of MZ and Hapa, which given one of Hapa’s only posts was to highlight suspicion on MZ, feels a bit weird. rayn, I don’t characterise MZ as having similar reads to you as a good reason to like him. I’m very wary of feeling too strong about it given last time though.
Hapa tonally looked okay but I expected a bit more drive from him.
Copcake I thought fought her corner pretty consistently even though I wasn’t entirely sure what was going on. It’s not the same but reminded me how DMB was just always there d1 even when under heavy suspicion, last game.
Bunch of other mild (and even a strong or two) townreads but not worth talking about these now, especially as I’m unlikely to be able to respond as I’d like
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.
His reading comprehension is very poor, but that's the case for everyone thus far I think (you and myself included DP). I find it odd how he went straight to the lynch off something he hadn't even read properly. Like... I respect going after bigger players, but he just attacked the two strongest players D1 and that's just never going to happen.
Last game, I started my campaign on D2 on Marv, got substantial traction D3, and managed to finally mislynch him D4 with DP's help. This is sort of the "best case" scenario for lynching a stronger player. Having that strong a conviction D1, doesn't feel right, but I don't know Vivax. To me it feels like a parking play where he doesn't really have to engage at all after making the "case".
If the bolded is true what do you think that means about his alignment?
On June 10 2023 18:29 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is bullshit, specially the “copcake doesnt read rayn as mafia therefore she is mafia muhahahahaaha”
Honestly, I have answered this, I said that after what happened last game, which my 6th sense told me “rayn is mafia” I decided not to make the same mistake IN GAME.
What is the best thing a town cake needs to do? Correct her mistakes and play better.
My focus on DP went how fast he jumped on me with the “ooofff” comment.
1.) No it's not. The reason I think you are mafia, is because your push against me relied on a town read on rayn to make any sense, and reading rayn town so strongly at that time didn't make sense.
2.) You were focused on me before I made that "oof" post, in fact that post was in reaction to you pushing me. Why are you retconning this narrative?
Why do you always try to make things other than they are?
On June 10 2023 20:24 Hapahauli wrote: I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.
Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS.
On June 10 2023 20:24 Hapahauli wrote: I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.
Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS.
Do you think he read his role pm? Cause I don’t.
I think he didn't read his role PM at the beginning, but he probably did so later.
I looked through chez's meta a bunch back in 2020 when I played a game (and LYLO) situation with him, and my key takeaway was that he was actually a very good teammate. It is very uncharacteristic for him to try to troll his team and screw them over, which hypothetically not reading his role PM for a day could do if he is mafia.
Oh ok, he said last game that he typically doesn’t read it til day 2 and so I kind of take that on face value with chez. (Don’t think he lies about that stuff)
I agree with the good teammate stuff and think he is still readable despite what others think.
On June 10 2023 20:54 Hapahauli wrote: I still think the worst thing in the thread is MZ's posting. I've mentioned his entrance post, but his post on LS also gives me the shakes.
I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon.
We just tried to mislynch him last game so I think people are a bit cautious.
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote: CC is Town for me at the moment: CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for me There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. Vivax I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZ It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LS
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.
On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote: Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying
Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.
No offense, but I'd really appreciate a bit more than "nothing in particular" and "you just feel different to last game" witha sample size of two as a reason to vote for me, particularly as it makes no sense that I was hard bussing LS and he was bussing me day one.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight.
Dude, do you even know how much I post per game?
This is nothing lol
On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote: Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D
These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.
It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.
On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?
I fucking like this guy!
Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest.
This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?
I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?
On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote: FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.
Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
So my only assumption is that either:
1.) you have not read or understood the thread
or
2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith
And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy.
No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here.
I invite EVERYONE to read my filter.
Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."
Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard
On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.
Then
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already.
That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-
More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.
This post by Vivax is WILD!
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it.
This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.
And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote: Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?
I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.
I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.
Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated.
Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.
Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.
Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.
But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.
Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.
Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?
I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.
Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.
Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.
I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.
You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.
On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote: Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam?
Statistics, and difference of opener.
Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie
You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call?
Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game?
His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted.
Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta.
Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?
Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Bad.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)
But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.
On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote: Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax?
Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully).
Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all.
The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.
On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through.
On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?
Bad.
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose?
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose?
1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia.
Where the fuck did this come from?
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote: I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim. And y‘all thought you were good.
Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
From both of them? No.
It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why.
.................... the what?
At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt.
I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!"
##unvote Chezinu ##vote LightningStrike
sorry vivax i think this is it.
Nevermind.
On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted..
Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.
On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote: I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense MZ writes bad as last game LS seems suspect for me Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him. TTT Strong Townread Marv is okey for now Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe. And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.
On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.
I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.
Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.
This is just so not true.
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe. Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.
I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.
Then how should I read this ? Didn't her lunch make you go Oooff when rayn pointed it out? Do you skip lunches, Darth Punk ? Do you discriminate against Mexican cuisine is that what you want to say?
If you are town I better see you gulp down two sushi burritos in a row or else.
The oof was the fact that she was asking for information which was answered in the post quoted.
Which meant a lot more to me in that moment than subsequently because I was not considering the slam thing.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
Could be scum indicative. Feels like lynching into certain players feels like a dick move with the rl circumstances surrounding some. I'd even treat me to a slice of MB today as she seems to avoid antagonizing me like last game which is red flaggish as I don't mind a bit of playful nuisance. At great personal danger to myself of course but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
Marv literally asked about meta or something similar in his entrance post from last game, he was town, and I am pretty sure the fact he is doing it again is a big FU to ppl who hated him for it last game also.
On June 10 2023 02:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was really not expecting to wake up to ~20 pages, what is this 2013?
I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read.
I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal.
After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him
TTT probably my strongest town read
DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress.
Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight.
MZ, what does it mean for your reads if LS also thinks that I came off looking scummy in interactions with Copcake?
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
Oooff
this is good actually.
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote: I'm mad I didn't spot that.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.
And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
So I read MZ's filter, there is nothing there that suggests he is maf to me, In fact, I am somewhat more convinced that LS is maf based on reading his posts.
So I would like answers from people who are scum reading MZ, why, specifically is that the case?
I am internally flip flopping on LS. His posting this game does look bad and scummy, but it also is certifiably improved from the previous game.
So I guess with LS I am trying to decide if he is improving their scum play.
Or
They are town and just look bad because of the way they play the game.
i'm not very confident either way right now, so I guess I would like some clarity from people who have played with LS.
On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote: I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else.
I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH.
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
Oooff
this is good actually.
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote: I'm mad I didn't spot that.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.
And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.
On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.
This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.
That is a very valid point.
Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.
So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
On June 10 2023 23:15 TankTopTiger wrote: LS The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty.
The reason I was asking that question was primarily to see if anyone else thought the same way I did and try to engage with others about what I thought but no one else really said anything outside of Rayn, and CopCake. Vivax didn't ask about it but granted he did say that entire thing between them rubbed the wrong way which doesn't = forced at least from my understanding.
On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
Oooff
this is good actually.
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote: I'm mad I didn't spot that.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote: [quote]
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.
And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.
On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.
This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.
That is a very valid point.
Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.
So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
For clarity: the valid part is the part where Copcake should not have a strong Rayn town read at the point she does. (although doesn't state that until she is pushed repaeatedly.) Not the rayn mafia tinfoil part.
On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote: I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else.
I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH.
I’m considerably more suspicious of marv not spotting this, as he played in both games.
He literally mentioned last game as a reason why he was being cautious around scum reading MZ though.
On June 10 2023 23:15 TankTopTiger wrote: LS The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty.
The reason I was asking that question was primarily to see if anyone else thought the same way I did and try to engage with others about what I thought but no one else really said anything outside of Rayn, and CopCake. Vivax didn't ask about it but granted he did say that entire thing between them rubbed the wrong way which doesn't = forced at least from my understanding.
LS why am I mafia?
Pretty much you also happened to confirm this but I felt your entire thing with CopCake was forced and it looked really bad the fact that I was able to prove some of the stuff towards CopCake really paints you more mafia than town to be honest.
Did you read my posts clarifying? Has this changed anything for you?
On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote: I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else.
I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH.
I’m considerably more suspicious of marv not spotting this, as he played in both games.
He literally mentioned last game as a reason why he was being cautious around scum reading MZ though.
On June 10 2023 17:42 marvellosity wrote: I’m most suspicious of MZ and Hapa, which given one of Hapa’s only posts was to highlight suspicion on MZ, feels a bit weird. rayn, I don’t characterise MZ as having similar reads to you as a good reason to like him. I’m very wary of feeling too strong about it given last time though.
Hapa tonally looked okay but I expected a bit more drive from him.
Copcake I thought fought her corner pretty consistently even though I wasn’t entirely sure what was going on. It’s not the same but reminded me how DMB was just always there d1 even when under heavy suspicion, last game.
Bunch of other mild (and even a strong or two) townreads but not worth talking about these now, especially as I’m unlikely to be able to respond as I’d like
On June 10 2023 23:36 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hm I’m not reading carefully enough. Gonna re-read and recalibrate.
The story of this game honestly. It seems like the only one actually reading properly is dmb and then she scum reads me for literally no reason. So sad.
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk nothing really looks suspicious so far.
You have to answer though. That's kind of the point.
What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?
You know you did this to me last game right :D
On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk nothing really looks suspicious so far.
You have to answer though. That's kind of the point.
What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?
You know you did this to me last game right :D
yeah, so?
So you know what the point is.
I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you?
If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game?
This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.
Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote: [quote]
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.
Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Those two factors are enough at this juncture.
##Vote: Copcake
This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
Oooff
this is good actually.
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote: I'm mad I didn't spot that.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.
And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.
On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.
This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.
That is a very valid point.
Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.
So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game. Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.
Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!
On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote: If this was your clarification Post Darth:
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote: [quote]
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk nothing really looks suspicious so far.
You have to answer though. That's kind of the point.
What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?
You know you did this to me last game right :D
On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?
You know you did this to me last game right :D
yeah, so?
So you know what the point is.
I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you?
If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game?
This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.
Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote: [quote]
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.
Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Those two factors are enough at this juncture.
##Vote: Copcake
This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
How can you disagree with facts ls?
And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote: I'm mad I didn't spot that.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote: [quote] Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.
And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.
On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.
This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.
That is a very valid point.
Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.
So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game. Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.
Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!
Not everything that hobbles is a comparison. Proverb
That’s fine, but you made the comparison so presumably you are assigning some meaning to the comparison.
But the comparison and the meaning you are trying to assign don’t align so now you are posting this bs
On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote: If this was your clarification Post Darth:
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote: [quote]
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk nothing really looks suspicious so far.
You have to answer though. That's kind of the point.
What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?
You know you did this to me last game right :D
On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] yeah, so?
So you know what the point is.
I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you?
If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game?
This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote: [quote] Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.
Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread.
Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense.
The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists.
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
Those two factors are enough at this juncture.
##Vote: Copcake
This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
How can you disagree with facts ls?
And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight.
Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight?
On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote: If this was your clarification Post Darth:
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote: [quote]
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't?
You know you did this to me last game right :D
On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you?
If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game?
This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not.
Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote: [quote]
This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith.
In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
How can you disagree with facts ls?
And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight.
Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight?
I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight.
On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote: If this was your clarification Post Darth:
On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
[quote]
[quote]
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
[quote]
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
[quote]
[quote]
This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
[quote]
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
[quote]
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
How can you disagree with facts ls?
And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight.
Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight?
I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight.
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is
In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.
And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.
On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.
This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.
That is a very valid point.
Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.
So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game. Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.
Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!
Not everything that hobbles is a comparison. Proverb
That’s fine, but you made the comparison so presumably you are assigning some meaning to the comparison.
But the comparison and the meaning you are trying to assign don’t align so now you are posting this bs
It‘s about the technique. It‘s not very gentlemanly, and easy to replicate as both alignments.
Do I read a subtle hint of frustration here because I‘m not using it to generate a townread of you ? In which case I assure you I will evaluate your alignment fairly when I have a better grasp on the game.
You do detect frustration. I am frustrated. but mainly because people keep not reading the thread properly are posting nonsense like the above and are locked into inexplicable scum reads on me for reasons they can’t explain and I can’t discern.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
How can you disagree with facts ls?
And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight.
Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight?
I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight.
Which post? Quote it.
On June 09 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
Why is slam town?
Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one.
I'm not trying to avoid this btw,> its only fair that this conversation is two ways though right?
This sounded very antagonistic from you that seemed to had caused the fight.
Ok LS I can see there is no reasoning with you and you are locked into this scum read. How confident are you out of a scale of 1-100 that I am mafia?
70
Ok. well this has been very helpful LS. For if you are town this game then you have revealed how bad you truly are and I can compensate accordingly in the future.
On June 11 2023 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really really don't like either of the choices for lynch right now. I am completely aware i can be wrong on LS, i just find it extremely mafiaish to group two people where "one is mafia but i can't tell which" and then do nothing for the rest of the day. Because if the two people are town, LS has just set him up for D1 AND D2 pass with a very shitty reasoning (as pretty much noone seems to think he is mafia). Also in case i am right and both DP and Cake are town he is just basically +1 mafia if he is town, since he is only accusing townies and refuses to do anything else.
I don’t have a slam dunk town read on him, if I didn’t just see his mafia play in the previous game I would be 100% on board to lynch him.
Do you not think he is just really bad? I’m not sure cause I haven’t really played with him that much, but this game his engagement is significantly higher even if he is scummy as fuck, makes me lean towards the bad basket.
That and I put significant pressure on him earlier and he didn’t fold. I think that’s a point in his favour.
I don’t agree with most of the reasons for ppl town reading him, and I could see a world in which he just levels up his scum game after the poor showing last time around. (By basically playing the same scummy way but increasing activity)
Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general.
On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
On June 11 2023 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk about TTT, probably would not want to lynch him here, i think he had VERY townie looking early game, at least for me it looks like that. I'd have to read his filter again.
Agree, I don’t think he is the lynch for today. He will be too easy to read later. And he has a set standard for contribution that will be difficult to maintain if mafia.
On June 11 2023 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Other than DP and Cake, my townreads are basically Slam, Hapa, and Vivax.
Others i can't either tell about but don't wanna lynch either (marv, possibly Vayoletta), or there are thing i definitely do not like about.
Vivax was blue last game and this game he is definitely not blue, and doesn't really look scummy at all, yet Chezinu placed his vote on Vivax when that was already clear. There's simply no reason to believe Chezinu would have "blue/red sickness", the vote was just incredibly out of place.
I have no clue what to think about MZ, i kind of agree with Hapa on the things on MZ, but i am HORRIBLE at figuring out MZ apparently.
DMB seems more self-aware than last game. Probably some of it comes with learning, sure, but like from a person whos cases were "these two people are 100000% mafia because they posted at the same time" and after that "these two people orchestrated the lynch D1" (when me and VE were pushing COMPLETELY different things all D1), i find it very hard to imagine town!DMB would actually be able to keep her head this straight in this game. Unless ofc, she is mafia and needs to actually just consider what to post to not get lynched aka what looks good, not what she actually thinks and how she's running the things in her head.
Dmb still has some of the crazy. She has a weird associative case with me and ls. Which I both hate (cause bad) and like because it reassures me that some of the natural paranoia is leaking through.
I think dmb is town she is playing very closely to her style at the latter part of last game.
Although her vote on me sucks. I also identified last game that she tends to scum read and vote for aggressors and town read defenders.
What I mean by this is that she thinks cop is a victim and is scumreading me for attacking her. She was definitely doing that kind of thing over and over last game.
On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now.
Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place.
On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now.
Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place.
Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted.
Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list?
I mean not really. Ls I dont actually think is mafia. I just think his posting, sheeping and “one of cop and dp” are scum look bad. But I literally just posted my thoughts on him.
Copcake: had strong reads from nowhere that she didn’t want to talk about and when she finally did the reasons really didn’t correlate to the Strength of the read.
And I don’t think emotion and crazy posting like hers can’t be faked (I know because I can fake it myself)
But I think Rayn is town and I am trying to find a way to understand his town read on her so I’m not sure she is the lynch either.
I want to know what vayoletta actually thinks rather than the vague airy posting she has done. Cause she is alluding to an opinion on cake without actually sharing anything.
On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment.
I think he is pretty clear in this post:
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion.
Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times.
Hence the "opportunistic" point.
I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment.
I think he is pretty clear in this post:
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion.
Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times.
Hence the "opportunistic" point.
I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
What is your history with TTT? Played on other sites, or is this just based on the TL games? Happy to take a look.
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On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment.
I think he is pretty clear in this post:
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion.
Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times.
Hence the "opportunistic" point.
I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
Last game he was obvious town from the start, the obs just didn't read the game at all D2.
Yeah he got pressured in the thread straight up though.
And he had 2 days of content to parse and got to read all of day one in one go.
Yea it’s different and my town read on him is not as strong as last game.
But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much.
On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
On June 11 2023 06:44 DarthPunk wrote: Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general.
I don't see any problems with her train of thought especially in the argument with you. Sure probably not all the things are right but i believe she genuinely believes in what she says. Your case is mostly about her having a strong town read on me. I don't necessarily think it's impossible for her to have a town read on me, and the town read doesn't even need to be strong to question you on the things she did (which started from like the same thing i started questioning you).
Hell i would have done the same i did if you asked your question towards anyone but me, even if i didn't have a town read on them.
On June 11 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't wanna lynch DarthPunk today. Whatever reservations I had between him and Copcake do not warrant a D1 lynch and to be honest I can't even remember precisely what I didn't like beyond tone. His contributions today have far outstripped the stuff from 24 hours ago.
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)
This.
Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation.
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote: Re: CopCake
Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.
Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?
Like you think this might be going somewhere, but where is it going? It's alluding to having reads but not actually having a read.
On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it.
To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well.
Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context).
Literally all of your points against me Hapa are that you don't like the tone of my posts. Go read Marv's "analysis" of me last game and then reference my VT flip. I'm not gonna waste thread space arguing with people about my "tone" or whatever you want to call it two games in a row.
I'm also going to put it out there that MZ was incorrectly tunnelled last game. Got hit with a storm, get's vigged. Joins this game and then is basically tunneled again for similar reasons.
Makes sense to be snarky, if we are town reading for emotional congruence.
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?
Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now)
This.
Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation.
Cakeroni, who’s pretending to scumhunt here?
On June 11 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote: Re: CopCake
Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.
Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?
Like you think this might be going somewhere, but where is it going? It's alluding to having reads but not actually having a read.
Is this like an edgy meta from another site?
Anyway don't like this.
Everybody be pointing them fingers. Watch out you got three coming your way.
I always have them pointed my way. This game is not about survival Chez. do you know what that means?
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no?
I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted.
On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight.
Dude, do you even know how much I post per game?
This is nothing lol
On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote: Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D
These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.
It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.
On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote: Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake Re: a lie This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?
I fucking like this guy!
Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest.
This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?
I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?
On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote: FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.
Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand?
You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?
Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.
So my only assumption is that either:
1.) you have not read or understood the thread
or
2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith
And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy.
No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here.
I invite EVERYONE to read my filter.
Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."
Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard
On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.
Then
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote: #186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187.
I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already.
That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-
More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.
This post by Vivax is WILD!
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it.
This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote: Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.
And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote: Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?
I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.
I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.
Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated.
Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.
Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.
Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.
But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.
Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.
Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?
I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.
Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.
Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.
I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.
You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.
On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote: Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam?
Statistics, and difference of opener.
Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie
You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call?
Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game?
His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted.
Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta.
Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?
Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Bad.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)
But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.
On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote: Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax?
Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully).
Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all.
The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.
On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through.
On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?
Bad.
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose?
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you have to choose?
1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia.
Where the fuck did this come from?
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote: I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim. And y‘all thought you were good.
Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
From both of them? No.
It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why.
.................... the what?
At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt.
I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!"
##unvote Chezinu ##vote LightningStrike
sorry vivax i think this is it.
Nevermind.
On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted..
Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.
On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote: I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense MZ writes bad as last game LS seems suspect for me Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him. TTT Strong Townread Marv is okey for now Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe. And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.
On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.
I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.
Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.
This is just so not true.
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe. Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.
I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.
Then how should I read this ? Didn't her lunch make you go Oooff when rayn pointed it out? Do you skip lunches, Darth Punk ? Do you discriminate against Mexican cuisine is that what you want to say?
If you are town I better see you gulp down two sushi burritos in a row or else.
The oof was the fact that she was asking for information which was answered in the post quoted.
Which meant a lot more to me in that moment than subsequently because I was not considering the slam thing.
So why are you saying I am mafia? Because I should be paranoid of rayn? I should call him mafia all the time? Because in ONE single obs discord chat you came to that conslusion and make it an absolute truth?
When rayn quoted that and you “ooooffffed” me it felt very opportunistic, very very and even worse after i explained that you didnt answer the slam thing. It felt like if you were a wolf from those old vintage disney cartoons wolves that got happy because he saw fresh meat.
If you are town can I ask that you please move on? or at least consider something else. Because shitting up the thread rehashing that shit is not helpful at this point, and not having any other reads from you aside from a bad tunnel on me just makes me more likely to want to continue voting for you, even after rayn and hapa are very nicely causing me to reconsider.
On June 11 2023 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i understand correcty Hapa is saying that MZ basically took every post in LS filter and tried to make it look like everything LS has done is just straight out scummy, when that's never ever tha case no matter which player in question.
To be fair, if it was possible to do this with anyone in good faith, it would be possible with LS. When I read his filter, most of that shit looks scummy.
On June 10 2023 23:36 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hm I’m not reading carefully enough. Gonna re-read and recalibrate.
The story of this game honestly. It seems like the only one actually reading properly is dmb and then she scum reads me for literally no reason. So sad.
I hate this kind of posts, so rayn doesnt read good, neither TTT
On June 11 2023 07:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To expand on the DP stuff, I'm really not impressed with anyone on that wagon right now. I'm going to start rereading filters with copcake to try and unwind the shit from yesterday.
I am also not impressed with them, for obvious reasons. Everyone on that wagon is mafia or terrible. :D
Now I know how marv felt last game, inevitably heading towards a mislynch day one for the first time, despite actually trying and not knowing for what reason people think I am mafia.
Quite invigorating.
I'll write up a before flip post just in case, I guess.
The problem is that while I think there is probably mafia on my wagon, I do think DMB is town in this spot. now obviously I will vote for her being lynched over me, but I don't think this is it.
On June 11 2023 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just genuinely don't think someone can change the way they think completely in such timespan. It's like LS being no matter how wrong in reading people just by meta he still does it every time. (no offense to LS i am not saying youre terrible or anything, just to make an example that if person's mind works in one way it's REALLY hard to change that way of thinking as town)
I agree generally with this, and it is still wild to me how different the posting is across both games. I don't think i've ever seen anything like it.
I also agree with this, and I would prefer to lynch LS over DMB.
On June 11 2023 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just genuinely don't think someone can change the way they think completely in such timespan. It's like LS being no matter how wrong in reading people just by meta he still does it every time. (no offense to LS i am not saying youre terrible or anything, just to make an example that if person's mind works in one way it's REALLY hard to change that way of thinking as town)
I agree generally with this, and it is still wild to me how different the posting is across both games. I don't think i've ever seen anything like it.
I also agree with this, and I would prefer to lynch LS over DMB.
On June 11 2023 09:31 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay all caught up.
What do I make of it all?
Re: DMB Rayn you say people can't change but you believe CC when she says that she's changed out of the blue. DP you believe at least somewhat (as do I) that LS has undertaken a large change in his playstyle. Out of the three people, I think DMB is the most expected to change because she's still in the stage where she's figuring out the game.
That said, this change is kind of weird. She's certainly exercising vastly more awareness and restraint. Last game, she was gung ho on Vivax, she had direction, and then after Vivax flipped she seemed like she lacked direction. This game, she still seems like she lacks direction (her suspicion of DP feels arbitrary to me, but apparently I'm against the grain on that), but she has poise and is putting more effort into evaluating the game. This could be indicative of an alignment shift from last game (people's engagement is different for different alignments), or it could be that she was super motivated after feeling powerless last game.
I wouldn't be upset with her lynch but she's not my preference.
If you haven’t looked at her filters side by side and are basing this off just the impressions she left I recommend doing so.
It makes a dramatic difference, last game she was a lot more pro town especially at the end. Clearly scum hunting, town reading people.
If this game is improvement she has improved backwards.
Im not as confident as Rayn et all. seems to be though.
And I would love some other reads from copcake.
She was spewing reads In The obs thread last game this game is a tunnel on me and then a bit of an adjacent tunnel on you.
On June 11 2023 10:13 DarthPunk wrote: I would rather not lynch DMB at this point.
Really? With that goodbye post I actually was pretty much ready to vote her myself. Finally filtered her and wasn't impressed. I also feel like she fought more when she was under the gun as town last game.
Why are you having doubts?
Why would she post that as mafia? Schedule stuff can explain a lot and the self vote while complaining about time stress and people being dumb smacks of town to me.
On June 11 2023 10:38 LightningStrike wrote: Just got home from playing Pokemon GO and out with family and I see DMB is the lynch O.O I didn't see anything scummy from her when I had remembered reading her filter earlier. Also the way that wagon formed fast is very bad indications honestly. Also MZ Vayoletta most likely will be replaced or Modkilled regardless of his alignment so policy lynching him isn't exactly a great idea.
On June 11 2023 10:38 LightningStrike wrote: Just got home from playing Pokemon GO and out with family and I see DMB is the lynch O.O I didn't see anything scummy from her when I had remembered reading her filter earlier. Also the way that wagon formed fast is very bad indications honestly. Also MZ Vayoletta most likely will be replaced or Modkilled regardless of his alignment so policy lynching him isn't exactly a great idea.
And he appears!
Like magic!
Holy fuck it's unreal, just like last game lmao
Yeah, I could actually lynch him at this point, im sorry hapa. ##unvote
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
I don't believe you could have that strong a town read on LS at this point. DMB reactions in this thread would be god-tier from a first time scum player in their second game.
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
Double lynch is always pro-town.
Im not sure that's true in this instance, if both players are town def not.
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
Double lynch is always pro-town.
Im not sure that's true in this instance, if both players are town def not.
It is better to eat the bullet on a double lynch than wasting two days and giving mafia 2 NKs.
On June 11 2023 10:54 die_meatbaby wrote: I said vote me! I don't play any game half. I play or not play and if my body is telling go fucking sleep I drunk 15 double espresso and 3 RedBulls. One Vodka shoot because I wanted to kill two asshole guests on my bar, than I don't can play. I didn't read the last fucking pages this is not playing just vote me out. I would get killed from the mafia in N1 because they see my hidden messages for town. But Town sees just bullshit here anyways. Lynch me and I hope you all know how you are playing so fucking bad as Town
On June 11 2023 10:56 TankTopTiger wrote: DP you have been more aggressive this game but you are a sentimental old man when it comes to lynch at times. DMB is absolutely manipulating rn (ANI). They saw what worked and so kept doing it.
On June 11 2023 15:09 TankTopTiger wrote: DP why is a lurker lynch even viable assuming no modkill?
Killing a lurking town isn't helping us.
Every cycle, scum get an NK. Every cycle, town get a lynch. Lynch is far worse than NK, and it's only through informed lynching can town close the inherent disadvantage. Informed lynching comes from information, and the best information which helps interpret all other information is... through lynching.
If we lynch a lurker, we basically start again D1 minus (probably) two town. This is disadvantage over time and not something we should ever want.
yeah, that is the argument. but at some point, you don't lynch someone you have strong belief is town just for GTO math.
On June 11 2023 15:09 TankTopTiger wrote: DP why is a lurker lynch even viable assuming no modkill?
Killing a lurking town isn't helping us.
Every cycle, scum get an NK. Every cycle, town get a lynch. Lynch is far worse than NK, and it's only through informed lynching can town close the inherent disadvantage. Informed lynching comes from information, and the best information which helps interpret all other information is... through lynching.
If we lynch a lurker, we basically start again D1 minus (probably) two town. This is disadvantage over time and not something we should ever want.
Why is the lurker town though?
This doesn't even make sense if there is no modkill. at the end of the lynch it was pretty obvious that DMB was gonna flip town, so if Violetta is not going to be modkilled then its better to lose the dead weight and a more likely mafia flip.
Why is she even likely to be town in this spot?
Presumably you have town reads, the more town reads you have the more likely mafia is in the pool of people that aren't being read as town, so the more likely someone in that pool flips maf
On June 11 2023 15:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I misspoke, => probably town based on math.
Even if they're red, they don't give us anything. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'm pretty sure back in the day one of the stats I read was that counterintuitively, if mafia get lynched D1, this favours red. The informational advantage outweighs the material advantage.
There was a case, you had noticed real shit. She was blue which makes her act different. She could have claimed and we would have moved on but she didn't.
On June 11 2023 15:49 TankTopTiger wrote: I misspoke, => probably town based on math.
Even if they're red, they don't give us anything. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'm pretty sure back in the day one of the stats I read was that counterintuitively, if mafia get lynched D1, this favours red. The informational advantage outweighs the material advantage.
There was a case, you had noticed real shit. She was blue which makes her act different. She could have claimed and we would have moved on but she didn't.
On June 11 2023 18:26 CopCake wrote: DP, why did you ask if MZ “drunk post” was real but when he was here you didn’t even care?
Why did you believe Baby was being honest instantly but MZ could be faking?
I didn't ask if it was real, I asked if Hapa thought he was lying, this was important because Hapa was basing at least some part of his MZ read on MZ being snarky. Which was partially explainable by the drinking and personal issues.
I really wish you read and understood what was going on before leaping to assumptions.
Do you have any thoughts on any other players aside from me?
On June 11 2023 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP can you look at TTT's filter for me and tell me what you think? He seems to be saying Cake is mafia for having such a strong town read on me every time she talks about Cake, but every time he talks with me the conversation ends in "okay if you know each other i see your point and that's not why i think Cake is mafia". It's really absurd.
Cake comeon, do you really still think DP is mafia??? If you can't process what happened especially towards eod1 you're either insane or mafia if this read still sticks.
I'm less sure TTT is town then last game. By some margin. Im not going to post much in the night, but I have some thoughts that I will share before the day post.
On June 11 2023 07:58 CopCake wrote: Ok DP, if I live in a world you are town, do you think TTT has the power to manipulate you and play you?
This was my last post before I fell asleep.
Can you answer me Darth?
I'm not answering you anymore as you have not had the courtesy of answering me this game since the beginning. I have asked you several times now to provide reads on literally anything else.
In my opinion all you have done this game is to ineffectually try and lynch a townie.
It's not productive, it's not interesting and I am moving on.
On June 12 2023 10:11 LightningStrike wrote: If happened to die I do think there is 1-2 active mafias that were around EoD most likely given how flip floppy everything was at EoD should relook at EoD much closer.
On June 12 2023 10:11 LightningStrike wrote: If happened to die I do think there is 1-2 active mafias that were around EoD most likely given how flip floppy everything was at EoD should relook at EoD much closer.
You should definitely post your reads before the day post.
But I’m working on my house so these will be brief. If I get nk then I implore you to look into this and find the details I couldn’t share.
If I’m alive I’ll post more.
Scum: I think there should be at least one maf on my wagon.
I think it’s copcake. I know you all might think I’m tunnelled or whatever but the fact is she has literally done nothing nor provided any reads all game and constantly ignores requests to do so. The easiest way to play an active mafia is just to tunnel the first thing that you can get a hold of.
I know Rayn thinks she is town. I strongly disagree.
I think marvs slot Is likely to be scum if he replaced out. Shit to say but I think it’s alignment indicative that he would just nope out of a scum game.
I think hapa and mz are both town cause they cared about the lynch eod.
On June 12 2023 11:18 LightningStrike wrote: So the only people really active the last hour of Day 1 were Darth, MZ, Hapa(dead town), dmb (dead town), TTT, and Vivax. Just wonderful -_- Read Hapa's filter and the only thing I got out of it so far is he had a big scumread on MZ hmmmmm.
Can you stop acting so scummy otherwise I’m going to think you fake claimed.
Mafia know that mz was on Japan’s radar that could be the reason the nk him it’s wifom that you yourself used as mafia last game as mafia.
On June 12 2023 11:25 LightningStrike wrote: Darth I know I had used WIFOM before as mafia regarding Night Kill stuff but here I am actively trying to figure things out hence my question. Btw who in the hell is Japan?
On June 12 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Obviously I think someone who knows Hapa's rep killed him but the question is who had played with Hapa before?
He was also objectively townie and had thread presence.
I also think mz is town so maybe maf wanted to push things in that direction.
I think people who didn’t care about the lynch seeing it was town on town on town, are the people to look at.
Mafia really struggle with last minute vote switching so it’s a good place to look for info.
It’s part of the reason I agree with Rayn that vivax is town, also why I thought hapa and mz were town.
I need to re read cause it didn’t feel like ttt actually cared about who got lynched but that could also be style or whatever.
But yeah firm on mz, vivax, you, me as town at this point.
Rayn would be in that group too but I guess I respect his scum game too much, thinking he could appear this town or and actually plausibly still be mafia (not thinking that is the case)
On June 12 2023 11:25 LightningStrike wrote: Darth I know I had used WIFOM before as mafia regarding Night Kill stuff but here I am actively trying to figure things out hence my question. Btw who in the hell is Japan?
Mafia sorry autocorrect I’m phone posting
Ok that makes more sense now in that post. Who knows though regardless.
On June 12 2023 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i was very good at D1 until some point. Should have just lynched TTT when i had a chance, with Hapa.
It was until the dmb wagon and you weren’t exactly wrong either.
On June 12 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or like at face value, if you just read his posts, they look okayish, but if you actually know what has been happening in the game he isn't really saying anything at all.
This is the main point. And hasn’t been adding anything new at all.
Like last game he came in with lots of new information to consider.
This game, his Copcake read in particular is based entirely on my own work. He is just rehashing what I have said pretty much.
On June 12 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Obviously I think someone who knows Hapa's rep killed him but the question is who had played with Hapa before?
He was also objectively townie and had thread presence.
I also think mz is town so maybe maf wanted to push things in that direction.
I think people who didn’t care about the lynch seeing it was town on town on town, are the people to look at.
Mafia really struggle with last minute vote switching so it’s a good place to look for info.
It’s part of the reason I agree with Rayn that vivax is town, also why I thought hapa and mz were town.
I need to re read cause it didn’t feel like ttt actually cared about who got lynched but that could also be style or whatever.
But yeah firm on mz, vivax, you, me as town at this point.
Rayn would be in that group too but I guess I respect his scum game too much, thinking he could appear this town or and actually plausibly still be mafia (not thinking that is the case)
Btw, not shitting on you or anything, but don’t you think mafia rayn! Would have let tunelled cake continue to bother you? Or LS? Anyone else?
He pretty much cleared you.
There can be a tinfoil scenario but that doesn’t help here.
I think there is some stuff could scum players have to do if they are strong town players.
Or actually do to result in reads like this.
But I don’t actually think Rayn is mafia right now which I said in my post.
Why do you react so strongly to my reads and posts but not about anything else In the game?
Surely if you think I am town it’s in your best interest to look at the posts of others?
On June 12 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Obviously I think someone who knows Hapa's rep killed him but the question is who had played with Hapa before?
He was also objectively townie and had thread presence.
I also think mz is town so maybe maf wanted to push things in that direction.
I think people who didn’t care about the lynch seeing it was town on town on town, are the people to look at.
Mafia really struggle with last minute vote switching so it’s a good place to look for info.
It’s part of the reason I agree with Rayn that vivax is town, also why I thought hapa and mz were town.
I need to re read cause it didn’t feel like ttt actually cared about who got lynched but that could also be style or whatever.
But yeah firm on mz, vivax, you, me as town at this point.
Rayn would be in that group too but I guess I respect his scum game too much, thinking he could appear this town or and actually plausibly still be mafia (not thinking that is the case)
Btw, not shitting on you or anything, but don’t you think mafia rayn! Would have let tunelled cake continue to bother you? Or LS? Anyone else?
He pretty much cleared you.
There can be a tinfoil scenario but that doesn’t help here.
he was pointing out what was obvious already to the other stronger players imo. That’s not the reason I think he is town
On June 12 2023 15:25 Alakaslam wrote: Honestly glad she took down our wedding. It was cringe.
Here are some reasons I fell in love. She made these about a year before I met her but her whole life is not just YouTube.
She is delightful when she is like this. She is still capable of it. But she decided I am not worth anything much compared to her mom, who is a harpy.
It is so damned evil that we weren't allowed to build our life together. I hope she wakes up to what her mom is doing and comes back to someone who loves her enough to let her be herself instead of being a puppet of Ajumma
Sorry that happened slam. I hope you can find a way forward to a new chapter for you and your daughter.
On June 12 2023 16:36 TankTopTiger wrote: But Slam you weren't just trolling when you posted that. You wanted DP alive enough to dictate how you voted. Surely DP, who is a very strong scum player, could play relatively similar to last game even if red? This feels really weak without specifics Slam.
Lol why are you trying to throw doubt on people town reading your town read?
Do you find mafia the same way slam? The problem is that you played a really good scum game last game and that was basically through being amicable and town reading all the townies.
On June 12 2023 16:53 Alakaslam wrote: But how do you explain a smell? It isn't a worded thing
Is how I feel about the strange workings of my mind when reading tons of likely deceptive conversations in written form such that I am usually too bored to really read fully with proper skepticism.
You call it intuition or feel or whatever. Lots of players here play the same way imo.
On June 12 2023 17:05 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: DP I wasted a lot of time paying careful attention to you. People seem to be sheeping against you and then for you, and I think that's a good place to look for scum sign. I'm not trying to put doubt on you, I'm trying to find people who pretended they had reads they don't actually have. I do not support a lynch on you and acted yesterday to prevent your lynch.
The little information Slam is giving on his perspective doesn't really add up. The read he initially had on LS was based on a C&P, Slam should have reevaluated but didn't. This is the only readable info on Slam other than baseless reads (itself bing a baseless read but with damning context).
On June 12 2023 16:54 DarthPunk wrote: Do you find mafia the same way slam? The problem is that you played a really good scum game last game and that was basically through being amicable and town reading all the townies.
TBH I actually do. Even as mafia. And I know the feel and can dissociate as mafia. My read on LS last game felt real because it was
On June 12 2023 17:05 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: DP I wasted a lot of time paying careful attention to you. People seem to be sheeping against you and then for you, and I think that's a good place to look for scum sign. I'm not trying to put doubt on you, I'm trying to find people who pretended they had reads they don't actually have. I do not support a lynch on you and acted yesterday to prevent your lynch.
The little information Slam is giving on his perspective doesn't really add up. The read he initially had on LS was based on a C&P, Slam should have reevaluated but didn't. This is the only readable info on Slam other than baseless reads (itself bing a baseless read but with damning context).
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote: Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)
Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.
To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.
That’s not the only reason I think you are mafia.
I also think you are mafia because all you can talk about is me and, to a lesser extent, ttt and you are just revisiting and rehashing the same points over and over. you aren’t actively engaged in active scum hunting or doing basically anything else until you posted a very bland list post earlier.
Your focus on me started incredibly early, and your stated reasons for scum reading me earlier don’t really make sense.
These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.
That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.
That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote: Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)
Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.
To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.
I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.
I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.
While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.
To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.
At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.
I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.
You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??
These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.
That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽♀️
Mostly just me though.
This is true, I tunelled you hard for the “ooofffff” comment.
That’s fine but I think your mafia because you had basically no other reads or suspicions aside from that tunnel and adjacent to that tunnel
That’s the easiest way at to take activity as mafia cause you don’t actually do anything except argue and analyse everything one player is doing and try and turn it scummy.
You are t actually interested in the alignments of other players.
That is why you are scum. On top of the other things.
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote: Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)
Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.
To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.
I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.
I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.
While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.
To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.
At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.
I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.
You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??
I also said I gave you a pass for EotD, and also said “almost”
so which is it? I looked worse or I’m almost locked town?
On June 12 2023 22:08 TankTopTiger wrote: I think the vote is premature from DP. I don't think it goes through even if we get people on board rn. But I will almost certainly be voting CC if I think there's any chance of it working.
I can’t just not try to lynch the mafia standing right in front of me though.
On June 12 2023 22:10 CopCake wrote: Why in the world, mafiacake would fight two big guys?
Someone who has played with me pls answer that and talk about how I tend to play because these two say stuff that are lies or twist my words. Thank you.
I am the new Marv in this game.
I’m not lying or twisting words. if I am town like you think I am that is against my own best interests. Unlike mafia I actually try to understand peoples intentions and alignments.
You have no idea how much of a free pass I have been giving you these past days basically out of respect for Rayne read on you and to give you time and space to do literally anything else this game.
I have asked you time and time again to post about other things make other reads.
You have ignored me.
I legitimately feel that in all of our interactions the person lying and twisting the truth has been you.
And the fact you throw that at your stated almost locked town read as soon as they accuse you basically sells me on it.
I can be the scariest motherfucker you have ever seen in this game and tunnel you until one of us is lynched without a second thought. you don’t know how have restrained I have chosen to be.
On June 12 2023 22:10 CopCake wrote: Why in the world, mafiacake would fight two big guys?
Someone who has played with me pls answer that and talk about how I tend to play because these two say stuff that are lies or twist my words. Thank you.
I am the new Marv in this game.
I’m not lying or twisting words. if I am town like you think I am that is against my own best interests. Unlike mafia I actually try to understand peoples intentions and alignments.
You have no idea how much of a free pass I have been giving you these past days basically out of respect for Rayne read on you and to give you time and space to do literally anything else this game.
I have asked you time and time again to post about other things make other reads.
You have ignored me.
I legitimately feel that in all of our interactions the person lying and twisting the truth has been you.
And the fact you throw that at your stated almost locked town read as soon as they accuse you basically sells me on it.
This is a lie.
When I wake up I will prove, again, that im not lying.
On June 12 2023 22:23 CopCake wrote: Btw you shouldnt treat me in a “special way” because of rayn.
It’s respect for his town read on you. Nothing more.
Obviously I respect you as a human being. In The game, the fact you are Rayns partner or a girl doesn’t matter to me. I show my respect by holding you to the same standard as all the other experienced players here.
These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.
That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽♀️
How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!
Chezinu called me mafia Slam called me mafia
I didnt went hard on them?
Where did slam call you mafia btw. Didn’t he just stick a placeholder vote on you because I was a strong town read of his and was the opposing Wagon.
These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.
That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽♀️
How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!
Chezinu called me mafia Slam called me mafia
I didnt went hard on them?
Where did slam call you mafia btw. Didn’t he just stick a placeholder vote on you because I was a strong town read of his and was the opposing Wagon.
Did you just tell a lie copcake?
Is the placeholder, yes.
And you told a lie about chez too. Cause I just read both their filters and neither of them call you mafia.
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now
Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote: So: LS - town, uncounterclaimed tracker, longer filter in less than half the time of last game. Emotionally congruent?
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.
The rest is where it gets tricky.
Slam and Chez both seem to be playing similarly to last game. What that means for their alignment this game is anyone’s guess.
TTT’s play also has a lot of similarities to last game and at some point I thought he was pretty town for it. There’s something around how he’s treating Copcake this game vs me last game that I find suspicious though. Apparently last game he was happy to tunnel me to shit and tell me how poorly I was playing if town, seemingly purely based on his interpretation of other people’s interpretation of my play (?!). This game where he apparently has legit in game reasons to scumread CC, the tunnel is way more… gentle. Feels a marked difference. Something about the Hapa kill too (yes wifom)
rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something
Copcake I read as somewhat town for holding up to the pressure early game. I did agree with whoever said that there is a lack of alignment-finding-out-ness about her play, but then I think about some of my past games when I’ve been under a lot of pressure and I sometimes fall into the trap of just defending, defending, defending.
Vayo, bleh. Could obviously easily be mafia, probs in the same way some/all of you think I might be mafia in this spot.
MZ… I don’t disagree with the general analysis that MZ’s play feels similar to last game. But, ya know, townplay thay gets you lynched d1 (sorry about that) isn’t terribly hard to mimic either. I agree very much with what rayn said about MZ at the lynch. As an aside, I read a bunch of his past games last game, and he does just seem to be more aggressive now than he used to be.
Tldr; tomorrow I need to filter the bottom 3, and I need to interact more with the two above that.
While I don’t agree with some of the reads, I like this post in terms of a town Marv.
The copcake defence argument is not good imo because she basically manufactured the fighting and was the aggressor the majority of the time: so not really an excuse for town cc to not be finding mafia.
your rayn read is spot on. still don’t want to lynch him though.
On June 12 2023 11:11 Chezinu wrote: raynpelikoneet Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh
marvellosity DarthPunk
Vayoletta CopCake
TankTopTiger - saved for endgame with Slam
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What does that even mean? he is not calling anyone anything there.
Top people tend to be town, and the deeper, the scummier, that is how most people do lists here.
On June 12 2023 22:52 DarthPunk wrote: It seems like you are incredibly conscious of any, even remote suspicion towards you.
This is also a classic mafia trait, more focused on suspicion towards you than determining the alignment of others.
You can't be fucking serious DP? Everyone probably understood that list post,...
People misunderstood the list. That was me putting people in possible Mafia group. TTT was last cause Slam gotz to kill TTT last.
Okay. Too bad, then i have to retract from my townread on you because it would be a good reads ost.
Why was that a good read post? I find it hilarious that you swore at me for how dumb I was not understanding it as a basic list post and then it wasn’t.
I’m getting quite good at interpreting slam and chez at this point.
So I’m willing to say if I don’t understand something clearly it’s not obvious.
On June 13 2023 06:07 marvellosity wrote: DP, I understand what you’re saying about Copcake and the aggression, but defence -> offence is all part of the same emotional sweep.
I don’t want to lynch rayn either. There’s just a high threshold for me to townread a player like rayn (ie one that thinks similarly to me). So it’s either a pretty hard townread or I’m a wary marv.
Yeah I know exactly where you are coming from with Rayn.
It’s not about the emotions though. It’s about a lack of curiosity because of a tunnel she created, that allowed her to post 6 pages and not look for mafia. Like she seemed to focus on me incredibly early day one and never looked back.
The impetus for that seems more like looking for a tunnel to shut up the thread with and play active. than forming one naturally based on information and trying to determine alignments.
If you have the appetite at some point read her first posts of the game, she asks me for reads and basically never lets go.
On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia. DP is alive and Hapa is dead.
What do you mean by this?
I would have put myself into a position where i find a scumread on you and get you lynched, then argued my way out of it later, just because why not. Then i would shoot marv because marv has like 10x better eye for figuring me out than Hapa and after all i looooooove bullshitting Hapa when i am mafia, it's pretty much the only thing i take genuine pleasure in when i am mafia.
Hahaha you actually sound excited about this scenario.
On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does nobody really see all the problems in this post?
On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is: + CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it + CC is not paranoid when she should be + CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later + CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.
I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.
On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.
On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
In between here LS claims.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now
Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch
On June 13 2023 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ah okay, so no brainstorming much, since i leave work in ~4hrs. :/ I would have love to, since you're the only person currently, aside from LS who i can with almost full confidence say is town.
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.
This particularly bothers me a little bit. One of the best posts last game from marv was answering to "why would mafia try to lynch Vivax so hard D1?" with "because they can, and after D1 Vivax becomes very quickly very obviously town and mafia can't lynch him anymore".
It bothers me because i don't know why marv is not able to see that Vivax is quite obviously town. The read here in particular seems very half-arsed considering how Vivax has played this game.
He is calling Vivax town there though. He's just doing it in that sassy sarcastic marv way.
On June 13 2023 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ah okay, so no brainstorming much, since i leave work in ~4hrs. :/ I would have love to, since you're the only person currently, aside from LS who i can with almost full confidence say is town.
You walking back your town read on me rayn?
I don't really have any good reasons to think you're town other than your eod1. I am trying to figure out if it's possible you do that as mafia.
I'm going to choose to interpret this as respecting my scum play rather than thinking I am shit at being town :D
On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is tiresome.
Top town LS Rayn DP (for mechanics) Slam MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid) Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read)
Mid tones
Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ????????????
Mafia
Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you.
Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony.
TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game)
I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her.
On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is tiresome.
Top town LS Rayn DP (for mechanics) Slam MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid) Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read)
Mid tones
Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ????????????
Mafia
Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you.
Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony.
TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game)
I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her.
My two cents.
##unvote: copcake
I'm unvoting here because the last point is the first piece of common ground that I understand between us. I thought the exact same of the bolded since yesterday, it was very strange that TTT wouldn't lynch vayoletta, it seemed to me to be the only thing he really cared about during the lynch.
On June 13 2023 08:50 TankTopTiger wrote: I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.
I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.
Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).
I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.
If you are town you will need to defend yourself and also look for scum, its hard but it is what it is.
On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Vayoletta+TTT I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.
Trying to find out where I am at in the game, these are my very loose positions as of right now.
Green:
Marv, Rayn, DP, Vivax, Slam, LS
Green Brown:
Chez, MZ
Red Brown:
TTT, Copcake,
Red:
Vayoletta,
Somehow I feel like there might be a Mafia in the green group but I don't know who that would be at this point.
I really am not sure why there would be no mafia on my wagon day 1 and Vivax, LS and DMB are all town, so even though CC is looking better to me, how likely that 4 townies are on my wagon and mafia don't jump on?
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote: DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.
Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.
But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.
On June 13 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote: What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?
Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?
I already posted it. But basically in the two posts she made she was alluding to having reads while posting absolutely nothing.
Also if you are town you are probably undervaluing town reads and not lynching into them.
The thing that struck me was your hard no to a Vayo lynch, when there were very few good options, and your lack of urgency in finding an alternative to an increasingly obvious mislynch.
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
On June 13 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote: DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.
Yeh and vayoletta was a suspect.
But we could just be getting snagged here, and I won't consider this as a reason to lynch you unless vayoletta flips red.
Arguing about this is useless. It was perfectly clear TTT considered Vayoletta / marv policy lynches and didn't want to policy lynch. Regardless of if YOU think they were policy lynches or not, he thought so. It doesn't make him anything.
Disagree, if TTT is scum with vayoletta, he would absolutely position himself against policy lynches to protect them getting flipped day one.
That is exactly the kind of play I would expect from him.
But its associative so not that important right now.
On June 13 2023 09:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Mmmm I think in my first games I might have been pro-policy lynching because I didn't understand the reasons it was bad. Not sure if those are under spaghetticus or no.
DP you've seen me explain this stuff as town much more recently in werewolf in A52.
if I recall correctly that was around no-lynching not policy lynching. Policy lynching isn't a thing in IRL mafia, because everyone is right there.
You can see why i View this is a weird position to take right?
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-
AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME
Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads: + Show Spoiler +
Hapa is green on slam: Here Doesn’t like me: Here Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours): Here Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe: Here LS is wishy washy town: Here Red on me and Chez: Here Waffling on me: Here Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS: Here Doesn’t want to lynch DP: Here Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake: Here Torn on me: Here Thinks DMB is a mislynch: Here Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta: Here Red on TTT: Here +1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch: Here Not happy with a DP lynch: Here Settles on a DMB lynch Here Final vote for me: Here
Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:
a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility. c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.
Just going to focus on Chez for now. a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu” l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad
Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.
Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.
If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.
Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-
AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME
Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads: + Show Spoiler +
Hapa is green on slam: Here Doesn’t like me: Here Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours): Here Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe: Here LS is wishy washy town: Here Red on me and Chez: Here Waffling on me: Here Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS: Here Doesn’t want to lynch DP: Here Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake: Here Torn on me: Here Thinks DMB is a mislynch: Here Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta: Here Red on TTT: Here +1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch: Here Not happy with a DP lynch: Here Settles on a DMB lynch Here Final vote for me: Here
Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:
a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility. c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.
Just going to focus on Chez for now. a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu” l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad
Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.
Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.
If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.
Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?
I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.
I think you missed a reason, Hapa is a strong town player and would , become correct.
I don't place much stock into NK analysis because it is so easily manipulated by mafia.
On June 13 2023 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright let’s start with the NK’d townie who I wanted to lynch the fuck out of today -_-
AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME
Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads: + Show Spoiler +
Hapa is green on slam: Here Doesn’t like me: Here Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours): Here Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe: Here LS is wishy washy town: Here Red on me and Chez: Here Waffling on me: Here Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS: Here Doesn’t want to lynch DP: Here Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake: Here Torn on me: Here Thinks DMB is a mislynch: Here Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta: Here Red on TTT: Here +1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch: Here Not happy with a DP lynch: Here Settles on a DMB lynch Here Final vote for me: Here
Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons:
a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility. c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum.
Just going to focus on Chez for now. a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu” l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad
Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much.
Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml.
If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me.
Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already?
I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons.
I think you missed a reason, Hapa is a strong town player and would , become correct.
I don't place much stock into NK analysis because it is so easily manipulated by mafia.
That's true but you could say the same for people like Marv, Rayn, or Vivax. If scum was going to kill anyone on potential I'd have to imagine they'd need a reason to differentiate amongst the potentially strong town players in this game.
I'm not going to sit here and say we should lynch Chez based on the NK but I do think it's worth looking back and what Hapa said.
Yeah absolutely worth doing it. I do it myself, I just don't place that much weight into it.
On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.
His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^
I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how.
On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum.
His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^
I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how.
Nope. One person in our group has it (irl-group) but we haven't had time to play it (we have combined ~300 different board games i think )
Awesome! I played twilight imperium for my birthday with 6 players. We spent 13 hours and didn’t get closed to finishing.
On June 13 2023 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: My biggest fear is that both of you and marv are mafia. It's not impossible given how marv treats you <-> me. I don't understand how you are "more townie" than i am, since we have had basically same reads aside from Cake. You having been more "thread boss" shouldn't mean shit.
You actually just seem less townie than last game. I had basically the same read as Marv on this. Last game you put posted me but this game I am edging you out by pages.
I’m not saying you are mafia here but I can understand how you look less town than your usual standard.
Also marvs read on me is heavily derived from the eod stuff as is yours.
The paranoia makes me feel better about you though.
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Aight. I think I'm a goner.
Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.
When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.
DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.
MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.
Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.
Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.
Good luck town whoever tf you are <3
Although this is early to throw in the towel
Although this is based on meta. I’m pretty sure he is more likely to be town based on this post.
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote: Aight. I think I'm a goner.
Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.
When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.
DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.
MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.
Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.
Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.
Good luck town whoever tf you are <3
Although this is early to throw in the towel
Although this is based on meta. I’m pretty sure he is more likely to be town based on this post.
To expand on this the only reason I’m not basically clearing him by this post is the fact that he identified I’m sentimental on lynches and maybe he is super manipulating me to town read him in this spot.
But I would expect if he was mafia to argue and shit up the thread not just post reads and give up.
This guy is one of the most argumentative people I know. And he does that shit in irl mafia too.
On June 13 2023 16:17 DarthPunk wrote: This guy is one of the most argumentative people I know. And he does that shit in irl mafia too.
So as exactly TOWN he gives up, not as MAFIA????????? so gives up when he has all the time in the world to address the case he knows is not right would not give up if the case is right and there is no way out
that's what youre saying?
Yes 100 percent this guy works in engagement and drops things all the time based on if he is engaged by it or not.
When he is mafia in this situation he would be engaged with trying to deceive and survive.
When he is town he is engaged by catching mafia and prosecuting cases so when he gives up post some reads etc it makes me think town.
I could be getting hoodwinked by him here. But I think it would be next level.
If you wanna call me mafia for not agreeing with you go right ahead.
If I used that exact thought process I would have called you mafia for defending Copcake for dubious reasons long ago and not really engaging with the evidence against her.
I told you there is a chance I was being manipulated it’s in the post I wrote.
I just think he would never make that post as mafia based on what I know of him.
I understand that you don’t like it. What do you want me to do? That is what I think. I don’t want to lynch him because I’m my mind he is more likely to flip town than mafia.
If he tricked me, the same way ve did. Sure.
But I have to do what I think is correct
Further, the reason I am not calling you mafia for your dumb shit with cc is because I don’t think it makes you mafia.
If you are town and you really think I am mafia for this you really have a weakness with things not going your way. Just like koshi.
The fact that he hasn’t been engaged in scum hunting as town is a good point against him but as was said with cc, it could be the fact he was copping attacks from people and has been more on the back foot then last game.
Either way I think it will become evident over time one way or another which I have said last game and this game.
The waffle with cc. Is a good technical point, that could be town trying to figure shit out waffle.
On June 13 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is no dumb shit regarding cc. if you think there is please rehash your points and make them more clear because i cant see it.
On June 13 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is no dumb shit regarding cc. if you think there is please rehash your points and make them more clear because i cant see it.
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
post her first real post of the game and continues for the rest of the game. All her posts are about me, in relation to me etc.
This is very scummy because:
a.) townies usually take some time to orient themselves in the game and form strong opinions and her progression on me does not reflect natural doubt, suspicion and time to process information.
and;
b.) Her read on me does not change with additional information despite asking a lot of questions, they do not lead anywhere or cause her to consider anything except to call me a liar and or mafia and or terrible.
She is acting in a way that attempts to demonstrate information gathering but does not actually do anything with the information.
2.) she didn't form opinions and actively avoided sharing her reads when directly asked, BEFORE SHE WAS UNDER PRESSURE
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?
On what?
The game in general so far?
I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think?
But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.
Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn.
She avoided explaining her town read on rayn
On June 09 2023 17:21 DarthPunk wrote: Cop cake what do you think Rayne alignment is?
On June 09 2023 21:31 CopCake wrote: I think, and HOPE that clarifies the whole lunch and cake can't read what Dart posted btw.
But there is still the question why am i town?
She lied about when her focus on me started Claiming:
On June 10 2023 18:29 CopCake wrote:
My focus on DP went how fast he jumped on me with the “ooofff” comment.
except the focus on me started before this, this was in fact reaction to a post quoting me after she had started tunneling immediately.
3.) Almost all of her filter is about me or talking about me, she did not do any scum hunting, she did not have any other mafia reads not in relation to me.
This is not how town tunnel. TTT and I tunnelled marv last game, we still scumhunted and made reads in the thread.
Copcake is not trying to determine who the mafia in the game are, all she does is give quick town reads for tenuous reasons.
until I call her out on this and she makes this list post:
On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is tiresome.
Top town LS Rayn DP (for mechanics) Slam MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid) Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read)
Mid tones
Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ????????????
Mafia
Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you.
Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony.
TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game)
I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her.
My two cents.
4.) her activity is directly correlated to either tunnelling me or defending against me or TTT. when I unvote to give her some space on the request of vivax she suddenly stops being nearly as active as earlier.
5.) There is nothing about her play that makes her town except emotions and anger that she herself says she could fake.
6.) She tells lies and twists facts to while falsely accusing others of doing so.
You see I have a perk that makes me look scummy as town, and I play into that and watch as the scum throw themselves at me calling me mafia.
It's a really effective way of catching mafia as the town players will often find the reasons I am town, but the mafia get caught up on stupid shit and start tunnelling me: See LS last game.
On June 13 2023 19:37 Vivax wrote: I think I‘m comfortable with a rayn and DP town bloc for today.
Yesterday I was drunk posting, today I‘m realizing that some things never change, like losing my shit over marv‘s sky-high arrogance.
Him making reads over whether they pushed/defended DMB is still nonsense he didn‘t even bother adressing and I think DP has been exceedingly biased in how he handled him. He‘s essentially making it futile to float marv as lynch today.
I think MZs posting has deteriorated and I noticed a bunch of players saying that his posting has improved (DP, Chez I think but I need to recheck) which I can‘t agree with. Will expand on what I think of him within this day.
Specifically I was bothered by his post about me cause I‘m not playing adhering to my tryhard meta at all times and that should show. So when someone compliments me in that way during a more fun oriented approach in order to town me it sets off red flags.
Busy for a bit but these are my good morning thoughts
I’m walking back my meta read on TTT by the way. I don’t think that post was alignment indicative. I think it would have been but I also think TTT knows what kind of effect it would have on me.
On June 09 2023 22:03 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay DP, but dishonesty != ignorance != wilful ignorance
See why I ask for clarity? Bad faith is what people say when they want to win an argument, it just means all the bad things IMO instead of anything specific.
This was annoying especially if he had cc as red at the time it just muddied the waters
Actually he argues about a lot of stupid shit or like theory or other stufff that doesn’t really matter
Last game he had mor focus on mafia. The problem is this could come from the game being messy (it is) and the mafia being less obvious (they are)
Now, you just need to argue how your are the cop guarding the cake and preventing us from eating it. Then other may argue that there is no cake and that the cake is a lie. But others will say it just matters what is on the inside. Then I'll be like. I love strawberry cake.. raspberries... cherries...
Im off to bed be back 4-6 hours before Lynch I don’t know what you mean vivax but chez is fucking around with his vote this game and he did care more last game
On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote: If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch
i think this is right and Vayo was reading ttt town from memory and now is all over that wagon.
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote: The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote: The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.
Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.
Let’s talk about how disconnected from the game this post is please
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote: The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.
Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.
Let’s talk about how disconnected from the game this post is please
Not a lot to talk about, you’re just right
Well I for one am outraged. Woke up early to read shit like this
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote: The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.
Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.
Vayoletta elaborate please.
It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.
Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.
He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?
Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.
Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax? You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?
Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.
I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.
Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?
Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.
Why do you townread Vivax?
What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red?
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote: The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.
This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.
Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.
Vayoletta elaborate please.
It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.
Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.
He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense
TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.
Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.
He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.
I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.
Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you?
He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed.
That’s talking about you.
And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ?????
On June 14 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.
Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ?
Last game was good, but he also overperformed my expectations that game.
On June 14 2023 08:03 Vayoletta wrote: Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?
On June 14 2023 08:03 Vayoletta wrote: Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?
On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote: Re: Vayoletta+TTT I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.
TTT’s reaction was not to even contest the pairing (note that he does not say anything about pairings and alingments) but to reduce the argument to be about policy lunching.
He’s not saying that I should be eliminated over him here even though he has said he suspects me.
It’s like TTT found the way to contest the pairing where he needs to say the least about me.
Or he literally only didn't vote for you over DMB because of his views on policy.
I don't even know why I'm defending him here, I literally think it possible he is mafia.
On June 14 2023 08:54 TankTopTiger wrote: I gtg, here's my take on vayo who I'm voting
I'm going to vote Vayo and not just because my survival depends on it. This is how I see them chronologically: 1) They lurk 2) I refuse to policy lynch them 3) They finally give reads after the lynch 4) The reads have very little justification. Spefically, Hap and Marv have poor jutsification. 5) I ask them to expand on their read 6) They ignore me 7) Other shit happens, I get overwhelmed and leave 8) They begin to suspect me based on me leaving, when in fact I am absent, after I tried to engage, and they ignored me.
Yeah Hapa was probably killed because his reads were bad, totes agree!!
That's not what he is saying.
He is saying that Violetta's reads on hap and marv have poor justification.
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote: Re: CopCake
Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.
Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?
On June 11 2023 19:06 Vayoletta wrote: I was not aware that nights are talky this game, that's not how these games are usually played. Thought I'd use the quiet night to catch up with the game.
In my vision Copcake, Alakaslam and Hapahauli are all town. With Alakaslam that's more of the tone and the way he conveyed his thoughts early game that makes me read him town. Copcake's aggression makes me read that slot as town. and Hapahauli's request of clarification for activity rules here makes me think he has genuine concern on my slot, which would more naturally come from town.
Haven't read the thread for pr claims, but will need to check if there are any clears.
If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax.
I could actually lynch MZ in this spot I think. I think what hapa said about his aggressive tone continues to be right, and is a marked difference from his play last game, even when he was under rpessure.
On June 14 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason why i am not more vocal against this lynch is because in my world exactly one of MZ & Vayois mafia.
On June 14 2023 10:06 DarthPunk wrote: I could actually lynch MZ in this spot I think. I think what hapa said about his aggressive tone continues to be right, and is a marked difference from his play last game, even when he was under rpessure.
You realise if MZ is mafia then Vayoletta is certainly town.
Yeah. the better Vayo looks the worse MZ looks.
That's why I'm flip flopping on my read on him.
In my mind the doom scenario is that this is a town vs town lynch.
On June 13 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright, here is why this case
On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.
The case is: (1) CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it (2) CC is not paranoid when she should be (3) CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later (4) CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.
is made by mafia. I have numbered the reasons TTT gives for Cake being mafia and i am going to address them separately.
(1) "CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it" This point on principle makes sense for someone being mafia. However there is a huge problem with me actually believing TTT believes this. Early on he seems like he is actually trying to make sense of Cake's read on me, he talks with me about it, and this is what he ends up with:
On June 09 2023 19:21 TankTopTiger wrote: You two knowing each other would explain a lot. The alignment read on you too.
On June 09 2023 19:22 TankTopTiger wrote: Right yep okay (congratulations!)
That piece of information basically resolves all my concerns regarding copcake at this point.
On June 09 2023 19:30 TankTopTiger wrote: All her actions that are questionable to me revolve around you, so your relationship is an explanation shared among all anomalies.
e.g. she reads you as town for no reason => except she's your fiance and so your relationship plays an enormous part in how she interprets your actions and her trust in you, probably more than anything visible to me in game.
At this point i tell TTT that i don't remember a single game where Cake has read me town when i have been town. He responds with:
On June 09 2023 19:43 TankTopTiger wrote: That does make her reading you as town 2x weird.
If you get repeatedly burned, you don't speak well of the fire.
I don't understand how it makes it "2x weird" because at first it wasn't weird at all. Way of an overstatement, which i would not coming from a town who was just convinced of there being nothing wrong in Cake's read on me. Moving on...
On June 09 2023 22:16 TankTopTiger wrote: For me, the main thing is why you have a town read on Rayn when that contradicts your meta of suspecting him. This meta is demonstrated in obs QT for endurance II, is evidenced by Rayn's report of your usual MO, and is expected based on your match history together of him being scum often (betrayal breeds suspicion not blind trust).
All this other stuff is squabbling compared to that. IMO your answer to this question will likely decide whether you live to see the night.
into:
On June 09 2023 23:02 TankTopTiger wrote: @Rayn & CC I don't think it's plausible that you are both red so I'm going to trust you both when you say it's reasonable for CC to trust Rayn in this game. I'm trusting you two to know each other better than I know you. CC isn't completely off the hook with me, she's still probably most red, but not deep red like she would have been if Rayn answered differently.
I'm gonna go to bed, I expect tomorrow we can resolve these claims about lying etc. with some slower posting if need be.
At this point there is simply no other reason for TTT to read Cake red than Cake's read on me!!!! He agrees with us that it's at worst NAI for Cake to have a town read on me, but Cake is STILL red. Absolutely fabricated read!
Almost anything else related to this isn't important anymore. There should simply be NO WAY TTT reads Cake mafia for this reason based on what he has said in thread regarding it. There is one point though. Since TTT is basing the read on Cake on what rayn says (lol), Cake answers TTT's concerns about it providing meta of Cake <-> rayn "dynamic: + Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2023 19:24 CopCake wrote: I was mafia in this game and rayn was town, I won as mafia. It is a small game so it would be easier to read:
On June 12 2023 22:15 TankTopTiger wrote: If it's a lie take it up with Rayn. I don't read outside games I've played it's too much work. He said it, it made sense given he's been rolling scum a lot, and it was corroborated by obsQT. That's what the read is based on.
Even if it isn't true, you still just flat-out assumed he was town and that's really bad unless you've established it as your meta and you haven't.
So okay, for real... TTT's case on Cake hinges ENTIRELY ON CAKE TOWNREADING ME WHEN SHE SHOULDN'T! Cake provides HARD EVIDENCE saying otherwise and the guy DOESNT EVEN CARE TO LOOK AT IT!!!!!!! I mean like for TTT's case this is the ONLY way Cake can EVER defend herself and prove TTT wrong, and when she tries to do that, the dude just says "fu i dont wanna read that". This is simply 100% mafia talking. Always 100% mafia.
(2) CC is not paranoid when she should be
I don't understand what this is about at all since i can't see any reference to this in TTT's filter. I can only assume it refers to point (1) so basically nothing new here.
(3) CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
There is huge problem here. Noone will never ever "play the game" same in obs than they play when they are actually in the game. I mean, do i even have to go into why this argument is absolutely retarded and fabricated and noone can ever think "you are playing differently than you were obsing" as town?????????? There are many points where TTT uses "but you did this in obs and youre not doing the same now", it's just completely unreal, a town player will never ever think anyone plays the same they obs a game, fucking 100% fact.
(4) CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)
First of all, it is more likely for a townie to tunnel / suspect someone who calls them mafia, because they factually know that person is wrong (not necessarily lying but at least wrong). For a player who knows they are town, scumread on them ALWAYS looks bad, that's a fact. Marv did it last game (not tunnel, but similar). I have probably done it many times. When there is suspicion on you, when you are town, you want to clear the suspicion. In this game Cake has tried to do so, probably not that well, but still tried to do so. If we assume Cake is town and she is trying to clear the suspicions on her (aka posting her old games etc), if the counter to that is "nah im not gonna look at it, too much work, you still scum", what would YOU do in that situation? Because i would tunnel the shit out that mafia shithead. It's not OMGUS when the reasoning for the read is absolute garbage.
Another thing regarding this, is that what has TTT himself done other than pushed Cake as mafia for these reasons he shouldn't even believe in? Let's see: - Waffled on DP all game, always ending up on light green on him (why the hell waffle even, DP is pushing exactly same stuff than him most of D1?) - Questioned almost conf town LS why he townreads his own townread (really?? ) - Wanted to read marv / Vayoletta, instead of reading got into some random stupid argument with DP - Some random questions for some random other people that never lead anywhere
I believe in do as you preach. People may have very different opinions on what makes people mafia, or what makes a good case. But they still always believe in their principles in scumhunting and follow them. If you think something is universally scummy (let it be whatever), you don't do it. The only exception i have ever come across here (aside from random bullshit trolls like kushmasta -- i mean in real mafia players, which i consider everyone being in this game), is MZ, which makes it usually impossible to read him.
Nevertheless, TTT is definitely not doing as he preaches, since basically everything "relevant" he has done in this game is tunnel Cake, even when he has been given hard evidence that should be making him think otherwise. I would say it's a tunnel when you just skip the provided evidence and end up in same spot you were before, or even purposefully refuse to even look at the evidence.
##vote TTT
I am a good little sheep for this guy when hapa dead, ngl
##Vote: TankTopTiger
Is that handle a reference to one punch man, by any chance?
On June 14 2023 14:04 Alakaslam wrote: I would like to think I wouldn't have picked Vayoletta, but, tbh... I think it is 50-50. Catching up I came to the conclusion that it was town vs town.
On June 14 2023 14:24 Alakaslam wrote: Could be Rayn at this point because his "I am still alive and hapa is dead" makes a lot of sense, But there is wifom
On June 14 2023 14:25 Alakaslam wrote: There is always wifom but there is more there than Rayn would have us believe.
That being said, there is a red Wifom to that white Wifom (higher alcohol Content in red than most whites) because Rayn would totally draw the same point as town
These are good points actually.
The primary reason that I think rayn is town is that he said that it was because I was alive and hapa was dead.
But that was also WIFOM.
I have started reading his recent scum games to see if anything sticks out. (due diligence)
On June 14 2023 14:24 Alakaslam wrote: Could be Rayn at this point because his "I am still alive and hapa is dead" makes a lot of sense, But there is wifom
On June 14 2023 14:25 Alakaslam wrote: There is always wifom but there is more there than Rayn would have us believe.
That being said, there is a red Wifom to that white Wifom (higher alcohol Content in red than most whites) because Rayn would totally draw the same point as town
These are good points actually.
The primary reason that I think rayn is town is that he said that it was because I was alive and hapa was dead.
But that was also WIFOM.
I have started reading his recent scum games to see if anything sticks out. (due diligence)
I being DP. The fact that he probably could have tried to lynch me Day one and then got out of it is true.
But also WIFOM and it makes it worse when he points it out.
Rayn has definitively been somewhat less than last game.
But he also says he would feel the need to take more thread control as mafia, which is also WIFOM.
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.
(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)
I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.
I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)
On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote: But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.
(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)
I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.
I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)
Shady lady.
But yes, plenty to think about this night.
Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down
I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.
On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote: But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.
(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)
I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.
I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)
Shady lady.
But yes, plenty to think about this night.
Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down
I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.
That’s irritating information-wise on a d2 lynch.
I think this points towards town on town more than anything.
On June 14 2023 15:59 marvellosity wrote: I was getting slightly worried about LS yesterday because he hadn’t posted for a while. But I thought some of the stuff he posted when he was back looked really town. Stuff I don’t think he can post as mafia. I’ll dig it out at some point if I have to
I'm less sold on LS as blue then I was, if there is another blue they should claim the next day while we still have one mislynch in hand.
If there is not mafia in the Marv/rayn slot I wonder if a successful LS fake claim is what made the game really hard?
On June 14 2023 16:09 TankTopTiger wrote: LS where are you mate?
Marv if you show me why his recent posts are towny I'll listen. I don't read them that way but he's lazy tunneled on me (no conviction/curiosity, just cheering against from a quick filtering). It seems to me like he feels pressure to think something (ANI), and his tunnel is what he feels obligated to do. I don't think this makes him red because this is a doozy of a game and it's got us all stumped, but it doesn't feel towny.
On June 14 2023 16:05 TankTopTiger wrote: Yeah but explain why he was all the way at 99% (if that was you).
Because you're skittish af second guessing yourself every which way and 99% is super duper high.
it's hyperbole.
Can you focus on important stuff please
That's fine. You've made me roll my eyes too with policy gate, let's not fight.
IMO people are saying too much dumb shit like "99%" when they don't mean it, and that makes it hard to find scum who similarly are throwing out empty reads.
So I'm going to ask for clarification and you can be annoyed but it's better if you just answer and move past it. I felt disempowered at what felt like everyone evading me yesterday, so I'm not letting people get away with not answering anymore.
I’m not answering because it’s obvious and your fixation on stuff like this rather than scum hunting is part of the reason you could be mafia
On June 14 2023 16:56 TankTopTiger wrote: Has Rayn answered why he went on Chezinu so fast and then jumped off? Both actions are hella ambiguous to me for someone who only votes when they're certain.
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.
On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.
On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
In between here LS claims.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now
Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
See and here too. Why are people just believing the claim straight up? Last game he claimed cop, pretty sure no CC, and he still went down as red. Why is the exact same scenario playing out except this time he's 99% blue according to big boys DP and Rayn? (minus hyperbole, 99% still means strong read).
It’s because we all have some idea of the balance of a game and in this game 2 blue roles make sense.
On June 14 2023 16:56 TankTopTiger wrote: Has Rayn answered why he went on Chezinu so fast and then jumped off? Both actions are hella ambiguous to me for someone who only votes when they're certain.
On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them.
On June 14 2023 17:32 TankTopTiger wrote: So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?
And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?
Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.
You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this.
It’s not fucking important if Rayn or I were being stupid unless you think we are both mafia together.
On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them.
You need to step up mz.
OK fair.
Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game?
How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game?
I’ve talked about mz and Marv at length in my filter if you read that and still have questions I’m happy to answer them.
On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them.
You need to step up mz.
OK fair.
Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game?
How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game?
I’ve talked about mz and Marv at length in my filter if you read that and still have questions I’m happy to answer them.
Dude it's 2:45am for me and I just got home from flying, I'll reread your filter tomorrow but I'm not gonna be awake much longer so for the sake of conversation right now just work with me here.
I'm trying to take a step back and reassss.
No worries I’m not trying to sass you . Take the time you need
On June 14 2023 17:32 TankTopTiger wrote: So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?
And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?
Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.
You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this.
It’s not fucking important if Rayn or I were being stupid unless you think we are both mafia together.
Kinda weird that both of you did it though right?
In your shoes assuming town, I might feel dumb, but I'd probably be asking why someone else made the exact same mistake?
I haven't ruled out you're both mafia together, nor am I assuming it. I just think it was a stupid/boldscummy thing that two otherwise strong players did. Bonus points I get to shit on Rayn for partially basing his read on me yesterday for it.
This is not a direction that will lead to anything. Unless there is another blue claim and then we can address this stuff then.
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Vivax had stated real reasons why he would rather lynch ttt over Vayo and Rayn asks him to swap and he does immediately.
Hypothetically If maf were trying to keep wagons close and still lynch ttt vivax is sus.
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf
Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Vivax had stated real reasons why he would rather lynch ttt over Vayo and Rayn asks him to swap and he does immediately.
Hypothetically If maf were trying to keep wagons close and still lynch ttt vivax is sus.
Why?
assuming they wanted ttt dead but mafioso on both wagons
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf
Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.
That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo?
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf
Nah it only makes sense if TTT is town.
I can see it both ways actually so I don’t think it means much.
On June 13 2023 19:34 marvellosity wrote: I haven’t got time to get into this DP/rayn thing rn but I will later.
rayn I’m not sure what your world view is supposed to be unless you think exactly TTT/DP/marv are mafia. Unless I misread something that’s 100% impossible
On June 14 2023 19:01 marvellosity wrote: Not now as I have meetings coming out my arse from now. I will re-look later though, I’m not sure it’s as important as I may have thought it was at the time mind you
I'm saying that if I was cop or tracker I wouldn't have CCed. So it doesn't matter if it's possible for there to be two inspector type roles (i never thought there would be) because it's possible for there to be one and LS to still be red. If I was cop or tracker, I would have let him go and kept using my role then claim later (or claim by default when MS/NK).
That’s fine then we worry when they claim no? Which should be tomorrow by the way. ( so we can verify with one mislynch left)
On June 14 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote: Meeting finished early so I flicked through LS’ filter. He’s just not mafia. Take away the blue claim and he’d be one of my strongest townreads. His stream of posts make sense (in the way that LS’ posts make sense within their own world, if that makes any sense to anyone else?). The read/vote on TTT does not feel contrived.
Including the fake C&P opener and being able to tell that a conversation is forced without being able to tell the direction of that force? We were just about to lynch him and now you're saying he's the greenest man alive.
Any other of you vibey folk verify this read? Does it make sense? Because I can' evaluate this shit I'm not built that way and don't understand LS's meta.
I don’t think Marv would lie about this unless he was mafia with ls.
I never claimed cop last game I only talked about being a cop in a past game with DP unless you thinking of VE who did claimed cop as mafia End of Day 2.
Ah, sorry, I misremembered. My bad.
FWIW I was also trying to get your shit out in the open now. If you're town, people have sort of decided that but not given much reason. If we're doing these chaotic lynchings and a CC comes up, you need to be vetted beforehand otherwise you're just a free MS. We've got two more mislynches then we lose, and these tides are fickle.
Now you need to move on and talk about who is mafia.
On June 14 2023 20:53 TankTopTiger wrote: The read above doesn't take into consideration the lynch which I've yet to really look at. For me, this pushes all of them a little further red, and everyone off my wagon a little further green. When I've got time, I want to go over it because I can probably get some town reads from seeing who had the option to swap onto me but didn't considering there was only one vote in it.
But this doesn't really mean much for you guys because you don't know I'm green. When/if I die, this information might be relevant.
Why is everyone not lynching more green when they lynched another townie?
On June 14 2023 20:47 TankTopTiger wrote: Who is mafia?
Weak red Rayn (to be expanded upon/confirmed). I did look over his filter and in isolation I don't see what I was seeing early game. He's been cruising since CCgate with the exception of TTTantrumgate when he was fighting DP. I don't understand his vote on Chez or why he switched off so quickly. He's been misreading me a lot and it's super frustrating, and so I haven't really engaged with him because it feels like he wants me to be mafia.
Red CC (stale) LS I'm just treating as grey even if my vibe read is not at all the same as others vibe reading him
I think chez is possible based on gamestate but I don't read his posts until there's a good reason to because I consider it a waste of time.
I don't have strong feelings about MZ or vivax, but that puts them as light green by default given how much they've posted without any alarms going off for me.
Slam is another I genuinely don't understand the green read on. It feels like people just decided it. He feels different to last game (emptier) but he also got caught last game, partially for having too full of a filter. I wouldn't read him red per se but I feel like he's taken a step back from last game.
On June 14 2023 21:14 TankTopTiger wrote: Can I ask how dangerous Hap is as a town? It sounded like he was respected but he wasn't getting the dick-riding treatment like e.g. Marv.
Strong town but weak scum?
I know NK wifom, but I think each player sort of has a range of people they NK. If I was scum, I would have gone after Rayn/Marv/DP because I don't know Hap or what he's capable of. I get the sense that there's a narrative surrounding the stronger players that more sheepy players would be submerged in and glued to. I think people also remove the threats they know. So I think the strongest player on the scum team is someone who has played with Hap before and respects his town game enough to consider it as much of a threat as Rayn/DP/marv. Someone discerning and confident. I think this points once more to one of Marv/Rayn/DP, but maybe others, I don't know the history of other players.
Hapa strong town weak maf when I played. Worse than Marv. This was a long time ago.
On June 15 2023 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: LS, mafia (and DP) is gonna tell you that Cake might be mafia for some bullshit from D1, don't believe it. Hapa is not dead if Cake is mafia. There is no reason mafia shoots hapa (suspects ttt/mz -- not cake) over like dp/rayn/marv even, if he is wrong.
marv knows this, "noone ever trusts dead people posts". If Cake is mafia, then TTT has to be town, and then it is always more beneficial to shoot like DP (i dont mean this makes DP mafia, just that he is wrong and Hapa is right).
On June 15 2023 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: LS, mafia (and DP) is gonna tell you that Cake might be mafia for some bullshit from D1, don't believe it. Hapa is not dead if Cake is mafia. There is no reason mafia shoots hapa (suspects ttt/mz -- not cake) over like dp/rayn/marv even, if he is wrong.
marv knows this, "noone ever trusts dead people posts". If Cake is mafia, then TTT has to be town, and then it is always more beneficial to shoot like DP (i dont mean this makes DP mafia, just that he is wrong and Hapa is right).
The problem is this is just WIFOM
i am not talking to you iam trying to make another townie make a good decision if i can affect that. you and marv are not in that category.
On June 15 2023 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: LS, mafia (and DP) is gonna tell you that Cake might be mafia for some bullshit from D1, don't believe it. Hapa is not dead if Cake is mafia. There is no reason mafia shoots hapa (suspects ttt/mz -- not cake) over like dp/rayn/marv even, if he is wrong.
marv knows this, "noone ever trusts dead people posts". If Cake is mafia, then TTT has to be town, and then it is always more beneficial to shoot like DP (i dont mean this makes DP mafia, just that he is wrong and Hapa is right).
The problem is this is just WIFOM
i am not talking to you iam trying to make another townie make a good decision if i can affect that. you and marv are not in that category.
You know what is weird to me Rayn, you are really the only one who has strong opinions and reads this game and after two mislynces it makes more sense to have doubts and be disoriented. It is sus as hell because you literally lead a mislynch on the doctor day 1 and your case on TTT wasn't that good.
And yet you are super super confident that MZ and TTT are mafia, and while I have made it clear its possible, the lack of doubt from you over these reads is freaking me out, particularly after you said before vayo you didn't mind if they flipped because one of marv and vayo are mafia, and now you are not calling marv mafia.
Your confidence vs activity vs townliness ratios are all fucking wrong this game.
And instead of working with me to solve the game you are basically trying to discredit the main driver of anything this game and calling me bad and working with LS who was afk most of day 2.
It is so different from last game, and there is not explanation for it.
On June 15 2023 08:50 DarthPunk wrote: You know what is weird to me Rayn, you are really the only one who has strong opinions and reads this game and after two mislynces it makes more sense to have doubts and be disoriented. It is sus as hell because you literally lead a mislynch on the doctor day 1 and your case on TTT wasn't that good.
And yet you are super super confident that MZ and TTT are mafia, and while I have made it clear its possible, the lack of doubt from you over these reads is freaking me out, particularly after you said before vayo you didn't mind if they flipped because one of marv and vayo are mafia, and now you are not calling marv mafia.
Your confidence vs activity vs townliness ratios are all fucking wrong this game.
I dont give a shit, i didnt lead a mislynch D2.
OK, you lynched the DOC day D1 and literally said you were ok with a Vayo lynch because either her or marv were scum.
On June 15 2023 08:50 DarthPunk wrote: You know what is weird to me Rayn, you are really the only one who has strong opinions and reads this game and after two mislynces it makes more sense to have doubts and be disoriented. It is sus as hell because you literally lead a mislynch on the doctor day 1 and your case on TTT wasn't that good.
And yet you are super super confident that MZ and TTT are mafia, and while I have made it clear its possible, the lack of doubt from you over these reads is freaking me out, particularly after you said before vayo you didn't mind if they flipped because one of marv and vayo are mafia, and now you are not calling marv mafia.
Your confidence vs activity vs townliness ratios are all fucking wrong this game.
I dont give a shit, i didnt lead a mislynch D2.
OK, you lynched the DOC day D1 and literally said you were ok with a Vayo lynch because either her or marv were scum.
So I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
On June 15 2023 08:50 DarthPunk wrote: You know what is weird to me Rayn, you are really the only one who has strong opinions and reads this game and after two mislynces it makes more sense to have doubts and be disoriented. It is sus as hell because you literally lead a mislynch on the doctor day 1 and your case on TTT wasn't that good.
And yet you are super super confident that MZ and TTT are mafia, and while I have made it clear its possible, the lack of doubt from you over these reads is freaking me out, particularly after you said before vayo you didn't mind if they flipped because one of marv and vayo are mafia, and now you are not calling marv mafia.
Your confidence vs activity vs townliness ratios are all fucking wrong this game.
I dont give a shit, i didnt lead a mislynch D2.
OK, you lynched the DOC day D1 and literally said you were ok with a Vayo lynch because either her or marv were scum.
Say what?
Yeah he said that he wasn’t fighting against the Vayo lynch more because in his mind either Vayo or Marv were scum.
But Vayo flipped town. He is not pushing Marv and he is trying to act all but hurt for a lynch that, by his own admission he was ok with.
On June 15 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: and this is why you are useless, if you were any better at this game i would call you scum but it's hilarious i can't, it's just too bad...
In your world if you mislynch then it’s their fault for being mislynched
If others mislynch it’s their fault for mislynching.
On June 14 2023 10:06 DarthPunk wrote: I could actually lynch MZ in this spot I think. I think what hapa said about his aggressive tone continues to be right, and is a marked difference from his play last game, even when he was under rpessure.
You realise if MZ is mafia then Vayoletta is certainly town.
On June 14 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason why i am not more vocal against this lynch is because in my world exactly one of MZ & Vayois mafia.
So now stop posting until D3, please. Just let the people who know what they are doing do their work because you clearly have no fucking clue about anything atm.
On June 15 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: and this is why you are useless, if you were any better at this game i would call you scum but it's hilarious i can't, it's just too bad...
In your world if you mislynch then it’s their fault for being mislynched
If others mislynch it’s their fault for mislynching.
If you are wrong it’s because others are bad.
If others are wrong it’s because they are bad.
Fucking shit.
ha. i actually never do this shit. hf does. you do.
I used to do that. I don’t think like that anymore which is why it rubs me the wrong way.
On June 15 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: and this is why you are useless, if you were any better at this game i would call you scum but it's hilarious i can't, it's just too bad...
In your world if you mislynch then it’s their fault for being mislynched
If others mislynch it’s their fault for mislynching.
If you are wrong it’s because others are bad.
If others are wrong it’s because they are bad.
Fucking shit.
ha. i actually never do this shit. hf does. you do.
I used to do that. I don’t think like that anymore which is why it rubs me the wrong way.
it rubs you the wrong way when you do it? like dont get me wrong, i have very high regards on your scumhunting abilities, but right now you are just a useless piece of shit. i am sorry to say that, but it was the same last game at various points.
I know when i need to get my head straight, and it's not here this game or last game, but you definitely need to do it rn.
Go read TTT and MZ. Then come to right conclusion, then figure out last mafia.
It rubs me the wrong way when others do it,
I don't know why you think I think MZ and TTT are town by the way.
On June 15 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: and this is why you are useless, if you were any better at this game i would call you scum but it's hilarious i can't, it's just too bad...
In your world if you mislynch then it’s their fault for being mislynched
If others mislynch it’s their fault for mislynching.
If you are wrong it’s because others are bad.
If others are wrong it’s because they are bad.
Fucking shit.
ha. i actually never do this shit. hf does. you do.
I used to do that. I don’t think like that anymore which is why it rubs me the wrong way.
it rubs you the wrong way when you do it? like dont get me wrong, i have very high regards on your scumhunting abilities, but right now you are just a useless piece of shit. i am sorry to say that, but it was the same last game at various points.
I know when i need to get my head straight, and it's not here this game or last game, but you definitely need to do it rn.
Go read TTT and MZ. Then come to right conclusion, then figure out last mafia.
It rubs me the wrong way when others do it,
I don't know why you think I think MZ and TTT are town by the way.
You have given the impression to me N2, sorry if i am wrong.
You realise they were the only ones plus Marv who were interacting in the thread, I was trying get them to do stuff and posts reads and not get away with talking about pointless shit (TTT) tying to get him off the CC read and post more stuff.
This should have obvious to a town Rayn, but you are instantly tunnelled on your reads this game which I don't like because I really respect your ability to incorporate new information and adjust and this game it doesn't even seem like you are looking for new information.
On June 15 2023 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: rules are clear just answer the question
Answering is against the rules!!!
Its not just can't say you are town but you can say you are not mafia.
When have I ever denied that as mafia?!?!? Same thing.
Ok well I don't to push the rules, but it seems off that for someone that was trying t skirt the rules and protest against them you suddenly are moving from a technical definition of the rules to a definition based on intent.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)
On June 15 2023 09:35 CopCake wrote: Problem is, if rayn was mafia, why try to win enemies now?
And he DID tried to save Vayo
Does he not do that as mafia? Flame people I mean? haven't seen his scum play in a while, but i read sf his last scum game and he definitely was getting into it with people in that game.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.
and?
Im trying to do that and you say this:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)
you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.
I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.
Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.
I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.
and?
Im trying to do that and you say this:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)
you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.
I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.
Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.
I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.
I'm not ever going to play this game like a blind sheep, I am always going to make what I consider the best decision at any given time.
I am skilled enough to have agency in this game regardless of if you approve or not.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.
and?
Im trying to do that and you say this:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)
you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.
I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.
Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.
I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.
yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv.
It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance?
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.
Especially when they're jackasses about it
can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game? Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.
I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.
He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.
Especially when they're jackasses about it
can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game? Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.
I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.
He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.
you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.
Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.
and?
Im trying to do that and you say this:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn.
Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.
If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia. I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/
What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)
you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.
I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.
Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.
I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.
yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv.
It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance?
i think we just see the game differently...
Absolutely, I thrive in chaos as both alignments, why do you think I have a proclivity for last minute wagon changes? mafia react slower than town, they can't keep their stories straight, they are less engaged with the thread and react poorly and in a manner that does not make sense.
Town become more clearly town prior to a lynch.
I love to be accused early because it gives me lots of info to work with.
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.
Especially when they're jackasses about it
can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game? Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.
I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.
He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.
you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.
Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?
Because it just comes across as false bravado.
good for you, have at it.
I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you.
He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.
you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.
Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?
Because it just comes across as false bravado.
good for you, have at it.
I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you.
And if we are both alive I can lynch him for you.
On June 15 2023 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: MZ's change of heart is especially very unnatural, there should be absolutely nothing for him why TTT read changes from D2 scum to N2 town.
Oh yes lol, my change of heart after having my biggest scum read flip town and a desire to reexamine how I've been reading the game. Pardon me for trying to keep an open mind.
Let's all assume that I die tomorrow and I flip town. How is that going to change your read of the game.
I know you're going to say "I'm not doing that, you're flipping red." That's your loss as I'm trying to save you some time. But for everyone else, y'all should reread the game as if I've flipped town. You'll have a whole two days head start on rayn.
It's not open mind. I am not as good in english as marv or hapa is, but yeah.
It's not fucking "open mind". You literally agreed with parts of my case on TTT, then voted for Vayo (which i dont blame you for), then said you should not consider TTT mafia.
Why is TTT not mafia?
I cannot get over how similar TTT is to last game and since vayo flipped town the associative case that I had in my mind from the D1 lynch fell apart.
On June 15 2023 10:10 DarthPunk wrote: Would you rather lynch mz or ttt first.
Cause I know my answer.
TTT always TTT before anyone else
Ok that was my answer too.
Maybe we just lynch TTT tomorrow and then see where we land.
Nah DP let's do me instead. Much better that way. If you lynch TTT first tomorrow and he flips town then you'll lynch me at LYLO and I hate being the LYLO lynch that loses town the game.
Do you know this kind of martyrdom is super effective vs me?
On June 15 2023 10:10 DarthPunk wrote: Would you rather lynch mz or ttt first.
Cause I know my answer.
TTT always TTT before anyone else
Ok that was my answer too.
Maybe we just lynch TTT tomorrow and then see where we land.
Nah DP let's do me instead. Much better that way. If you lynch TTT first tomorrow and he flips town then you'll lynch me at LYLO and I hate being the LYLO lynch that loses town the game.
On June 15 2023 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you fucking offering yourself as lynch over your scumreda MZ?
All I've got to bring to the table at the moment is Chez and an incredible longshot suspicion of Marv. At least if I die it'll give the town some breathing room to discuss other things.
imo pretty much everyone has played very poorly as town this game. Yes I know my play isn't stellar but compare this game to last game and I would argue I'm not the only one who hasn't done their #2 responsibility as town and establish their innocence.
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda waiting to see what the NK is to try and bring at least some clarity to the game because at the moment I could probably find a reason to lynch every single player left alive.
On June 15 2023 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you fucking offering yourself as lynch over your scumreda MZ?
All I've got to bring to the table at the moment is Chez and an incredible longshot suspicion of Marv. At least if I die it'll give the town some breathing room to discuss other things.
imo pretty much everyone has played very poorly as town this game. Yes I know my play isn't stellar but compare this game to last game and I would argue I'm not the only one who hasn't done their #2 responsibility as town and establish their innocence.
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda waiting to see what the NK is to try and bring at least some clarity to the game because at the moment I could probably find a reason to lynch every single player left alive.
Except me.
so youre the best town player for lynching two townies so far?
On June 15 2023 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you fucking offering yourself as lynch over your scumreda MZ?
All I've got to bring to the table at the moment is Chez and an incredible longshot suspicion of Marv. At least if I die it'll give the town some breathing room to discuss other things.
imo pretty much everyone has played very poorly as town this game. Yes I know my play isn't stellar but compare this game to last game and I would argue I'm not the only one who hasn't done their #2 responsibility as town and establish their innocence.
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda waiting to see what the NK is to try and bring at least some clarity to the game because at the moment I could probably find a reason to lynch every single player left alive.
Except me.
so youre the best town player for lynching two townies so far?
And you fucking lynched DMB I tried everything to stop that wagon.
On June 15 2023 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you fucking offering yourself as lynch over your scumreda MZ?
All I've got to bring to the table at the moment is Chez and an incredible longshot suspicion of Marv. At least if I die it'll give the town some breathing room to discuss other things.
imo pretty much everyone has played very poorly as town this game. Yes I know my play isn't stellar but compare this game to last game and I would argue I'm not the only one who hasn't done their #2 responsibility as town and establish their innocence.
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda waiting to see what the NK is to try and bring at least some clarity to the game because at the moment I could probably find a reason to lynch every single player left alive.
Except me.
so youre the best town player for lynching two townies so far?
No. I'm the most obv town though, clearly.
you are mybottom 4
not according to the post you literally just posted.
On June 15 2023 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you fucking offering yourself as lynch over your scumreda MZ?
All I've got to bring to the table at the moment is Chez and an incredible longshot suspicion of Marv. At least if I die it'll give the town some breathing room to discuss other things.
imo pretty much everyone has played very poorly as town this game. Yes I know my play isn't stellar but compare this game to last game and I would argue I'm not the only one who hasn't done their #2 responsibility as town and establish their innocence.
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda waiting to see what the NK is to try and bring at least some clarity to the game because at the moment I could probably find a reason to lynch every single player left alive.
Except me.
so youre the best town player for lynching two townies so far?
And you fucking lynched DMB I tried everything to stop that wagon.
I lynched DMB correct You tried everything to stop that false
MZ: looked really bad, and then looks better when he posts. I think likely Maf if TTT is maf.
Marv: if Rayn is town then he is more likely to be maf. The thing that bothers me is the fact he has not been very forthcoming with his reads, could be time stuff, could not be. When he posts it seems like we are reading the game in a very similar way. I was bothered by him saying he reads rayn by engaging with rayn and then he really didn't do that much. (again could be time)
TTT: useless as fuck, I can see why rayn scum reads him, but not why he reads him so strongly. his focus has been on useless arguments and thread policing rather than scumhunting which i don't like.
Sheeps me a lot, uses me as cover a lot. His giving up post seemed specifically tailored to evoking a defense from me, because he noted me being swayed by the marv posts of the same ilk previously.
I think more scum than town at this point. If he is town its up to him to save himself. (the thing that MZ noticed is teh NK speculation for this night interesting to read into that if possible)
Chez: I think he claimed town in his own way.
Slam: Could be mafia. Marv is right about scum fatigue.
Rayn: could be scum with CC and a +1 he has not been his usual townie self this game. Lack of thread presences, lack of pushing anything that effectively, usually he is VERY effective.
LS: if there is another blue, you should claim and then lynch LS first IMO.
On June 15 2023 10:59 DarthPunk wrote: Reads time:
Copcake: Mafia if Rayn is mafia. Otherwise town.
MZ: looked really bad, and then looks better when he posts. I think likely Maf if TTT is maf.
Marv: if Rayn is town then he is more likely to be maf. The thing that bothers me is the fact he has not been very forthcoming with his reads, could be time stuff, could not be. When he posts it seems like we are reading the game in a very similar way. I was bothered by him saying he reads rayn by engaging with rayn and then he really didn't do that much. (again could be time)
TTT: useless as fuck, I can see why rayn scum reads him, but not why he reads him so strongly. his focus has been on useless arguments and thread policing rather than scumhunting which i don't like.
Sheeps me a lot, uses me as cover a lot. His giving up post seemed specifically tailored to evoking a defense from me, because he noted me being swayed by the marv posts of the same ilk previously.
I think more scum than town at this point. If he is town its up to him to save himself. (the thing that MZ noticed is teh NK speculation for this night interesting to read into that if possible)
Chez: I think he claimed town in his own way.
Slam: Could be mafia. Marv is right about scum fatigue.
Rayn: could be scum with CC and a +1 he has not been his usual townie self this game. Lack of thread presences, lack of pushing anything that effectively, usually he is VERY effective.
LS: if there is another blue, you should claim and then lynch LS first IMO.
GG if I die, i tried even if I was bad/
Scum fatigue dude my wife left me completely and took my daughter with her on Saturday. My apartment is still creepy with the half emptiness. I just stocked the completely bare fridge with about $100 worth of ralphs (shockingly, hardly any food) and that is why I am up so late.
So THAT is where my lethargy to log into mafia comes from, m8
Ok I understand that and have empathy for you.
I am just trying to play the game but yeah I get that could be a reason.
On June 15 2023 15:55 marvellosity wrote: That overnight period might be one of the wildest I’ve ever woken up to.
Slam - apologies, in my poor reading comprehension I hadn’t realised that had been happening literally now, so I row back my entire scumread. Really hope you’re okay
Who is mafia Marv? Is it really just ttt+ mz+ 1 like Rayn said?
On June 15 2023 16:32 TankTopTiger wrote: I can see the future, and it's not one town is going to like.
DP/Marv I think you've got to figure out whether you trust the other. Tomorrow is lylo and presumably, one of you will die to NK. If both of you are mafia, it's gg. There is no real chance of town winning at this point if that's the case, so I don't think it's worth town even considering. So I think town's best shot of getting through tomorrow is if we bet heavy on the read of our best players.
So when I flip green and you are dead, do you trust Marv/DP to mayor town through lylo or no?
We need to play risky, because we are up against a 3 stack and we will only have four.
If you are town I think it is this
On June 15 2023 16:20 DarthPunk wrote: Marv + Cake + 1??
If I hadn't mislynched marv last game and he didn't talk about activity stuff before the roles got sent I would be trying to lynch marv right now. Not gonna lie.
On June 15 2023 16:46 TankTopTiger wrote: So you don't trust Marv? How confident are you? No hyperbole please.
Part of me hopes it's CC. If it is, Rayn cost us the game after all that bluster bs and not me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (jkjk<3). But at the same time, I think it'd be really hard to pocket a partner and not have that cause relationship issues. And out of the two, Rayn is considered stronger, so it's less likely she pulled one over him this hard.
Presumably, they live together? Rayn dead now should have asked before.
I don't fucking know dude. I feel pretty terrible at this game right now.
Everytime you post I think you are town, and I know you could be master manipulating me here, but I just think the way you post is like you are playing as you would if you were gonna get mislynched.
I have no fucking idea why rayn was so confident about his reads, and maybe I am just bad and you and MZ are 1000 percent mafia.
If it was marv and vivax and copcake I would not be surprised.
Like I even forgot vivax existed this game, he is apparently super engaged by scumhunting based off his posts from last game, and marv called him unlynchable after day 1 the previous game.
Did he and cake pocket rayn? (used to be rayns major weakness as town)
If it was you and mz +1 I would not be surprised.
I am so fucking disoriented in this game.
At the moment I kind of want to lynch cake because she was a 100 percent scum read, but after rayns flip its more likely she is town.
So no, I'm not confident on marv, I'm not confident on anyone at all.
I don't think slam would use IRL stuff as an excuse to win as mafia.
On June 15 2023 19:33 Vivax wrote: Can‘t help but think that I don‘t fully believe DP when he said that he has no clue about what‘s going on in the game either.
On June 15 2023 19:33 Vivax wrote: Can‘t help but think that I don‘t fully believe DP when he said that he has no clue about what‘s going on in the game either.
Why is that?
That doesn‘t fit within the rest of your posting.
I don't think that is true, I have been transparently flip flopping all game.
On June 13 2023 02:42 marvellosity wrote: I really thought DP had a good shot of being mafia for quite a while when reading, he seemed more ‘together’ than last game and I’d generally characterise that as him being more likely mafia than town.
But if he is maf he did an exceptionally good job at ‘caring’ about the lynch. Makes it a lot a lot less likely
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[QUOTE]On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.
On June 13 2023 02:42 marvellosity wrote: I really thought DP had a good shot of being mafia for quite a while when reading, he seemed more ‘together’ than last game and I’d generally characterise that as him being more likely mafia than town.
But if he is maf he did an exceptionally good job at ‘caring’ about the lynch. Makes it a lot a lot less likely
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On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.
I just can't see why he is not doing anything. I really tried to engage with him and I just haven't been able to. He just ignores questions, or invitations to participate.
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.
On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.
On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
In between here LS claims.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now
Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch
This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.
On June 15 2023 06:05 marvellosity wrote: rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?).
the only post that even mentions wagonomics for his thinking on TTT was this:
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf
Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.
That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo?
Actually most of his thinking was based on reading his filter:
On June 14 2023 03:18 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I have just spent quite a bit of time in TTT’s filter, then I read your case at the end of it. I mentioned previously that TTT had disregarded information in the thread that contradicted his own tunnel. I went and found where it started to make it easier for you to check: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=148#2942
Essentially the history being that TTT thought he caught me in some sort of trap about what I said about LS sheeping me. He thought that I was talking about LS voting me, rather than following my vote on to DP in weak fashion. I posted my posts in thread to show this and he ignored it. Obviously it’s poor play to ignore evidence, but then again the direct evidence here is that a town TTT will ignore evidence. What makes it a little bit more difficult to stomach is that TTT does talk in his filter about learning from the tunnel on me, but makes the same ‘mistake’ (if that’s what it is) on CC.
Just to touch on your point about the “twice as weird” thing again now I reread his filter and your case - the not-mafia explanation here is that he originally found CC’s read on you weird, rowed back on it after an explanation, then found it weird again with the information that CC tends not to read you as town.
For me the strangest thing about his filter is the near obsession with DP; obviously they know each other irl so part of it must be that. But there’s a lot of dangling DP there as possibly mafia while consistently reading him town for not much other than ‘pro town’ posting. To me that doesn’t mesh very well compared to his nuts tunnel on me last game, I would have thought he would be more willing to interrogate his DP read, or otherwise have better reasons to read him town.
On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote: If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.
On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.
Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.
On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.
In between here LS claims.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now
Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch
This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.
Can I just get clarification here?
+MZ had two reads: Vayo and LS. +LS claims +MZ doubles down on "policy lynching" Vayo, his other read +Rayn misreads this as him abandoning his second read +Marv thinks this is a good take
This is what happened? Because if it is, this is super solid.
On June 15 2023 20:11 Vivax wrote: DP how am I town to you this very moment ?
Honestly after your shit post I almost called you mafia.
but here is why I think you could be town now.
1.) you are supposed to be more afk as maf and your posting more now d3 with some space
2.) Rayn had you locked as town and now so does TTT
and the most important one that has caused me to lean town on you this game.
3.) you swapped off DMB really early when there was literally no reason to do so and it would be much much easier to play, do anything with DMB dead if you are maf.
Also you called Marv out early on avoiding/ignoring answering you. I have been quietly thinking about that ever since. And it's pretty much true and part of the reason I think he is mafia now.
On June 15 2023 20:14 TankTopTiger wrote: How are you this smart and this stupid at the same time DP? Between this and 3postslatergate you just killed him dead.
On June 15 2023 20:16 TankTopTiger wrote: Like this is incredibly solid work. My only reservation is that you didn't slamdunk him the moment you read it but say it's been bothering you a while?
I was shook from the last mislynch. What else can I say, other than I wanted him to be town,
On June 15 2023 06:05 marvellosity wrote: rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?).
the only post that even mentions wagonomics for his thinking on TTT was this:
On June 14 2023 18:26 marvellosity wrote: I don’t know much about Vayo, but from this game alone it makes a bit more sense for mafia to want to lynch TTT than Vayo
I don’t think it’s much though
I think the wagon is spread the only person suspect in my mind from vote switching day 2 is vivax.
Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf
Nah the switch back to Vayo to secure a town ! Ttt lynch.
That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo?
Actually most of his thinking was based on reading his filter:
On June 14 2023 03:18 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I have just spent quite a bit of time in TTT’s filter, then I read your case at the end of it. I mentioned previously that TTT had disregarded information in the thread that contradicted his own tunnel. I went and found where it started to make it easier for you to check: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=148#2942
Essentially the history being that TTT thought he caught me in some sort of trap about what I said about LS sheeping me. He thought that I was talking about LS voting me, rather than following my vote on to DP in weak fashion. I posted my posts in thread to show this and he ignored it. Obviously it’s poor play to ignore evidence, but then again the direct evidence here is that a town TTT will ignore evidence. What makes it a little bit more difficult to stomach is that TTT does talk in his filter about learning from the tunnel on me, but makes the same ‘mistake’ (if that’s what it is) on CC.
Just to touch on your point about the “twice as weird” thing again now I reread his filter and your case - the not-mafia explanation here is that he originally found CC’s read on you weird, rowed back on it after an explanation, then found it weird again with the information that CC tends not to read you as town.
For me the strangest thing about his filter is the near obsession with DP; obviously they know each other irl so part of it must be that. But there’s a lot of dangling DP there as possibly mafia while consistently reading him town for not much other than ‘pro town’ posting. To me that doesn’t mesh very well compared to his nuts tunnel on me last game, I would have thought he would be more willing to interrogate his DP read, or otherwise have better reasons to read him town.
On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote: If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch
He is saying to rayn that his thinking on you (maybe being town) was mostly due to the makeup of the wagons, but this is in fact not the case as he stated it was from reading your filters.
On June 15 2023 20:40 Vivax wrote: Slightly offtopic but DP going from archon to arbiter at this timing is lol
Yeah I noticed that too.
I‘m lowkey disappointed you didn‘t call me mafia back there. Once in a lifetime opportunity to lead you astray after I woke up feeling mischievous enough to dare writing that crock of nonsense.
That was the last you‘ve seen of me trolling this game.
Unlucky timing I guess. I needed to give others space to do something and I guess it worked. In my mind we built a circle and caught a mafia.
On another note, the bursts are a little souvenir from what happened in December would be my guess. Maybe with a bit of an hereditary component that I‘m not sure is included in the DSM already.
I just think it‘s weird that I seem to have right hemispherical proprioception of the brain at times and that‘s also where the nutso in me comes from I‘d wager. Massive but indiscriminatory imagination and a recurring spot for isolated headaches.
You seem like you would be an interesting guy to meet in person I'd wager. (in a good way)
On June 16 2023 04:21 CopCake wrote: Like my only hardcore town reads now is LS and DP
So I will wait to see what others say, specially chezinu about Slam so he can put some light into it
Slam, why did you change your read on Mz that fast?
New information I catch up because phone post and fast fingers with double back button so I don't forget what page I was on / have to zoom in and see it
What new information slam? Specifically I can wait while you link the posts and explain.
On June 16 2023 04:21 CopCake wrote: Like my only hardcore town reads now is LS and DP
So I will wait to see what others say, specially chezinu about Slam so he can put some light into it
Slam, why did you change your read on Mz that fast?
New information I catch up because phone post and fast fingers with double back button so I don't forget what page I was on / have to zoom in and see it
What new information slam? Specifically I can wait while you link the posts and explain.
M_Z starts saying thing
You know what fuck it I'm not gonna have brain to be helpful anyway. Lynch me here before Lylo I hate this position worse than MZ does.
I scum slipped pile on, my scum buddies are Marv and LS his fakeclaim is so badass you all believe it even me too, look at how he just peaced out and never says "roleblocked" or "tracked person"
Watch me go bus now, I will host since that doesn't require as much time and I love doing this but hate doing this TO towns
On June 16 2023 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: Vivax it's WIFOM what he posted about me and Marv. Game is 100% invalid at this point due to Slam even though I am not Mafia and I don't think Marv is as well.
On June 16 2023 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: Vivax it's WIFOM what he posted about me and Marv. Game is 100% invalid at this point due to Slam even though I am not Mafia and I don't think Marv is as well.
Why is it invalid then?
Is ls complaining because slam is mafia and actually just outed his team ? Why is the game invalid if it’s wifom and Marv and ls are town?
On June 16 2023 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: Vivax it's WIFOM what he posted about me and Marv. Game is 100% invalid at this point due to Slam even though I am not Mafia and I don't think Marv is as well.
Why is it invalid then?
If he is town he played against win condition with that play. If he is mafia he would of outed his "teammates" regardless if he told the truth or not.
People have played against their win con worse than that as town doesn’t make the game invalid? Why you going to the hosts now?
On June 16 2023 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: Vivax it's WIFOM what he posted about me and Marv. Game is 100% invalid at this point due to Slam even though I am not Mafia and I don't think Marv is as well.
Why is it invalid then?
If he is town he played against win condition with that play. If he is mafia he would of outed his "teammates" regardless if he told the truth or not.
People have played against their win con worse than that as town doesn’t make the game invalid? Why you going to the hosts now?
Because of regardless of everything the game is invalid even though I am town and Marv is likely town as well it's due to intent not due to improper play.
No the game is not invalid based on that post if you are town.
Wtf are you talking about.?
You basically are confirming that scum team by complaining about this making the game invalid.
On June 16 2023 06:40 LightningStrike wrote: Like I know some town players had played super bad but never done something close to what Slam had done though outside a few who did in fact post their role pm.
On June 16 2023 06:40 LightningStrike wrote: Like I know some town players had played super bad but never done something close to what Slam had done though outside a few who did in fact post their role pm.
Why is what slam has done so bad ls?
Confirmed his own alignment and making 2 mislynches most likely by him outing me and Marv in that manner.
That is a totally fine play as mafia if you and Marv are town.
The only reason you would react this way and contact the hosts would be if he is actually mafia you have actually fake claimed and you are on a team with Marv.
That is why you instantly believed he outed himself and contacted the hosts.
On June 16 2023 06:47 LightningStrike wrote: I not conceding because I am town but Vivax pretty much nailed it on the head why I think the game is invalid.
On June 16 2023 06:47 LightningStrike wrote: I not conceding because I am town but Vivax pretty much nailed it on the head why I think the game is invalid.
On June 16 2023 07:00 Vivax wrote: I´m not going to stand in the way of game cancellation when it´s about personal wellbeing. I think the host should have a chat with the players in question, but I´m ok with it if it´s too much.
I'm almost certain he's being sarcastic, look at my posts during the night cycle, I said something similar at one point sarcastically calling myself scum.
The only way the game is invalid is if that's the actual scum team and in that case yes I'd agree to call it a draw but I'm almost certain that's a frustration post. Look at how's he's referencing things I said during the night.
It’s ls reaction to it that sells it.
Why would ls not contact the hosts when you made a similar post? Or TTT or DMB?
I'm almost certain he's being sarcastic, look at my posts during the night cycle, I said something similar at one point sarcastically calling myself scum.
The only way the game is invalid is if that's the actual scum team and in that case yes I'd agree to call it a draw but I'm almost certain that's a frustration post. Look at how's he's referencing things I said during the night.
It’s ls reaction to it that sells it.
Why would ls not contact the hosts when you made a similar post? Or TTT or DMB?
Actually LS outed his team really.
But yeah
God I still don't think LS is scum still, just really not reading the game well/at all. I'd strongly prefer to start with Marv
Why would he say that slams post invalidated the game and contact the hosts if he was not just mafia with slam and slam outed their team?
On June 16 2023 07:26 DarthPunk wrote: I actually think you did really well Marv, the activity excuse before role pms was pretty powerful.
The thing is I’ve not lied about any of it. I said in the scumQt, I’m sure as town I would have posted somewhat more than I did this game. But I’d still have missed d1 and my volume would have been a lot lower than last game.
Just really unfortunate for me the time commitments happened while I was scum, it’s way easier (for me lol) to coast as town without spending much time
Yeah I didn’t think you had lied that’s what made it so powerful!
It meant your activity really wasn’t a reason to read you mafia, it was more difficult to define, mainly not being agentic and proactive and engaged even when posting.
Dunno you definitely had me pocketed for a good while.
On June 16 2023 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: GGs everyone
But most importantly I hope you're doing OK slam. If you wanna talk man I'm here. I know it pales in comparison to what you're going through but my gf broke up with me D1 so I can relate to a fraction of how you feel right now.
On June 16 2023 07:42 marvellosity wrote: Just gotta say DP, you nailed CC day 1, really well played. Unfortunate you got talked out of it
Yeah I thought I had but I got yelled at about being bad.
She would have been next when you flipped
Dunno about vivax though
Yes, it was really funny reading it all in one go - you nailing CC to a mast repeatedly and correctly, and being told you were wrong and bad. Most entertaining part of the game for me
On June 15 2023 16:46 TankTopTiger wrote: So you don't trust Marv? How confident are you? No hyperbole please.
Part of me hopes it's CC. If it is, Rayn cost us the game after all that bluster bs and not me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (jkjk<3). But at the same time, I think it'd be really hard to pocket a partner and not have that cause relationship issues. And out of the two, Rayn is considered stronger, so it's less likely she pulled one over him this hard.
Presumably, they live together? Rayn dead now should have asked before.
I don't fucking know dude. I feel pretty terrible at this game right now.
Everytime you post I think you are town, and I know you could be master manipulating me here, but I just think the way you post is like you are playing as you would if you were gonna get mislynched.
I have no fucking idea why rayn was so confident about his reads, and maybe I am just bad and you and MZ are 1000 percent mafia.
If it was marv and vivax and copcake I would not be surprised.
Like I even forgot vivax existed this game, he is apparently super engaged by scumhunting based off his posts from last game, and marv called him unlynchable after day 1 the previous game.
Did he and cake pocket rayn? (used to be rayns major weakness as town)
If it was you and mz +1 I would not be surprised.
I am so fucking disoriented in this game.
At the moment I kind of want to lynch cake because she was a 100 percent scum read, but after rayns flip its more likely she is town.
So no, I'm not confident on marv, I'm not confident on anyone at all.
I don't think slam would use IRL stuff as an excuse to win as mafia.
On June 16 2023 07:50 Koshi wrote: Mebaby was spot on in obs. Not sure if she could read Vivax guilty face irl or if she really caught on to him and cc in thread.
I am his girlfriend I see there was shit going on between this two. slightly ignored each other in the game. Didn't question each other like all other players do and wasn't sure about marv but damnnnn I got 2 of 3 sadly in Obs
On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is tiresome.
Top town LS Rayn DP (for mechanics) Slam MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid) Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read)
Mid tones
Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ????????????
Mafia
Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you.
Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony.
TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game)
I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her.
Cake you have massive balls picking a fight with me day one, in my more youthful days I would have flamed, and death tunneled you until we were both gone. Lmao.
On June 10 2023 23:36 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hm I’m not reading carefully enough. Gonna re-read and recalibrate.
The story of this game honestly. It seems like the only one actually reading properly is dmb and then she scum reads me for literally no reason. So sad.
On June 10 2023 23:36 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hm I’m not reading carefully enough. Gonna re-read and recalibrate.
The story of this game honestly. It seems like the only one actually reading properly is dmb and then she scum reads me for literally no reason. So sad.
What do you mean exactly? Do you mean my vote on you?
Yeah I'm just reading through my filter and this was funny, you voted me and explained that you really didn't have a reason. Which was painful because you were the only one I thought was actually reading the thread properly at the time. :D
On June 12 2023 22:08 TankTopTiger wrote: I think the vote is premature from DP. I don't think it goes through even if we get people on board rn. But I will almost certainly be voting CC if I think there's any chance of it working.
I can’t just not try to lynch the mafia standing right in front of me though.
On June 17 2023 00:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't read the game and don't know if the lynch is evidence of it. What I do know is a woman came in and was like 'yo why u hate women?' to DP, and DP as much as gaslighting her. So.........thanks for the symposium I guess?
On June 16 2023 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @scum team were you guys actually NKing people to make me look bad or is this a very self centered perception?
I can't look at discord until I get home
Wasn’t there for n1 kill
Rayn was Vivax’s suggestion, I was gonna kill DP but I didn’t mind rayn
In another world where I had a lot more time, I would have gone for the DP kill and engaged in a grand shit fest with rayn, which I had a much better chance of winning or at least being a distraction for long enough. That would have been the plan.
I kind of got you. Just run out of time.
Sorry DP. Well played
Not a problem we all have a bad game from time to time.
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