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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:43 GMT
#1276
Is it though? You should still be trying to solve the game. I agree maybe you hold back more suspicion in a game because your words are also your actions, but your mindset is completely different. You were paranoid in QT, when you play you should be MORE paranoid because now everyone is trying to manipulate you. But nope, instead you blind trust Rayn, and don't seem to have strong opinions on anyone that isn't coming your way.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:44 GMT
#1277
Lemme check real quick. I wouldn't try to fake this as scum.

When you called them town, which game?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:45 GMT
#1280
Oi no stop. My claim was never that you should have called him scum immediately. YOU are twisting things. We have been over this so many times.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:52 GMT
#1286
I looked at my notes and you are correct regarding LS. I don't know where you called him town but there is no read where it was said to have been. I apologise, I was wrong, but that's not even close to my point.

You are even less suspicious than my notes said you were.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:59 GMT
#1293
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️


How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:03 GMT
#1299
Wait actually ignore that bit about no tunnel D4. You were suspicious during that time.

BUT ALSO
You regretted calling Rayn red last game and so blind-read him town this game. You also tunneled both me and DP last game (we were your top reads, especially me) and yet you have no concern you might be wrong this game exept when Rayn tells you off.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:05 GMT
#1301
But you're not chaotic this game you're just parked on a tunnel (as much as Rayn will allow you). The only chaos is the pedantic muddy bs that occurs any time anyone questions you.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:08 GMT
#1304
I think the vote is premature from DP. I don't think it goes through even if we get people on board rn. But I will almost certainly be voting CC if I think there's any chance of it working.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:15 GMT
#1309
If it's a lie take it up with Rayn. I don't read outside games I've played it's too much work. He said it, it made sense given he's been rolling scum a lot, and it was corroborated by obsQT. That's what the read is based on.

Even if it isn't true, you still just flat-out assumed he was town and that's really bad unless you've established it as your meta and you haven't.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:16 GMT
#1311
Two big guys? The reason is that these are the people who questioned you.

Slam and Chez are trolls who nobody takes seriously (at least at this stage of the game). They didn't come after you at all and stop pretending they did.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:27 GMT
#1322
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.

The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)

I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 14:05 GMT
#1334
Slam did vote CC, but IIRC he explicitly stated it was just to save DP. That's very different from something OMGUSable unless there was something more.

I'm unaware of any such convention with the lists but I genuinely don't know. I just assumed Chez was being cryptic and he'll be able to contextualise that post later? What's with the spacing? Is it a town tier list?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:50 GMT
#1437
I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.

I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.

Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).

I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:53 GMT
#1441
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:56 GMT
#1444
DP you've seen me explain in werewolf games to newer players why lynching suspects is actually required to win.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 23:59 GMT
#1446
In your mind it wasn't, in mine it was. They wouldn't give us any information, so to me they're a lurker.

My lynching history: VE (active), LS (active), Marv (active), Slam (by this point active), DMB (active).

I'm pretty sure last game I said something along the lines of "I haven't even read [long list of inactive player]".
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:06 GMT
#1450
Vayo had given zero reads before lynch. When you say this wasn't policy I just don't believe you?

How do you build a case on nothing and consider that strong enough to compete with your reads?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:07 GMT
#1452
What made Vayoletta a suspect pre-flip?

Can you spell out your reasoning for why it wasn't a policy lynch?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:37 GMT
#1460
On June 13 2023 09:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.


What did you mean by this TTT?


I meant that you get no information from the lynch, meaning you only get information that scum team give you from NK. Essentially, you give away all town agency leaving only mafia agency.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 13 2023 00:42 GMT
#1461
Mmmm I think in my first games I might have been pro-policy lynching because I didn't understand the reasons it was bad. Not sure if those are under spaghetticus or no.

DP you've seen me explain this stuff as town much more recently in werewolf in A52.
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