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So how did the meta evolve since I last played? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm here. Being able to read the whole thread in one sitting is...novel. What's in here is all right. I'm a little weirded out by DP wanting to lynch marv right away, it's inherently unhelpful as A) marv hasn't historically been moved by pressure, especially on D1, and B) has marv like ever been lynched on D1? Like, idk I haven't played in a decade but as I recall he has vet shielding as someone who can solve the game later. Is that the joke? Was DP literally just being funny? Meh. I'm suspicious of DP. Also thanks DP for inviting me to play. <3 Sounds a bit sensible for my liking | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Care to elaborate why though? I don't agree with a lot in the content of the post but i have a similar conclusion about DP's alignment atm. I would rather call him mafia (as i would you as well), than town. It’s difficult not to latch on to very old meta feelings when I have nothing else to go on. I have always felt VE sounds inherently more reasonable near the start of the game as mafia. It may also be that I just like teasing VE. | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote: It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:29 die_meatbaby wrote: Don't know they always writing in the same minute. Feel suspicious to me What’s your theory on why mafia might do that? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:31 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I specifically addressed meta stuff because I happily learned emotional intelligence during the past 7 years and managed a team of 30 which of course requires one to become more conciliatory than telling people they are fucking retarded for example, so I feel my communication has become less… direct, let’s say, over the years It’s a bit weird the sensation that everyone grew up a little over the years | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote: The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here. If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time? | ||
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I know I ignored your question to me, but why? | ||
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On May 23 2023 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he paid attention to something i said, in which not most of the people should even pay attention. :D Not a clear cut but yeah still the strongest read of mine as per now. Okay, I mildly liked his comment about you being a bit ‘short breathed vibe wise’ (not that I necessarily agree with that), was curious if it was the same reason | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:02 Koshi wrote: Damn. I am already thinking marv is mafia. This might become a problem. Have at it! | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:38 DarthPunk wrote: Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here? Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting? | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote: The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway  - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening.If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:16 Koshi wrote: I understand that is potentially true. But that only pinged me. After that you played rather cautious and also there I understand that "not clogging up the thread" is a good excuse for a small filter, but fact is that you have: 1) an opening with a question that goes nowhere 2) a cautious playstyle 3) a small filter I said I wasn’t going to get into this but as you all know I can’t help myself. 1. As discussed 2. Okay? 3. I’m actually conscious of the fact I already have quite a large filter. I’m going to have points (assuming I survive long enough) where I’m unable to be too active, so it’s in my best interests that the thread doesn’t explode too much. And I’m too good at making large threads. I think I am bang on that if town make a concerted effort to discern meatbaby’s alignment early on, that will be a good result for town. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:39 DarthPunk wrote: Whose plan? I guess none of it makes sense . It seems like you are making an associative case are they mafia together? Otherwise are you talking about a game plan between vivax and meat baby from before the game? None of the explanations really cause that post to add anything to lynching the correct person or catching mafia. feels weaker / less of a sharp contribution than I would expect Literally none of this bud :p I am saying town (as a collective entity) should make a big effort to discern MB’s alignment by getting her to explain her thoughts. If she is town, mafia will really be wanting her to be one of their (town) lynches so it would be great to eliminate that. If she is mafia, we should be able to pull that out as well. I.e win win | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. | ||
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“Which thankfully I’m not” | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote: If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote. Goodio? It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote: Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong. I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident. I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information. But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now. Well, I think that’s a pointless question then. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote: Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong. I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident. I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information. But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now. All a bit weak sauce, the whole post. | ||
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On May 23 2023 21:59 die_meatbaby wrote: Outside the game we never talk about the game It would be against the rules. #fairplayPrior to this game of course | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:00 Koshi wrote: Because I do not understand why it is in future you his best interest to have less than half a page filter at this point on D1. I will translate your answer to: 3 reads to me as "I am mafia and my plan is too fade away when I NK'ed all the good people. So it is best for me to post as little as possible now to make it more believable later." It’s a fair interpretation so I shan’t argue! | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:03 DarthPunk wrote: Ditto. does it make me mafia. If so why?? I think it’s fair to be critical but what specifically is wrong or causes me to be mafia. I can play badly as either alignment but playing badly does not cause me to be mafia. Are you actually asking me why TMI would be alignment indicative? | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:06 marvellosity wrote: Are you actually asking me why TMI would be alignment indicative? Yeah you’re actually not so ignore me. | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:11 Vivax wrote: Crunching a few pages before I seek productivity irl. Yes I'm more hedgy than with others on DM for obvious reasons. Would probably categorize it as mild trolling. But if it's really her opinion, then she will be able to put it into words more concisely as to what the reasons are, eventually. Not that I wouldn't murder her on D1 with the ol' baby seal club if I saw the necessity. For now all concerns regarding MB go into the the git gud n00b mailbox. So... (small) list time. The town: Koshi - Makes me laugh, pokes in good places and takes responsibility for the thread. Feels like an ez read. Rayn - The initial sense of urgency of his posts evolved into a calmer thread presence. I read the complacency as town so far, but I know not to underestimate his scumgame. VE - Initial entry felt off from thread context, but I think the approach he used holds merit and also shone a light where it could matter down the road considering I don't feel like marv and DP have to be town at this point. DP, Marv in null territory for the time being. DP appears a bit performative at times but he's also under pressure so could be that. While this appeared like town marv for the last sentence especially, I'm also conscious of the fact that focusing on discerning a new player's alignment is more pro-scum than pro-town while I can't deny that it's a necessity. Just… wrong | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:20 die_meatbaby wrote: You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game. Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence? | ||
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On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm? Don’t know | ||
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She’s bang on, I thought….. | ||
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On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much  come back friend.I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well. | ||
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On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3. 1) [UoN]Sentinel 2) Alakaslam 3) Chezinu 4) Vivax 5) LightningStrike 6) DarthPunk 7) Onegu 8) Koshi 9) die_meatbaby 10) raynpelikoneet 11) Meapak_Ziphh 12) marvellosity 13) VisceraEyes I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv. I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads. MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That post took about a million years to format properly so to sum up my problems with Marv in a post that's more succinct: I think Marv's play has been useless/scummy because his questions have not actually resulted in any real reads and he actively tries to distance himself from his only read of the game so far. He is filling space in the thread and looking active but his questions haven't produced a suspect he's willing to stand behind. For my own curiosity, can you make the other alignment argument based on my posting so far? How might that read? | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it. You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads? | ||
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I am heavily biased, naturally. | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D Take a moment and re-read everything you’re saying. Go on… | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads. You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it. It’s not a townie’s job to help other townies make reads. Better to leave them in the dark. Got it MZ👌 I’m aware this is incredibly WIFOM, but do you not think a mafia marv is capable of making reads (and further, forseeing it might be necessary)? | ||
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On May 24 2023 04:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The way you help townies make reads is by providing your own and then discussing them, not by just asking questions for the sake of questions. I'm honestly not even going to address that second part until you can give me one tiny read on someone who's not DP. At least you're aware of how bad that WIFOM is. It’s not bad wifom, it is just what it is. To the bolded, you must understand there are multiple ways of playing as town. Your view there is very straightforward (and not wrong) but it’s not the only way. From my point of view, I am looking for information and that’s how I’m trying to gather it. I’m absolutely sure you can understand why a town player would ask a series of questions to MB, even if you don’t see a conclusion at the end of it (currently). Am I wrong? | ||
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On May 24 2023 05:02 Koshi wrote: Did you guys plan this mindmeld in mafia!Discord? Obviously | ||
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Also thinking I’m scummy for not wanting to lynch into lurkers is also at best bizarre. It’s not like mafia are known for wanting an easy lynch on a lurker or something, is it VE? (He asks pointedly) | ||
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On May 24 2023 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not what I find off-putting, and I think its adorable that you think it's easy to lynch a lurker in this environment. Chances are we will, as a collective, vote-switch onto someone active like DP or Koshi based on something either you or rayn said, it will be a whole thing, and then the lurkers will live on until tomorrow. PLEASE tell me you think anything else will happen so I can laugh at you relentlessly. I have just reread your filter and you don’t actually mention what you find off putting. Bit rude tbh dear. | ||
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On May 24 2023 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not obligated to say what I find off-putting until I try and lynch you. You know this, this is 101 shit. I taught you better. MZ should be all over you right now then… | ||
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On May 24 2023 05:33 Koshi wrote: Noped out of that video under 1 minute Not even pressing play | ||
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On May 24 2023 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn: The sky is blue marv: The sky is blue koshi: :OOOOOOOOOOOO Tbh I don’t totally disagree but I’ll take it | ||
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I will try to organise my thoughts this morning. Tbh MB’s townreads on non existent players isn’t great, is it? | ||
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On May 24 2023 16:02 DarthPunk wrote: Nor the vote switch to Onegu after being so sure about vivax/rayn Hadn’t seen this! | ||
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On May 24 2023 16:18 Koshi wrote: Best case. I also thought of something else while driving to work that I need to check. Tbh it’s not bad at all and I may sheep you when it comes down to it (also, I may not). MB’s reasoning that you talk about feels incongruous with the earlier Vivax/rayn Discord posts. One is advanced meta, one is big online newbie. How do they mesh? | ||
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Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know) DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be. VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this? Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia? Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on. MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further. ##vote: MZ P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky. | ||
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On May 24 2023 17:07 Koshi wrote: The tinfoil is that Vivax his "relax guys she is just trolling" is rooted in truth because the ridiculous "YOU CAN NEVER WIN AGAINST ME VIVAX" spiel she did was in fact trolling as they are mafia together. As you know. My tinfoil is always strapped on firmly. don't think this is a terrible tinfoil though | ||
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On May 24 2023 17:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't even understand who fears marv's scumgame? Oi, I used to have a phenomenal record as mafia. Maybe not so much the last few games... | ||
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On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote: The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore. I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head. Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others. Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in). Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach. That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what. Vivax, there’s half baked, and there’s giving reads on someone who hasn’t posted - they’re not the same. | ||
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On May 24 2023 18:22 die_meatbaby wrote: No still not happy about rayn but could change depends on his next votes And if you try to fuck me up more i will find Koshi´s terraium and pet his snake Do you have problems with rayn beyond the original Discord thing with Vivax? | ||
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On May 24 2023 18:42 DarthPunk wrote: ok the shit posting is real. IM down to lynch the meat baby, but I'm scared that we are going to end up with too many mis lynch targets at this rate, If we are looking at things at face value. 1) [UoN]Sentinel – AFK 2) Alakaslam – I think town. 3) Chezinu – Unknown and unknowable 4) Vivax - grey 5) LightningStrike – grey leaning mafia (acknowledging that there is probably meta shit is why grey) Borderline AFK 6) DarthPunk – Town, obviously. 7) Onegu - AFK 8) Koshi - Town 9) die_meatbaby -???? Scum? 10) raynpelikoneet - Town 11) Meapak_Ziphh – Was town now leaning scum? 12) marvellosity - Townish 13) VisceraEyes – Grey 3 Maf 10 VT probably. Yeah things not looking great if this is a mislynch. There will be modkills | ||
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On May 24 2023 18:49 die_meatbaby wrote: So this stinky ass known as Chezinu and Seninel get out by modkills? And did´t have waste my fucking vote on an afk shit of toast?????????????????????????? And no i am not scum I am jsut slightly passive aggressive I’m not he host so can’t say for sure, but that’s usual protocol. | ||
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On May 24 2023 19:26 DarthPunk wrote: By the way I have been reading my old games, and I came across this: I know I said I would not use meta, but I thought I would put it out there for discussion of something other than DMB Saucy, I like it | ||
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On May 24 2023 19:34 die_meatbaby wrote: Not shure yet. I got out from the first pages here that some of you Koshi and forgot the second one (will check later again) that you where directly a little scared of him. Scared like he scamed you guys in an old game. I checkd his profil and games where he was in i was right and Koshi answerd that the fact i just got in my head was true so he won in an old game. he like switch for me. He´s silend and write less than you or koshi. writing less is for shure more safe as mafia and i would write less as well. But right now i don´t want to make an opinion on him, because he not that super active. If if he almost ignores my random bullshit and just don´t give a fuck seems suspicious. Because he didn´t got triggerd. I wanted to trigger you all, to see who is town. becauce nonsence trigger all kind of people and function very well and easy at the same time. You and Koshi but so much engerie to understand my nonseense writing, meanse you are town. Hope this helps you Problem with this is I’m 38 now I just want to have fun and win and responding to your irrational posts doesn’t help me do that. | ||
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On May 24 2023 21:24 DarthPunk wrote: Marv Thoughts? Im off to bed shortly. I just envy Koshi’s level of certainty about practically anything. | ||
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On May 24 2023 21:20 DarthPunk wrote: It's called empathy bro, I am trying to put myself in her shoes and to try and understand her perspective, I want to lynch scum, I am ok to be wrong, but I want to make sure that we get the lynches as correct as possible and that means I want to do some due diligence about the lynch. I recall so many occasions were people lynch the bad, "scum slipping" townie who is new. I think this town is able to determine if she is truly mafia or actually new/bad town so i'm keen to do that. That does not mean that I won't lynch her (say if MZ comes back and is super townie, or there is more information regarding DMB) but I am keeping the option that she is town open, because, if you read her posts with an open mind, she is doing enough to warrant this. Anyway, sorry you are not going to be around, im off to bed but will be around for the 4 hours or so before the lynch. I agree with this… at no point Koshi did I indicate I suddenly thought MB was “super town” | ||
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On May 24 2023 21:39 DarthPunk wrote: I’m logging off because my girlfriend is very confused and unhappy about my sudden dramatic increase In phone usage. Look forward to catching up on everything in about 8 hours. Haha. My other half the last day and a bit keeps calling me out on staring off into the distance vacantly… | ||
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On May 24 2023 21:42 Vivax wrote: Same here cause I guess that posting that way isn‘t necessarily AI for a first timer. I‘m perfectly happy with being of a flock under Koshi cause he‘s speeding through most details that matter in real time. Rayn too although the idea I was telling her what‘s okay to write was ridiculous and I don‘t know where he got it considering that her playstyle goes into too scummy to be scum at times. And I think that rayn should know that if I were coaching my gf we wouldn‘t be having these arguments. Maybe he can point out where he got the notion. I suppose that if she‘s mafia, marv‘s assessment was right. If she isn‘t, mine was and marv can be scum. In terms of pairings I don‘t think they are ever both scum. VE wanted to mayor her so maybe I missed something in the mech talk that‘s supposed to make her slamdunk town. What are you referring to here? | ||
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On May 24 2023 22:28 Vivax wrote: Ah, no I’m right regardless of her alignment, that’s kinda the point. Me saying a focus on DMB was more pro-scum than the inverse. | ||
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On May 24 2023 22:25 die_meatbaby wrote: I will make it but first I want a answer from koshi and dp Well DP is in bed and Koshi’s is in the thread. Your turn. | ||
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On May 24 2023 23:58 die_meatbaby wrote: wait... when i get lynched my vote against mafia is not counting anymore??? have fun to win this with on lose of town... You’re voting for an afk. How about a vote on who you think is most likely mafia with your best reasoning? | ||
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On May 25 2023 00:00 die_meatbaby wrote: i made i vote on v as well Only your last vote counts | ||
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On May 25 2023 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still want to talk about MZ marv? What specifically? Sort of more interested in VE’s case on Vivax right now. I find it hard to believe and something doesn’t feel right about it. Or is it just me. Someone said something (Koshi?) about VE/MZ not being the same alignment, so any doubt I have on VE is now bleeding into my scumread on MZ. | ||
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On May 25 2023 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: What don't you like about it? Like, as in you think this is perfectly reasonable for town Vivax? Is that what you're saying? I think what I’m saying is, can I envisage a world where a town Vivax treats MB in that fashion, given their RL relationship? And the answer is yes. While I have you, talk to me about MZ. You’re old enough to have played with him more than me. Did you agree with Ryan’s interpretation of his play that I alluded to? | ||
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I reference what rayn said because I feel MZ is more ‘random’ as town than he’s been here so far. Find it hard not to townread Vivax for producing the exact same reasons on MZ as me at essentially the exact same time (not checked timestamps to confirm, but that’s how it felt at the time) | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: With all that I wrote, that's what you take away. Man your "case" is that my posting is "too clean", that's a pretty transparent way of saying OMGUS. It’s like the opposite… | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Outside of me, who are your scum reads? Just the names, I literally just want you to reply with the names. Lynches I am entertaining today are: You DMB VE Currently very much in that order. If one of you/VE isn’t mafia I’d be fairly surprised, not because I necessarily think you’re connected, but just thread flow. | ||
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Town are fucked if both rayn and Koshi are mafia. Too much thread control. Fortunately I don’t think that is the case at all. If one is mafia (still don’t think so) then I’m sort of relying on the other to start calling them out. So I take into account both of their opinion fairly strongly. So while I’m a lot less sure on MB than they are, if I’m going to follow 2 players it’s them, and that may be the right thing to do here. Your aggression towards me is fairly bizarre though MZ. Assuming you are town, you must at least understand what I’m saying about you. You’re a good enough player to understand that a mafia playing ‘cleanly’ is very much a thing. So the fact you disregard that is weird. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Why are you just randomly throwing suspicion on them, do you think they're not town? What purpose does this serve other than to do exactly what I accused you of doing yesterday which is muddle up the thread. My aggression from you stems from frustration because I know you good enough as a town player to have real reads at this point in the game and instead all you've got is a weak ass case against me which you're now defending with yet more WIFOM. I'm really left with no other conclusion that you're scum. Also your VE progression is terrible, going from "not suspicious" to "something's not right" without explaining what you think about it isn't right is just more of the constant baseless and vague accusations I've come to expect from you this game. I'm not really interested in reading any more posts by you unless they contain clear cases backed up with explanations to your thought process as to why you find someone scummy. I'm tired minimal effort. It’s like you’re purposefully misrepresenting what I’m saying, because everything you’re saying I’m saying here - I’m not. I’m no longer engaging with you as whatever I say will get the same manic aggressive responses. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:37 Koshi wrote: imagine marv being mafia and going for the obvious mafia misslynch MZ and getting flak from town!MZ the entire game for it. Tempting to say it would be worth my death to disprove that, but I don’t actually think that. I’d rather MZ engaged somewhat rationally and changed my mind. Alas! | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok I'm sorry for being so aggressive, it's not helping the thread. I'm gonna un tunnel myself and decide between DMB and vivax or maybe LighteningStrike. ❤️ | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:39 Koshi wrote: This is a pretty townie post regardless of marv his alignment. MZ is like dafuq dude I am town and I am all you got? Do you have anything else on MZ town-wise. I’m fairly keen not to spend my time tunnelling a townie for however long if that is indeed the case. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:47 Koshi wrote: No sadly not. I don't think he is townie tbh. I just think he is such an obvious lynch that I don't know if he was mafia he would just open so badly we all gut read him mafia. 👍 | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: me too! overall this is really enjoyable game so far <3 Me three, I am absolutely loving it | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The bolded part is obviously true but the fact that you bring it up means you know it and therefore you could be acting that way to fool us but we can't know which one it is soooo.... old reliable This is very true. Obvs you’re not the first person to say it but it’s a big deal. Starting to think about where I leave my vote before bed. | ||
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On May 25 2023 03:59 Koshi wrote: Must say MZ when MZ is in the thread he engages with his reads and is figuring things out. First with VE and then marv. And all those interactions were pretty ok. Legit stuff, pressuring the person he is talking to and try to figure them out. He is pretty ok now that I think of it. All I will say is that it didn’t feel like he was trying to figure me out when we were interacting. Although I am biased | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:18 die_meatbaby wrote: I would but I already voted its to late to unvote when i voted this on D1 It’s still Day 1. Please vote someone you think is mafia and not an afker. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, i don't know how he can be so sure marv is town at that point of the game, and you imo should definitely not be (so sure Slam is town -- or like any sure at all as you think marv is mafia). I do lightly agree with this. One thing I would say though is that Slam has early townread me in multiple games (I think I re,ember this right). And he likes me when I’m nice to newbies. Even having said that - yes it was very early. | ||
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On May 25 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think it is that much alignment indicative for slam than it is to MZ, if it wasnt clear. Right - got you | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am still quite lost about the Chezinu read... It looks like super mafia thing to say but then it doesnt really go well with any scenario i am running in my head. It does look like a super mafia thing to say. Something I thought is - if a newbie is making a list post, maybe they call out ppl they think is mafia and sort of assume other people are town if they don’t stick in the memory? Still not very satisfying | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: What about LS? Is there a case on him? I know a lot of people have thrown suspicion towards him, namely DP (who should soon arrive i think?). Hour or two given his earlier posts. No case on him that I can see. If I had to make one it’s basically a lack of interest. I feel like town LS might be more involved. Maybe making a bunch of reads that I don’t understand but feel genuine. Think that’s missing. Not sure how strongly I feel about all that though | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it would be they are mafia together or Chezinu is town and she is calling him town for ??? Yeah the latter. Calling him town because she doesn’t remember him doing anything scummy. | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait as town or mafia? as in mebaby as town or mafia As town. As mafia it’s just a straight slip? | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:14 Koshi wrote: I am here but I am empty Get it together, now is important | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: but if she is town why does she remember all the other non-posters as non-posters? like i am trying to wrap my head around this a lot here... i dont think she is mafia together with chezinu, i think she would be more cautious about saying something soooooooo bad about her scummate, that's the conclusion i have come to. Yeah okay, I misremembered a bit I think, I thought Chez wasn’t the only ‘mistake’ but Chez is the only one she called town. On the other hand, she lumped Slam and Sentinel together, one who had posted a few times, one obviously not at all - so something not quite right there | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv let me know when you're about to get off. Youre my top town aside from Koshi and DP is prolly town too and i don't even know what others are anymore, but if we can't figure this out here then we're super bad or i am wrong and even more bad, or all mafia are non-posters and game is invalid. I have about an hour, maybe 1.5, but I can’t post for all that time. Partner demands some attention… | ||
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On July 11 2015 02:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Sigh. Marv just because you can't see why I liked ritoky over milo doesn't mean it isn't there. In fact if you look at everything that's happened subsequently I've been right about their play. But if you're hell bent lynching me we'll cross that bridge in a day or or two. In the meantime can anyone justify why they don't want to lynch vivax after the little shit he posted last night about "being lazy"? Both town | ||
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On May 25 2023 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here I just don't know what to do, you aren't budging and you and Koshi are gonna bring this one home. No one agrees with me on Vivax and anyone else I'd lynch either isn't in the building or currently posting and not relevant. So I played a little Spore. I can put a vote on Chezinu, the longer he's gone after avoiding modkill with post the longer I'm sus, but he's at least not in here shitting up the thread so it's meh. Why haven’t you engaged with me at all about MZ? Why didn’t you answer my question about Vivax’s motivations vis a vis MB? There has been plenty for you to get involved with. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: To be fair marv isn't doing MUCH in the way of defending himself when people calling him maf this game, so not sure why that's relevant. The meat train is....not for me. It shouldn't be for you either. I recommend Vivax if your vote is like...up for grabs or whatever. Maybe try to convince people by answering their queries instead of just repeating yourself? Literally the only reason I’m not super duper certain on MZ is because you’re being so unhelpful. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:04 Koshi wrote: Pfff. A world in which mafia is DP & VE. Then we are so far of the right track. No because I am suspicious of VE | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I wanted to play Spore, I swear I said that. re: Viv - I did, wasn't the question "Can you see this?" and I said "I considered it but think it's less possible"? I'll just go back and reread, but I need to go get lunch and junk. I did engage with you about MZ, I said I'd reread if you want me to and you never responded - then he posted so I figured there is content there to judge instead of meta, so I readed his post and it looked fine. He poppin on the meat train and that deflates me, but it's whatever. He COULD be mafia, but I'm feeling townishesque based on what's in the thread. No, you said you played Spore because there was nothing you wanted to say, the causal relationship is hehe other way round. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:08 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh Ok I am following daddy marv. I am too lost and I don't feel good anymore about lynching mebaby. I know I am very late here, but how do you feel about VE atm? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:11 Koshi wrote: It's on you now. I need sleep. Okay xx | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really out of place. Why would you ask your town read what his read on your other town read is in this situation? I thought that | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay if we're being honest, I wanted to play Spore so I disappeared. My partner finally loaded it up and we've been playing it. But mine keeps shitting me off so here I'm back. But to be frank, that's neither here nor there. I've said my piece and given my reasoning and it's sound and yall can jerk each other off as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that no one is even considering my input and is in fact saying I'm scummy for providing it. So there's no reason for me to be in here posting other than to clear myself and if you're suspicious of me you're doing a shit job of trying to get me lynched so I have no impetus to defend myself either. So go on marv. Talk about my causal relationship and how it makes me mafia or whatever. Unless you're going to try and get me lynched, which I welcome, then don't worry about when/if I play Spore. It's a shit game anyway. Except I did consider your input, and directly tried to engage with you, and you ignored me? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you explain this to me like i am 5? I dont really understand. VE makes case on Vivax about how he is treating MB. Both me and you state we can understand a town Vivax playing this way. VE does not engage with us about that at all. | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. I am glad you said that actually, not because i 100% believe you but because i think i can write you as town actually here now (something i was waiting for a while already^^) I think i would rather lynch either Onegu or Vivax. Onegu for that crap ass vote on you which reads only as "look at me i can do that because i am a boss" and Vivax for not calling super paranoid rayn+marv+DP has to be mafia or some other hit like that which he always does as town. If you do not agree, i am willing to sheep. I don’t think I can lynch Onegu, is that actually alignment indicative? I would definitely listen to you on Vivax but I don’t have time left. And correct me if I’m wrong but I’m not sure Vivax/MZ interactions have any meaning? Sorry if I missed it. Basically what I’m saying is you can be right on Vivax but I can still be right on Mz | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:33 Vivax wrote: My paranoia meta doesn‘t apply on D1 Pretty sure I‘ve also been more inquisitive towards different people than you have It does apply on day 1 | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: onegu too boss to be town. vivax too little paranoid to be town. Onegu is more aggressive as maf, isn’t he? | ||
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On May 25 2023 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: -.- But I was townishesque on MZ. UUUUGGGHHHHHH YOU GUYSSSSS. BUT VIVAX THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Why though (MZ) Yes I’m just about here. Gonna be afk for a while then if I, not asleep I’ll check in one more time | ||
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On May 25 2023 15:20 DarthPunk wrote: I can understand being frustrated, but I'm not sure this level of hyperbole is useful. Where’s the hyperbole? | ||
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On May 25 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: P{lanning on lynching the entire wagon while stating one he thinks one mafia is on the other wagon. THe game will be over before he lynches all of us, it makes no sense and is just not useful. Not if he lynches multiple mafia going through the wagon it won’t be. | ||
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On May 25 2023 15:38 DarthPunk wrote: It will if, as he says, he thinks at least one mafia is on the other side. Also im still not sure it wasn't town on town violence. It may yet have been, but jeez look at who you were with. | ||
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On May 25 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote: I am having trouble keeping up during breaks throughout the day but I resonate with this post so hard that I don't need to bold anything. Why didn’t you vote with me? | ||
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On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. Are you sure? As I’ve said, if any mafia player has the cajones to basically tell the town leaders he’s gonna lead the sheeple off their preferred lynch, it’s him (almost verbatim his words) | ||
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On May 25 2023 18:17 DarthPunk wrote: I can understand not wanting to get down in the dirt with the plebs I mean if you were feeling ‘outclassed’ why exactly did you end up on the opposite wagon of your top 3 townreads? Logically that’s the perfect time to sheep… | ||
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I think it’s an incredibly natural townie reaction to have that sort of doubt. Honestly the evolution of my play over time has been increasing self doubt. The positive side to that is you tunnel less townies into oblivion. The downside is you tunnel less mafia into oblivion too. I don’t know what to make of VE’s lack of doubt on Vivax, especially since such active/strong players were voicing doubts to him all day. Same with MZ’s lack of doubt about me tbh. Neither are natural to me. But VE is a totally different sort of player to me. | ||
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On May 25 2023 18:38 DarthPunk wrote: By his own admission no less he was feeling lost, and now he comes in acting all self-righteous when we don't even know MZ's alignment? Is he actually just butthurt that he didn't get the lynch he wanted? Lmao I mean why not. I hate that I didn’t get to find out if I was right | ||
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On May 25 2023 18:42 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I hope DP is mafia and I caught him with his nonsensical "ohno cant have town easy townread LS". But my ego aside I hope he is town and voted with 3 mafia on town doctor Vivax, and the next couple days he is going to scumread me and we will antagonize each other till the brink of WW3. Can you quote what you’re talking about here Koshi? | ||
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On May 25 2023 18:52 Koshi wrote: Yes it is the egg en chicken story. You betrayed us. Now there is this. marv is a gentle soul. Talk to him. He is way less vindictive than I am. Well he isn't at all. And I am 101% Never thought I’d see the day someone characterised my play like this :p | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:43 die_meatbaby wrote: koshi can´t handle the way how i play as a newbe. Tu much effort, or just the fact that I trolled a little bit in the beginning with discord to find my towncolleges. mafia was at this moment just quiet and laughing about my theorie and town people tried to find my point in this randomshitness. Was easier to me to find townies like you and koshi. I think i have to be voted out to make koshi a pretty nice suprise that he lost another townie. Anyways I am now really not shure about VE. He was like i don´t vote that after i explained how i tried to find townpeople and was the second person after voting on Vivax. Do mafia know he was doctor? or to they just know that he was town? also not happy about rayn by the way. in the night he changed his mind as well and voted on vivax. Reason from him was that V isn´t as paranoid as in the other games. Same reason why i thought he is mafia, but didn´t write it becauce i didn´t want to leek something from his personalty in rl. Why did he do did just in the night from europ. Like he know koshi and dp where sleeping and that V and me also were very tiered at this point. rayn never voted for Vivax | ||
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On May 25 2023 19:51 die_meatbaby wrote: but still tried people to vote on v instead of MZ and not science the begining more like in the last few hours before the voting finished. Also he had so much compassion on me when i tried to offend my self. And wrote : guys you can´t make me vote on this. IF i was a doctor i would give her save. Like this soundss so obv as mafia. He see that a new girl here get 4 votes and is town, just tried another way to play and hat pity on me. You’re talking about rayn right? What I will say is that despite your earlier post on the subject, there are plenty of people who do have compassion… Assuming you are town, don’t you want to be in the position where you are changing peoples minds on you? Need it be suspicious when they do? | ||
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Maybe? Like do you genuinely believe a highly active player flip flopping all over the place is particularly scummy? You know that’s the opposite of what mafia actually do, right? | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:04 Grackaroni wrote: TankTopTiger has replaced [UoN]Sentinel Oh yes, welcome. You got a lot of work to do | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:25 TankTopTiger wrote: Hi, I'm the sub for Sentinel. I'm caught up, but just pushed 1400 posts through my brain at top speed so don't expect me to be 100% on the ball. I'm going off vibes, so please feel free to correct me. I've played before, maybe 10 newbie games. I'm an IRL friend of DP. I've also played meatspace werewolf a fair amount. I haven't played forum mafia in close to a decade, and don't really plan on approaching the game the same way anyway. From what I see, there seems to be some mutual respect between Rayne, DP, and Marv. Almost like they are playing for who controls the endgame and the rest of you are just the social environment that facilitates it. Out of the three, I have no idea why people are acting like Marv is obviously town. He plays like an empty vessel. I'm obviously not part of whatever meta you guys have, but IMO MZ's aggression towards Marv has been warranted. I would have voted for Vivax over MZ, who I get a town read off. So I guess my first question is why Marv is just getting a free walk here? What makes everyone so certain he's town when for the most part he's not exerted any influence? IMO both Rayn and DP have provided insight, and in my eyes are earning their status, but not Marv. Regarding VE, they strike me as committed to a bit. I'm not sure why they had such insane confidence, but honestly, a lot of how you guys talk comes off as fake to me. Not exerted any influence? My target would have been lynched if not for some crazy EOD shenanigans and the fact i was asleep. How Much more influence do you want? | ||
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On May 25 2023 20:50 TankTopTiger wrote: Can you give me a time frame for when this vetting occurred? Because IMO that early nonsense where people push and pull based on nothing but farts means zero so establishing someone's alignment forevermore during that primordial soup is not a strong foundation for a town. RE: Contradiction It's not a contradiction. Having genuine reads is not the opposite of passivity. He asks a lot of questions (good), but then doesn't seem to take them anywhere in service to anything but his survival. I don't like fake reads, I think they muddy shit up. They're necessary to get the ball rolling, but once the ball is rolling I expect genuine reads not empty accusations. The ball is rolling and has been for a while, so IMO we don't need them. Again, to reiterate, confirmed town VIvax made the same case at almost the same time as me on MZ Seriously, think about it a bit. Vivax’s read is literally confirmed townie. Mine, made at the same time is …… ? Fill in the dots for me xx | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:15 die_meatbaby wrote: if you are town you will die in the first night for shure. Mafia are to scared of good players like you, so they make you die, because they know people would vote me out directly and so we lose 3 town people in D1 N1 and D2. If you don´t die in this night you are more likly to be mafia (for me) and people would vote on you on d2 I don’t think you will be voted out day 2. | ||
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Consider for a moment, friend, that I don’t know the alignment of our new person and I might like to try to get him to apply some critical thinking - or display that he refuses. The fact it’s all about me is a happy coincidence  | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:17 Koshi wrote: ... ... ... Can I please get shot so I can see marv defending himself against MZ, TTT and Mebaby while DP is cackling maniacally in the corner? Pls no | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:19 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't really remember your compelling case. Like I said I'm running off vibes. If I'm wrong, show me. From my perspective, you're being respected as some sort of veteran who people give concessions to and who people sheep onto when they can't figure shit out for themselves. But I don't care for that. I want to see your actions that justify you being treated as town. Was there some great post you did that buried MZ, or did you just ride your incumbency? So perhaps "influence" is the wrong word, what I'm after is the influencing actions. If you could highlight those for me I'd greatly appreciate it. Read my filter, it’s in my biggest post. Plus I talk about my read multiple times. If you can’t remember or find the posts that I’m talking about, that kinda invalidates everything you are shading towards me, doesn’t it? P.S influencing actions = I got my biggest townreads to vote with me on my wagon, only to be derailed last minute by madness. There is no semantic difference between “influence” and “influencing actions”, all we have is our words in our posts, and what comes of those. | ||
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How about you take your time and actually read my posts first, if you are actually suspicious of me, and we can have a sensible discussion. Or, you know, keep doing what you’re doing. | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:32 TankTopTiger wrote: Nah this is BS. Absence of evidence and all that. I'm asking you to substantiate your town status. You say you made a case but can't point to it. Now I have to remember or reread every single post or can't question you. Bullshit. Koshi says you were vetted but that's not what I remember. You say you made a case but that's not what I remember. I'm not reading it all again. There's an easy way to clear this up. I don't need it right now, we've got three days until next lynch. Do you have access to a computer in that time? Evidence is all in my filter. Literally everything I’ve done is completely available for you to see. Noting I have done is hidden from anyone. Jesus Christ. | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:35 marvellosity wrote: My evidence for everything I have done: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?user=marvellosity You’re welcome ^ | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:38 DarthPunk wrote: He follows that post I linked with heaps prodding about MZ reads etc. Basically, you can know this is the case because multiple people discussed sheeping marv, which means they were following his read and case, and that wouldn't be possible without Marv having made the case in the first place. Amen | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:55 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay so what I've got is that: Rayn made a meta-claim about MZ's behaviour. (what was this claim?) Marv slept on it and woke up agreeing with Rayn. Marv then built on this, saying the case was too clean/obvious, and doesn't look like he was trying to discern Marv's alignment. Everyone then sheeped Marv's compelling claim. Is this a fair summary of why everyone thinks Marv is town? It’s a fair summary of my case. What rayn said was that he did not remember MZ playing like this as town, that MZ tended to come across more ‘randomly’ to him (rayn) when MZ was town. That’s why it helped me click it into place with the clean stuff. | ||
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On May 25 2023 21:58 TankTopTiger wrote: Koshi, can you not think of a single reason why I would ask Marv to defend himself instead of asking the first-time player? To a newcomer, you people are acting in lockstep with no rhyme or reason. I don't understand, and I don't expect someone who is also new to the scene to understand. So I'm asking the people I most expect to be able to answer my questions. That would be the people who apparently have it all figured out. Can you please jump off Marv's lap if you're not going to help me? Thanks. It is cosy though, you’re welcome to hop on | ||
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On May 25 2023 22:06 TankTopTiger wrote: In retrospect, I should have got the sheep to spell out the case that they found so compelling. I'm not very good at this. I find this weak. It feels vague to me. But I am aware that there is a lot of local knowledge I lack and can't verify. So I'm backing off for now (proving you don't deserve to be confirmed town isn't proving you mafia). I don't like how Koshi is tripping over himself defending you, it's weird. ‘Weak’ but same argument as confirmed town. Just saying. | ||
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On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote: That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me. Putting aside the rest, I really invite you to look into the interactions between MZ and I. I would be surprised if you did not come to the conclusion that I was trying to get a better read on him and he was not doing the same thing. I’d just like to say something else here. As I’ve been forced to defend myself a bit here, it’s also made me take a more ‘certain’ line on MZ than I actually feel. Do I think he’s mafia? Yes I do. Do I think it’s 100% certain? No I really don’t. But I do think it’s a good case. | ||
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On May 25 2023 22:52 Alakaslam wrote: I became certain M_Z was town. I wasn't certain Vivax was. It was in order to save MZ. Clearly, I now have more than a little regret. Sucker for a little bit of emotion eh? | ||
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On May 25 2023 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think so. He voted for Vivax because of MZ made a good farewell post but the farewell post is actually really bad. I didn’t say I thought it was good. But I can get it. Do you think mafia Slam plays like that? Genuine question as I have no idea. | ||
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On May 25 2023 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sadly i think Chezinu is town UNLESS Meapak is town or the mafia team is exactly Meapak + Chezinu + Onegu. Onegu is voting off wagon and if onegu is town and meapak is mafia i highly doubt chezinu FIRST votes for Sentinel and only after that Vivax (Onegu voting for Meapak would have secured the lynch at any time -- so i doubt maf!chez would wait with his vote for that long anyways if town!onegu and maf!meapak). This makes sense to me | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind. Quite simple for VE. If he’s town he just genuinely believes what he believes and he’s pigheaded about it. Nothing out of character there. If he’s mafia he’s very brazenly just mislynching Vivax because he can. Also not out of character. DP much less obvious. | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:11 Koshi wrote: For me it was because MZ talked to him and his attacks/replies went from soft to hard. But now that I reread it, MZ then brushed it off saying VE wasn't a high priority and put him as null in his next list post. Thanks, so it isn’t something too nailed on then. I really could see a maf VE charging into save maf MZ by getting ppl to pile on Vivax while people are asleep. Don’t know if it’s likely, but it’s definitely plausible | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion? Yeah he’s cunning enough to say that. The thing with VE is he’s a smarter mafia player than town as he has all the info. And he has big balls so he’s willing to say stuff like that. I can’t read too much into it either way as I think he can say this as either alignment | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the problem i have with VE is that both me and marv said that Vivax would probably act JUST like he did as town and we both know that from own personal experience, and VE never considers that it could be the case that Vivax acts like that as town just because he himself wouldnt. Yes that’s what I was trying to get at multiple times yesterday, I don’t understand how it didn’t at least create doubt either. | ||
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On May 26 2023 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon?? It’s quite the interesting choice of target isn’t it. | ||
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On May 26 2023 05:04 die_meatbaby wrote: Sure you have you made the one post where you was writing Ogenu acting to strong to be town and Vivax is less paranoid than normal to be town... this post made change minds from other players. You didn't vote on V but this post got fucking important at this time. And you watched how people where voting for V after this instead of MZ. Is this really what happened or did people just go for VE’s passion in the thread at the time. Take responsibility for your own shit and your own vote people | ||
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On May 26 2023 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every time he leads a mislynch D1 he blames everyone in the other wagon. Seems fairly straightforward lol | ||
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On May 26 2023 05:05 Alakaslam wrote: I think you were gone too long. Might not have been? Holyflare likes to... misconstrue intent behind posts. Assigns a lot of motive. This particularly irks Rayn, and myself, among others (I think Koshi? I could be wrong) But while you are here. Is Kenpachi's rule ever a sensible thing these days? Why did he think the first person to attack him was mafia? Never really paid that much attention to all the weird policies and rules, it’s more like side show entertainment. Patterns are made and they are broken | ||
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Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter? And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?) | ||
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Why does that matter? I don’t need to try to define exactly where I stand rn, just that I’m unsure. The Koshi stuff during the night was all very weird, you made some big posts and a lot of reasons why he was being scummy but none of them made sense to me. In hindsight, how do you feel about those posts? PS going into work now (first reason for inactivity - 95% of the time I WFH but having a team day today) | ||
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On May 26 2023 17:36 DarthPunk wrote: In a work where mz was scum we would have a lot more information and progress in the game, the wagon was close and a scum! Mz would have probably revealed some truths about alignments. As it stands, mafia didn’t care about the lynch and therefore we have very Little information based on voting patterns Yes, that’s why I think we need to look at who really cared about their vote - ie did not know alignments. Did Chez, Onegu, LS? | ||
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On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him | ||
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On May 26 2023 19:56 DarthPunk wrote: This post felt really bad btw, the fake outrage at the top. I get that if he was invested in the game but I read his whole filter in 2 minutes and its clearly not the case. This screams disingenuous to me. I have to say I agree about the reaction at the top | ||
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On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote: I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him It could be, in the case DP is maf (this is entirely speculative) that they tested out what would happen if koshi got attacked and I stonewalled it and they made the decision then. Lots of ifs there though. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:02 marvellosity wrote: It could be, in the case DP is maf (this is entirely speculative) that they tested out what would happen if koshi got attacked and I stonewalled it and they made the decision then. Lots of ifs there though. Tbh - in the case DP is town too, it actually works with either | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing.. Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt. I think we know the bolded doesn’t do the same thing, people just ignore dead people all the time. Last paragraph is a very good point, I hadn’t considered that. | ||
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Or it could simply be they thought Koshi was the least lynchable - why Koshi over you as well? Simplest explanation is Koshi most right and therefore most dangerous? | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:19 DarthPunk wrote: Wifom pretty much. Koshi dying after that fight makes me look pretty bad. Or (again I understand this is still v speculative) do you as a mafia team think that town will think it’s unlikely you will hit Koshi when you are trying to attack and discredit him | ||
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Do we actually know VE’s opinion on people or was it just Vivax? I remember him saying MZ ‘townishesque’ but I can’t remember any of his other posts in last 24h. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Biggest point is he never wanted to figure out Meapak's alignemtn, which should be the first thing to do if you join this game N1. And it's a really big point. Yes it is. | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:41 DarthPunk wrote: Do you seriously want me to answer this? Because I can't Well, the fact you can’t answer it (nor should you) is what invalidates your point about it making you look bad. Anyway, VE? Thoughts? (Sorry if I missed a recent post) | ||
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On May 26 2023 20:45 DarthPunk wrote: It doesn't invalidate it; I do look bad. the fact that I am having conversations in which I am hypothetically in the mafia team proves as much. Rather you answered the VE bit | ||
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I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well. Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day | ||
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On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game? You know I haven’t looked at the game lol | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:00 Alakaslam wrote: Rayn I think Chezinu is softing a check of sorts that implicates 1gu Don’t we have parity cop? There is no info N1 | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: then why do you say it's a point to consider Well I remember the name so I assume someone can check it quite easily? I sort of assume people won’t lie about something verifiable (yes I’m aware we’ve had a big discussion with DMB regarding this this game, but still.) If/when I get to a pc tomorrow I’ll try search it out. PS I don’t disagree with any of your analysis, the question is if it makes him maf and not town being very weird. The fact you or I may do specific (and obvious) things when subbing in doesn’t mean everyone will do that - they are obvious to us but not necessarily to people not-us. And yes I am being kind | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Being kind is what loses games as town, or as mafia. I am not saying DP is lying, i am saying it is not necessarily the truth even if he know TTT the best irl. Lying or not. Meta fucks you up at times. And here we have actual reasons for suspecting him as mafia. Very much not giving him a pass either way so don’t worry | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: How are you on DP's responses this phase marv and Slam? Oddly I am out walking and I have just been thinking about exactly that. I would like to go back and reread at a better time for me though. First thought was that he generally held up quite well and stuck around for several pages with just me, you, him… can’t be that easy as mafia. Having said that DP is good enough to pull this off. I’m assuming the meta on TTT is fair enough but is almost NAI regardless of combinations of alignments. Something that stuck in my mind was how difficult it was to talk about VE and how quickly the conversation turned to something else. If I think about it another way - would I be more or less surprised if DP was suddenly flipped mafia right now than I was 24h ago? The dial on that hasn’t moved that much. What do you think? | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: From OTHERS point of view, noone else than DP has really put anything on LS. If he was easy mafia mislynch, why aren't they doing so (if DP is town)? Haven’t needed to yet - MZ and Vivax both town | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i am even entertaining to lynch LS just because if he flips mafia then i don't have to think about DP anymore. I don't think he is bussing. I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise? | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:37 marvellosity wrote: I don’t agree, if they are both maf I can absolutely see him bussing. Why do you think otherwise? You said you liked his LS read, best thing he’s done all game. Well that would be the case if it’s a bus, right? | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk why he should do that? Killing Koshi kind of works here, but like... DP started the bus (if that's what it is) when there was no real lynch candidate (aside from mebaby). I don't think it's the correct play there as mafia, since there is no way to predict where the thread sentiment for town ends up on. In that team though, DP might assess that LS is slipping and take the decision to start bussing early. Something I have done multiple times in scum games (when I used to win all the time) | ||
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No I’m saying if it’s a bus of course his push on LS is the one thing that looks good. See what I mean? | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like his D2 reaction to LS post is possible for being a bus. His D1 doubt and soft bus on LS is not really, in my eyes. Like i would not do that if i was mafia with LS. And that’s the counter argument. Just to be clear to everyone else, I am not looking to lynch anyone on this sort of conjecture. I am just trying to hash out what is plausible as a play. | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Isn't there, rayn? Isn't there? I seem to recall someone being able to predict where thread sentiment was heading YESTERDAY, when someone led the lynch from MZ to the DOCTOR, and I don't even have extra info. You think that someone with extra info would be unable to not only better sense thread sentiment, but be in a position to manipulate it? Like...I've been pretty townie on DP but clearing him because he tried tried to lynch someone "when there is no lynch candidate" feels.....again, like you're being intentionally obtuse. It feels like I'm playing with rayn ON HIS FIRST EVER GAME. AWWWWWWW NEWBIE RAYN!!!! What are you actually trying to say here? | ||
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On May 26 2023 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gimme a sec marv, gonna buy some beer real quick I’m gonna do some work. My promised day of inactivity hasn’t gone well | ||
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On May 27 2023 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote: That's mean, it was actually MARV'S townie MZ lynch. rayn just added his vote and authority to it. I'm about tired of being called bad for establishing myself as innocent and getting the person lynched who I thought was the most mafia. Yall can suck the BIGGEST dick. I haven’t called you bad. But you haven’t established yourself as innocent either. | ||
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On May 27 2023 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I keep going back to this because i can't understand why (especially) a newbie makes this post with having LS as town when at this point LS has both of her scumreads as town. Do you want to revisit DMB today rayn? | ||
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I sort of think with all the host stuff about not knowing how the setup works it’s borderline… um… “unbelievably unsportsmanlike” if DMB is not town | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I think you should be voting for Chezinu instead of me. That's my answer. You literally didn't have anything for me to respond to. Ahhhhh but why is Chez the best lynch out of everyone left I don’t like it! | ||
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On May 27 2023 08:26 TankTopTiger wrote: This is I think a place I can make my perspective clearer. I acknowledge that people respect you four, but that doesn't mean I respect your authority. I'm not here to fall in line, I don't see that as playing the game at all. So I can be aware of the influence you people have while being dismissive of accepting that influence myself. So basically, if you want to change my mind, it needs to be because of what you say, not who you are. In my mind it's actually insane how much people sheep considering that alignment is RNGed at the start of the game. I don’t want you to accept my authority (I really don’t), I just want you to see that I’m really trying to solve the game. And, even though I still don’t really know who I’m lynching tomorrow, if you read my filter I’d be super surprised that you don’t think I’m trying to figure out the game. I read and evaluate any case that’s made here. If you got a scorcher, I’m all ears | ||
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Vivax is a terrible day 1 lynch if his filter is okay, as if he is mafia bud filter is gonna quickly deteriorate. If VE is town, lynching Vivax D1 is a huge blunder. If VE is mafia, lynching Vivax day 1 is the only chance he’s gonna get… | ||
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On May 27 2023 09:43 TankTopTiger wrote: I don't think redDP hammers the vote D1 if redVE led it. When MB talked about the host assigning roles, people told them it was RNG. But Marv said it would be unsportsmanlike to make MB red. I work under the assumption that they use RNG, but then probably veto particularly unbalanced results. Is that a fair assessment? No that’s not what I said - what I said was DMB’s ignorance of the game mechanics makes her town, unless she is playing really dirty with that. Which I hope is not the case. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not? Knowing Meapak is town why does it matter if they are on the same wagon or not, they are equally "wrong" anyways. Agree | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, VE / LS / Onegu, thoughts? I mean sure why not. Although I expected Onegu, if mafia, to be here making more randomly aggressive posts? | ||
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On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote: Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw. Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way… Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn “Too many townreads” Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:34 marvellosity wrote: Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way… Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn “Too many townreads” Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information. I speak from experience - I’ve fallen into this trap as mafia. Srsly, how do you have too many townreads in this game? | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1? Like sure. But these are the questions. 1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2 It stinks to me | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Or it could be that the maf are good at appearing town and I was lost at that time. I don’t blame you for thinking this but it’s just not right. Anyway gotta get back to work No. Because so many people look suspicious to some extent, regardless of if they are mafia or town. This is not a game where a million people look townie. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why isn't mafia pushing LS if DP is mafia? Oh fuck i already realise this is a stupid question so i am just gonna leave it here lol... ❤️ | ||
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Just more people who don’t look “too townie” | ||
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On May 27 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote: VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case. For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days. Correct me if I’m wrong, but DP was nowhere near the hammer. | ||
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On May 27 2023 18:02 TankTopTiger wrote: I think it comes off as bad but I don't know LS. They have a lot of posts (on their acconut)but are those mafia game posts (I assume so). With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began. Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note. I like this | ||
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The little musing my brain does have available though, I still think what I said about DP was right. I’m struggling to reconcile how another town player who isn’t massively dissimilar to me has/had so many more townreads than me. Still don’t like VE either though so I don’t know what to do. | ||
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On May 28 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think VE is angry at wrong things and i think it makes him mafia. I think this might be right | ||
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I am going to as I don’t seem to be getting the interest I think I should be getting on my points on DP. Which has made me doubt my thoughts, but then I keep ending up thinking I’m right, so not letting that one go either. But I think VE is maf too so if that’s the wagon we’re getting I’m happy to go with you rayn ##vote: VE | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:27 DarthPunk wrote: im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up. I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely? I dont buy it | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:32 DarthPunk wrote: But honestly, I think I would have been called mafia whatever I did, If I stick with LS and VE flips Red, I am mafia because I was hard defending my scum buddy If I stick with LS and VE flips green, I have TMI and how could I town read VE here = must be mafia If I switch to RED VE from LS - Switched to fast and I was bussing. If I switch to Town VE from LS - Switched to fast I must have been trying to hammer a townie. So I really don't give a fuck anymore, and will just vote with Rayn and TTT because they both made sense on VE I read them as town and I clearly don't know wtf is going on anymore to end up in this situation as town. If I put money on it LS and VE are both scum and if any of them are town it is VE. Okay… You do realise none of that is why I think you’re mafia? The fact you are thinking about the options in terms of how it looks per each alignment is pretty telling. What I am looking for and thinking about is whether peoples thought processes are natural and make sense, not what makes me look bad or good depending on who is what alignment. | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think DP and LS could be teammates marv? In all honesty I haven’t concentrated on LS related stuff today. Are there reasons beyond your (possibly valid) one yesterday you talked to me about? | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:36 DarthPunk wrote: I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available. Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him. Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself) I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status. But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days. In a way it has been coming. And the reason it’s been coming? I didn’t have a reason to scumread you for quite a while, but I compare you to the two other high volume posters - rayn and Koshi. I got townreads on them very quickly (to the extent I was paranoid I was being mega duped) but with you - never far off null. Why did I feel that way? Then some things I don’t think make sense from a townie perspective - the town reads and the VE stuff here - and it just clicks to me you’re mafia I am, genuinely sorry if you are town and I am just mega tunnelling. But I just really, really don’t think so | ||
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On May 28 2023 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am awake until deadline so this is not going the other way. Your hours are crazy | ||
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Well, that’s what I thought you were implying. That’s how sure I feel on it anyway and I’d take that bet | ||
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If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1. Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it. | ||
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On May 28 2023 14:50 DarthPunk wrote: Why would you have to be wrong about me of Rayn were mafia?? Could we not be both mafia together?? Doesn’t make sense It just seems very unlikely. If you are maf together town already lost. | ||
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On May 28 2023 14:51 DarthPunk wrote: Like last night I was mafia and now maybe you were wrong and Rayn is mafia?? Because I don’t understand what rayn is doing with me. I thought we had been solving the game together for almost the whole game which is why I strong townread him. So I don’t get why he suddenly stops doing that to me when I wasn’t about to stop doing it to him. Not gonna discuss it too much as probs rayn dies tonight and then I just end up sad he started doubting me. | ||
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On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote: The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore. I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head. Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others. Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in). Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach. That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what. Vivax’s version of my reasons if if it helps y’all understand any better. | ||
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We can easily shit up the thread for however long we’re alive by being dickheads but ultimately that’s unlikely to help town either way (unless you are mafia of course ). Can we agree on that? | ||
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On May 28 2023 17:59 marvellosity wrote: Just to talk about something else briefly, rayn and whoever else saying we need to lynch LS is right, the reaction stuff is still unnatural and his interest in the game just fell off a cliff which wouldn’t happen if he were town. Also I guess this is why it could not be the fairy tale world where both rayn and DP are mafia. | ||
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On May 28 2023 18:13 DarthPunk wrote: Absolutely, I'm sorry if it feels like I haven't treated you with civility, that was not my intention. I love you regardless | ||
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The reason is DP and VE are not the same players. VE is in a league of his own - in brilliant, crazy, and bad ways. He doesn’t fit the mould of what a “normal” player thinks like. DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different. Frankly rayn’s suspicions have completely thrown me, because I can’t understand how or why he’d be suspicious of me, at all, when I strongly feel we’d been trying to figure out the game together for like 4 days now. So either rayn is mafia (which I don’t really believe for the reasons I’m shocked he’s suspicious of me) or I’m so wrong on DP that’s somehow made rayn suspicious of me. So it’s creating doubt on my read on you DP. Maybe (for example) your attacks on Koshi were just legitimate feelings, even though I could not see how anything you were saying could possibly make him mafia. Which is quite easy for me to fit into DP-scum narrative. But maybe you had crazy early strong townread on DMB, maybe you had “too many townreads” when I had about 2, maybe this happened because I don’t view the game in the same way as you do. Maybe. | ||
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It was this post (just had visions of you laughing at me in this way over and over which isn’t helpful) combined with your Koshi read. You haven’t actually been rude, I’m just being a snowflake. | ||
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I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it. Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have. How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you? | ||
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On May 28 2023 19:38 DarthPunk wrote: I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment. I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc. I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play. But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff. It’s all game stuff though, it’s just another definition of meta. | ||
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On May 28 2023 19:43 DarthPunk wrote: Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread? No. Explain to me like I am a toddler. | ||
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On May 28 2023 19:50 DarthPunk wrote: I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game. Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you? Because LS lynch becomes more and more obvious the longer the game goes on and hes not invested. Yesterday I didn’t need to think about him because I had 2 other strong mafia reads. Obviously if you are mafia as well as LS then he was bussing you, I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. How he treated VE, for example, was completely different. | ||
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Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality. | ||
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On May 28 2023 20:47 DarthPunk wrote: I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia. Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me. Why do you think his case was obvious? Are you for fucking real that one thing that might make someone mafia has to be applied the same to someone else? All mafia must be caught in the same way? Come on. I have been extremely clear why I think you are mafia and the reasons behind that. The fact they aren’t the same as for MZ is totally irrelevant. | ||
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On May 28 2023 21:09 TankTopTiger wrote: And the obvious part of it? If the case on you was obvious, then it was only obvious because you deserved a case on you? How does this make sense? That I’m asking a bunch of questions and had not made much of them yet. That was obvious because at that point that’s exactly what I was doing. But that doesn’t make me mafia and the case got no traction because no one else thought it did either… I’m basically being attacked here because my read on MZ was believable enough to get thread traction and MZ’s read on me wasn’t, which is absolutely wild. | ||
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On May 28 2023 21:30 TankTopTiger wrote: Why did redVE throw suspicion on Marv early on then leave it in the dust when he rightfully knew there was no way Marv was being lynched D1? He basically doesn't mention marv the rest of the game. Why the **** not? So people like you can make these nonsense connections later, perchance? | ||
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On May 28 2023 20:59 DarthPunk wrote: That’s not the point of that post, the point is that people play differently and that a person can make crafted posts and this is not a really strong reason to make him mafia and lead a wagon on him. In fact I think the reason you voted him/pushed him was to discredit him and use your thread presence to get him lynched, because he nailed you as mafia for the exact reasons he stated. No reason to engage with you further. You’re either mafia or incapable of understanding anything I’m saying. Either way there’s no point in continuing. Again my read was strong enough for all the confirmed townies and rayn to go along with it, so if the reasoning wasn’t good then why did those people all follow? Why did town Koshi shoot MZ? Because there seemed to be legit reasons to think he was mafia. End of story… | ||
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On May 28 2023 23:46 Chezinu wrote: I <3 u, Marv ❤️ | ||
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On May 29 2023 17:38 TankTopTiger wrote: Do mafia get to keep posting in the mafia discord after they've been lynched? For my own filter in ~36 hours | ||
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So, as I've already talked about, what rayn started doing towards me just demoralised me massively, and my last vote on DP I did genuinely intend to be my last post of the game. But I still want town to win, so these are my thoughts that you can take with you into day 4. After you lynch me you will need to lynch correctly twice in a row or mafia wins. Some stuff I am pretty sure about, some I'm not. die_meatbaby is town. Or at least if she is not town, the game is massively invalid in my eyes due to the ridiculous amount of setup nonsense that went on. My other supporting evidence is VE's post regarding this below. On May 27 2023 09:04 VisceraEyes wrote: This. Meat is town and we should just not fucking talk about it. VE is plenty good at faking emotion and all that sort of stuff as mafia. But this is not fake - this is a mafia-VE frustrated that the antics around that playerslot have essentially confirmed DMB as town. Do not lynch her, ever. Alakaslam I also think is town. Something that rayn pointed out is that MZ's goodbye post was actually kind of weak, so why did people believe it? One theory is that mafia know it's true and so have some sort of reaction to it. This is possible. But why would a mafia-Slam, knowing that both lynches on D1 are town, even need to engage with it? Why does a mafia-Slam, who is apparently hard-town reading marv (yes I've confirmed towned myself just to be gratuitous) paint a massive target on his back for going against his townreads and voting Vivax, when he could have just stayed on MZ no questions asked? It doesn't make much sense to me. After I wrote this I went back to read rayn's post, as I remembered he said Slam was town and I couldn't remember why. Turns out it's exactly the same reason, so if we've both come to that conclusion it's a fair stab that Slam is town. Chezinu - I have a hunch this guy is town, don't wanna talk about it really. TankTopTiger On May 29 2023 17:38 TankTopTiger wrote: Do mafia get to keep posting in the mafia discord after they've been lynched? On May 29 2023 21:54 TankTopTiger wrote: I was thinking about what happens if we lynch marv and he's red. I was worried about a situation where we'd have to hunt down one of the non-contributing players who is then being micro-managed by a skilled player which would be hard. Frankly I think these 2 posts are a bit outrageous to make if you are mafia (and tbh probably shouldn't be asking them in the thread if you're town). So for this reason alone he should be town. When I think about his gameplay it's basically a tunnel on me - well, fine. There's 2 options here: 1. him and DP are working completely in tandem as a mafia pair. Sounds crazy but not impossible. 2. DP has pocketed TTT and DP is riding off TTT's fervour. This is what I think is most likely. LightningStrike I really have nothing further to add than what rayn said, so I'm just gonna quote it. rayn wrote LS looks definitely worst in the bunch. Disconnected with the game, and while i have nothing really that says "this guy is definitely scum", i have also nothing that says this guy is definitely town. Everyone else looks just more town, that's it. I think you should always lynch LS the next day, it's just the most likely correct answer by poe and his disconnect with the game. Low volume poster or not, his posts still feel like no intention to solve. Just as an aside, if you are town and voting me you are ignoring the bolded bit. Although I would also tell you to ignore it, so I'm not actually trying to make much of a point here DarthPunk He is always mafia. I've talked about why before, but for the sake of completeness, I will summarise it here again. Firstly, he too easily gave out townreads for quite a portion of the game. This is a mistake I desperately have to try not to fall into every time I play scum, and I don't always succeed. The weird early hard townread of die_meatbaby, when the rest of the townies were a lot more cautious, or actively calling dmb mafia (e.g. Koshi). The point (night 1 I think? I forget slightly) where he posted that he simply had "too many townreads" at a point I had 2 good townreads (Koshi and rayn). This is not a natural way for a townie to be thinking about the game, townies are a paranoid people. Readers, if you are town, ask yourself if you ever had too many townreads in this game. Secondly, the turnaround on VE. DP made a really long post with about 20 quotes from VE and came to the conclusion that VE was most likely town. rayn makes a comment about VE's emotion (or lack of) and DP, after thinking so hard about VE's alignment, just flops the other way. Readers, if you are town - how easy is it for you to change your mind when you have just spent a lot of time thinking about someone's alignment? Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW". None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. 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On May 30 2023 03:20 DarthPunk wrote: Hey slam if I am lynched and flip town. Then what? Do you thi j you can lynch Marv without me and ttt in the game? ^ he plays on fear | ||
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Instead both LS and DP conspicuously don’t talk about the content at all. Fascinating! | ||
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On May 30 2023 04:35 DarthPunk wrote: You are amazing!!!! They are both confirmed mafia to me at this point, so either lynch is good, its just going to be really hard to lynch marv later, cause we only need one townie not on that wagon and we lose, and, as you saw, marv is really convincing. Really convincing because it’s genuine. That’s why you think it’s really convincing Town, are you seeing all this? Slam, LS is most likely just bussing to get a reaction from you. If you don’t see that then not a lot I can do. If DP and LS are mafia together I backed them into a corner and they need to make a plan, which probably isn’t LS hard defending DP. | ||
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On May 30 2023 09:41 DarthPunk wrote: This is correct but your not account for nightkill so we will lose another strong townie or correct townie or a townie that could become correct. It gets really bad which is why I thought we need to lynch Marv first while maf have a bit less influence. Than the obvious ls lynch after that. If you lynch me, when I flip town you need to lynch Marv and ls and all townies need to do this And Marv is really convincing so he could easily mindfuck one of them into voting idk like chez or meat baby or something. Sorry I don’t believe anything you’re saying. I said DMB is confirmed town and don’t lynch her, ever. if I am mafia, I am closing my team’s options to win the game down, not opening them up Town, go back read my big post. Even if you don’t agree with all the conclusions it’s a townie post as hell. And the reason for that is I’m town. I’ve seen some vague talk of meta, I’d be incredibly surprised if anyone found a post with content and tone such as that post. Because I can’t make them as mafia I can’t compete with DarthPunk’s thread presence, that much is obvious. Him being here to bully you into voting me isn’t townie, it’s just being here. Just to recap a couple of DP’s reactions today. 1. I vote DP and say it’s all been too much for me. No reaction from DP. As DP himself self-described, he is an emotional in the moment type player. if I am town and it looks like my main scumread is giving up, I am saying something about it. Anything! 2. He tries to use fear as reasoning on Slam as a reason not to vote for him. “How you gonna lynch marv without me and TTT?” He asks Slam. That is playing on fear. A couple of posts later he tries to excuse his fear blackmail (that’s what it is), saying he is “planning for when he dies and flips town”. That’s not how do you do it guys. What I did is how you do it. My reads are out there in the thread in the best way I could, that’s how you do it as a townie. mafia appeal to fear, not townies. | ||
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Don’t know where DP’s post is, but I’m answering that and not meatbaby. The reason a mafia “suicidally” tries to lynch marv is that means it’s lylo where town has to lynch correctly twice to win. That’s a good setup for mafia. As you tried to argue against me, anyone could be the target to get one of those mislynches. Even more plausibly for mafia DP as he has not cleared anyone as town like town-marv has. | ||
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On May 30 2023 16:51 TankTopTiger wrote: If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied. It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious. What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean? | ||
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On May 30 2023 17:00 marvellosity wrote: It is, but town still needs to get it right twice, even if 1 of them seems obvious. What I’m saying is if mafia-DP sees town-marv coming at him full pelt, a 1 for 1 swap for lynches there is a pretty decent result. See what I mean? Because to reiterate, I came for DP before he came for me…. Not many (any?) manage to pull off a 1 for 1 swap with me. | ||
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On May 30 2023 17:24 DarthPunk wrote: You weren’t coming at me full pelt though until I voted for you. You were hedging even night 2. And soft pushing since day 1. Looking forward to putting together these quotes later | ||
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On May 30 2023 17:31 DarthPunk wrote: Why not nk you and use my thread presence to not Insta die? Because then you’d have to deal with rayn who just saw me flip town | ||
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On May 30 2023 21:45 die_meatbaby wrote: QUOTE]On May 30 2023 08:56 TankTopTiger wrote: @Town I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player. So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please. Yeah you are right this lynch is the most important. If we lose another Town. We lose the game for sure. Marv and Dp are both strong players. They play this game for years maybe a decades. They know each other from old games. One of them is M. Def not both. DP and Marv are slightly "fighting" since D1 and trying to lynch each other or getting other players to lynch one of them. You came in to the game strong. Like very strong you where reading like 50 pages and made a unprejudiced and opjektive opinion on almost every person here. But for me it seemed like you had a strong townread on DP since you came here. Why? Why you get so hard on marv but ignores the point that DP could also just fake his emotions, that btw became stronger for the last 24 hours. I am not saying Marv is Town. No just seems like you have a to strong Townread for DB. [/QUOTE] Good post, critical thinking even when it must be quite difficult for a newbie at this stage with the big personalities battling it out. In addition to saying it earlier, do not ever lynch this slot | ||
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On May 30 2023 22:57 marvellosity wrote: Good post, critical thinking even when it must be quite difficult for a newbie at this stage with the big personalities battling it out. In addition to saying it earlier, do not ever lynch this slot Fixed | ||
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On May 30 2023 22:45 TankTopTiger wrote: If Marv is town, I still think there's a case on LS, but I'm willing to consider DP as well. I will have to take a step back and reconsider a lot. I would genuinely have no clue why DP would have done the things he's done, but I know he's a better player than me so it's always possible he's just that far ahead. I really doubt it though. Can you be super specific here for me and the thread please, TTT | ||
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On May 30 2023 23:02 die_meatbaby wrote: We are both inexperienced players here, although you have already played the same game on other platforms, as far as I have noticed. Don't you think Darth Punk wants to manipulate us? When you first suspected Marv, he logically got involved immediately. When I filter DP I notice that his emotions have become stronger since the voting contest between Marv and him started. As much as I would like to bury DP with whatever means possible, he would react with more emotion in that situation regardless of he is town or mafia | ||
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On May 30 2023 23:12 die_meatbaby wrote: From a purely psychological point of view, if I were mafia and there was a votecontest between me and a Town, I would try to look more emtional to get empathy points from Townies. However, if I were Town and I was about to get lymched, I wouldn't get so emtional into it because it just looks helpless and look for more facts about the other person and post it instead of beeing this emtional. It looks like he want to get empathy points from Town here. From experience I get much more violently emotional as town than as mafia (and I’m not he only one). And I know I should be wanting you to be suspicious of DP by any means possible, but I want it to be correct! The general reasoning is if you are town you know you are town so it’s really easy to get mad when people call you mafia because you know you’re not. If you’re mafia and someone is calling you mafia it’s harder to be genuinely angry, because, well, you actually are mafia. | ||
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On May 31 2023 01:43 die_meatbaby wrote: This is what I mean. Does this look like town for you guys? Random posts that nobody makes supect on him. True i am to clueless to get killed in the night. yeah fast together you act like peach Act stupid is always safe... Does not anybody else see this. Why are we just talking about M or DP Why we are not thinking of A and DP Or Marv and Chez and not just Marv and LS Why is nobody thinking of me and TTT. We just can not all agree that Marv is Mafia and when he flips Mafia that we vote on LS and then we won. Come on guys it would never be this easy. I think TTT is just stucking in a one way street and can´t turn around anymore. Lost the mind opening thoughts you had on the start If you read my posts I explain why you can’t be mafia. And why TTT probably isn’t. The fact you for some reason are really sure I’m mafia shouldn’t stop you reading my posts and understanding what’s true. You’re going to be in for a big surprise when you wake up in the morning. Have you actually evaluated my case on DP? Actually thought about what I wrote in my very lovely formatted post? That’s literally all I ask. Because for some reason town just hasn’t engaged with me on it. And it’s very frustrating. Can’t you see how genuine I am? Sad times. | ||
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It also means I've probably misplayed today badly as well, objectively the right thing to do was probably to lynch LS and I am being screamed at in the observer chat why I didn't do that. Well, unfortunately I did not do that, and I am way too far in to want to do that now (and probably couldn't even if I wanted to). So alas, here we are... On May 29 2023 23:33 marvellosity wrote: My final thoughts So, as I've already talked about, what rayn started doing towards me just demoralised me massively, and my last vote on DP I did genuinely intend to be my last post of the game. But I still want town to win, so these are my thoughts that you can take with you into day 4. After you lynch me you will need to lynch correctly twice in a row or mafia wins. Some stuff I am pretty sure about, some I'm not. die_meatbaby is town. Or at least if she is not town, the game is massively invalid in my eyes due to the ridiculous amount of setup nonsense that went on. My other supporting evidence is VE's post regarding this below. VE is plenty good at faking emotion and all that sort of stuff as mafia. But this is not fake - this is a mafia-VE frustrated that the antics around that playerslot have essentially confirmed DMB as town. Do not lynch her, ever. Alakaslam I also think is town. Something that rayn pointed out is that MZ's goodbye post was actually kind of weak, so why did people believe it? One theory is that mafia know it's true and so have some sort of reaction to it. This is possible. But why would a mafia-Slam, knowing that both lynches on D1 are town, even need to engage with it? Why does a mafia-Slam, who is apparently hard-town reading marv (yes I've confirmed towned myself just to be gratuitous) paint a massive target on his back for going against his townreads and voting Vivax, when he could have just stayed on MZ no questions asked? It doesn't make much sense to me. After I wrote this I went back to read rayn's post, as I remembered he said Slam was town and I couldn't remember why. Turns out it's exactly the same reason, so if we've both come to that conclusion it's a fair stab that Slam is town. Chezinu - I have a hunch this guy is town, don't wanna talk about it really. TankTopTiger Frankly I think these 2 posts are a bit outrageous to make if you are mafia (and tbh probably shouldn't be asking them in the thread if you're town). So for this reason alone he should be town. When I think about his gameplay it's basically a tunnel on me - well, fine. There's 2 options here: 1. him and DP are working completely in tandem as a mafia pair. Sounds crazy but not impossible. 2. DP has pocketed TTT and DP is riding off TTT's fervour. This is what I think is most likely. LightningStrike I really have nothing further to add than what rayn said, so I'm just gonna quote it. Just as an aside, if you are town and voting me you are ignoring the bolded bit. Although I would also tell you to ignore it, so I'm not actually trying to make much of a point here DarthPunk He is always mafia. I've talked about why before, but for the sake of completeness, I will summarise it here again. Firstly, he too easily gave out townreads for quite a portion of the game. This is a mistake I desperately have to try not to fall into every time I play scum, and I don't always succeed. The weird early hard townread of die_meatbaby, when the rest of the townies were a lot more cautious, or actively calling dmb mafia (e.g. Koshi). The point (night 1 I think? I forget slightly) where he posted that he simply had "too many townreads" at a point I had 2 good townreads (Koshi and rayn). This is not a natural way for a townie to be thinking about the game, townies are a paranoid people. Readers, if you are town, ask yourself if you ever had too many townreads in this game. Secondly, the turnaround on VE. DP made a really long post with about 20 quotes from VE and came to the conclusion that VE was most likely town. rayn makes a comment about VE's emotion (or lack of) and DP, after thinking so hard about VE's alignment, just flops the other way. Readers, if you are town - how easy is it for you to change your mind when you have just spent a lot of time thinking about someone's alignment? Also, please read again the passage of play where I start calling DP mafia. He was not calling me mafia before that. He tells me he knew my scumread on him was coming - he knew he'd misplayed. Tell you what, if I'm town in DP's position there, as far as I'm concerned I've just listened to a very likely townie (rayn) and voted for mafia (VE). I'd be feeling nervous (about the lynch to come) but happy. I wouldn't be feeling guilty - "I knew this read on me was coming". The inherent guilt of being mafia. Then the way he starts calling me mafia - "FWIW I think marv could be mafia". Of course he just happens to wait until I have called him mafia, and then very casually says "FWIW". None of anything of what DP has done is how a townie thinks. Lynch him with fire I will not defend myself any further - this is my position. I will take no questions from DP because he is mafia. TTT - if you are just going to take the position that I am mafia spewing bs, fine. But assuming you are town, please go back, read my thoughts here again as if they are legitimately townie, and think about them. If you don't believe me, fine. Lynch me and then come back to this post. Most of all the above is still right as far as I am concerned. Some slight differences: LightningStrike is more likely to be mafia than what I posted there, the sheep on me was real bad (would still take it )Alakaslam I think is a bit less likely to be town based on his posts today. I also thought more about the reasoning that both rayn and I gave, and the plausible alternative is that a mafia-Slam changed votes from MZ to Vivax because why the fuck not? I still think this is the less likely version, because at the time Vivax was lynched, mafia did not know a vigilante would shoot and flip MZ. Meaning Slam didn't know it would look okay on him that he made the switch to Vivax. I know and understand that part of the reason rayn was suspicious of me, and probably the rest of you too, was that I didn't talk much about LS day 2. And voted VE late or something like that. The whole of D2 (Friday evening and all of Saturday) was just bad timing for me irl-wise, there's nothing more to it than that. From my perspective, I thought I had identified a mafia (DP), and we were merrily lynching VE (mafia), there did not seem to be much reason to talk about LS, he wasn't running away. I'm not going to say anything else in my defence. DarthPunk Somewhere today he posted a whole bunch of rayn posts to show that I am supposed to be mafia (not very good at making a proper case against me himself). I just really want town to remember that it wasn't clear like that for rayn at the time he died either: On May 29 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know. PoE says LS is mafia and after that occam's razor says one of marv or DP is mafia. Don't get me wrong, just if i analyse both of them individually they look town, but there HAS TO BE third mafia in this game. Gun to head i would say marv over DP, but i am really not sure. Obviously what I am including here is that rayn is betting that I am more likely mafia, well fine. But it's certainly not that he died giving DP a big town-read either. And, from my own perspective, I have one big advantage that rayn does not have, which is I know my own alignment. Imagine me making that post that rayn made (in fact many of our reads are fairly similar). rayn came down to the conclusion that it was between me, LS, and DP. Now, if I am making that post myself - let's say all the other reads are the same, Slam, DMB, etc etc. I would be left with 3 players the mafia could be between - rayn, LS, and DP. Except I strongly believed all game that rayn was town. Which brings the 3 options that rayn gives down to 2 options, DP and LS. It shouldn't be surprising that I am hard scumreading DP then! I was going to write a lot more about DP in this post, but it turns out I don't want to. I tried my best but I lost a lot of confidence. Either I am right on DP and no-one believes me and I am in an oasis on my own. Or I am very wrong and I'm still on my own. Because maybe I can come up with alternative explanations for some of what he's done. Maybe somehow he can have inherent guilt as town. I still find it hard to believe for this post: On May 28 2023 07:48 DarthPunk wrote: FWIW I actually do think Marv could be mafia. This was his original reaction when I started pointing things out: On May 28 2023 07:27 DarthPunk wrote: im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up. Like he is literally admitting my scumread on him is valid. But then I look at some other posts and they're not so bad again. So never mind | ||
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So this is going to sound like a strange question from someone who played a million games and you played 1. What would you be doing in my position right now? | ||
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On May 31 2023 05:30 die_meatbaby wrote: As you sad you are the expierenced player. Whose idea was it to shoot Rayn that night? Why do you think he was shot at and not you, TTT or me? I mean everyone is pretty sure that TTT and I are town. Why not kill the people who probably won't be voted out? Rayn is a town leader and never getting lynched. I had suspicion on me, and you and TTT are less likely to rally town together to the correct answer. It was always rayn | ||
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On May 31 2023 05:56 DarthPunk wrote: Marv if we are both town, first of all we are bad, but who is the scum team? This is a genuine question I’m not trying to tunnel you here no matter the answer. Cause I also know I am town, and am using poe to end up on you and ls as the scum team. So who is it if I am town and you are?? I really don’t know. I’m 100% it’s not DMB. Slam and Chez you literally can never be too sure either way. But I haven’t spent the time I needed on any of TTT, Chez, Slam because I’ve been so sure on you. If you are town this is going to be a difficult thing to get your head around, do we call a truce today and lynch LS? I have bed relatively soon so I kinda need to decide what I’m doing. And I know I know I know asking someone who I’m apparently hard mafia reading if they want a truce is nuts. But LS is just mafia here. | ||
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On May 31 2023 05:43 die_meatbaby wrote: Was somebody thinking what if DP and marv both flips to town? Chez and Slam are just not really posting here. Less posts less suspect. Right now it seems like marv get voted out (could be mafia but let us see him as town) Marv flips town, 6 Players left 4 town 2 mafia chez, ttt , LS, Slam, DP and me. then there comes the night. They kill another town. 5 players left 3 town 2 mafia. we will of course all vote on dp. Like everybody all of us. Dp flips as town as well. 2 town 2 mafia Next night they kill another town player 1 town left 2 mafia We lose. This non aktiv players get the win. This is indeed the nightmare scenario. | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:17 DarthPunk wrote: The problem is that I know I am town, and after the nk you are just going to get me lynched somehow. The only thing is that I am ope. To the fact that ego, paranoia, and different approaches are resulting I. Town on town violence. Like I do Think you could pull this off as maf, But maybe that is ok, cause I think meat can solve the game off I flip she seems very sharp. But if you flip green game is lost cause I’ll be next imo. You literally have too much respect for me if you think I can make the posts I’ve made today as mafia. Do you want to lynch mafia LS or not? | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:20 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I know, I don’t know if you could do this as maf maybe you could I. 2013? that’s why I’m down to lynch ls I guess. And figure the rest out the next night. ##unvote: vote ls I know I’m asking you to do work here, but go back and read a couple of my games in my scum ‘hay day’ when I won almost every mafia game I played. If you genuinely think the tone and content is the same, I will be extremely surprised. Because I can’t fake this sincerity. I genuinely can’t promise I won’t still want to lynch you. And maybe you will still want to lynch me too. But if we are town, lynching LS is strictly the right play here. unvote and vote: LS | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:22 DarthPunk wrote: If you have duped me as I had you nailed gg I guess. If you’re town you’re being very grown up. If you’re mafia I’m not sure what you’re doing. So we’ll see | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote: Sorry for typos phone in bed. Formatting on anything not-a-computer is a fucking nightmare | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:26 DarthPunk wrote: If you think I would do this as mafia then you are also giving me too much credit. Full on promise, if I am alive tomorrow I will properly read (skim ) your filter from the perspective you are definitely town and see how it feels to me | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:30 DarthPunk wrote: I think we will I will get it over the line and then we will see what the night brings. I’m going to feel very stupid if you are maf but I’m not sure you turn this around like you have as maf. This is what I meant by grown up. I know ( I am just going on the assumption you are town for all future posts tonight so I don’t have to keep stating it) that deep in your stomach you are terrified you are letting me off the hook. So for today at least, thanks. | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:31 die_meatbaby wrote: can somebody get Chez, Slam and or TTT to read the last 3 pages and change votes?? Well, the lack of a change will speak volumes if/after I flip. | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:37 DarthPunk wrote: I do think meat needs a lesson in wifom but she is very strong for first timer. Yes and yes. Better than Vivax ❤️ Vivax | ||
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On May 31 2023 06:45 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I know. We should work together the next night and then see what the day brings. Deal. Sort of feels win win for me right now…. either you are maf and town talked me out of it and I can say I told you so Or you’re town and I’ve worked my way off a mega tunnel Both options make me feel pretty good | ||
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On May 31 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote: We just have to see if people afk lynch you are actually come back to the thread I guess. Well like I said it will speak volumes if so. | ||
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On May 31 2023 08:34 Chezinu wrote: TTT be saying Marv mafia since early filter. Hasn’t he just? | ||
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On May 31 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now. Are you serious? I thought we truced this shit till tomorrow. | ||
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On May 31 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: I really hope you can find scum and show me you are town today marv, because it is hard to believe right now. Like, from my perspective, how do you think I feel about you? | ||
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Well if this is your attitude now, then I don’t even look, I happily take the 1 to 1 trade with you. And if that loses town the game it’s your attitude right now that’s done it. | ||
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On May 31 2023 15:41 DarthPunk wrote: Presuming you are town, I'm not sure, I'd like to know because I don't know how you can think I have done any of this as mafia if you are town. Like I read LS filter, and I don't think he would bus me from pretty much the start of the game until now, I don't know why you would think I would Bus him from the start of the game until now, I don't know how you could think I would switch onto VE or off of you as Mafia if you were town. Like I'm putting it down to the tunnel but now that you are out of it (if town) then I want to think you think I am town, cause I can't see how you could think anything else. I mean you and LS can easily do that to each other. Has LS ever survived long as mafia? The play if LS is on your team is to bus him for cred, it just is. As you’ve done to others im sure as maf. Now obviously you not killing me makes it at least somewhat less likely you are mafia. But obvs my sincerity in general yesterday should make it less likely im mafia as well. So im very serious, if you’re just gonna snark at me I will end up getting lynched and my final will will be to lynch the shit out of you. Which im okay with. Are you? Assuming no, we gonna work together at all or you just gonna snipe me? | ||
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On May 31 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: I really don't understand this, I just saved you from getting lynched and lynched the Mafia I have been calling out all game. I thought you would be more open to a bit of a reset on our point of views. You’re the one demanding I do things like I’m mafia. I did not do that to you! Are you serious??? | ||
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On May 31 2023 15:35 marvellosity wrote: Why does TTT have zero doubts over my alignment? Like, for realsies? Why don’t I get to enjoy a mafia lynch this game Like I am not asking this for shits and giggles, I am asking so someone thinks about it. | ||
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Why not? Has LS’s opinion on anything made the blindest bit of difference to anything this game? PS I forgot to say, I really love you LS ❤️ | ||
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On May 31 2023 16:03 TankTopTiger wrote: Spit out your TMI case Marv. Say what you mean for once instead of trying to phrase your conclusions as questions. You are in no danger of NK, there is no need to wait until daylight. How does this even make sense | ||
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On May 31 2023 16:02 DarthPunk wrote: I'm trying to filter dive LS and VE and TTT. It's hard cause they don't really mention him much aside from calling him town in list posts, and im not sure if that is because he replaced in late, or something more. I think TTT gets tunnelled pretty easily and doesn't let go. Worse than I used to be back in the day even. The ironic thing is TTT has called me useless and bad all game if I’m town. Except we lynched 2 maf the last 2 days, and if he is town all he has done is tunnel a townie literally all game | ||
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As it feels an incredibly dirty thing to do as mafia. | ||
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On May 31 2023 16:03 TankTopTiger wrote: Spit out your TMI case Marv. Say what you mean for once instead of trying to phrase your conclusions as questions. You are in no danger of NK, there is no need to wait until daylight. Like seriously, if you think I have a TMI case it would be that you’re town. Unless me having more info and TMI would tell ,e you’re not town? Why don’t you consider that I can be another alignment? | ||
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Why don’t you just answer my question? Why don’t you consider I can be another alignment? | ||
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On May 31 2023 16:21 TankTopTiger wrote: With great satisfaction do I now tell you to go look in my filter for the many, many posts I've made detailing my suspicions of you. I’m aware of your suspicions, that wasn’t my question. Why don’t you consider I can be the other alignment? Everyone else is at least considering it. Why don’t you? From my pov yesterday I am utterly convinced it is DP and he has to die. But some further thought reveals if I’m wrong I a, dragging town to a likely doom and so I should at least pause and reconsider. Assuming you are town you need to consider the alternative. Because (gasp) what if you’re actually wrong? then what? | ||
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What do you do now in the game? | ||
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On May 31 2023 16:27 TankTopTiger wrote: Then I'm happy to be lynched, right after you ofc. You’re not worthy of a 1 to 1 swap. DP is. | ||
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Am I calling you mafia? I’m literally asking a question you just refuse to answer. Everyone knows you are sure I am mafia, we get it. So try just thinking in a different way for once. | ||
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On May 31 2023 17:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Nah I don't have the time for that. I was trying to keep summary notes early day 1 but gave it up pretty quick I read in a past game that you are self aware enough to know that you can tunnel town leaders and/or obvious townies. Does that not give you at least a bit of pause about your okay regarding me this game? If you know you are prone to a tunnel, have you considered backing out of your tunnel for just a minute to look at the game from another angle? | ||
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On May 31 2023 17:56 marvellosity wrote: Interesting thing I did find - you have played mafia before so you know very well that mafia cannot talk about game in private thread after they are lynched. So why did you ask that question in he thread? Riddle me this please. This is a 2 way conversation, or should be. | ||
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As an aside my mates played that Blood on the Clocktower game irl recently. I’ve never played mafia or something similar irl and that needs to happen. I believe your answer anyways | ||
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It’s in my filter already, this isn’t the first time I talked about it | ||
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On May 31 2023 03:23 marvellosity wrote: Right, this is going to be my last try. I am going to use my last big post as the basis for this one, below. It looks like I am 99% going to be lynched today, and the frustrating thing about that is ultimately if a townie gets lynched, it's on them for not being able to show the rest of town that they are town. So, sad times for me but I am at peace with it. What I'm still not at peace with is rayn falling off his townread on me. I never fell off my townread on him (he quoted a post in his 'vomit' goodbye post where it looks like I was calling him mafia because he started being suspicious of me - that wasn't the case at all, which I think should have been relatively clear by my terming it 'mega duped' by rayn - i.e. mega duped = i was hard townreading him. I just couldn't understand why when we'd been strong townreading each other that he'd stop. Because I got really convinced that DP was mafia? That seemed like a strange reason to stop hard townreading me). It also means I've probably misplayed today badly as well, objectively the right thing to do was probably to lynch LS and I am being screamed at in the observer chat why I didn't do that. Well, unfortunately I did not do that, and I am way too far in to want to do that now (and probably couldn't even if I wanted to). So alas, here we are... Most of all the above is still right as far as I am concerned. Some slight differences: LightningStrike is more likely to be mafia than what I posted there, the sheep on me was real bad (would still take it )Alakaslam I think is a bit less likely to be town based on his posts today. I also thought more about the reasoning that both rayn and I gave, and the plausible alternative is that a mafia-Slam changed votes from MZ to Vivax because why the fuck not? I still think this is the less likely version, because at the time Vivax was lynched, mafia did not know a vigilante would shoot and flip MZ. Meaning Slam didn't know it would look okay on him that he made the switch to Vivax. I know and understand that part of the reason rayn was suspicious of me, and probably the rest of you too, was that I didn't talk much about LS day 2. And voted VE late or something like that. The whole of D2 (Friday evening and all of Saturday) was just bad timing for me irl-wise, there's nothing more to it than that. From my perspective, I thought I had identified a mafia (DP), and we were merrily lynching VE (mafia), there did not seem to be much reason to talk about LS, he wasn't running away. I'm not going to say anything else in my defence. DarthPunk Somewhere today he posted a whole bunch of rayn posts to show that I am supposed to be mafia (not very good at making a proper case against me himself). I just really want town to remember that it wasn't clear like that for rayn at the time he died either: Obviously what I am including here is that rayn is betting that I am more likely mafia, well fine. But it's certainly not that he died giving DP a big town-read either. And, from my own perspective, I have one big advantage that rayn does not have, which is I know my own alignment. Imagine me making that post that rayn made (in fact many of our reads are fairly similar). rayn came down to the conclusion that it was between me, LS, and DP. Now, if I am making that post myself - let's say all the other reads are the same, Slam, DMB, etc etc. I would be left with 3 players the mafia could be between - rayn, LS, and DP. Except I strongly believed all game that rayn was town. Which brings the 3 options that rayn gives down to 2 options, DP and LS. It shouldn't be surprising that I am hard scumreading DP then! I was going to write a lot more about DP in this post, but it turns out I don't want to. I tried my best but I lost a lot of confidence. Either I am right on DP and no-one believes me and I am in an oasis on my own. Or I am very wrong and I'm still on my own. Because maybe I can come up with alternative explanations for some of what he's done. Maybe somehow he can have inherent guilt as town. I still find it hard to believe for this post: This was his original reaction when I started pointing things out: Like he is literally admitting my scumread on him is valid. But then I look at some other posts and they're not so bad again. So never mind | ||
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On May 30 2023 04:44 marvellosity wrote: LS, I will take it either way | ||
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On May 31 2023 20:12 TankTopTiger wrote: @Everybody If Marv flips green just fucking lynch me. Quote this post. A town TTT under no circumstance lives if Marv is mislynched. Just vote me no questions asked. It will be really hard for me to talk you out of that shit if you post this quote at me. The thing is, this whole day Marv just been spam posting and blatantly rewriting history trying to bury his Ls (and luckily for us, generating new ones). He knows that you guys aren't paying attention. Like... right now... He literally just lied about his day 3 vote (see post #2942 & #2945) and he expects you to not pick up on it. Read it please. He lied bigly. This is a killshot and you're not even listening. You’re the one that’s trying to rewrite history about my LS vote, I’ve been really straight forward with it. Mostly because it was amazingly uncomplicated. The only complicated thing was untunnelling from DP for long enough to actually make the vote. | ||
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On May 31 2023 20:09 die_meatbaby wrote: I would like to see the opinion from Slam and Chez here.. This is exactly what we need. We can’t play with almost no players left if 2 of them are not giving anything out. | ||
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On May 31 2023 20:07 die_meatbaby wrote: This night there getting Chez or Slam killed. If you kill Dp it would be to obvious for marv to kill him as Mafia. Marv wouldn't be that stupid and nobody of us would believe this shit anymore. If you kill me it's your direct way to death. If you kill Marv you wouldn't have the trust of the Town anymore because he flips Town. I would pray for one of Chez and slam to die. I think it will be you. | ||
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I don’t even care, it’s just boring not to be able to talk about the game with someone without them behaving as if they have rabies. | ||
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On May 31 2023 22:01 Alakaslam wrote: It seems you wrote it. Sorry marv but I can't help it. Will keep reading but I have to get ready for work too. Seems I wrote what? | ||
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On May 31 2023 22:05 Alakaslam wrote: But never lynching marv. I should like this but it makes me feel just the tiniest bit squirmy! | ||
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On May 31 2023 22:22 die_meatbaby wrote: If I get killed this night to me all favor and don't vote on marv or slam Pls What’s your reason for Slam townread? | ||
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On May 31 2023 22:49 die_meatbaby wrote: I have the felling that he is not red and not green. That’s not a very good reason. I had that feeling about someone else…. Cop is totally useless now I would say, but will talk about that not in night phase. | ||
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On May 28 2023 10:58 DarthPunk wrote: This is a massive wifom bomb if he flips red btw Just rereading the VE lynch after he claimed cop. I thought this too | ||
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On May 28 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote: By the way Rayn. Rember that podcast that we laughed about Marv not calling people mafia but smelly and stinky and shit. He has done that exact thing with me this game. And actually played very similarly. And I think Marv would be motivated to try hard with ve on his team. So I’m pretty sure he is mafia and have thought that for a bit. Excuse me young man, what happened here? I definitely hadn’t read this post before or if I did a red mist had descended and I missed this podcast comment | ||
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On May 29 2023 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Will do my best but it definitely felt like a lot of pressure though. Just read the nested quote from TTT while having a look at LS’s filter. So reasonable and nice to LS. Can I get some of that up in here please TTT? | ||
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I mean I'm sure he can say stuff like that as mafia. But it almost seems like he's quite interested in what's going on this game despite himself, which leans town. Difficult shit. | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:01 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah, I saw you set up the WIFOM for that, but I think it was a huge miscalculation on your part. Your case really got me DP. I was wondering when someone would make such an amazing case against me that it finally nailed me. Town-marv wouldn’t do this or that, how can I argue? Shall we have some fun this cycle before the inevitable endgame when I obviously will super duper flip mafia? | ||
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Slam is great at accidentally hard townreading a mafia but then hard switching to voting for that mafia, that’s a great skill to have as a townie. Wow! | ||
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Your role is useless, there will be a godfather and maybe a miller so your checks mean nothing. Claim now, don’t claim in lylo and force town to choose between 2 claims. CLAIM NOW. | ||
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No I’m just amazed at his skillzzzzz voting for the mafia (me, very clearly) | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:36 DarthPunk wrote: Your still planning to call me mafia then I suppose. What’s the point? You all caught the last mafia. And he funny thing is lylo will be DP, Slam, Chez. That’s gonna be epic. They will kill TTT because I kinda think he is obvious town. His ‘trap’ on me yesterday with LS was so straight up terrible and batshit crazy that it can only be tunnelled townie. DP, Slam and Chez. I repeat that for effect. I mean, except I am obviously flipping mafia so that won’t happen. But when it does! | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:39 DarthPunk wrote: Cop don’t claim yet. He’s just looking to not get fucked if he all in’s on you and you claim. Claim late day if it’s needed. Sorry explain to me hiw this works? It it s 100% the correct time to claim. Wtf am I going to do against a cop claim?! Do not wait until lylo to claim, claim today DP, if you think otherwise it’s gonna make you look real bad. | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote: I'm not saying wait til LYLO i'm saying wait til closer to the end of the phase. Why? How does that help anything? If I am mafia it is irrelevant when they claim. If I am town (obviously not, but humour me) it gives me a lot more time to process that information. Again, how does it hurt to claim as soon as humanly possible? | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: Who is they? It's obviously not me because you are talking to me? So obviously you aren't thinking of me as mafia. So, if you flip green, who is it? Any of you. Don’t care because I’m mafia, duh. | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:47 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway, don't listen to all of this. Marv is obv mafia at this point. Tell me where my cop logic is wrong. Because it isn’t, is it? | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:48 DarthPunk wrote: Because it prevents you from accurately determining your mislynch target out of chez and slam and not going all out for it and getting cucked by a cop claim afterwards. Dumbest thing I ever saw | ||
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On June 01 2023 15:50 DarthPunk wrote: I have to admit Marv, I am fucking impressed with your scum play here, like I have you caught, dead to rights, and you are still fighting and trying to find an angle out. If there were still mafia awards, I would campaign hard for you to get best mafia performance, even in a loss. In a fleeting moment, consider this you’re so impressed by my scumplay that I make all these big, sincere sounding, convincing (your word) posts. And today this is apparently trying (it’s not, I’m trolling). And I am tryharding so much I have a large filter. Yet I let my whole team get lynched 3 days in a row. Which is god damn awful play. I let LS make the most tragic vote on you yesterday. So, do you have too much respect, or too little respect? Can it be both? The mystery deepens. | ||
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But go on, for the lols. Wtf you gonna do in that hilarious lylo? | ||
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Or, maybe, play as if marv is confirmed town and do your best to talk about who might be mafia with him so you’re not totally clueless in lylo. I think accept the ez win though, don’t you? | ||
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On June 01 2023 16:05 DarthPunk wrote: I am really sad that it feels to me when we play, we end up inevitably at odds with each other. I wonder why that is the case? You were my coach in my first newbie after all. It's kind of sad. I have never felt like we were ever just town working together in a game. Well I tried very hard yesterday. But then it turns out I am mafia ;(;(;(;( | ||
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It can be any if the 3 of you. It can be Chez but it also can’t. It can be Slam for turning on me repeatedly despite saying he’d never lynch me. It can be you. But no need to worry. | ||
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On June 01 2023 16:09 DarthPunk wrote: Not that hard, you snapped pretty quickly, and I felt like I had to leave the thread to prevent shit just devolving again. What are you talking about | ||
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On June 01 2023 16:12 DarthPunk wrote: If it turns out you are town, then I will deal with it then. But I really don't think that is the case. ✌️ | ||
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I really want to troll for this whole cycle, and I probably will troll a lot for this cycle. But I still want to win, and this is where I stand. I can desperately try not to get lynched today, which is objectively the best play for town, in a vacuum. But if I pull off the impossible and don’t get the correct lynch, then I just get lynched in lylo and town loses anyway. So this is the play I’m making. I am voting for myself and everyone should keep their vote on me too. If you think I am being super sneaky, then please quote this post and keep your votes on me. DarthPunk, I don’t know how this has happened but I somehow suddenly think you’re the 2nd least likely mafia. If you are, then well played and fuck you to the rest of town that didn’t listen to me. But I can come up with the alternative argument for you being town, as time goes by and I think about it. Like I think about the VE switch in day 2 that didn’t feel natural to me. Well, first off rayn didn’t think it particularly unnatural. But then I also think about it I game terms, VE also had 3 votes at that time I think and was quite the likely lynch. Did a mafia DP really think his post concluding VE was town would convince a bunch of other townies VE was town? Or does it just make him look bad to people like me when he suddenly abandons that and votes with rayn? Maybe DP is just town and rethought after rayn made a good point. I really think TankTopTiger is town. Honestly go look at his LS trap on me yesterday. It would be one of the best mafia plays I’ve ever seen to so significantly misrepresent what I said and expect town to roll with it. The only sensible answer is that TTT is just a mega tunnelled townie who really genuinely thought he’d caught me in his ridiculous trap. Do not lynch this slot DP, this leaves a lylo of Chez and Slam that you’re part of, assuming you are town here. This is your only chance to use ke to help you get to the right answer. You need to use this opportunity if you are town. You said you wanted to work together in a game. This is your chance. The absolute best chance of town winning is if you work with me here To repeat - you must lynch me today or I will lose the game in lylo. Always lynch me. But work with me and help me help you solve the game. This offer goes out to anyone btw. | ||
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Slam: why does he keep hard townreading me then voting to lynch me Chez: and this may be important why does he keep soft pushing TTT’s slot? Read his filter (doesn’t take long) and there are a few instances of this. Why would mafia do it? Because after I’m done they still need one more mislynch. One of the reasons I am trying so hard to shut the TTT option down. Also, DP, you don’t have to keep saying I am mafia. I will happily assume that while we are talking about the game that you think I’m mafia. I’m at peace with it. | ||
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I pinged VE super early and we lynched him day 2 (not trying to claim credit btw) We lynched LS day 3 when we might have lynched another townie (definitely if me, probably if you) I got out of a tunnel in a way I’ve very rarely done (again relies on you being town) I established DMB as town, which essentially was my aim right from the start, to the extent she got shot N3. Im happy with my play even if you all think I look dreadful | ||
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But yes. The question to everyone really is - who is putting all their eggs in one (marv shaped) basket? They are more likely town. Who is keeping their options at least a bit open? I’m not saying it has to be Chez (not my job tbh) but he probably best fits that bill. | ||
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Be very wary of any blue claims in LYLO, plenty of blue roles and mafia can claim anything. TTT is super duper town, don't lynch him. His tunnel isn't a mafia one. Alakaslam is probably town, in the end there's a few good reasons I think. Honestly the mad switching on me seems townie. Great mafia play if it isn't anyway. Thought his reaction to my first big post d3 was townie. The MZ/Vivax switch D1 was nuts, again seems townie if it isn't next level mafia play. Just seems more likely town to me. DarthPunk, I wanted to read his filter to be happier about him, but time ran out on me. If he's mafia, fuck you the rest of town (love you all really). I think if DP is mafia - does he need to agree to lynch LS with me on D3? He could have just lynched me there and then, and ez life. Only way he's mafia there is if he calculates that staying on me when I'm suggesting to move to LS would look bad on him. Maybe he thought that, but seems more likely that you'd just keep the votes on me. Also sounds to me like he's been genuinely duped by VE's wifom in his case on me (to me it looks like a townie being duped rather than a mafia using something previously crumbed - again, it could be either but the first is more likely) That just leaves Chezinu. I don't really have reasons for him to be town. DP said something about spew in LS's filter and it vaguely rings a bell so he may have a point there. The dangling suspicions on TTT's slot feels scummy to me. So he's probably mafia. I am going to vote for him because I can't actually end the day voting myself, I want to vote for who I think is mafia. ##unvote & ##vote: Chezinu Good luck! | ||
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