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TankTopTiger
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On May 27 2023 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if i am right and rayn/marv/Slem/Chez/DMB/TTT are town and noone fucks up we win? Not trying to attack, but that's the biggest if I've ever seen, and winning doesn't necessarily follow from your personal reads. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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On May 27 2023 09:34 die_meatbaby wrote: I am not talking to V in RL about the game. Against the rules. Till now we are not talking about it till now and till the game ends or I am lynched or dead. I am not being influenced from him. Fair play only. I meant when he was describing the game etc. to you. DP has talked to me about the game before, and this included some bragging about all the BS he's pulled off. If I was a different sort of person, I might be inspired to think that pulling the biggest BS would be a fun way to approach the game and cause a lot of chaos. So I'm not saying he exerted influence over you during the game, just that he helped frame your understanding of what the game was like when he was selling you on the idea of it. But it doesn't matter, the question deadended. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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When MB talked about the host assigning roles, people told them it was RNG. But Marv said it would be unsportsmanlike to make MB red. I work under the assumption that they use RNG, but then probably veto particularly unbalanced results. Is that a fair assessment? | ||
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On May 27 2023 09:03 marvellosity wrote: I sort of think with all the host stuff about not knowing how the setup works it’s borderline… um… “unbelievably unsportsmanlike” if DMB is not town Sorry, what does this mean then? Unsportsmanlike RNG? I'm confused. | ||
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On May 27 2023 10:38 marvellosity wrote: Like sure. But these are the questions. 1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way 2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way 3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2 It stinks to me Regarding me, his read on me is well within what I expect from him. He is better than me at this, knows me very well, and as bad as I am at this game as town, I'm worse as scum. I wouldn't believe DP if he wasn't confident he could catch me given enough time. That's not to say I think this confirms him town, but this is not alignment indicative. I'll point out that the outcome of his empathy in this situation is us not currently at each other's throats over Marv vs. me anymore. Without that we were sort of holding each other to account for not playing the way each other does which a scummy DP would have no reason to help resolve. As for all his other town reads? I genuinely have no idea why he thinks half these people are town. But I don't think his read on me is part of that same pattern. FYI DP and I have played a lot of different games together, we probably know each other better than anyone else here does. We went to school together, lived together, worked together. He doesn't get to predict me 100%, but he definitely gets to feel like he could. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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On May 27 2023 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not? Knowing Meapak is town why does it matter if they are on the same wagon or not, they are equally "wrong" anyways. VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case. For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days. | ||
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I've basically been skipping all posts by LS, Ala, Chez and Onegu as they're either trolling, lurking, or have had very little influence for other reasons. I don't really see there being time for me to change my mind before next lynching, given the full day I have tomorrow. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began. Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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I don't really place any stock in vivax's read. I don't know vivax other than that as doctor he managed to die d1. I don't see LS as having so much internal logic you get to have strong reads on them. If you can show me that right now, you (DP) have the knowledge that actually LS is capable of being a proactive and productive town member, I'll listen. So show me a game where he had a large and productive filter that you were in (you being in it is important because otherwise it'll be post-hoc). If you don't have that knowledge currently, this feels kind of weird from you. | ||
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With players like I'm pigeonholing LS as, their variance is high. So that 10% scummer move is more like a 2-10% scummer move depending on the day. But with VE, he's just blatantly led a lynch D1, while being the sort of player who would do that as scum. He's had absolutely shocking posts where he confidently asserts dumb shit. He's tried to sheep at any chance he can. He hasn't shown any curiosity at all. He's about as red as someone can be, but nEvEr MiNd GuYs he's just crazy like that. No, he's scummy. And I'm sick of pretending he's not. Unless you know something I don't about VE, I don't really see how you can ignore this flagrant shittery. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching). You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction. I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed. | ||
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You missed that monstrous list he did D1, which IMO is almost enough to put someone in the gallows on its own. I agree with some of your reads on him (especially the one where he was empathetic about someone wanting to have a read on their partner, that was my interpretation too), but we see a lot of their filter differently. From what people say, VE is big balls player. IIRC Rayn or Marv cited him as having bragged that this is exactly the sort of thing he would do (brazenly lead a lynch on town D1). You call it a next-level play, and I guess it is in a way, but it's something that seems on the cards regardless. His outburst at rayn felt a little more genuine but again, over the top. Do people accuse others of gaslighting in anger frfr? Maybe I'm out of touch, but not quite convincing to me. It's also possible to be feel disrespected as mafia when trying to abuse the respect you don't receive. The sentiment is extremely relatable (Rayn and others pushing others to play the game the way they insist), but this could also be VE trying to appeal to existent townie frustrations. | ||
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I had made it really clear to DP that I wasn't even really considering LS for tonight because I was locked onto VE. He wants LS lynched so he was trying to downplay VE. | ||
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 Rayne, I think you need to put all your thoughts on paper because I don't think you see sunshine. Marv, now that I have permission to suspect you, can you explain to me what you meant by the clean/obvious part of your read on MZ's case on you. It didn't make sense to me but I let it go at the time because questioning you felt unproductive, but it's super important to me now. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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If it's some understanding I don't have, I need to understand it. I am definitely voting for you next unless I come to understand why these indicate MZ is scum. It doesn't have to be you who tells me, since, as this is some obvious scum tell, Rayn or DP should be able to explain it to me too. So please, anyone, tell me why a case being clean or obvious is a bad thing that indicates red alignment. | ||
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