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Being boring is my thing though... | ||
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On January 09 2021 00:04 Eversince wrote: The point is.. knowing the mafia team is broken. If Hapa had the audacity to do it this game is broken. I don't buy those things because trust you know. Which makes you scum or severely misinterpreted pm town. We will see. Just don't do what he wants then. In all likelihood he is just trolling us anyways. | ||
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Yes, that is what I mean with "we will see". | ||
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On January 09 2021 00:14 Eversince wrote: To be fair I'd think mafia would want it to happen but not point it out. I think it is in their best interest to make it happen. That would depend on WHAT exactly is happening though, right? I have 0 clue. Do you? Apart from this seemingly weird mechanic he activated Dandel Ion put a gigantic spotlight on himself. That is not someting most mafia players want to do. | ||
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On January 09 2021 00:23 Holyflare wrote: If it's their role mechanic why would they not? That is why I said apart from the mechanic. For this to make sense as mafia it needs to be a really scumfavored thing. Which I guess we will know come day1. | ||
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On January 09 2021 02:29 Eversince wrote: How are ANY of those options town?? Why are you just taking his word for what his role is doing? Just wait and don't stress this much. You seem actually upset. | ||
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On January 09 2021 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: i guess he needs a certain number of votes so his ability takes place? His ability has been confirmed. But it might get stronger the more people vote. That would be my bet. | ||
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What a coincidence :D | ||
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On January 09 2021 05:07 Alakaslam wrote: Any fish is too fish Yeah. | ||
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##ERP: Holyflare This seems poetically fitting. | ||
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What is the benefit of voting hapa in your opinion again? Kimonos for everyone? | ||
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On January 09 2021 21:48 Holyflare wrote: I'm town in both games so I don't really care but the role Dandel gave to me is better than the countless hapa roles I've been given which do basically nothing. Dandel is clearly the better host. Fair enough. I seriously doubt lynching hapa will make Dandel the host for the rest of the game though. I also doubt you actually think so. | ||
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Probably doesn't do anything since it is an ability of my new role. | ||
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On January 09 2021 23:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean I'm scum in the new game and don't want to vote hapa And what is that supposed to mean? Nice summon btw | ||
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On January 09 2021 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm increasingly of the belief that none of the new things Dandel did matter. At first I assumed that if we lynched Hapa it would stay this way which is why I started the vote with no lynch, but I doubt that's going to be the case honestly. It may just be his wincon and nothing else Or worst case a scum lynch misdirection/protection Yep. That's what I said. | ||
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On January 10 2021 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: It's vanilla scum So honestly, if this game could be bad enough that I keep this role on Dandel's whim, then I scum claim and don't want to be involved lol That is fine. I doubt you will have to keep it. You will probably revert back to the old mafia role with abilities. | ||
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On January 10 2021 00:43 Eversince wrote: Ah ok. WoS rolled scum in Dandels world. Which means absolutely nothing if the game reverts back. Except you know.. We lynch WoS. Who might turn out to be mafia. Question for me is what makes him mafia? If he was mafia before, rolled town, claim mafia, dies, flips town, game reverts, we killed a mafia and don't know it, you may or may not face a bus, so .... I'm really lost right now t.t. What is so complicated about that? The only thing that matters to me is the role he got from hapa. | ||
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On January 10 2021 01:10 Holyflare wrote: Easy then we vote hapa and when dandel becomes host we vote wave. Gg. Genius! | ||
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On January 10 2021 01:15 Eversince wrote: It's just scenarios.. My mind is only running on two cylinders. I need coffee in my life. It be suicide to lynch yourself as mafia but I might chance it for plot.. Personally I'm just waffling. He isn't lynching himself and he only claimed mafia in the Dandel world, which doesn't mean anything as far as I am concerned. | ||
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On January 10 2021 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Why haven't you and hf put your money where you mouths are then yet? Didn't I? | ||
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On January 10 2021 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Worth voting Vivax if we don't have a better option? The survivor didn't seem like a fake claim and his activity at this point is either scum or 3p probably I haven't put in much effort to look at anyone else yet Fair. But there are other measures we can take to solve this problem. ##Nuke Vivax | ||
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On January 10 2021 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Man everybody with all of these day abilities and I gotta wait till night for mine I try to start a bit of actual conversation and Jat just nukes and shuts down the point Everybody walking by and throwing passive sus on me What is my motivation here Well, see it as encouragement to talk about players that haven't claimed to be 3p. | ||
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On January 10 2021 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Sure. But I"ll be honest, all this information is making me confused and I have no idea who I should vote for My suggestion would be to look who is scummy and vote accordingly. Like in any other mafia game. | ||
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I get that. But it is likely just sealing your fate since that vote is basically the same as not voting at all and not a nolynch. Today we have plurality vote. | ||
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On January 10 2021 05:37 GlowingBear wrote: Alright. Did you already do that and reached a conclusion? As I've said before, Dandel is the person who I think is the most antitown, but can't be voted. Second one is Vivax, but he is being nuked. I think thread is very intimidating for town, so it's been hard to distinguish townies in this game. I am a bit suspicious of very straight forward people such as conversion. What do you think of him? Conversion could be anything. I would wait and see what happens with his nuke before trying to conclude anything. | ||
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On January 10 2021 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean I am pretty terrified with all of those votes on me Well terrified enough to vote out of self preservation apparently. I don't know the tiebreaker rules but my vote on you was the first legitimate vote cast in this day phase. So... | ||
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##Vote: WaveOfShadow | ||
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On January 10 2021 07:14 Holyflare wrote: GB is mafia btw really obvious Yeah, not unlikely I'd say. His appearance today was not very inspiring. | ||
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On January 10 2021 12:01 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I'm voting Vivax. What makes you think he will be alive when the lynch happens? Is there anyone who is actually reading this game? | ||
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On January 10 2021 19:23 Tictock wrote: I enguaged Dandel's thing too and am now not wanting to pursue it to completion. So does that also make me mafia? I don't think wanting to see what something will do but changing your mind when you get a glimpse of what it is, is alignment indicative. I doubt any of the Dandel "mafia" would want to claim when everyone seems to be jumping on Wave for doing just that. Wave is not mafia for having rolled mafia in dandels game. | ||
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On January 10 2021 19:33 Tictock wrote: Why is he mafia then? That is the main thing I got that people were pushing him for. Well I am not. And if you had read HFs posts you would know he isn't either. Waves reversal on the Dandel thing makes no sense he isn't really doing anything and got ultra defensive for no reason. And the biggest offense of them all of course: On January 09 2021 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah that's true. ##Swap: Justanothertownie, WaveofShadow | ||
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I don't think it is scummy, just weird. | ||
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On January 10 2021 20:07 Tictock wrote: He said he was giving up on the game due to the nuke. So assume it's an acceptance vote. Though with one nuke having been a dud... Did his "not-sober" post tell you anything? Nothing new. It reinforced my previous thoughts on him. Namely that he probably is what he is claiming to be. | ||
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On January 10 2021 20:21 Tictock wrote: Jat, I don't get the swap thing? Can you explain it to me like I am an overgrown man-boy who's body is determined to not let sleep for more than 4 hours at a time? He thought he was getting nuked and tried to redirect it to me. Unforgivable tbh. | ||
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On January 10 2021 20:34 Tictock wrote: Not hard to figure out actually, I have faith in you big boy. Ok, let's ignore conversion. Why HF? Because he is pushing Dandels agenda? Last time I checked he voted Wave. Because you distrust him? HF should be distrusted in every game of mafia ever but that is not a very compelling reason to me. | ||
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On January 10 2021 21:09 Tictock wrote: I did say, maybe, and in a bit. As far as I recall I am the only person to actively challenge this read as well. Not sure who you are reffering to who "refused to vote him" Conversion is the read I prefer to focus on. Do you have a read on him since you didn't like mine? I should prob try and get a little more sleep soon though so I am fresh for EoD. I dislike how fractured voting is, but at least we are on plurality lynch. Almost everyone was here since the "wagon" started. Nobody piled on. Examples off the top of my head: Slam, Obi, Shockey, conversion, GB, you. Vivax if you count him. GB made a point of not joining. You also did. Slam claimed he could not switch his vote. Conversion could be mafia but so far he has not done anything that makes me believe he is. Like I said - I like the fake nuke on yamato. That is a very pro town move in my book. | ||
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On January 10 2021 21:56 Tictock wrote: @JAT You seem to assume Conversion knew he was launching a fake Nuke at Yam, which is possible, but rereading that part of the game it seems like he was reacting more emotionally. I have a hard time going down the thought line that that was all an act to setup a believable fake Nuke. Otherwise I see what you are getting at, Yes, that is what I am assuming. Of course if he did not know it would fail it would be quite scummy. | ||
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On January 10 2021 23:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok I just saw Basically no good reasoning up until this point, then a few half assed reasons with what seems to be pre-confirmation bias after the fact now that people are questioning it. The trolly fake swap? Really? Lol At least Jat you have been engaging.HF and yamato who are on the wagon with you refuse to acknowledge anything I've said, though I suppose if you get the wagon you want you don't care who's on it I freely admit that there is not a lot of reasoning (though you need to explain this weird backpaddling on dandel). Which is your chance to give me something better. So far I am happy with my vote. | ||
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On January 10 2021 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I will gladly be the only one on this obi wagon and swing from a tree with a shit-eating grin on my face if I'm right Holy shit OK, cool. Why is obi mafia? | ||
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On January 11 2021 00:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you legit calling everyone who didn't vote for me scum? Go home. Engaging the actual points would help you more than this. HF even did your job for you by attacking obi and you act like this. Do you want to kill obi or do you just want to survive? | ||
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On January 11 2021 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote: You are the worst. I love you but, just the worst. Lynch me or don't. I've found scum and was happy again with this game until you came back Putting down my phone How exactly have you found scum? | ||
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On January 11 2021 00:29 Holyflare wrote: GB - refused to join wave wagon, cited bs reasons for "oh town can totally do that" without even knowing anything about what wave said Tictock - refused to join wave wagon, cited that he felt the same as wave for wanting to see what Dandel's thing did and not really wanting to follow through with it: Seems to simultaneously think dandel's thing has to reach some kind of completion but also that people that rolled mafia in dandel's thing won't want to claim because they'll get called scummy. Either he believes Dandel's new game can happen or he doesn't, there's a missing piece of logic here where it looks like Tictock jumps through hoops to assume too many things. Obi - possible worst offender of them all: Wants to default to a 3P wagon or no lynch instead of actively searching to call anyone mafia, thinks that doing nothing will revert the game back to how it was. Seemingly reeks of TMI about Dandel's alignment and then even displays it: He even interjects between myself/GB saying he doesn't understand the argument because "the situation resolves itself" which it doesn't because my argument is that Wave is probably mafia from the night before, which Obi even acknowledges here: Obi seems to know that Conversion's nukes are fake which imo means that he knows: 1) Yamato is town 2) Conversion is also town I think it's a bit of a stretch to go from seeing a nuke in the thread and assuming it's fake UNLESS you know the alignment of both of those players and use that logic to leap to "why would a townie nuke another townie pointlessly like that unless it's fake" I don't think I fully understand the Obi TMI point. Why would a mafia player assume a townie would not nuke a townie? I mean the townies don't know who is on their team. Good post otherwise btw. | ||
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I just didn't want Wave to be able to hide behind a claimed 3p. I also still think we should not lynch Vivax since his claim seemed genuine to me. If we are ever in doubt we can still kill him and if there are actual town KP he also wouldn't be a terrible shot but for now he is not a priority to me. | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt. Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did. At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.' Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip. I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically. There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything., I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol Why would anyone ever assume all people who dandel made scum had to have been town earlier? | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If you think that today isn't real why would you have any hard stances on anyone? Literally all of today is pointless outside of n0. -.- Today is very much real. You just have to ignore dandels shennanigans. What is so complicated about this? | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Sure that doesn't have to be the conclusion, but why specifically single me out there? If I scumclaim and am scum n0, why does that make a difference if he believes the new state to be real? And if he doesn't believe ti to be real, isn't it a good thing if he's town? Well, he obviously thought the game might stay that way. That would be my guess. | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: But people aren't doing that. I guess you can just make the assumption that people are going to play as scum even if they're town this time but I kind of don't really see what the point of that would be? I feel like they would still be pushing some sort of agenda regardless but that just kind of isn't really happening at all. How do you know it isn't happening? | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah I've mostly been hedging my bets here and just kinda hoping everything goes back to normal since this game just huffs nards otherwise. This should be the default position unless we lynch Hapa. How anyone can think otherwise I do not know. | ||
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On January 11 2021 03:33 Holyflare wrote: "I hope this isn't real because if wave is scum this game is going to suck." Why is that a slip? Either it's a typo or he hates you personally and thinks you're bad at mafia. If he's mafia n0 and turns to mafia day 1 why would the game suddenly suck if you're now mafia with him? It isn't a slip. The question for me right now is if Wave seriously believed this. Because this is all he gave us and I am not sure if I want to give him a pass for it. Seems kinda cheap. | ||
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On January 11 2021 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Dude doesn't care what's happening. Apparently he is not alone... | ||
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On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: ##vote Dandel Ion You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes? | ||
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On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yes, but why does he count others and not mine? Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone? | ||
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On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading? I am reading. I just don't like what I am seeing. Dandel could ignore you because it pleases him to see you angry. Who knows. But you don't seem to care one bit about this lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2021 04:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Cause I don’t think GB is mafia. I think there’s at least one mafia on GB. Ok, we are making progress. Why is GB not mafia and who is the mafia on his wagon? | ||
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Great. Was beginning to have doubts about that. | ||
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On January 11 2021 05:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: LMFAO?? What does this even mean?... I knew GB wasn’t mafia, you’re the first to vote for him, then claim I’m mafia. You must be mafia with conversion. Yes, but that you knew that is not necessarily a point in your favor. Quite the opposite actually. Unless GBs meta really changed since I stopped playing. | ||
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On January 11 2021 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I wanna shoot somebodyyy Something very weird happened here though. Dandel is the one who created our QT and called it the mafia QT. Surely it's Gb who made it though no? Or Dandel corrupted it somehow? We were definitely not told any of the info in GBs role pm That makes 0 sense. | ||
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On January 11 2021 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Well it's exactly as I said. Either its a big coincidence and GB didn't make our QT and Dandel used his role to do something Or GB made it and Dandel obscured info from us Either of my qt mates can confirm Well did Dandel send the qt? Then it is probably not from GB. | ||
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On January 11 2021 11:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: I still dont like Dandel, his ability did nothing for the thread other than get a townie lynched. His ability had absolutely nothing to do with the lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2021 14:46 Tictock wrote: I too do not know why this was so hard, but you also thought my in thread vote on HF was somehow real so he got you too. I do not check the voting thread every time someone votes in thread... come on. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote: To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it. On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch. The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak. The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p Well, removing yourself from the lynch is one thing. Forcing a mislynch is something different. His ability was at most disruptive. But that is more people fault than Dandels in my opinion. On January 11 2021 16:28 Tictock wrote: I think if Dandel is in fact scum it would make a lot of sense for him to make a scum QT with 2 town and 1 mafia. If Dandel is town or 3P though it would be either just whatever names he picked it straight RNG. I suppose he might RNG as scum too but more likely he tries to plant a teammate. If that is the case Obi is more likely since he was the only one of us to not want to let the game know he was "scum" I mean, I didn't claim it like Wave but literally the first thing I did was hint at it pretty strongly. Someone (might have been wave) already figured out that Dandel did not have to put any scummates in there since he probably could read the qt himself. In essence I do not think all of this makes Dandel mafia at all. We should wait and see what he contributes now that he is back and judge accordingly. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:04 yamato77 wrote: To explain my thoughts on JAT in more detail: He seems to be falling in line with thread sentiment a lot without much of his own apparent thought process. His post-sheep work justifying a vote on Wave is unconvincing in particular. His lack of reasoning behind a GB vote is even more frustrating. I see him cite meta reasons at one point, a point of contention that I did not think was a driving factor behind the case on GB. Right now my top 3 scumreads are Shockey, TickTock, and JAT, and the common denominator to me is how they acted around the GB vote. Shockey's voting makes no sense if he's town, and Ticktock/JAT sheeped a bit too willingly for my tastes. What do you mean post-sheep? I was the first vote on Wave. It is sad that you forgot how I play that much btw. Very decent posts otherwise. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:13 yamato77 wrote: I also really, strongly dislike this line of reasoning. I said exactly why I believe otherwise already, and this reads like a fabricated reason to townread someone that you already know is town. I also believe he doesn't elaborate much on this point. Why is fakenuking me at that point in the game a pro-town move? If anything it sidetracked me at a point in time where I was actually interested in the game. Later he posts this: I agree in principle with his reasoning for faking a nuke on Vivax but I disagree with its equivalence to faking a nuke on me. I think JAT obviously had a similar role (maybe a copycat role, even, but that is idle speculation) and used his in a way he believes is pro town, but I do not think that he could really think that Conversion's nuke on me was pro town, especially given that he said it was a bad nuke if it was real. The difference is not that large in effect. It is though. Yamato we both know you sometimes need a little incitement to actually play the game. That is why fake nuking you is a pro town move in my book while actually nuking you would have been terrible. Now this by itself certainly doesn't make conversion town but in a vacuum it is a good thing. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:18 Eversince wrote: [/b]Wait. 'Scum mates' Expressly say what you mean by that. What do you want me to explain exactly? TT was theorising that mafia!Dandel would put another mafia player in the new scum team to "infiltrate" it. Which is obviously unnecessary when Dandel can read it himself perfectly fine. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:22 Eversince wrote: I promise Yam I'll go through your post but I'm about to drop over the dog and promptly drool all over him in a few. Read them. They are really good posts. Echoing a lot of what I already said in this game and then concluding that I am mafia, which is kind of frustrating I have to say, but yamato looks good right now. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:49 Eversince wrote: [/b]So He'd just put random in? And bear with me because my brain is wet noodles. That makes Dandel scum? IF he is 3p tried to lynch Hapa out to win, done ????? Since? Hum? What makes him mafia? And after that point we're back to.. Three people were privy to these conversations. Why not all of town? Unless you have an agenda *wink wink* It doesn't make him anything that is the entire point. He probably legitimately rnged it regardless of his own alignment. At least that is my guess. Now that I remember he put the guys voting for him in there so maybe it isn't that much rng after all. Whatever, it isn't really productive to talk about it. | ||
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On January 11 2021 17:55 Eversince wrote: except 3 people who may or may not have been mafia, became mafia. Every single player in the game without a way to validate their previous role in limbo. Yep. Totes harmless. If you had listened to me and ignored it it would have been completely harmless. Yep. | ||
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On January 11 2021 18:07 Tictock wrote: Like Dandel's alignment is totally up in the air, I could see him being anything right now But the actual way his shit works is super fucking clear to me, I don't get why nobody else sees it. Wtf man | ||
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Exactly. Dandel is clearly having fun with this. We can also turn this argument around and ask ourselves "why would dandel compromise himself like this for no apparent benefit as mafia?" | ||
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On January 11 2021 18:31 Eversince wrote: Answer: he's 3p or trolling. Either option is not town. Name one thing he's done, in this entire game, that benefit town? Nothing. Unless you count improving my mood with his flavor. Notice how I wasn't arguing that he is town. | ||
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On January 11 2021 18:44 Tictock wrote: This is from Yam's wall and I think about me. I don't think I've done this but I could see my posting style look like this. I've gotten into arguments due to my style before. I just like to respond to posts as I'm reading and when I am behind significantly it sometimes looks like I am ignoring important things or reiterating because I simply haven't read that stuff yet. I could try to tone it down and post less but it's just how I interact with the game. I am also a big believer in asking questions to encourage thinking. My life philosophy is actually that life is not about finding answers but about asking better questions. Otherwise great wall, 9/10 would scale again. There are quite few nice smaller tidbits. The thing I disagree in the wall is his focus on the lynch wagon. In my opinion there doesn't HAVE to be any mafia on the GB wagon. Especially not in its creation. Unless of course Wave is mafia but yamato does not seem to think that. Wave was being there and trying to do stuff in his own way. I don't think it was very convincing at its core but it made me not want to lynch him enough that GB who absolutely didn't care about the game and knowingly wasted his vote seemed like a better alternative. If yamato is trying to sell that GB should have been obvious town or anything like that then I call bs. I think mafia did not care about the lynch at all. That is at least how it seems to me with this many people content on putting there votes somewhere irrelevant. The people on GB at least tried to play the game. The big caveat to this would be if Wave is mafia. In that case we need to look closer into HF at the very least. | ||
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How about before that. You even admit he could be 3p as well - let us assume this for a moment. Who is mafia? | ||
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On January 11 2021 19:23 Eversince wrote: I can't sus that out to much. I've only skimmed like 30+ pages. So the popular options of other people will be something I filter after the sleep I promise I give myself hours ago. Then I suggest you follow through with sleeping. | ||
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On January 11 2021 21:53 Holyflare wrote: I mean, you didn't explain that. We could have all magically started voting hapa and confirmed you mafia and you ruined a potential game for two other people. So, there's that. I don't see what me taking people off you to vote GB has anything to do with it. You're also being very granular, this is nothing to do with you. It's Shockey that's asking me a question and you should be grilling him for potentially your alignment and chainsaw defending you (as well as already doing that for GB). Why is he even aggrevated that we voted GB? Ok, I am not following entirely. Why would Wave only out this as mafia again? I mean he would be ruining the game as either alignment if Dandel kept being the host, right? That aside GB was a decent lynch with the information we had. People who claim that he wasn't are either talking out of their ass or have more information than I do. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:08 Holyflare wrote: If Wave is town, he has no idea whatsoever what is happening, he's just been potentially made mafia. Then he randomly decides to out his QT that could become true and ruin the game. Very big gamble to just assume that Dandel's thing will likely not happen, no? If Wave is mafia and Dandel is mafia, then Wave knows that he has nothing to worry about and can freely out his QT people, himself and whatever with no consequences of being modkilled or ruining the game (kind of the scenario I'm toying with the most here) If Wave is mafia and Dandel is town/3P then Wave takes a gamble that this power either comes into fruition in which case he's still mafia or it doesn't happen, in which case he gets credit for outing that he's "mafia". Why would wave gamble the entire game on a guess instead of waiting and seeing what happens? The likeliest scenario is that Wave knew what happens with the power and adjusted accordingly. I don't think he's a dick and I really don't think he'd chance ruining the game on the off chance that Dandel's power didn't happen. Even if he thought we'd have to eliminate Hapa for Dandel to come into power then he's STILL ruining the game potentially if we did vote hapa. So, it makes me think the way more likely scenario is that Dandel and Wave are either mafia together and Wave knew what was going to happen or that Wave is mafia and knew that the power wouldn't fundamentally alter the game and maybe he'd get a little credit for outing himself as "mafia". Ok, I get it now. Seems plausible but it really hinges on how much Wave believes Dandel if he is town. If I was in his shoes I think I also might have outed the new scum team to be honest. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:33 yamato77 wrote: I mean, it looked like exactly what I said it was all along, and lo and behold I was right. There's a world where Wave began the day thinking not lynching Hapa was super important to make him not mafia and then realized that Dandel's game was a farce and decided to claim scum in it after telling his "scum buddies". None of that means he isn't town. It does not require one to have extra knowledge to make this play. It's not a good case. I agree in general. But why would it be super important not to be made mafia if he likes playing mafia? Isn't that quite contradictory? | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think we should be talking about me though I'll look into... Who, shockey? At work today so will be sporadic We should absolutely be talking about you. If you are mafia then the lynch yesterday is a lot more important than if you are town. Your alignment is a crucial piece of the puzzle. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:41 yamato77 wrote: I agree this discussion feels like we're still talking about Dandel's role and I really want that thread of discussion to die immediately. Shockey is absolutely mafia. The best thing would be if HFs thing is real and shockey gets vigged. Otherwise he is definitely on the table for lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:48 yamato77 wrote: I think JAT is trying to associate between you and HF for how the lynch played out Yeah, why wouldn't I? If Wave is scum there is a clear motivation in switching to GB. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote: That's fair but also immediately obvious. I guess a gamble HF would make if we were both scum but imo only if. Again from my perspective it makes him most likely town because switching from a higher value target to GB for seemingly no reason and drawing attention to himself on the flip seems like bad play. Well, sometimes stuff is just immediately obvious. You are in a unique position - if you are town you are at an advantage compared to the rest of us. That is why it is important to talk about you and for you to keep playing the game if you are. That's all I was saying. | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:57 yamato77 wrote: Yeah I have a flimsy townread on him because of his secondary reads post. There's also the fact that he's one of the more central figures in the game and thus much less likely to be mafia overall than a tertiary player like Shockey/TickTock/Obi. I get your point about his lynch not really taking off but I also think that D1 was such a mess that it doesn't necessarily have to mean that mafia were avoiding his wagon on purpose. That is, assuming you aren't mafia and joined on with me/hf Then we are on the same page. Cool. IF we decide Wave is towny enough for now then some of the people who seem detached (the ones you mentioned for example) are very likely mafia. | ||
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On January 11 2021 23:21 Holyflare wrote: He gets 2 points for being on the counter wagon and one point for voting a leading wagon and needs 5 to leave. If he gets 3 points a day then he leaves d2. If he can only get 2 then he leaves day 3. I guess it could maybe be legit that there's 2 3Ps but we'll see when you full reveal I guess. I guess the important question here is can we make him (Vivax) confirm his claim before MYLO/LYLO. In that case we can just ignore him until then. I can see 2 3Ps at max tbh. depending on the size of the mafia team/s but if there are any more claims we really need to lynch into them. | ||
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On January 11 2021 23:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Am I missing another part of his claim? I'm going off this which, again, d4 at the earliest. And I just want to note I heavily empathize with his last sentence there. Ok, so HFs math is off. The point accumulation might be too slow. | ||
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On January 11 2021 23:39 yamato77 wrote: Maybe JAT dies, I'd be kinda happy if that happens rude | ||
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On January 12 2021 01:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: That's the problem, his role caused chaos, and help mafia get an up on town. I'm aggrevated because ya'll mislynched a town, and one of you obviously knew it. I'm betting it's you HF. HF thing isn't real. He's mafia. 100%. I'm convinced mafia is Conversion + HF. HF just throwing shit to see who eats it, and there's so many who eat HF's shit. He got GB lynched so easily, I'm certain that's why town GB stopped trying. I'm basically gunning it for HF all day. That has to be the dumbest shit I read in a while. No offense. | ||
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On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote: The Case for TickTock TickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. How is this ever his vote in this spot? If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts. Ok, I finally got around to reading this. The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now. | ||
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On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns Yeah, but this is also a personality thing. Are you saying ticktock is like you in this regard? I don't remember his playstyle very well. | ||
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On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns Yeah, but that is also a personality thing. | ||
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On January 12 2021 05:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: WTF IS GOING ON Is the game not going your way? | ||
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On January 12 2021 05:32 Alakaslam wrote: C’mon get out of the QT and talk in the game thread. For the 3 who aren’t in there: yes a bunch of people now have a QT like 9 of us wat | ||
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On January 12 2021 05:40 WaveofShadow wrote: But is also hilarious. You're not the only one excluded though See if you can guess before they show up! I have no idea. And you will probably tell me to rub it in anyways, so :/ | ||
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Ah, I see. | ||
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On January 12 2021 06:25 Tictock wrote: Ok I'll stop having fun. Though I admit, it was my bad for not spamming 100 posts to vote Converison in a 10 min window, or voting someone who claimed something I was fully aware of and knew it didn't make them mafia. ##Vote: Conversion Like seriusly all of conversions posts are jokes, fluff, or a quote with "Mafia" after it. What sort of case do you need me to make, it's done for me. My Case That is not a very convincing case :D I mean waves filter doesn't impress me either but hey. | ||
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On January 12 2021 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote: you know jat, you're actually alright. I apologize for bullying you I would do it again tho I would expect nothing less. But seriously, I really do not understand why TT is so sure about conversion. Seems like pure OMGUS to me. | ||
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On January 12 2021 06:32 Dandel Ion wrote: What can I say I'm an Austrian playing an Austrian LOL | ||
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On January 12 2021 06:40 ghostofconversion wrote: dont think i forgot about u mister u dare tread upon my International American Waters and try to steal MY thunder of nuking people into oblivion? and not only that, u committed heinous crimes against my family by existing and breathing the same air that my family has for generations? i will not stand for this! my nukes are GMO free! cage free! we expanded in to the Great Western part of this land to make an honest living, and u city slickers come in thinking u can come in with your _science_ and try to out compete the local etsy nuclear warhead seller? my immigrant forefathers will not stand for this! we stand for Aiur! En taro tassadar! ##Nuke justanothertownie Is this another one of your "quality nukes"? | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Nuclear Launch Detected. A nuke is projected to hit Justanothertownie in 24 hours. Goodbye cruel world... | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote: You were too pretty for this world And conversion's greedy jealous talons will rip our sweet babe out of it I know it is sad and you will miss me but you have to endure the hardships. Time will heal your wounds. | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:05 justanothertownie wrote: Conversions nukes may not beat mine in quality. But they do in quantity. Sike! Our battle will be legendary. ##Nuke ghostofconversion | ||
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I have no idea what your qt does. It seems pretty stupid to have a qt of this size though. But maybe that is just the jealousy speaking. | ||
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Otherwise shockey has to go first for the sole reason that Dandel is funnier. When it comes to intentional comedy that is. | ||
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Ah, so that was reversed too? wow | ||
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On January 12 2021 21:17 Holyflare wrote: For a game that says it has anti name claim mechanics there's sure been a lot of name claiming with no repercussions. That is for sure. | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm finding yourself and HF to be more of a team than conversion and I've ready man. I've read. I can pull up any kind of info you want because I remember the whole thread. Come on man. You clearly do not. You are trolling us either way. | ||
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On January 13 2021 03:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: Trolling maybe, but yes I do remember the thread. Your posts tell a different story though. You have shown multiple times that you aren't aware of the most basic things happening in this game. | ||
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You just have to look at the last page where you talk about HF calling yamato mafia which has been resolved since then. | ||
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On January 13 2021 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I could switch to Dandel too, worst case scenario he is truly 3p but we didn't lose anyone last night so we're ahead So many fun options I still think obi should be considered but I don't even remember why anymore Why would we ever consider Obi today? There are 2 supposed redchecks to go through. | ||
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On January 13 2021 04:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean, that;s how I read it. If you actually go back to before GB gets lynched you'll notice he's gone for quite some time after being tunneled. Did you ever play with GB? | ||
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On January 13 2021 04:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: He isn't the kind of player to roll over, yet he did when arguing with you is what I'm saying. Why would he though? I remember several games where town GB was shitfighting with HF. GB never had a probem going up against HF. | ||
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On January 13 2021 04:36 Holyflare wrote: This guy is a fucking jester and that's why he increases votes on himself. No doubt in my mind. Abort guys. A jester who makes votes on him stronger would be incredibly overpowered and stupid. But I get the thought. | ||
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On January 13 2021 04:52 ghostofconversion wrote: mine hits first though get ready to die city slicker I'll see you in hell. | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:06 Eversince wrote: Wait. I'm retarded ain't I? We still have 23 hours?! I'm go smack my head on a wall for being bad. Lots of time to read! | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Thinking about it a little now, what kind of ability and motivation causes vote counts to be tripled for a specific person? I can't tell if this is a scum or town ability. I think I'd feel good that whoever used the ability on him is likely the opposite alignment to him, yes? It is his own ability. | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:35 Holyflare wrote: He's a jester or yamato has a hit out on a specific name, either way shockey is a bad vote. hit out? | ||
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On January 13 2021 05:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah HF by virtue of being hf is always a little sneaky or untrustworthy unfortunately. And I don't think he was as obvious town. Why is his fucking with the votes a danger here? The guy he votes also gets more weight to his wagon. We need a solid majority if he isn't with us. | ||
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Knew it. We should lynch Dandel then. I still don't think Shockey is jester with that role though. That would be utter bullshit. | ||
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On January 13 2021 18:47 yamato77 wrote: "having KP" is not a redcheck did you read anything I posted on this topic I am not going over it again I read it. It is a red check though since dandel claimed having no KP. So unless he was framed or slams check was otherwise tampered with this means he lied (is mafia or potentially SK) and we should lynch him. Unless you think slam is mafia. | ||
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On January 13 2021 18:49 yamato77 wrote: I think that is exceedingly unlikely Dandel actually appears to be thinking about the game for one Not to mention all the scummiest people in the game are willing to lynch him so easily This feels like a terrible lynch choice to avoid actually lynching mafia I will give you that Dandel's behavior and tone did not alarm me at all. Thinking about the game though - not a lot I'd say. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:03 yamato77 wrote: It literally does hurt because of the amount of players who are relatively inattentive and don't explain their reads at all. I also don't want to waste a whole entire other day trying to lynch Shockey again. We are wasting this day as well though if we are not doing anything else. Infowise at least. And I seriously think we ought to lynch the redcheck (or KP check). In ways it is even worse than a redcheck since a redcheck would have been expected for his claimed role. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:23 Holyflare wrote: I've never seen a game end with jester being eliminated. Only them achieving a wincon. Sure, this would also be my assumption. And since I was the first to entertain the jester option I would be right with you here but this ability really does not fit a jester. Or rather it helps a jester achieve his goal way too easily. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:29 yamato77 wrote: The role and usage also make no sense for town really What kind of town ability gives you extra votes but guarantees that mafia can get you to majority by themselves Fair. But it is not very helpful as mafia either. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:29 Holyflare wrote: Clearly we're debating not killing him so it's not that easy. I think you are overcomplicating things now. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:31 yamato77 wrote: But it is! Mafia getting extra votes is so good. How can you not see that? Sure, but mafia also does not want to get lynched, right? This makes it highly likely to get lynched. I would say the role is not really helpful to any alignment. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:35 yamato77 wrote: It depends on game state obviously. The writing was on the wall for him today, clearly, so he just used it because he figured he was going to die anyway If he were not so likely to get lynched, using this ability and then voting late in the day to hide his voting strength is a strong mafia move that could literally sway a lynch and confuse the shit out of town I made this point already though Ok, that is true. Would be really idiotic to use it today then though. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Feels good man But I'm personally not so sure the extra votes will stick in the final votecount. Wait, so why are you lynching me and not Shockey? There are still more people currently willing to lynch Schoko over me, so if it truly didn't matter it wouldn't matter to you. Why the weird not-defense-but-push-someone-else thing you've got going here? Is that really something you say when you seem to think I'm mafia? Eyy, it's just to see what happens XD Sus. You are 3P at best and redchecked on top of that. I don't really need any more reasons to lynch you. You aren't even fakehosting anymore so that's no reason to keep you either. Sad times. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:41 Dandel Ion wrote: So what reasons do you have for not lynching shockey? I don't have any. He just hasn't been checked. | ||
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On January 14 2021 01:41 Holyflare wrote: Yeah I'm voting him because of your role too. That makes 3 of us. | ||
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On January 14 2021 04:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ##Rant Alright, listen here. You say stuff like this because you think it's funny but it's not funny - it's actually unfunny and it makes me angry how unfunny it is and you are. In addition to that, you said someone had the IQ of a sandwich. Sandwiches are delicious, and I went and Googled smart sandwiches and apparently there were some hits so frankly your insinuation that a person could be as dumb as a sandwich when there's such thing as a smart one sandwich is wrong. You are insulting, antitown, you're voting the wrong dude and you also smell like moldy porridge. Thank you for this valuable and well thought out contribution to our lynch today. | ||
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He had it coming though. "Imagine lynching GB"... | ||
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On January 14 2021 11:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Uh. Why? I'm not mafia. :x Did something happen that made you not want to lynch HF? iirc he claimed shockeyy was in two QTs and I thought that was what made him mafia, so if that's not the case then HF was lying for some reason? I also kinda wrote shockeyy off because his posting wasn't really great while he was getting run up but I guess this might be worth a second look now. I can dig. Dude, you are still not reading the thread. On January 14 2021 12:16 ghostofconversion wrote: this isnt the attitude i want sir come right up one vote one vote only im taking vote bids on my hand crafted nukes get em while its hot Maybe we should nuke the same target. They will never escape that way. It also seems you got the predictable result from such a poll on this site. | ||
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On January 14 2021 23:24 ghostofconversion wrote: reports have been made that there was vote tampering! the horror. someone who shall not be named has asked the state of Georgia for several votes against me, so the poll has been deemed invalid for the sake of Democracy. the nuke will now be decided by yours truly, Sexy Ghost Town Conversion Weak. | ||
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On January 14 2021 23:38 ghostofconversion wrote: my feelings are hurt and my day is immeasurably ruined jk ill nuke ur ass into orbit i swear on me mum Want to take this outside? | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:10 ghostofconversion wrote: yeah that was obvious think we just lose now we lost the only 2 town players actually playing the game let's all collective raise our hands in the air and praise Hapahauli and ##concede u wot | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:29 ghostofconversion wrote: Fellow citizens, it is Conversion here. It has been a while ride in mafia town. We've had some good times, we've had some bad times. I have had nothing but love for all of you (except one person, who shall not be named). As a respected member of the mafia community, I will do what is right and nuke myself as it was in the polls. I am not sure why you would do so, but I bid you all farewell. I just sincerely hope that you will follow through my words when I say DO NOT TRUST VIVAX'S CLAIM ABOUT HOL-- oh, he's dead. Never mind. I no longer have the strength, will, or charisma to pull together as your nuclear warhead making commander in chief. Maybe in a future game, town will not spout lies such as ObiWanKenobi thinking that my nukes were all fakes or duds, or Tictock, who has been my mortal enemy at every turn. It was a good run, and I have no idea who the fuck mafia is but it seems like town will pull through even with me dead. HAPAHAULI I SUMMON THEE, ##NUKE CONVERSION Finally a decent target btw. ##Nuke ghostofconversion | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:49 Dandel Ion wrote: no man don't be obtuse OBVIOUSLY the person that was the announced cop target wasn't going to be messed with at all. That would be like, too easy. Sure. But you were checked last night too. You saying they knew it then as well? | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:47 ghostofconversion wrote: this is the real one and i can share my role pm if u dont believe me not like this town cares anyways that i put us at MYLO if we have a 3P anywhere, and if we have 2 3P we just outright lose lynch or not Very likely. | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote: The thing about Jat is, I am way more used to him taking a leadership role, similar to his D1 D2 he let HF and yams run amok and the fact that I don't remember his usually strong town presence I think justifiably raises my hackles. For now it's Dandel and/or obi I tried to reason with Yamato on day2 but with Shockey ability there was no way to get anyone else lynched. And tbh. I was quite happy with him being lynched since he was very likely mafia in my mind. | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh oh, do you guys have half nukes that when combined make a real one? Jat why did you nuke conversion if it's not fake? They are obviously both fake again. | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:54 Dandel Ion wrote: They could have rolecopped Slam he telegraphs his checks, man. I've never killed a soul and if I could kill, why the flying fuck would I not blast off slams head when he voted for me yesterday. I knew this was coming, yet I am powerless to stop it. Truly the town experience looks like I was green all along. Well, if you kill slam then you are definitely toast. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm wondering if it's worth the hail Mary for style points and just gun for obi rather than playing it safe on dandel I worry that scum left me alive knowing I'm bad and wrong as town a lot, but most likely it was higher priority to take out the town leaders first regardless I need to know if anyone visited yamato last night Well what did your qt do? Did they protect you as they should have? | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes and they knew it was happening I'm also paranoid Well unless you are mafia we have the reason for your survival right there. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I have to target people the day before and can take an action at night, in case that's what you guys are wondering. Did said action kill him by any Chance? | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: PS - do people think slam is not town for one reason or another? Because I kind of think he's town and he obviously has a red check on dandel. Which mafia did not care about at all. Why? I mean he is a decent lynch to fall back on but I am doubtful about him being mafia. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:25 ghostofconversion wrote: also where did we get the Dandel can't win with town from? I assume he checked him again. In some different way. At least he had voted him again. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:37 Dandel Ion wrote: well you gotta give it to him, he did get him killed. lol | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:46 Eversince wrote: I mean it basically boils we either risk mafia/ eliminate me or ignore the fact I miss votes/ deadlines/ entire fucking cycles and just 'hope' or you guys can solve the way I outlined earlier. Well are you town? In that case eliminating you right now seems like a losing play . | ||
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On January 15 2021 07:16 ghostofconversion wrote: the flavor is basically delayed town KP. for JAT that makes it either he has the exact same power as me, which doesn't really swing him town or mafia anyways (WIFOM would say he's more mafia than two townies having the exact same power), or he's town with infinite fake nukes and no delayed KP OK, if that is true then our roles are a little different. But that is all I will say. I did not visit Yamato, wave. | ||
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On January 15 2021 07:37 ghostofconversion wrote: ok then can someone not eversince explain to me how they put a track on HF and he was killed without a check coming back to ES, mechanically speaking? some sort of hidey role? Tracker only sees who HF visits. He probably didn't visit anyone since I think he should have had shockeyy ability at that point. If I am not mistaken. Well, we should probably lynch Dandel. Possibly. I will think about it tommorow. Good night. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Jat is lylo or Mylo or whatever final lynch if game doesn't end He's PoE lynch because he just hasn't done anything memorable this whole game and fell off real hard How did I fall off exactly? And from what did I fall? I am the only one left who actually played the game the entire time. I can tell you right now this poe is off. The TT claim makes things at least a little easier since Eversince should only be mafia if he is also (unless she is a godfather) which puts her way back in the line. Even though I would like to mention that it is only the check that makes her town and not the Mason stuff. They were obviously not confirmed town to each other. Conversion is most likely town for his play and I seriously hope he did not actually nuke himself. Pretty sure he didn't though. Wave is also NOT confirmed as everyone seems to just assume. His role is basically confirmed by the qt stuff but we do not know for certain that mafia targeted Yamato n1. It IS likely though. So he is also in the back of the list. TT has been "meh" for me the whole game. We should not forget that both Yamato and HF wanted to kill him. The claim doesn't really make sense as mafia though. Unless he is mafia with Eversince and this is their gambit to end the game. Dandel should have been the one to die today (I definitely believe slam over him especially since dandel again changed his claim which is at least one time too many). There is no way around that. But Vivax took this decision from us. So we will have to decide between Obi and Vivax today. The question is: Is Vivax mafia and did this to end the game with a mislynch? Is Vivax 3p and correctly identified mafia? Is Vivax 3p and goofed by choosing a townie? Option 3 means we basically lost the game so I will ignore it for now. So it depends on obis alignment and I am historically bad at reading him. He didn't do much except for appearing when people where talking about him. But as far as I remember that is just how he plays so... Maybe at some point I should do some wagon analysis. I think dandel is most likely mafia and obi did Park his vote on Shockey the whole day, right? Will have to do more reading later on but my guess right now would be either: Dandel+Obi+wave/conversion or something like vivax+TT+eversince | ||
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On January 14 2021 01:43 Hapahauli wrote: Dandel Ion (7) - TicTock, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Shockeyy There is a lot of town on this wagon during day2. May even be all town. | ||
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On January 15 2021 20:00 Vivax wrote: But his latest post made me more confident, if anything. He needs to start spinning a narrative where I'm not third party to survive this. So will the other mafia. True. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:31 Eversince wrote: Ok, this dude is 100% legit. Tt is never mafia to me ever. First role I got and he nails it. Did the thought that he might know this via some mafia power never even enter your mind? | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:07 ghostofconversion wrote: I don't think TT is ever mafia with that claim, JAT. eversince was under no pressure whatsoever and if they were both mafia he could have told her to just stop in a QT Eversince wasn't but TT certainly was. It is possible that he is mafia and she is town. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:10 ghostofconversion wrote: TT was never the lynch target D3, if that was mafia claiming to try and clear his name I don't ever see why mafia!TT would do so on a day where we only lynch Dandel, or perhaps Obi even without Vivax's duel Well, someone has to be mafia and the investigative roles sure do accumulate recently with slam the qt and now TT. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:13 Vivax wrote: Yeah so here you are slowly spinning up that narrative where I‘m not 3p. If you‘re mafia here you just went all in and wouldn‘t survive an Obi red flip. Why would I go all in like that. If I was scum then mafia would be in an awesome position. I wouldn't compromise it like that. Not to mention that I am just trying to figure out which one of you we should lynch like all townies should. Mindlessly accepting you as 3P is certainly not the right play. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:16 ghostofconversion wrote: why I bothered to vote is beyond me but at this point I believe it's obi/jat/dandel I'm also being removed in 7 hours AMA Out of courtesy l will act extremely surprised when you are not removed in 7 hours. It might be Obi/dandel. But dandel would have been the far better choice to duel. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:23 Vivax wrote: Fair enough but considering the timing of my claim and that for you it seemed legit earlier, why does it flip to the opposite/do you start doubting it when it‘s Obi pn the table? If I don‘t use my ability you‘ could have said my claim was a lie and after I did you accuse me of it. Damned if I do damned if I don‘t and you pick whatever suits you at the moment? The problem is not that you have used your ability. The problem is that you did not choose dandel. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:28 ghostofconversion wrote: I'm never mafia in this scenario fyi so one of TT/Wave so your team is Dandel/Vivax +1? As you can see by my vote this is currently not my team. But it sadly is a distinct possibility. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:46 ghostofconversion wrote: im really not seeing the tt mafia randomly clearing eversince unless she's also mafia but who knows Could of course also be dandel/tt/Eversince. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:55 ghostofconversion wrote: but then the question is always why would TT clear in thread and not tell her to calm down in QT? ES was never the lynch this would also mean mafia!TT bussed Dandel early since there were several occasions where he wanted to lynch Dandel, and interacted about 0 times meaningfully with Obi Why is the bussing suddenly bugging you when it never made a difference to you before? | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:56 Vivax wrote: You just said before that you have a PoE. Now you‘re conjuring up all sorts of millkshakes. It is not that hard to understand. I think slam wave and conversion are unlikely mafia. And worrying about Eversince before going after TT makes no sense. | ||
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On January 15 2021 22:58 ghostofconversion wrote: I've never commented on the bussing this game at all? Exactly. But you still thought both of them are mafia, right? | ||
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On January 15 2021 23:06 ghostofconversion wrote: I've commented that TT was mafia based on his filter and contributions, but I'm trying to think why mafia!TT would randomly defend his mafia!Eversince when she was in no threat to a lynch. The bussing was more of a comment for myself to revisit his filter OK, fair enough. | ||
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On January 16 2021 00:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I kind of want to think that it's waveu just because he's not giving me any room here. Jat has a nasty tendency to get stuck in tunnels sometimes which is a little bit more likely than waveu just kind of writing me off for extremely poor reasoning. ??? In what tunnel am I stuck again? If there is any it has got to be dandel. | ||
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On January 16 2021 00:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I may be overstating it but I kind feel like you may be stuck on me, not dandel, though maybe I'm reading into thread sentiment too much and thinking the world is against me. Idk. I'm fine with dandel being dead as well and have no issue with you thinking that. I literally said I have no reason to scumread you but poe. | ||
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On January 16 2021 01:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's nice and all but I'm not mafia, so obviously there's some kind of issue somewhere that needs to be addressed. Well, help me out then. | ||
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On January 16 2021 01:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Sure. Just ftr, your poe list is narrowed down to me and TT because you think waveu is confirmed town, correct? Why is Noone reading my posts? No, he is not confirmed. But it is likely that he saved Yamato. If you can offer me a plausible alternative for that I will put him in the poe pool. | ||
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On January 16 2021 01:13 Alakaslam wrote: S U P MAH NIGGA Have I successfully been you? :D I am JAT. I think the game is over so may as well claim and gloat Also, roleplaying you made me play significantly better sensei lol So my role is to tunnel all the time? I think that's harsh. But OK. Maybe I am too deluded to see it. | ||
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On January 16 2021 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote: I just ignored my role tbh cause I had no idea how to do it Same. | ||
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On January 16 2021 01:40 Alakaslam wrote: No, to reverse them. HF tried to create a QT with you, ever, and JAT or yama or I forget who wasnt in it The result was to create one with EVERYONE ELSE lol Exactly. His ability is basically confirmed. The only thing that is not 100 % confirmed is that mafia targeted Yamato. But who did they shoot in that case and why did it not go through? Occam says wave probably blocked it. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I've been trying to fish for it but there's really no way anyone would ever own up to visiting yamato so I tried to use my ability on him again last night, so either he was protected and I killed him, or I was roleblocked Figured as much. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I also think I'm pretty decent at finding scum in the people who attack me. Especially since I'm such a frequent target most of the time - I think I have a lot of experience in this scenario so I think taking my word here might be worth more than you think. I get the effort point but that really only seems to apply on day 2, where shockeyy was being lynched, but I was okay with that so what's the point of overdoing stuff when I already have what I want? Plus, I have given you reasons as to why Vivax is mafia - you can't just say "you didn't try hard enough" when most of those reasons came at pretty much the only time he did anything, and I don't see anyone actually disputing the points that I raised. The points are generally valid. But differentiating between 3p and mafia is hard. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote: One point I don't think anyone mentioned is the nature of the argument that a vivax/dandel scum team doesn't make a ton of sense. Them both claiming 3p together is pretty stupid imo Also consider both roleclaims kade Dandels was wildly convoluted and shifting all the time and nobody could make heads or tails of it most of the time Hes literally been lying all game Vivax claimed when it was of zero benefit to scum, was clear, concise, and detailed. That is true but Vivax also saved dandel from being lynched which is blatantly against towns interest. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:29 ghostofconversion wrote: I mean I can see a world where 3P!Vivax sees 0 votes on Dandel, thinks town is going to waffle and lose the game, rereads the thread and forces a vote between him and his scummiest read, where he does not believe Slam's claim and Dandel is a town player with reverse KP I don't see a world where M!Vivax decides to use his power before I'm dead and with 24+ hours to go to force a lynch between him and +1. The best use of this power is to do it when I'm dead, and slam it on himself and another person with a smaller amount of time to discuss to try and force a mislynch. M!Vivax, if he's smart, would have waited to confirm my nuke is actually real to see if I get removed from the game, then try to run down the clock with disorganized town to force the MYLO with a smaller amount of time left How is this about you in any way? | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:31 ghostofconversion wrote: like in no way does a mafia team ever make a move before confirming whether my nuke is real or not Why would they ever assume your nuke is real? | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:37 ghostofconversion wrote: I don't think I'm being very confusing? Vivax being mafia means 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Dandel is teammates with him, which Wave points to being a weird team, but let's say it's true for this argument's sake Mafia sees me nuke myself, assumes my nuke isn't real (even if I am screaming that it is MYLO because it is real). They wait 24 hours, confirms my nuke is real, we are at 5/3 24 hours in because I'm a game ruiner. Vivax then subverts the Dandel lynch, and tries to convince people of someone the thread sentiment thinks is scummy, person gets lynched, Mafia wins due to mislynch If my nuke is fake, Vivax just traded 1:1 for absolutely no reason since we are no longer at MYLO. If mafia are never assuming my nuke is real, Mafia!Vivax just made a random 1:1 trade for no fucking reason? so it makes even less sense JAT if you're assuming that mafia never believe I'm being serious First of all if I was mafia I wouldn't believe you for a second. Then going 1vs1 does not mean that Vivax trades since his 3p claim means he has a convenient excuse and we aren't smarter at all after mislynching. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly I think the onus is on you to make the argument that 3p would do the same thing, especially since he would theoretically have even less of a reason to do the thing you're saying he would do. Well 3p Vivax absolutely has the reason to duel since he did not vote on day2 like an idiot (or lost the plot as mafia). He needs the points. The question is though why 3p Vivax does not go for the safest lynch which would have been dandel. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:52 ghostofconversion wrote: @Vivax do you believe Dandel is town? He claimed as much. | ||
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On January 16 2021 03:56 Alakaslam wrote: No... you’re missing something. HF created KP WAVE REVERSED IT TO HEAL. Wave does not create doctor saves, though he may claim to. Yes, and he would have reversed a shot to a save is my assumption. | ||
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On January 16 2021 04:02 ghostofconversion wrote: like even if Vivax doesn't get policy lynched, we just lynch Dandel and that's the 1:1 Then Vivax gets lynched, for distracting us from Dandel which makes it 2:1 the only way this makes sense before confirming my nuke is if Dandel is not mafia, in which case why the fuck would mafia!Vivax save Dandel This conclusion is not as obvious or likely as you make it out to be in my opinion. | ||
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On January 16 2021 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Jat claim And what purpose would that serve today? | ||
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On January 16 2021 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: It wouldn't, but I'm curious. Is there a particular reason you're so hesitant though? Yes, I can quote it for you if you want. | ||
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On December 03 2020 08:37 Hapahauli wrote: While I encourage roleplaying, there are anti-claim mechanics in this game. While players are allowed to post the contents of their role PM's and disclose their "identities", think very carefully before claiming your role-name or powers. | ||
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On January 16 2021 06:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I can tell you jat's role + Show Spoiler + You are Holyflare, the least improved mafia player of all time. If you are mafia, you lose the game. But; you are town. You still have a chance to lose the game. At night, you can either request assistance with reading other players (Cop check), pussy up (Veteran) or go hog-wild (Vigilante). The Vig is one-shot, the others are unlimited use, one at a time. During the day you can choose to ##ERP: Player Name. This will amorously bind you to that other player and any future night action they take, you take as well (wiggle wiggle), and any night action they receive you receive as well (wiggle wiggle). You may bind only to one player and the bond dissipates after one hot night of action. Wtf I totally forgot I had night actions. Now I am sad. | ||
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On January 16 2021 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh boy look at all the ways we've been punished thus far And about to lose I won't claim my role name. But I guess I can tell you the rest. I am basically VT now if I am not mistaken. I can fake nuke once per day and if I do that I can pardon someone once per game. But the pardon only works until MYLO/Lylo. So if we are in MYLO now I am powerless except for fake nukes. I think a pardoner is an extremely anti town role and I would basically never use it. I could have in Shockey case but I thought he was mafia and imagine me pardoning Shockey and we still mislynch. Then the game is truly fucked. | ||
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Yes, you can direct your complaints at Hapa & Co. I bet your role is suitable for a normal game. | ||
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On January 16 2021 17:06 WaveofShadow wrote: You people all need to get your votes off of Vivax Why though? I mean I will try to consolidate with who I think is town in the end. Don't worry about that. But I am not sure you are on the right track here. | ||
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On January 17 2021 01:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm here for right now but unfortunately it's not super likely I'll be around much before deadline. The thread isn't super active anyway so I don't really see what else I need to respond to at this rate anyways. Just a minor consolidation of my current thoughts as to what's going on: I think Jat's town because of some meta stuff and because of proper role use. I think TT is town because he fell into the same basket as me early and I've never been particularly swayed by the cases on him. I think he had a pretty good cop check that actually helps us out considerably and he outed it at a time that saved us a lot of trouble. Sure, there's always a chance that they're both mafia but Vivax's play doesn't make sense if they are, and TT seems kinda town outside of his claim today anyways. Slam is town and I have seen absolutely nothing to not believe that. I think Waveu is being not so smart and I think he's resisting this lynch way too much - could easily be last scum, even if nothing else due to PoE. Dandel and Vivax are the other two for obvious reasons at this point. And in case it's relevant, conversion's thoughts on the situation aren't good because they don't assess anyone's play and just assume that someone playing badly makes them town. I'll be away from most of today unfortunately, but I'll be lurking about close to deadline if I need to claim. You should claim anyways to be honest... | ||
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On January 17 2021 03:42 Eversince wrote: Someone said it I read to slow to jump through and find it It was TT. I didn't really understand what he was getting at though. | ||
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On January 17 2021 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: And this is the problem with lying as town, ladies and gentlemen Yeah, not his brightest moment. | ||
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On January 17 2021 04:57 Eversince wrote: Wait.. Why the fuck has TT vote Obi when Vivax can't win with town?! Like I said. No idea where that was coming from. | ||
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On January 17 2021 05:57 Eversince wrote: Nah the only real problem I had is.. Town should not be able to ragequit games. We had a banlist for this once upon a time. I should never have been able to post my qt in entirety.. I basically confirmed myself town. Which I'm sorry for stooping so low but ey, girls gotta do what it takes to try win right? Right!? Nah, you weren't confirmed town by this. What made you untouchable was TTs fakeclaim. | ||
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On January 17 2021 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: No for me that qt post absolutely made her town You guys definitely played quite a game to win despite a whole bunch of near-confirmed town. Would you have pardoned dandel? No, we basically accepted that Dandel would be lynched as soon as town pulls their heads out of their asses. Luckily that never really happened. Dandel also was the only one of us without an important role. I think I would have only pardoned myself. Pardoning TT for example also would just out both of us as mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2021 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I had fun in this one guys, I hope despite the usual arguing and frustration other people did too I wish I were better at town lol I already said it in the mafia qt but I had a lot of fun. Despite being mafia which usually means I hate everything. I can see why some townies would be quite frustrated though. | ||
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On January 17 2021 06:13 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL I just realized when you said you weren't bothering with rp it was cause you had me haha :D | ||
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On January 17 2021 07:59 Holyflare wrote: Don't be too hard on yourself. You play in a second language with little to no time and you were pretty easy to town read. I stopped playing because I didn't have enough time to devote the game and I think that's why the forum started to die too. We just grow old, that's life unfortunately! I guess that's true. Sad though. | ||
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On January 18 2021 01:08 Tictock wrote: I notice in Obs QT when I read it >.< First cycle is always a bit rough for me as scum, tough balancing my own motivation and trying to scum hunt. Thankfully I am extremely used to being scumread and can usually keep myself balanced between being scumread and actually lynched. Well if I actually have time to play that is. Converison really needed to bring out an actual case on me though, He made it really easy for me to just fling shit back and forth to the point I think ppl kinda didnt care or want to get involved. Idk if I would have been able to change Yam's mind on me. I think I was close and flipping Dandel would have given me/Jat some breathing room. I didn't really need breathing room though Tbh. I think what saved you was dandel being redchecked and HF/yam being nightkilled. That and of course conversion comitting sudoku. He was very likely to kill mafia. | ||
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On January 18 2021 01:58 Tictock wrote: ^.^ I'm sure the question of why you were still alive would never have been brought up. Sure, the longer the game the more obvious I would have been. | ||
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On January 18 2021 04:00 Holyflare wrote: Nobody thought I was mafia other than like one person lol I think that person was mafia!TT. No, your WIFOM was a pain in the ass for mafia and generally not a bad thing. The bad thing is when you actually try to get killed because you don't want to play. Which I also understand since you were more or less the only townie actively and properly playing this game. This forum apparently isn't what it used to be. | ||
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On January 18 2021 08:00 Alakaslam wrote: Part of the reason I’m essentially pulling a conversion after this is that this game has had it dawn on me that I can literally be a cop with a redcheck and 1. Not be enough of a priority to shoot or save 2. Not be able to convince a town to lynch my target and 3. Garner suspicion for this Clearly, this game is not for me. If mechanics can’t make up for my apparent lack of skill... *and 2b. This across multiple days. **and 4. All this in a game where people are saying it was heavily town favored when not one mafia was lynched. *** and about 4... please explain how a game with I literally hit my check and could not lynch my target, largely due to those mechanics. The check also took two cycles to form, so you can’t weight my role as a full cop. WoS and others I can’t remember made baller saves, but those could have also snowballed to tons of extra KP. There were basically two bad lynches iirc, which were GB and ShoCkeyy. Odds of Vivax hitting scum with his role: generally 1 in about 3 tbh. Even when the odds were reduced to 50:50, he obviously missed at my behest. When he SR me too. People don’t take into account the power of lacking knowledge when they talk balance. I think this one was balanced well. Town played... either like shit or amazingly well, depending where you look, scum played normally and used dandel’s mechanics and shrouding their intent with those well to execute flawless victory. Props, but don’t then claim it was THAT much of an uphill battle before you imagine having an SR all game that you Just Cant Lynch Albeit I pointed out that was RP, it wasn’t too long before I meant every last bit of it- and still wasn’t certain! Don't be too hard on yourself. The reason we did not shoot you was that we knew in advance who you would check because of the way your role worked with the need to vote them first. If that hadn't been the case we absolutely would have tried to get rid of you. Your gameplay was not the reason. No idea what town was doing on day2. Dandel should have been the lynch 100 %. | ||
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