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[M][T] Personality Mafia: Mini Edition
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Because waveu told me to. | ||
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You. ... Hi!  | ||
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Being mafia would make me really sad. D: | ||
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Yes that's exactly it. + Show Spoiler + I didn't put a smiley face in at first.  | ||
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Idk, I rolled town and don't want to roll mafia. But that role is pretty sweet. I kinda wanna see how everyone feels about this. | ||
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On January 08 2021 07:19 Tictock wrote: ... ok, didn't expect Dandel's thing to be legit ##Replace Host My curiosity is peaked, peeked? pecked... pickled Ehhhhhh. | ||
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On January 08 2021 07:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I imagined this in your voice. I wish my soul read of you carried over into text so badly :p Now you're going to have to try to read me like everyone else. Good luck with that lmao. | ||
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GB that seems a bit early for an opinion, no? | ||
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On January 08 2021 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Listen, for those people speculating and not voting, grow a pair and have some fun. IIRC greymist helped Hapa out with some role stuff and I trust the two of them that a role doesn't exist that completely remakes the game in Dandels image in its entirety. Hell, if it does work exactly the way he says I'm even more interested to see exactly how its pulled off without destroying everything Hapa presumably worked on for a month. Yeah but I don't really want to be mafia. :/ | ||
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I can't even remember what you were saying about yamato I don't think it even really mattered. | ||
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Well. He called me town because I didn't want to vote dandel into power or w/e, then reneged his read later for no reason. Not sure what's going on there but it needs to be explained. | ||
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On January 09 2021 01:27 GlowingBear wrote: i'm tempted to call you mafia for calling me mafia for calling you mafia You already called me mafia so you can go step on a lego. | ||
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On January 09 2021 02:14 GlowingBear wrote: not wanting to vote means you're happy with your ability/alignment. most people prefer playing as town, not mafia, so i'd expect mafia to accept the replacement with more ease, and town with more skepticism. that's why i thought you could be town. but then you questioned it was too early to have an opinion completely ignoring yamato's town pass on dandel, which for me was scummy. your question "isn't it a bit too early to have an opinion?" also leads nowhere. it doesn't clearly inform if you think i'm scum, while also implying you may find me suspicious. what should i answer here? A fair point - I mostly ignore yamato because his alignment is always much more obvious later in the game. I feel like he has a hard time keeping his quality up as mafia as opposed to town so him having a read that I might question doesn't mean as much when I feel like he might just make himself more obvious later depending on how hard he drops off. I actually don't remember your meta as much and don't know if I can write you off the same way however. | ||
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On January 09 2021 06:51 Holyflare wrote: I got a new role from dandel and it's full of weeb shit and he's trying to make me type stuff in the thread without actually saying what any of it does so hard pass lol | ||
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Do our roles revert back after today? That's what the OP makes it sound like. | ||
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Honestly it seems like it might be a bit of a crapshoot to lynch today. | ||
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On January 09 2021 08:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Holyflare is now wearing a samurai robe and is wielding a katana. lol | ||
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I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was. I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think. | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:10 yamato77 wrote: if town conversion shot a nuke at town me on day 1 for calling him lame I am highly disappointed I don't think that's a real nuke. He's roleplaying as me I think. | ||
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I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. | ||
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If my thoughts are correct, the game where this happened had fake nukes in it too. I had a real one in game but I think the most likely outcome here is that he just kind of has to do this and he maybe gets a real one later possibly - it fits a little bit better than just yolo nuking (which wasn't what happened) but still fits flavorwise. | ||
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On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote: I mean sure it's possible that the nuke conversion shot at me is a dud but ??? It's clear to anyone with a brain that I am town by now anyway so whatever. If I die lynch conversion. I suppose I will continue to play as if it's a fake until proven otherwise. I think this is the best solution, and also the most likely one. | ||
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On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote: Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! Town godfathers exist, if only to throw off rolecops. I get the logic I'm just not following it as the end all be all reason of why he's scum. | ||
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Shock and surprise. | ||
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On January 10 2021 07:14 Holyflare wrote: GB is mafia btw really obvious Wouldn't surprise me either at this point tbh. | ||
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That's the gist I got from your post but I wanted to make sure. | ||
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We can. If the game goes back to normal are we just banking on him being mafia on both ends or what's the plan here? | ||
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On January 10 2021 12:40 Holyflare wrote: Why is nobody pushing anything. Because nobody is sure if what's happening right now is real or not. Or at least that's my interpretation of it. | ||
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GB being scum wouldn't really surprise me that much atm but I don't really understand this argument between either of you. | ||
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I also think lynching Vivax is fine if you think the current gamestate isn't real. I also don't really have a read on dandel either way and I'm not sure why you think otherwise? Like the case on him is objectively bad (that his role makes him mafia) but he really hasn't done anything at all and I'm not sure why that warrants a vote or how people are drawing more conclusions based on that. I also feel like you should have responded to my post about wave being mafia from n0 before using it as a point simply because I don't feel like your reasoning regarding that has been fleshed out enough, if at all? Even if you think he was, I don't agree with it and would like reasoning as to why. As for yamato, I actually think he's dropping towards the null category at this point but with the game being the way it is currently, I'm not really sure that even matters. Honestly I think I mapped out my play today pretty accurately and stand by it. It's not a great strategy per se, but I feel like most of the important stuff happened n0 and most of today is going to be a wash thanks to dandel, and scumhunting based on a few lines early is going to be nigh impossible. | ||
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So ignore my points on him that was just a mistake on my end. | ||
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GB might be a better vote and yamato is actually falling off my list, though yamato is mostly for stuff today so I'm actually not sure that really matters so much. | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:35 Holyflare wrote: You didn't realise Conversion is roleplaying you. One of my parents is you and neither of them are Conversion. You don't have a read on Dandel, there is no case on Dandel other than Slam who I think basically said he made it up for RPing purposes. You've been told that already though so I don't know who these other people are that are drawing conclusions on Dandel. Dandel is just as likely to flip mafia as Vivax was (unlikely) but you mentioned Dandel at that point rather than Vivax. It's just a bit weird for you to defend dandel when he's done absolutely shit all but distract from the game for 2 days. What was there to respond to your posts about? That wave was mafia from n0? I already made my point clear on why I thought that, his mindset shifted from having fun to being defensive and essentially martyring for votes. Now he doesn't want to out his QT buddies even though he has no belief that Dandel's role continues past this day. Is that pro town? Why is Yamato dropping to the null category? What's he done specifically? Well, I thought conversion was roleplaying me and I even said so in thread - that was most of the basis for my original thought process on why the nuke wasn't real. Maybe I was wrong in my original deduction but I don't see why that really matters at the end of the day? Unless you think that I couldn't have come to that conclusion. Dandel is just completely null and I get that the role is confusing but, honestly, if that's all people have then I really don't think that's going to cut it for lynching someone. Yamato was somewhat solve-y early but has since dropped off - he doesn't really give a shit about the gamestate stuff iirc and is just voting wave because he claimed scum, and I know he can be way smarter than that. I'm not sold on him being scum from n0 so it may not mean anything at all, which is unbelievably annoying, but I guess that's just kind of how things are right now. As far as Wave goes, I think that asking him to out his scum QT members might be a bit much considering the whole game would be at stake from his perspective. I agree that it isn't pro-town, but if you think this isn't real, why do you care? He probably isn't going to tell you until he's confirmed back to his original alignment anyway. | ||
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If this gamestate is real I am going to flip your omelette. | ||
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Literally all of today is pointless outside of n0. -.- | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:53 justanothertownie wrote: Today is very much real. You just have to ignore dandels shennanigans. What is so complicated about this? But people aren't doing that. I guess you can just make the assumption that people are going to play as scum even if they're town this time but I kind of don't really see what the point of that would be? I feel like they would still be pushing some sort of agenda regardless but that just kind of isn't really happening at all. | ||
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Actually now that I think about it original scum would probably still have access to their QT which makes that more likely I suppose. | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:56 justanothertownie wrote: Well, he obviously thought the game might stay that way. That would be my guess. Yeah I've mostly been hedging my bets here and just kinda hoping everything goes back to normal since this game just huffs nards otherwise. | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Also blitz let me be clear, I hate it too when stuff gets outed like that. And I'm sorry, it does ruin the fun a lil. I'm only doing it cause I think you're scum Ilu tho lol I haven't taken it personally in the slightest. | ||
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On January 11 2021 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Part of why I did this is because of what HF said earlier----this prevents the gamestate from being real because in effect it absolutely destroys the game. How can you ask a whole bunch of people to switch alignments midgame if you don't even know if you've truly switched?! That breaks the game completely when something like this happens, and I don't think it's on us to keep it secret when we don['t have perfect information like scum normally do. It's just not fair. That's actually a really good point tbh. | ||
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Sure. | ||
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Actually that's ridiculous forget I said that. | ||
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On January 11 2021 04:51 Holyflare wrote: Lol ShoCkeyy mafia Probably. | ||
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Will be afk for the rest of my work day. | ||
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What's up? | ||
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My dandel role PM was scum but we've already established that that doesn't actually exist, and pretty much everyone that thought that now thinks I'm town. Wave might still have some doubts but even he's still iffy on those, probably because there aren't any left really. Anyhoezels. What are your current reads? | ||
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On January 11 2021 10:15 Eversince wrote: What's up with conv? What's the case that killed GB? Why doesn't anyone but me think the host change fiasco (accomplished what?) Isn't relevant? Vivax iirc is confirmed 3p? I have so many questions.. And no time. GB was apathetic and didn't care. His votes were relatively nonsensical iirc. Idk it was a day 1 case and none of those are ever really good - he mostly died because he wasn't here lol. | ||
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On January 11 2021 11:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: I still dont like Dandel, his ability did nothing for the thread other than get a townie lynched. Yeah... I kinda feel like he needs some real reads or opinions at this point. I get that he had a cool role but the nonsense is over now and I feel like that slot needs more pressure. | ||
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It was like right at EOD come on guys. | ||
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Shockeyy might be weakest among those three but that remains to be seen. | ||
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Still rereading the thread to see what I missed. | ||
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On January 12 2021 01:41 ghostofconversion wrote: + Show Spoiler [historic stuff irrelevant to game but…] + On June 06 2017 12:53 Vivax wrote: Morning. I'm cop and redchecked HF (in spite of his BS vet claim at the end of the night). Now what's going to happen is: You're all going to go ham on whether cop and doc is likely in this setup. Everyone will either vote HF or me as it should be. At the end of the day nothing anyone ever said matters again and you will all just lynch another random person again in some attack of herd mentality (which is the prime reason I'm not happy with this game). And don't tell me that lynching fidei wasn't random as hell cause you were all literally just looking for someone else to lynch other than TW except for 1gu who actually had some real arguments. Now I will park my vote on HF, and probably afk until the end of the day when I check in to see if he got lynched. I literally don't care who you vote, but it has to be one of us. 2) Holyflare the Town Vigilante, killed night three 6) Vivax the Vanilla Town, lynched day two https://tl.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi#11 lol | ||
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Tictock's lynch post as wave was on the line was something I didn't really like but kind of wrote off because I thought he was on my team. I don't recall if this has been covered but real scum would have known that QT was fake, no? | ||
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On January 11 2021 22:19 yamato77 wrote: Why isn't town Wave smart enough to realize the same thing Yeah he was talking about it in the QT long before he actually did it. Idk I didn't think it was an unnatural thing for him to scumclaim honestly. I'd probably read into dandel before wave, depending on how much wave feels like calling me mafia. | ||
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On January 12 2021 01:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: How? His huge wall of text that says Tictock and I are mafia? That post is laughable, and looking in the wrong places. Yeah but scum!yamato doesn't do anything. Like...Anything. | ||
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Anyhoezels. ##vote shockeyy | ||
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On January 12 2021 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Guys Guys I love this game Yeah lol. I've looked back at the cat meme like 6 times now and have laughed every single time. | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:48 Alakaslam wrote: DANDEL ION HAS KP Okay. Well. This makes him mafia then, no? | ||
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I'm not saying it's not real, I just don't really understand what you are. Just like some sort of KP cop then, I guess? | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:55 Alakaslam wrote: Or SK, or equipped by GB. So No actually it doesn’t If he got KP from an outside source I think he would have claimed it. So basically he's just...Not town then? | ||
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On January 12 2021 10:17 Holyflare wrote: If shockey is mafia and activated a power that makes all votes on him count as 3 instead of 1 when he knew he was likely to get voted then I question the entire mafia team's intelligence tbh. I think this is mostly wifom though tbh. | ||
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Shockeyy is talks like mafia and iirc does little under pressure so I am pretty not swayed by that logic. Dandel is a good vote as well though that doesn't really make shockeyy not mafia. | ||
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On January 12 2021 10:25 Holyflare wrote: Pretty sure I've had the same power as mafia. Really? When? | ||
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On January 12 2021 10:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you make a mafia team without shockeyy on it? Shockeyy is talks like mafia and iirc does little under pressure so I am pretty not swayed by that logic. Dandel is a good vote as well though that doesn't really make shockeyy not mafia. I actually just realized how poorly written this is. Take out "is" in the first sentence and it makes more sense. I would like to hear about how shockeyy is basically claimed scum though. | ||
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On January 12 2021 10:33 yamato77 wrote: His N1 posting is essentially baby seal territory as far as I'm concerned I don't understand what this means. What is baby seal territory? | ||
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I'd like to know if I can engage you over it if there's something actually there or not. As for shockeyy, I kind of agree with HF that his posting isn't really good (namely that it is poorly thought out and uninspiring) but if there's something else like what yamato keeps talking about then I'd like to know what it is. | ||
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On January 12 2021 11:58 Holyflare wrote: "Shockey is member of 2 QTs" Can you explain this message I received? I just saw this post. Alright, let's just do this. I was open to some kind of reasonable doubt maybe but let's just get this over with. | ||
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On January 12 2021 14:24 Alakaslam wrote: And I can accept it and see it too. But I don’t get that vibe. I know if he flips town this will make me look scummy as shit but I don’t mind that. I have a role and scum knows about it; I don’t expect to live super long. I’d rather affirm my townreading ability tbh; or knock my own pride down a bit by documenting being fooled by ShoCkeyy here. His tone is always good, but he did some scummy stuff and is apparently in 2 QTs so he's mafia. Have faith. | ||
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I don't disagree, but shockeyy is probably scum with him. Do you have a scumteam of two others without shockeyy? | ||
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On January 13 2021 06:31 yamato77 wrote: I literally only think Obi is town right now because he's willing to vote Shockey \o/ | ||
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On January 13 2021 06:35 yamato77 wrote: I don't think Dandel is mafia and I'm not particularly concerned with him "having KP" if there were no night kills last night. Just simply not something worth lynching someone over right now. It's a damn themed game who knows what is going on there Do you have an alternative? | ||
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On January 13 2021 06:52 Dandel Ion wrote: It is weird. actually maybe it's literally just because I could make hapa lynchable and that somehow counts as KP. if that's it I would be quite upset, dunno anything else that would do it though. I really don't think scum would frame me personally, as I was already being kind of obvious about not being town in n1 so I don't see how I would have looked like a good check (and would already return non-town) but hey, slam apparantly did check me so what do I know... I don't think that would come back as KP. @Yam - I get that we have to embrace alternatives but is that mostly because you don't want to turn off of shockeyy or do you legitimately believe dandel over slam? I'm definitely voting shockeyy today if that's what you're concerned about - I'm just worried about what happens after the fact. | ||
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On January 13 2021 19:34 yamato77 wrote: Also I've said I want to kill TickTock also but only Conversion seems to be on my side there I'm not opposed to it either but I just don't see the point right now. | ||
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On January 13 2021 18:12 yamato77 wrote: imagine a game where i am the sanest player this is sad really lol Back to talking about the game, I read somewhere that shockeyy is an IC? I'm going back to look for it and can't find it. | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:09 yamato77 wrote: shockey is not an innocent child holyflare is just being an asshole Oh. Nevermind. | ||
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Like I legitimately didn't believe it was possible. | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:13 justanothertownie wrote: It is impressive how easy it is for HF to cause utter confusion. A reason for this is probably that almost noone in this game is actually following the thread. I think this is also a side effect of constant memes. | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, right... Listen here you. | ||
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On January 14 2021 03:44 Holyflare wrote: I can't believe you guys are voting for the claimed cop. ##Rant Alright, listen here. You say stuff like this because you think it's funny but it's not funny - it's actually unfunny and it makes me angry how unfunny it is and you are. In addition to that, you said someone had the IQ of a sandwich. Sandwiches are delicious, and I went and Googled smart sandwiches and apparently there were some hits so frankly your insinuation that a person could be as dumb as a sandwich when there's such thing as a smart one sandwich is wrong. You are insulting, antitown, you're voting the wrong dude and you also smell like moldy porridge. | ||
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Burn. | ||
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On January 14 2021 08:34 yamato77 wrote: wave it's your turn we can lynch obi Uh. Why? I'm not mafia. :x Did something happen that made you not want to lynch HF? iirc he claimed shockeyy was in two QTs and I thought that was what made him mafia, so if that's not the case then HF was lying for some reason? I also kinda wrote shockeyy off because his posting wasn't really great while he was getting run up but I guess this might be worth a second look now. I can dig. | ||
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On January 14 2021 09:44 Holyflare wrote: For real though, I'm town, I've got big plans. Prot me or do whatever but just make sure I survive and I'll start churning out cases. I think eversince was quite generous and nice inviting me to the QT. Don't think she'd be that bold as mafia to give me some random stuff. Maybe she would, idk, it was her idea to do it and Yamato kinda poo-pood it and made sure that I wasn't saved n1. He's making silly comments like "es go tell mafia qt to shoot hf" and stuff like that so he's just a troll at best and mafia at worst. I don't think the QT has been too egregious to call either of them mafia tbh and yamato told es to sheep on shockey because she didn't really have time (a recurring theme in the QT). Could they be mafia? probably... but there's a long list of worse people I'd think I actually think the point on eversince might just be wifom. Do people think eversince is town or what's up? I can't recall a single thing they've done this game in all honestly and that's probably not a good spot at this juncture. | ||
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On January 14 2021 11:24 Holyflare wrote: man obi you did roll mafia ?? | ||
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This is the annoying part of the game where people start dropping my name and going "yeah I can see it" and then I get really frustrated and then we lose. Can we not do that? Also if we actually have reasons for saying things that'd be awesome. | ||
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On January 14 2021 12:20 Vivax wrote: This post looks a lot like a bunch of stuff you wouldn't have said if yams didn't call for your lynch. lol | ||
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On January 14 2021 08:18 Holyflare wrote: Why the fuck do you think I'm joking is the real question? I don't "throw things out to see if they stick" I just tell people what my thoughts are. I thought shockey was a trash elim and his power wasn't likely to come from mafia but nobody seems to give a shit. Plz tell me where I've done this so many times to make you so exasperated. I'm eagerly awaiting your reply. Actually looking back I talked to you about this and you said it was pretty wifom and you only jumped off way later? | ||
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Yes, but you agreed with me is the point that I'm making. | ||
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I appreciate you as always. Anyhoezels. I feel like thread sentiment has turned against me here way too easily and I don't really understand why? I'd like to get to the bottom of it but I don't feel like talking to anyone who is currently feeling that way has been especially productive. Hf is not the worst offender and maybe that's a little bit my fault, but yams and wave have nothing so I'm not sure what's going on there. Dnu. I feel like there's more that I can engage HF on to see what's going on but his filter is big so that might not happen until my schedule allows it. | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I'd like to hear what people did last night, please It's pretty obvious that I targeted HF the day before, though I didn't take an action this night. | ||
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Nothing, as I said. I targeted him and did nothing. | ||
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On January 15 2021 05:38 Alakaslam wrote: DANDEL ION CANNOT WIN WITH TOWN. Yeah. Uh. We can lynch him lol. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:17 justanothertownie wrote: Did said action kill him by any Chance? No. I took literally no action. I targeted him the day before and did nothing. | ||
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Because I kind of think he's town and he obviously has a red check on dandel. | ||
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Uh. That Dandel is mafia? lmao what is this | ||
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If there's confusion maybe get him to full claim? But I think it's obvious slam is town and we should probably lynch dandel now. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:22 justanothertownie wrote: Which mafia did not care about at all. Why? I mean he is a decent lynch to fall back on but I am doubtful about him being mafia. A full claim might be in order in that case? Because slam is claiming a different type of check this time around and it's possible mafia just didn't know he could do that. I mean he already checked that people had KP and nobody really cared all that much, or maybe figured that killing active players over a guy nobody was really listening to was a better play. There's a number of things that could have happened tbh. | ||
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Should we have slam full claim? | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok I will take ever off the table for now The surge in activity given the lynch seeming to be between dandel and Obi today gives me hope that for once in my life I'm on the right track Waveu if you don't actually have a case or something here then get off my sack. All that's there is momentum and stuff that you don't like the sound of, but I'm not mafia so unless you have actual points to make then skidaddle. | ||
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On January 15 2021 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think mafia interfered here. There are more unclaimed night actions going around that make more sense to have come from scum I have one in particular in mind. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE DID LAST NIGHT Obi I don't take 'nothing' as an answer That's cool, but the answer is still nothing. I have to target people during dayphase. I can take action at night. I didn't do anything to HF last night. That's pretty much all you need to know outside of my outright fullclaiming. As for Jat's earlier post, I agree. | ||
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Btw, I'm not mafia so either throw a reason as to why I'm mafia or stop throwing my name around because that's annoying. | ||
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On January 15 2021 11:14 Alakaslam wrote: Obi immediately talks about dayphase speculation in a TMI way. As town, why should he think ONLY dandel is why there is a N0??? Because SOMEHOW, he knows SCUM is not the reason! /shrug Idk it was the only reason I could come up with. Was there another reason? Idk maybe. But it just seems so reachy to dwell on so what's the point? | ||
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I don't really believe dandel's claim in the slightest especially since he claimed he never had KP, and he shouldn't have hid the fact that he had KP in the first place so meh. I need other reads, bear with me. | ||
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I get that he has had cases on him all game and I sorta haven't really cared about him for the most part? I've mostly been focused on shockeyy/dandel. I can review the cases against him in a minute since I guess it's relevant at this point but he's definitely not high up on my list right now. | ||
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Vivax hardclaimed some stuff including his role name on day 1 and was never punished. | ||
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You're positive your nuke is real? | ||
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So probably not. | ||
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On January 15 2021 12:44 ghostofconversion wrote: ur focusing an awful lot on this Just hedging my bets here I guess. There has to be a vote before you nuke someone for real yes? | ||
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On January 15 2021 12:50 ghostofconversion wrote: where'd you go obi wan Uh. Nowhere? | ||
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Not that hard to understand. I'm still working on my reads. | ||
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On January 15 2021 12:56 Eversince wrote: Useless for town -> tried to manage this -> decided it's pointless -> ironically isn't top lynch today -> exact prediction happen -> surprise!! Fuck just hang me from the family spruce and put me between my husband and son. What are you even doing right now? Just...stop. :/ | ||
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If that's the case, then do whatever you want. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:13 Tictock wrote: I've said again just to let that shit go and fucking pick a point to read from and play but you just want to moan about it Eversince is Town. Dont lynch Cool - I think that's a pretty good check. | ||
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He could be 3p, but he could also very well be mafia at this point and the more I think about it the less I want him dueling anyone. I don't think it's Jat - long story short it's sort of based on meta but I think Jat is too direct to be scum. I think the last one has to be Waveu - there's pretty much nobody else left after ES comes back town and we believe TT. I'm somehow not really surprised either - dude has been marinating me all game even despite hf/jat telling him his case was bad back on day 1. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:40 Vivax wrote: Can you explain Slams role to me because according to your filter you've read it and think he's town and that you understand how his role works? You also said at some point that you have been focusing on Dandel but really all you did was say that you thought he was scum because you believed Slam to be town. /shrug I simply don't really think Slam is mafia - I think Slam is a pretty straightforward player after all the chupazis and hijoles and stuff, and simply claims what he has when he has it. I simply don't really see a world where slam claims his red check when he doesn't need to as mafia. Plus dandel lied about having KP, and only claimed his KP after he came back red. Most likely as a last resort. @waveu - there you go with the marinating again. As I've said before, if you have no real points to make, don't bother you just look bad saying stuff like that. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:41 Eversince wrote: I have a soft spot for wave ( and few other old schoolers here) but I'm not buying Wave. Vivax more likely but no filter so ignore because it's most meta stuff. I get it, but I'm not mafia and waveu is pretty much the only one left. I also don't really think Jat is mafia. Is there a particular reason you don't want wave? I'll need more than this I'm afraid. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think you know what 'marinating' means W/e you've been calling me mafia all game for next to no reason so you can go step on a lego. | ||
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On January 15 2021 13:49 Vivax wrote: But Slam wanted to lynch Dandel before he (Slam) claimed, even. It just seems like your read on Slam lacks a healthy degree of skepticism and him being straightforward as a player is not a read nor a reason for one. Sure, maybe. But do you really think that Slam goes for a 1 for 1 for no real gain there? If he has a second check there, in your mind, where else does he look if he can't get the support for the lynch he wants? Where else would you expect him to look and what else would you be expecting him to do? I get that there's the concept that there should be skepticism, but what is there to be skeptical of in this case? I feel like there's so much pointing towards dandel being mafia and a few things pointing to slam not being mafia, and I kinda feel like it's obvious at this point. I think the only thing I can think of pointing to slam maybe being mafia is flipping a read on me for poor reasoning, but that can't be right from your perspective because you think I'm mafia for the same thing, so ??? | ||
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On January 15 2021 14:02 Vivax wrote: What poor reasoning? You were the first to react to Dandel claiming the election thingy. And you somehow knew he wasn't lying EVEN BEFORE HAPA SAID THE ABILITY HAD BEEN ACTIVATED. You were so sure it was real that you inferred the only reason for a N0 was his role. But you didn't vote for it asap or accuse him for it because you were unsure what it would make you look like for everyone else, which is your only concern this game. /shrug I don't see what the point of considering him a liar is at that point, nor do I see why it matters? Nor do I see the point of why I can't just take that idea back later? This is an incredibly mediocre point to push. I really, really don't think Vivax is 3p here and I think he basically needs this duel to go through because he has no other real options. Vote Vivax pls. :x | ||
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On January 16 2021 00:22 Alakaslam wrote: That is exactly why there is so much WIFOM now though dude. You’re a 3P claim. There is no guarantee that there is 3P. I have CAUGHT DANDEL. This shit couldn’t wait for tomorrow? Oh, of course not- you have to save your scum mate! Yeah seriously. Btw, what kind of 3p has a dueling ability at all? That doesn't make any sense lmao. | ||
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On January 16 2021 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean at least the tension is real here now We still almost certainly all agree to hit obi and win or lose based on that, and it'll be exciting If he used it on dandel like a good boy we would have all afked until tomorrow Uh. No? I'm not the one saving confirmed mafia here lmao. | ||
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Why does TT claim cop here if he's mafia? I think he also falls into the same category I do where people just kind of constantly throw his name down and expect him to be mafia, and then are ultimately surprised when he doesn't flip mafia. | ||
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Jat has a nasty tendency to get stuck in tunnels sometimes which is a little bit more likely than waveu just kind of writing me off for extremely poor reasoning. | ||
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A claimed 3p protecting confirmed scum on mylo is legitimately awful and is really just grounds for a lynch. I don't understand why he doesn't have like 10 million votes rn. Why 3p has a dueling ability, which is practically against their wincon, I do not know. I think the real damning thing here is that Vivax is just so much smarter than this as town. I think he's actually one of the few people who can legitimately townread me while a large number of people really struggle with that and he just kind of wrote me off based on something that's actually really easily explained. Even if he had some kind of dueling ability as 3p, I feel like he'd defer way more towards town rather than latching on to some gimmicky nonsense. Like I want people to legitimately write out why they think I'm scum so I can talk to them about it. Even if I'm wrong on someone here I'm sure I can figure it out, but this whole constantly throw my name down and that makes me scum even though it's not backed by anything is just bad and needs to be rethought. | ||
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On January 16 2021 00:48 justanothertownie wrote: ??? In what tunnel am I stuck again? If there is any it has got to be dandel. I may be overstating it but I kind feel like you may be stuck on me, not dandel, though maybe I'm reading into thread sentiment too much and thinking the world is against me. Idk. I'm fine with dandel being dead as well and have no issue with you thinking that. | ||
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On January 16 2021 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: I literally said I have no reason to scumread you but poe. That's nice and all but I'm not mafia, so obviously there's some kind of issue somewhere that needs to be addressed. | ||
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Sure. Just ftr, your poe list is narrowed down to me and TT because you think waveu is confirmed town, correct? | ||
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I was thinking something about wave but now that I'm pressed I actually don't think as strongly about it since I think I may have misread something. Waveu explain to me how your role works one more time just for lulz? | ||
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Do you have the ability to redirect actions? | ||
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That's actually a stupid question now that I think about it. I thought Wave killed HF with the QT power but that doesn't make any sense now that I'm forced to type it out, unless he has the ability to redirect roles as well which seems broken. | ||
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Like...Vivax saved confirmed scum to duel me based on one post from n0. Why does 3p have a dueling ability? Use your brains. There's a third scum in this game that I'm having trouble finding and work starts in 15 minutes, so I doubt I'll be able to take a second look until tonight. I guess I have to look into TT again based on that fact and I put that off because I wanted to take his claim at face value. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:00 WaveofShadow wrote: He explained why he has a dueling ability And it makes sense Also for the record dandel was not confirmed scum Its a small detail Problem here is my buddeh, you've given me no reason to rethink anything. The only time you have been present and put forth effort this game is when you are perceived to be under the potential chopping block. Your attempts to figure out this game, while at first glance appear earnest, unfortunately due to the number of confirmations leaves you with very few options, so it really just leaves you grasping at straws. At some point maybe I CBA to look through your filter but I wonder how much you had to say about Vivax before this. I tried to lynch Vivax d1 and people said that was bad. Actually I think people have shot me down pretty much any time I tried to do anything. I get that my efforts were somewhat meh early on, especially during day 2, but the reality of it is that everything I said about Vivax, ESPECIALLY TODAY, is true, and I think people are discounting that shockeyy never really gave anyone much of anything. Your points about me not trying really aren't relevant since I was happy with shockeyy being lynched and I also voted GB, even though both votes wound up being bad. Dandel is most definitely confirmed scum at this point and I don't see how you can say that's not really the case anymore, especially since Vivax dueled me way after the fact? | ||
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Especially since I'm such a frequent target most of the time - I think I have a lot of experience in this scenario so I think taking my word here might be worth more than you think. I get the effort point but that really only seems to apply on day 2, where shockeyy was being lynched, but I was okay with that so what's the point of overdoing stuff when I already have what I want? Plus, I have given you reasons as to why Vivax is mafia - you can't just say "you didn't try hard enough" when most of those reasons came at pretty much the only time he did anything, and I don't see anyone actually disputing the points that I raised. | ||
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On January 16 2021 02:29 ghostofconversion wrote: I mean I can see a world where 3P!Vivax sees 0 votes on Dandel, thinks town is going to waffle and lose the game, rereads the thread and forces a vote between him and his scummiest read, where he does not believe Slam's claim and Dandel is a town player with reverse KP I don't see a world where M!Vivax decides to use his power before I'm dead and with 24+ hours to go to force a lynch between him and +1. The best use of this power is to do it when I'm dead, and slam it on himself and another person with a smaller amount of time to discuss to try and force a mislynch. M!Vivax, if he's smart, would have waited to confirm my nuke is actually real to see if I get removed from the game, then try to run down the clock with disorganized town to force the MYLO with a smaller amount of time left I think everyone has written you off as dead already, and I think basing your logic on someone thinking you won't be dead is, uh, not good. I also get the planning ideas but, really, analyze what he's actually doing rather than the plan behind it because that's the most important part - you can't just side with someone when they're objectively scummy and doing objectively scummy and antitown things "because it's a bad idea as mafia." The power simply shouldn't have been used and the fact that he just did it without anyone's explicit agreement while saving confirmed mafia on what is essentially mylo should be ringing serious alarm bells. | ||
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On January 16 2021 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: What a coward. lol Kind of glad he's dead but that's for purely greedy reasons. Go vote Vivax plx. | ||
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On January 16 2021 06:15 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay honestly very good role writing there it trolls exactly until nobody believes you anymore when you get serious. + Show Spoiler + rip convo ![[image loading]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/731/cover2.jpg){kind=icon} Guess we'll go flip coins on whether Vivax chose well, it's convenient when somebody else has to do the work for you and nothing you do matters ##Vote: Obiwanshinobi lol | ||
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I am being voted by confirmed mafia so if that doesn't really sway anyone I don't know what will. | ||
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On January 16 2021 06:47 justanothertownie wrote: I won't claim my role name. But I guess I can tell you the rest. I am basically VT now if I am not mistaken. I can fake nuke once per day and if I do that I can pardon someone once per game. But the pardon only works until MYLO/Lylo. So if we are in MYLO now I am powerless except for fake nukes. I think a pardoner is an extremely anti town role and I would basically never use it. I could have in Shockey case but I thought he was mafia and imagine me pardoning Shockey and we still mislynch. Then the game is truly fucked. I like how Jat has a role that can really torpedo a ton of stuff and he doesn't just use it to torpedo a bunch of stuff like Vivax did. Take notes - this is how town plays. | ||
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Am I biased? Obviously. But I think that highlighting the difference in mentalities here is important. | ||
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On January 16 2021 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait I havent given this a ton of thought. Is this MYLO now? Do we have to lynch Vivax? Yes and yes. | ||
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On January 16 2021 08:11 Vivax wrote: If Obi's town here he'd be trying way too hard for someone who should know that his faction loses no matter who gets lynched today. Scum is all in. Uh this doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On January 16 2021 09:44 WaveofShadow wrote: On a scale of one to mad How mad be If u swing by the neck newayz I would be perturbed miffed agitated vexed irate cross displeased irked and quite frankly aggrieved. I was under the impression that this game hinged on my survival here based on how things turned out so dying for lulz would be a sad time. | ||
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On January 16 2021 10:32 Vivax wrote: It's simple really. It's a matter of mindset (Obis) to figure out he's scum. If you are town and have a sufficient amount of brains it should be obvious that I am what I claim to be. I really went into this game starting N0 knowing that with my role my best play is to admit I'm 3p. I didn't sneak around that at all and first thing I did is promise I'd claim. Let's say you're Obi. If you're town, my alignment should be relevant to you before it gets this far. You know that if you get dueled, town loses no matter what, if conversion dies. Before I dueled him, he should have done everything in his power to sway me, knowing that if he couldn't convince me, town would lose. And after the duel, he should know that town lost. Instead he outed himself because he did what scum does in this situation: He needs to convince town that I'm not third party, and start playing for real. From a mindset where he's town and I'm third party, which I believe he claimed to have (or at least behaved accordingly because I don't remember him gunning for me ever previously) before I became a threat to him, he should be somewhat...mad? I just doomed town to a loss after all. "Blah blah blah I made an objectively bad play and that makes Obi mafia because I went and stuffed my head into a toaster." You did this off of one post from n0 and said I didn't sway you based off of that, not even acknowledging that confirmed mafia would be spared thanks to your objectively bad play. | ||
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I wanted you day 1 and mostly left you alone because other people said you were a bad lynch. I started questioning your existence again on day 3 because shockeyy got lynched and obviously he wasn't mafia, so I needed to rethink things. I don't see anywhere you've even pointed out where any of this was unnatural other than the fact that I was less concerned about a 3p rather than other people I legitimately thought were mafia. There is simply no way you make a play this blatantly antitown as 3p so you are pretty much confirmed mafia. And that's not even getting into your dandel read, which is ignoring the fact that he lied about KP and has proceeded to do absolutely nothing even after being red checked which you have completely written off for no discernable reason. "He isn't conscientious" is such nonsense. What, he isn't trying to post well on purpose? | ||
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On January 16 2021 11:24 Vivax wrote: Don't make me laugh. This guy can't even keep his story straight because he goes back in his own filter but only reads the first post to say he wanted to lynch me then forgets to read the next post. /shrug Claiming I thought you claimed scum and then reneging that read because you didn't, then opting to make a lynch I thought was sort of okay based on both cycles when the gamestate was unclear never meant that I thought that Plus, I was still under the impression that I may have been scum based on my dandel role pm as opposed to the one I received from Hapa so I didn't really know what to do. Not really all that confusing when you think about it. Nor do I see what's weird about it. Nice try though - have to reach for something at this point. I think you really backed yourself into a corner and were hoping to ride thread sentiment to a safe victory and I don't think you were really expecting me to do anything other than roll over and die. If you were somehow 3p I think you would have coordinated and planned better but that simply hasn't happened in the slightest. | ||
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On January 16 2021 11:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Claiming I thought you claimed scum and then reneging that read because you didn't, then opting to make a lynch I thought was sort of okay based on both cycles when the gamestate was unclear never meant that I thought that you were town or even that I thought you were a bad lynch in the real Hapa game - merely that you were the safest option at a time where I had no idea what to do because I received confliction role PMs based on me misreading something. Should be better now. | ||
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Another edit. I actually didn't see anything in the OP that said if I can or can't pedit like that so if I broke a rule or something, my bad. I haven't played here in years. | ||
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On January 16 2021 11:42 Tictock wrote: This post gave me modivation to open Vivax's filter and see if he seemed to think this before the duel as well, but that was inconclusive. I did reread these though Which to me doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but I could see this being Vivax's legit thinking here. Clearly though It has to be either Vivax/Dandel/+1 here or Vivax is 3P. I also liked these Right after using the duel ability. These really read like Vivax isn't sure, not like he is pushing Obi because he Needs Obi to die today for the win. These posts are easily faked as mafia tbh - nothing in there is particularly special or enlightening or exclusively from town. Btw, if Vivax wasn't sure then he should have waited for people to talk to him about what he was doing. And none of this really erases the fact that he saved confirmed mafia from today's lynch by doing this. NEVER FORGET that the reason we're not all enjoying our weekend is because Vivax dueled me instead of letting us put dandel out to pasture. | ||
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On January 16 2021 16:06 Eversince wrote: You know I keep hoping I'll eventually be caught up. I've realized it's never going to happen. This shit fighting is one of the reasons. Why spend 10 pages saying 'other guy scum!' Make case-> rebuttal-> ?? I think I'm chance it. Vivax, blast some meme videos for me! If I just lost *shrug*.. My ability to play this game was gone almost a week ago r.r.. Conversely, prove Vivax is scum not 3p. He saved confirmed mafia with his role on mylo. Also his reasoning is nitpicky and bad. I feel like I've said this ad nauseum but you know. | ||
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And thanks to Vivax, we can't lynch him. They're both mafia. | ||
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On January 16 2021 16:51 Eversince wrote: I've said as much for the entire game. Ok, I'm clueless to be honest. Your both scummy to me for reasons everyone else has already rehashed for the cycle. Except nobody gave any reasons that I'm scummy. Vivax posted one thing about n0 which already been disproven and shown to be bad in yet here we are. | ||
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Anyways. I am going to bed. I will be on tomorrow intermittently but I think this lynch kind of speaks for itself at this point, and I see so little as to why there's this much confusion over it. | ||
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Just a minor consolidation of my current thoughts as to what's going on: I think Jat's town because of some meta stuff and because of proper role use. I think TT is town because he fell into the same basket as me early and I've never been particularly swayed by the cases on him. I think he had a pretty good cop check that actually helps us out considerably and he outed it at a time that saved us a lot of trouble. Sure, there's always a chance that they're both mafia but Vivax's play doesn't make sense if they are, and TT seems kinda town outside of his claim today anyways. Slam is town and I have seen absolutely nothing to not believe that. I think Waveu is being not so smart and I think he's resisting this lynch way too much - could easily be last scum, even if nothing else due to PoE. Dandel and Vivax are the other two for obvious reasons at this point. And in case it's relevant, conversion's thoughts on the situation aren't good because they don't assess anyone's play and just assume that someone playing badly makes them town. I'll be away from most of today unfortunately, but I'll be lurking about close to deadline if I need to claim. | ||
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On January 17 2021 01:36 justanothertownie wrote: You should claim anyways to be honest... Only if I have to. | ||
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On January 17 2021 01:40 Eversince wrote: I must be a ugly chicken.. I didn't make the list *.* You are cop checked and fall into the town pile because of it. | ||
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I have a healing power that I have to target people with during the day, and I can heal all my targets at once by using it at night. I targeted HF on night 2 but didn’t use it because it sounded like he already had protection. I pretty much have no use for my power now since I think wos is mafia so he’ll just redirect whoever I target and kill them. I was hoping to avoid claiming on the off chance vivax is 3p and do a hero save but there’s no point now. | ||
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Vivax defended confirmed mafia and got away with it because people don’t see scum motivation in what he did. This game is an excellent example of why I retired in the first place. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On January 17 2021 05:52 Hapahauli wrote: I actually didn't have a plan for what would happen if I got lynched. I assumed that the playerlist was too try-hard to go there. lol I may actually keep this sort of thing in mind later. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On January 18 2021 08:00 Alakaslam wrote: Part of the reason I’m essentially pulling a conversion after this is that this game has had it dawn on me that I can literally be a cop with a redcheck and 1. Not be enough of a priority to shoot or save 2. Not be able to convince a town to lynch my target and 3. Garner suspicion for this Clearly, this game is not for me. If mechanics can’t make up for my apparent lack of skill... *and 2b. This across multiple days. **and 4. All this in a game where people are saying it was heavily town favored when not one mafia was lynched. *** and about 4... please explain how a game with I literally hit my check and could not lynch my target, largely due to those mechanics. The check also took two cycles to form, so you can’t weight my role as a full cop. WoS and others I can’t remember made baller saves, but those could have also snowballed to tons of extra KP. There were basically two bad lynches iirc, which were GB and ShoCkeyy. Odds of Vivax hitting scum with his role: generally 1 in about 3 tbh. Even when the odds were reduced to 50:50, he obviously missed at my behest. When he SR me too. People don’t take into account the power of lacking knowledge when they talk balance. I think this one was balanced well. Town played... either like shit or amazingly well, depending where you look, scum played normally and used dandel’s mechanics and shrouding their intent with those well to execute flawless victory. Props, but don’t then claim it was THAT much of an uphill battle before you imagine having an SR all game that you Just Cant Lynch Albeit I pointed out that was RP, it wasn’t too long before I meant every last bit of it- and still wasn’t certain! Tbf, dandel not getting lynched was 100% because of vivax. We were lynching him before that happened. Honestly this game is a pretty solid reminder of why I left in the first place lmao. | ||
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