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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
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January 11 2021 13:42 GMT
#1239
On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic

We should absolutely be talking about you. If you are mafia then the lynch yesterday is a lot more important than if you are town. Your alignment is a crucial piece of the puzzle.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 13:43 GMT
#1240
On January 11 2021 22:41 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic

I agree this discussion feels like we're still talking about Dandel's role and I really want that thread of discussion to die immediately.

Shockey is absolutely mafia.

The best thing would be if HFs thing is real and shockey gets vigged. Otherwise he is definitely on the table for lynch.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 13:49 GMT
#1246
On January 11 2021 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 11 2021 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic

We should absolutely be talking about you. If you are mafia then the lynch yesterday is a lot more important than if you are town. Your alignment is a crucial piece of the puzzle.

I mean not from my perspective.
If we want to lynch Dandel I'm totally fine with that based on role alone, it seems pretty anti town, but I don't think there's anything else to learn from my perspective on the 'alignment change' despite the fact that hf thinks he nailed the scum team

I'm way more inclined to listen to anything yamato has said than HF because so far everything hf has said has been completely wrong

I think JAT is trying to associate between you and HF for how the lynch played out

Yeah, why wouldn't I? If Wave is scum there is a clear motivation in switching to GB.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 13:52 GMT
#1248
I mean it doesn't necessarily have to be HF but I think it is quite obvious that Waves alignment is important when discussing our day1, yes?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 13:58 GMT
#1253
On January 11 2021 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On January 11 2021 22:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic

We should absolutely be talking about you. If you are mafia then the lynch yesterday is a lot more important than if you are town. Your alignment is a crucial piece of the puzzle.

I mean not from my perspective.
If we want to lynch Dandel I'm totally fine with that based on role alone, it seems pretty anti town, but I don't think there's anything else to learn from my perspective on the 'alignment change' despite the fact that hf thinks he nailed the scum team

I'm way more inclined to listen to anything yamato has said than HF because so far everything hf has said has been completely wrong

I think JAT is trying to associate between you and HF for how the lynch played out

Yeah, why wouldn't I? If Wave is scum there is a clear motivation in switching to GB.

That's fair but also immediately obvious. I guess a gamble HF would make if we were both scum but imo only if.

Again from my perspective it makes him most likely town because switching from a higher value target to GB for seemingly no reason and drawing attention to himself on the flip seems like bad play.

Well, sometimes stuff is just immediately obvious.
You are in a unique position - if you are town you are at an advantage compared to the rest of us. That is why it is important to talk about you and for you to keep playing the game if you are. That's all I was saying.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 14:01 GMT
#1254
On January 11 2021 22:57 yamato77 wrote:
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On January 11 2021 22:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean it doesn't necessarily have to be HF but I think it is quite obvious that Waves alignment is important when discussing our day1, yes?

Yeah I have a flimsy townread on him because of his secondary reads post.

There's also the fact that he's one of the more central figures in the game and thus much less likely to be mafia overall than a tertiary player like Shockey/TickTock/Obi.

I get your point about his lynch not really taking off but I also think that D1 was such a mess that it doesn't necessarily have to mean that mafia were avoiding his wagon on purpose. That is, assuming you aren't mafia and joined on with me/hf

Then we are on the same page. Cool.
IF we decide Wave is towny enough for now then some of the people who seem detached (the ones you mentioned for example) are very likely mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 14:25 GMT
#1276
On January 11 2021 23:21 Holyflare wrote:
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On January 11 2021 23:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:16 Holyflare wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
2 3Ps that get removed from the game potentially d1/d2 in a 13 player game means the game would be over at day 2 basically.

?

At the earliest he is removed after d4 though?


3 vs 2 vs 8

one ml and one nk and you getting removed from the game day 1 = a day 2 that's:

3 vs 1 vs 6

one ml one nk and vivax removed from the game

3 vs 0 vs 4

that's without any other kp (which we know GB's qt stuff provides) and any other nuke so game could even be over sooner than d3 at that rate

Vivax claimed he needed 5 points, being on a lynch gave him 1 and using his glad ability 2.

At the earliest he can win and be removed by d4.

from the way my role works I think it sounds like around d4/n4 is the point where the game is supposed to end so it makes a lot of sense to me.


He gets 2 points for being on the counter wagon and one point for voting a leading wagon and needs 5 to leave. If he gets 3 points a day then he leaves d2. If he can only get 2 then he leaves day 3.

I guess it could maybe be legit that there's 2 3Ps but we'll see when you full reveal I guess.

I guess the important question here is can we make him (Vivax) confirm his claim before MYLO/LYLO. In that case we can just ignore him until then. I can see 2 3Ps at max tbh. depending on the size of the mafia team/s but if there are any more claims we really need to lynch into them.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 14:27 GMT
#1277
On January 11 2021 23:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On January 11 2021 23:21 Holyflare wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:16 Holyflare wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
2 3Ps that get removed from the game potentially d1/d2 in a 13 player game means the game would be over at day 2 basically.

?

At the earliest he is removed after d4 though?


3 vs 2 vs 8

one ml and one nk and you getting removed from the game day 1 = a day 2 that's:

3 vs 1 vs 6

one ml one nk and vivax removed from the game

3 vs 0 vs 4

that's without any other kp (which we know GB's qt stuff provides) and any other nuke so game could even be over sooner than d3 at that rate

Vivax claimed he needed 5 points, being on a lynch gave him 1 and using his glad ability 2.

At the earliest he can win and be removed by d4.

from the way my role works I think it sounds like around d4/n4 is the point where the game is supposed to end so it makes a lot of sense to me.


He gets 2 points for being on the counter wagon and one point for voting a leading wagon and needs 5 to leave. If he gets 3 points a day then he leaves d2. If he can only get 2 then he leaves day 3.

I guess it could maybe be legit that there's 2 3Ps but we'll see when you full reveal I guess.


Am I missing another part of his claim? I'm going off this which, again, d4 at the earliest.
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On January 10 2021 18:16 Vivax wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:21 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax what does +1ing a a lynch mean?


I need to be on the wagon with the most votes at the end of the day, then I get a point towards my wincon of 5 points. If I duel someone in the first phase of the day the lynch is between us two and if I survive I get +2 instead. Can only do this once. I'm essentially a shitty survivor who has to do something.

And I just want to note I heavily empathize with his last sentence there.

Ok, so HFs math is off. The point accumulation might be too slow.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 14:41 GMT
#1290
On January 11 2021 23:39 yamato77 wrote:
Maybe JAT dies, I'd be kinda happy if that happens

rude
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 17:00 GMT
#1320
On January 12 2021 01:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On January 11 2021 18:07 Tictock wrote:
Like Dandel's alignment is totally up in the air, I could see him being anything right now

But the actual way his shit works is super fucking clear to me, I don't get why nobody else sees it.


That's the problem, his role caused chaos, and help mafia get an up on town.

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On January 11 2021 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
On January 11 2021 21:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 11 2021 21:39 Holyflare wrote:
On January 11 2021 21:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
On January 11 2021 20:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
I still think there's a bigger than 50% chance wave is mafia and knew that the Dandel thing would not happen (whether because he's mafia with Dandel or assumed because Dandel is not mafia). I don't think he goes around threatening to ruin the entire game without that knowledge.


There’s still a 50% chance GB can come back from the dead. You know the guy you just lynched.


I was wrong. So what?


What makes you not think you’re wrong on wave?


Because I choose to believe that Wave is probably not a dick and wouldn't chance ruining game integrity.

I already explained as well why there was basically no way that game got ruined anyway.

I'm not going to defend myself again against you when you yourself randomly took everyone off my lynch to mislynch GB

Also I'm not a huge fan of using potential mod info for this sort of thing but it kinda played out that way.


I mean, you didn't explain that. We could have all magically started voting hapa and confirmed you mafia and you ruined a potential game for two other people. So, there's that.

I don't see what me taking people off you to vote GB has anything to do with it.

You're also being very granular, this is nothing to do with you. It's Shockey that's asking me a question and you should be grilling him for potentially your alignment and chainsaw defending you (as well as already doing that for GB).

Why is he even aggrevated that we voted GB?


I'm aggrevated because ya'll mislynched a town, and one of you obviously knew it. I'm betting it's you HF.

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On January 11 2021 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:41 yamato77 wrote:
On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic

I agree this discussion feels like we're still talking about Dandel's role and I really want that thread of discussion to die immediately.

Shockey is absolutely mafia.

The best thing would be if HFs thing is real and shockey gets vigged. Otherwise he is definitely on the table for lynch.


HF thing isn't real. He's mafia. 100%. I'm convinced mafia is Conversion + HF.

HF just throwing shit to see who eats it, and there's so many who eat HF's shit. He got GB lynched so easily, I'm certain that's why town GB stopped trying. I'm basically gunning it for HF all day.

That has to be the dumbest shit I read in a while. No offense.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 17:03 GMT
#1323
Like we switch to gb at the last minute but gb gave up because of HF pushing him. Did you even read day1?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 17:13 GMT
#1337
This really is gold.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 17:32 GMT
#1344
On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:
The Case for TickTock

TickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However:

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On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.

I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.

Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.

I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.

Oh and townfeels for Sho.

and bedtime for myself


His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent.

Next:

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On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.

Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.

Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.

Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.

So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.

However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD.


This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he?

He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum.

After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread:

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On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it.

It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik

The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power

The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment

Still. What this is causing just looks like scum.

You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop?

I guess you could...

Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather!


What makes you think this game has roles like that?

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On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:
On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned.


People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime.

Vote hapa and Jat is free win.


Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed.

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On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.

I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you


Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important?

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On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch


Did I miss something?

Are you being attacked?

Blink twice if you need help.


Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out.
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On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.

I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.

I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).

The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.

A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.

I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff).

A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks.

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On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.

##Vote: Holyflare

Just covering my bases.


How is this ever his vote in this spot?

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On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?

Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.

There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy.

If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative.

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On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear

I can consolidate on a null read.

Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real

This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before.

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On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:
On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.


Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.

At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'

Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.

I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.

There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,

I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol


Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate.

I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here.

From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day.

One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it.

Take that as you will.

Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint.

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On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.

On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.

The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.

The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p

TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role.

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On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion


On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion

You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes?


Yes, but why does he count others and not mine?

Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone?


I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading?


Uhh...

I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia.

Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy.

He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation.

I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts.

Ok, I finally got around to reading this.

The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 18:08 GMT
#1353
On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On January 12 2021 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:
The Case for TickTock

TickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However:

On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.

I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.

Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.

I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.

Oh and townfeels for Sho.

and bedtime for myself


His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent.

Next:

On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.

Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.

Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.

Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.

So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.

However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD.


This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he?

He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum.

After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread:

On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it.

It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik

The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power

The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment

Still. What this is causing just looks like scum.

You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop?

I guess you could...

Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather!


What makes you think this game has roles like that?

On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:
On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned.


People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime.

Vote hapa and Jat is free win.


Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed.

On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.

I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you


Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important?

On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch


Did I miss something?

Are you being attacked?

Blink twice if you need help.


Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out.
On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.

I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.

I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).

The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.

A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.

I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff).

A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks.

On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.

##Vote: Holyflare

Just covering my bases.


How is this ever his vote in this spot?

On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?

Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.

There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy.

If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative.

On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear

I can consolidate on a null read.

Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real

This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before.

On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:
On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.


Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.

At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'

Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.

I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.

There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,

I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol


Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate.

I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here.

From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day.

One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it.

Take that as you will.

Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint.

On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.

On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.

The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.

The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p

TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role.

On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion


On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion

You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes?


Yes, but why does he count others and not mine?

Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone?


I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading?


Uhh...

I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia.

Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy.

He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation.

I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts.

Ok, I finally got around to reading this.

The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now.

I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns

Yeah, but this is also a personality thing. Are you saying ticktock is like you in this regard? I don't remember his playstyle very well.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 18:16 GMT
#1354
On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On January 12 2021 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:
The Case for TickTock

TickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However:

On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.

I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.

Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.

I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.

Oh and townfeels for Sho.

and bedtime for myself


His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent.

Next:

On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.

Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.

Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.

Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.

So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.

However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD.


This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he?

He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum.

After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread:

On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it.

It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik

The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power

The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment

Still. What this is causing just looks like scum.

You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop?

I guess you could...

Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather!


What makes you think this game has roles like that?

On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:
On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned.


People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime.

Vote hapa and Jat is free win.


Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed.

On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.

I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you


Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important?

On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch


Did I miss something?

Are you being attacked?

Blink twice if you need help.


Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out.
On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.

I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.

I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).

The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.

A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.

I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff).

A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks.

On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.

##Vote: Holyflare

Just covering my bases.


How is this ever his vote in this spot?

On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?

Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.

There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy.

If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative.

On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear

I can consolidate on a null read.

Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real

This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before.

On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:
On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.


Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.

At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'

Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.

I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.

There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,

I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol


Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate.

I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here.

From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day.

One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it.

Take that as you will.

Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint.

On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.

On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.

The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.

The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p

TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role.

On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion


On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion

You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes?


Yes, but why does he count others and not mine?

Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone?


I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading?


Uhh...

I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia.

Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy.

He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation.

I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts.

Ok, I finally got around to reading this.

The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now.

I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns

Yeah, but that is also a personality thing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 18:17 GMT
#1355
Ok, wtf. My internet went out and now this got posted from me writing up earlier. Sorry!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 18:26 GMT
#1357
If we didn't already have 2 somewhat believable 3P claims I would entertain the thought of a jester here.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 20:14 GMT
#1373
Not bad :D
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 20:22 GMT
#1384
On January 12 2021 05:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
WTF IS GOING ON

Is the game not going your way?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
January 11 2021 20:33 GMT
#1398
On January 12 2021 05:32 Alakaslam wrote:
C’mon get out of the QT and talk in the game thread.

For the 3 who aren’t in there: yes a bunch of people now have a QT like 9 of us

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