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On January 11 2021 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I wanna shoot somebodyyy
Something very weird happened here though. Dandel is the one who created our QT and called it the mafia QT.
Surely it's Gb who made it though no? Or Dandel corrupted it somehow? We were definitely not told any of the info in GBs role pm That makes 0 sense. Well it's exactly as I said. Either its a big coincidence and GB didn't make our QT and Dandel used his role to do something Or GB made it and Dandel obscured info from us Either of my qt mates can confirm
Well did Dandel send the qt? Then it is probably not from GB.
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On January 11 2021 11:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I still dont like Dandel, his ability did nothing for the thread other than get a townie lynched.
His ability had absolutely nothing to do with the lynch.
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On January 11 2021 14:46 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 02:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If you think that today isn't real why would you have any hard stances on anyone?
Literally all of today is pointless outside of n0. -.- Today is very much real. You just have to ignore dandels shennanigans. What is so complicated about this? I too do not know why this was so hard, but you also thought my in thread vote on HF was somehow real so he got you too.
I do not check the voting thread every time someone votes in thread... come on.
On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p
Well, removing yourself from the lynch is one thing. Forcing a mislynch is something different. His ability was at most disruptive. But that is more people fault than Dandels in my opinion.
On January 11 2021 16:28 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Another reason obi could be scum btw I forgot to mention
Both tictock and I used the replace host thing on dandel
Which presumably meant nothing but he still used his ability on us, but obi never did
Adding scummate to spy on us?
(probably not cause he himself could see the qt. Bleh) I think if Dandel is in fact scum it would make a lot of sense for him to make a scum QT with 2 town and 1 mafia. If Dandel is town or 3P though it would be either just whatever names he picked it straight RNG. I suppose he might RNG as scum too but more likely he tries to plant a teammate. If that is the case Obi is more likely since he was the only one of us to not want to let the game know he was "scum" I mean, I didn't claim it like Wave but literally the first thing I did was hint at it pretty strongly.
Someone (might have been wave) already figured out that Dandel did not have to put any scummates in there since he probably could read the qt himself.
In essence I do not think all of this makes Dandel mafia at all. We should wait and see what he contributes now that he is back and judge accordingly.
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On January 11 2021 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
To explain my thoughts on JAT in more detail:
He seems to be falling in line with thread sentiment a lot without much of his own apparent thought process.
His post-sheep work justifying a vote on Wave is unconvincing in particular. His lack of reasoning behind a GB vote is even more frustrating. I see him cite meta reasons at one point, a point of contention that I did not think was a driving factor behind the case on GB.
Right now my top 3 scumreads are Shockey, TickTock, and JAT, and the common denominator to me is how they acted around the GB vote. Shockey's voting makes no sense if he's town, and Ticktock/JAT sheeped a bit too willingly for my tastes.
What do you mean post-sheep? I was the first vote on Wave. It is sad that you forgot how I play that much btw.
Very decent posts otherwise.
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On January 11 2021 17:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 20:22 justanothertownie wrote:
I would be interested in that reason right now. The conversion stuff also does not really convince me. The fakenuke on yamato was a decent choice for example. I also really, strongly dislike this line of reasoning. I said exactly why I believe otherwise already, and this reads like a fabricated reason to townread someone that you already know is town. I also believe he doesn't elaborate much on this point. Why is fakenuking me at that point in the game a pro-town move? If anything it sidetracked me at a point in time where I was actually interested in the game. Later he posts this: Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 02:12 justanothertownie wrote:
I obviously knew my nuke was a dud, which is also why I assume conversion knew that about his.
I just didn't want Wave to be able to hide behind a claimed 3p. I also still think we should not lynch Vivax since his claim seemed genuine to me. If we are ever in doubt we can still kill him and if there are actual town KP he also wouldn't be a terrible shot but for now he is not a priority to me. I agree in principle with his reasoning for faking a nuke on Vivax but I disagree with its equivalence to faking a nuke on me. I think JAT obviously had a similar role (maybe a copycat role, even, but that is idle speculation) and used his in a way he believes is pro town, but I do not think that he could really think that Conversion's nuke on me was pro town, especially given that he said it was a bad nuke if it was real. The difference is not that large in effect.
It is though. Yamato we both know you sometimes need a little incitement to actually play the game. That is why fake nuking you is a pro town move in my book while actually nuking you would have been terrible. Now this by itself certainly doesn't make conversion town but in a vacuum it is a good thing.
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On January 11 2021 17:18 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 17:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 14:46 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 02:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If you think that today isn't real why would you have any hard stances on anyone?
Literally all of today is pointless outside of n0. -.- Today is very much real. You just have to ignore dandels shennanigans. What is so complicated about this? I too do not know why this was so hard, but you also thought my in thread vote on HF was somehow real so he got you too. I do not check the voting thread every time someone votes in thread... come on. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p Well, removing yourself from the lynch is one thing. Forcing a mislynch is something different. His ability was at most disruptive. But that is more people fault than Dandels in my opinion. On January 11 2021 16:28 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Another reason obi could be scum btw I forgot to mention
Both tictock and I used the replace host thing on dandel
Which presumably meant nothing but he still used his ability on us, but obi never did
Adding scummate to spy on us?
(probably not cause he himself could see the qt. Bleh) I think if Dandel is in fact scum it would make a lot of sense for him to make a scum QT with 2 town and 1 mafia. If Dandel is town or 3P though it would be either just whatever names he picked it straight RNG. I suppose he might RNG as scum too but more likely he tries to plant a teammate. If that is the case Obi is more likely since he was the only one of us to not want to let the game know he was "scum" I mean, I didn't claim it like Wave but literally the first thing I did was hint at it pretty strongly. Someone (might have been wave)[b already figured out that Dandel did not have to put any scummates in there since he probably could read the qt himself. In essence I do not think all of this makes Dandel mafia at all. We should wait and see what he contributes now that he is back and judge accordingly. Wait. 'Scum mates' Expressly say what you mean by that. [/b]
What do you want me to explain exactly? TT was theorising that mafia!Dandel would put another mafia player in the new scum team to "infiltrate" it. Which is obviously unnecessary when Dandel can read it himself perfectly fine.
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On January 11 2021 17:22 Eversince wrote:
I promise Yam I'll go through your post but I'm about to drop over the dog and promptly drool all over him in a few.
Read them. They are really good posts. Echoing a lot of what I already said in this game and then concluding that I am mafia, which is kind of frustrating I have to say, but yamato looks good right now.
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On January 11 2021 17:49 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 17:27 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 17:18 Eversince wrote:On January 11 2021 17:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 14:46 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 02:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If you think that today isn't real why would you have any hard stances on anyone?
Literally all of today is pointless outside of n0. -.- Today is very much real. You just have to ignore dandels shennanigans. What is so complicated about this? I too do not know why this was so hard, but you also thought my in thread vote on HF was somehow real so he got you too. I do not check the voting thread every time someone votes in thread... come on. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p Well, removing yourself from the lynch is one thing. Forcing a mislynch is something different. His ability was at most disruptive. But that is more people fault than Dandels in my opinion. On January 11 2021 16:28 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Another reason obi could be scum btw I forgot to mention
Both tictock and I used the replace host thing on dandel
Which presumably meant nothing but he still used his ability on us, but obi never did
Adding scummate to spy on us?
(probably not cause he himself could see the qt. Bleh) I think if Dandel is in fact scum it would make a lot of sense for him to make a scum QT with 2 town and 1 mafia. If Dandel is town or 3P though it would be either just whatever names he picked it straight RNG. I suppose he might RNG as scum too but more likely he tries to plant a teammate. If that is the case Obi is more likely since he was the only one of us to not want to let the game know he was "scum" I mean, I didn't claim it like Wave but literally the first thing I did was hint at it pretty strongly. Someone (might have been wave)[b already figured out that Dandel did not have to put any scummates in there since he probably could read the qt himself. In essence I do not think all of this makes Dandel mafia at all. We should wait and see what he contributes now that he is back and judge accordingly. Wait. 'Scum mates' Expressly say what you mean by that. What do you want me to explain exactly? TT was theorising that mafia!Dandel would put another mafia player in the new scum team to "infiltrate" it. Which is obviously unnecessary when Dandel can read it himself perfectly fine. So He'd just put random in? And bear with me because my brain is wet noodles. That makes Dandel scum? IF he is 3p tried to lynch Hapa out to win, done ????? Since? Hum? What makes him mafia? And after that point we're back to.. Three people were privy to these conversations. Why not all of town? Unless you have an agenda *wink wink* [/b]
It doesn't make him anything that is the entire point. He probably legitimately rnged it regardless of his own alignment. At least that is my guess.
Now that I remember he put the guys voting for him in there so maybe it isn't that much rng after all. Whatever, it isn't really productive to talk about it.
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On January 11 2021 17:55 Eversince wrote:
except 3 people who may or may not have been mafia, became mafia. Every single player in the game without a way to validate their previous role in limbo.
Yep. Totes harmless.
If you had listened to me and ignored it it would have been completely harmless. Yep.
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On January 11 2021 18:07 Tictock wrote:
Like Dandel's alignment is totally up in the air, I could see him being anything right now
But the actual way his shit works is super fucking clear to me, I don't get why nobody else sees it.
Wtf man
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On January 11 2021 17:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 17:58 Eversince wrote:
If my ENTIRE ROLE DID NOTHING BUT SEW CHAOS I WOULDN'T FUCKING USE IT! Christ. I didn't mean to channel my inner Rayn. But if Dandel can steal the host I can steal somebody to RP that fits my mood enough I no longer RP. yeah but dandel would
Exactly. Dandel is clearly having fun with this. We can also turn this argument around and ask ourselves "why would dandel compromise himself like this for no apparent benefit as mafia?"
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The answer is he would probably do it in any case teammates be damned.
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On January 11 2021 18:31 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 17:59 yamato77 wrote:On January 11 2021 17:58 Eversince wrote:
If my ENTIRE ROLE DID NOTHING BUT SEW CHAOS I WOULDN'T FUCKING USE IT! Christ. I didn't mean to channel my inner Rayn. But if Dandel can steal the host I can steal somebody to RP that fits my mood enough I no longer RP. yeah but dandel would Exactly. Dandel is clearly having fun with this. We can also turn this argument around and ask ourselves "why would dandel compromise himself like this for no apparent benefit as mafia?" Answer: he's 3p or trolling. Either option is not town. Name one thing he's done, in this entire game, that benefit town?
Nothing. Unless you count improving my mood with his flavor.
Notice how I wasn't arguing that he is town.
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On January 11 2021 18:44 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +I think that a lot of his posts are seemingly rhetorical questions to get people to reiterate what they've already said in their posts. This is from Yam's wall and I think about me. I don't think I've done this but I could see my posting style look like this. I've gotten into arguments due to my style before. I just like to respond to posts as I'm reading and when I am behind significantly it sometimes looks like I am ignoring important things or reiterating because I simply haven't read that stuff yet. I could try to tone it down and post less but it's just how I interact with the game. I am also a big believer in asking questions to encourage thinking. My life philosophy is actually that life is not about finding answers but about asking better questions. Otherwise great wall, 9/10 would scale again.
There are quite few nice smaller tidbits.
The thing I disagree in the wall is his focus on the lynch wagon. In my opinion there doesn't HAVE to be any mafia on the GB wagon. Especially not in its creation. Unless of course Wave is mafia but yamato does not seem to think that.
Wave was being there and trying to do stuff in his own way. I don't think it was very convincing at its core but it made me not want to lynch him enough that GB who absolutely didn't care about the game and knowingly wasted his vote seemed like a better alternative. If yamato is trying to sell that GB should have been obvious town or anything like that then I call bs.
I think mafia did not care about the lynch at all. That is at least how it seems to me with this many people content on putting there votes somewhere irrelevant. The people on GB at least tried to play the game.
The big caveat to this would be if Wave is mafia. In that case we need to look closer into HF at the very least.
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On January 11 2021 19:18 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 19:17 Tictock wrote:
Ever are going to talk about anything but Dandel this game?
Like N0 this was all you did too. After we Lynch him sure.
How about before that. You even admit he could be 3p as well - let us assume this for a moment.
Who is mafia?
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On January 11 2021 19:23 Eversince wrote:
I can't sus that out to much. I've only skimmed like 30+ pages.
So the popular options of other people will be something I filter after the sleep I promise I give myself hours ago.
Then I suggest you follow through with sleeping.
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On January 11 2021 21:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 21:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2021 21:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 21:02 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 20:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
I still think there's a bigger than 50% chance wave is mafia and knew that the Dandel thing would not happen (whether because he's mafia with Dandel or assumed because Dandel is not mafia). I don't think he goes around threatening to ruin the entire game without that knowledge. There’s still a 50% chance GB can come back from the dead. You know the guy you just lynched. I was wrong. So what? What makes you not think you’re wrong on wave? Because I choose to believe that Wave is probably not a dick and wouldn't chance ruining game integrity. I already explained as well why there was basically no way that game got ruined anyway. I'm not going to defend myself again against you when you yourself randomly took everyone off my lynch to mislynch GB Also I'm not a huge fan of using potential mod info for this sort of thing but it kinda played out that way. I mean, you didn't explain that. We could have all magically started voting hapa and confirmed you mafia and you ruined a potential game for two other people. So, there's that. I don't see what me taking people off you to vote GB has anything to do with it. You're also being very granular, this is nothing to do with you. It's Shockey that's asking me a question and you should be grilling him for potentially your alignment and chainsaw defending you (as well as already doing that for GB). Why is he even aggrevated that we voted GB?
Ok, I am not following entirely. Why would Wave only out this as mafia again? I mean he would be ruining the game as either alignment if Dandel kept being the host, right?
That aside GB was a decent lynch with the information we had. People who claim that he wasn't are either talking out of their ass or have more information than I do.
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On January 11 2021 22:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 21:53 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2021 21:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 21:02 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 20:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
I still think there's a bigger than 50% chance wave is mafia and knew that the Dandel thing would not happen (whether because he's mafia with Dandel or assumed because Dandel is not mafia). I don't think he goes around threatening to ruin the entire game without that knowledge. There’s still a 50% chance GB can come back from the dead. You know the guy you just lynched. I was wrong. So what? What makes you not think you’re wrong on wave? Because I choose to believe that Wave is probably not a dick and wouldn't chance ruining game integrity. I already explained as well why there was basically no way that game got ruined anyway. I'm not going to defend myself again against you when you yourself randomly took everyone off my lynch to mislynch GB Also I'm not a huge fan of using potential mod info for this sort of thing but it kinda played out that way. I mean, you didn't explain that. We could have all magically started voting hapa and confirmed you mafia and you ruined a potential game for two other people. So, there's that. I don't see what me taking people off you to vote GB has anything to do with it. You're also being very granular, this is nothing to do with you. It's Shockey that's asking me a question and you should be grilling him for potentially your alignment and chainsaw defending you (as well as already doing that for GB). Why is he even aggrevated that we voted GB? Ok, I am not following entirely. Why would Wave only out this as mafia again? I mean he would be ruining the game as either alignment if Dandel kept being the host, right? That aside GB was a decent lynch with the information we had. People who claim that he wasn't are either talking out of their ass or have more information than I do. If Wave is town, he has no idea whatsoever what is happening, he's just been potentially made mafia. Then he randomly decides to out his QT that could become true and ruin the game. Very big gamble to just assume that Dandel's thing will likely not happen, no? If Wave is mafia and Dandel is mafia, then Wave knows that he has nothing to worry about and can freely out his QT people, himself and whatever with no consequences of being modkilled or ruining the game (kind of the scenario I'm toying with the most here) If Wave is mafia and Dandel is town/3P then Wave takes a gamble that this power either comes into fruition in which case he's still mafia or it doesn't happen, in which case he gets credit for outing that he's "mafia". Why would wave gamble the entire game on a guess instead of waiting and seeing what happens? The likeliest scenario is that Wave knew what happens with the power and adjusted accordingly. I don't think he's a dick and I really don't think he'd chance ruining the game on the off chance that Dandel's power didn't happen. Even if he thought we'd have to eliminate Hapa for Dandel to come into power then he's STILL ruining the game potentially if we did vote hapa. So, it makes me think the way more likely scenario is that Dandel and Wave are either mafia together and Wave knew what was going to happen or that Wave is mafia and knew that the power wouldn't fundamentally alter the game and maybe he'd get a little credit for outing himself as "mafia".
Ok, I get it now. Seems plausible but it really hinges on how much Wave believes Dandel if he is town. If I was in his shoes I think I also might have outed the new scum team to be honest.
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Well, let's just say if I am voting Wave at some point it won't be for this.
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On January 11 2021 22:33 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:29 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 22:19 yamato77 wrote:
I was pretty sure from the start of the day that dandel's game was bs hf You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game. I mean, it looked like exactly what I said it was all along, and lo and behold I was right. There's a world where Wave began the day thinking not lynching Hapa was super important to make him not mafia and then realized that Dandel's game was a farce and decided to claim scum in it after telling his "scum buddies". None of that means he isn't town. It does not require one to have extra knowledge to make this play. It's not a good case.
I agree in general. But why would it be super important not to be made mafia if he likes playing mafia? Isn't that quite contradictory?
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