On January 15 2021 20:27 justanothertownie wrote:
I guess the most likely while still workable world here is that it is Dandel, Obi and a more elusive scummer. One of TT/Wave/Conversion.

I'm never mafia in this scenario fyi so one of TT/Wave

so your team is Dandel/Vivax +1?

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 13:46 GMT

#2691

im really not seeing the tt mafia randomly clearing eversince unless she's also mafia but who knows

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 13:55 GMT

#2693

but then the question is always why would TT clear in thread and not tell her to calm down in QT? ES was never the lynch

this would also mean mafia!TT bussed Dandel early since there were several occasions where he wanted to lynch Dandel, and interacted about 0 times meaningfully with Obi

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 13:58 GMT

#2697

On January 15 2021 22:57 justanothertownie wrote:

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Why is the bussing suddenly bugging you when it never made a difference to you before?

I've never commented on the bussing this game at all?

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 14:06 GMT

#2701

On January 15 2021 22:59 justanothertownie wrote:

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Exactly. But you still thought both of them are mafia, right?

I've commented that TT was mafia based on his filter and contributions, but I'm trying to think why mafia!TT would randomly defend his mafia!Eversince when she was in no threat to a lynch. The bussing was more of a comment for myself to revisit his filter

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 15:28 GMT

#2713

actually my brain must be too small to understand town wincon Vivax taking away our Dandel lynch today

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 15:28 GMT

#2714

oh well

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:29 GMT

#2775

I mean I can see a world where 3P!Vivax sees 0 votes on Dandel, thinks town is going to waffle and lose the game, rereads the thread and forces a vote between him and his scummiest read, where he does not believe Slam's claim and Dandel is a town player with reverse KP

I don't see a world where M!Vivax decides to use his power before I'm dead and with 24+ hours to go to force a lynch between him and +1. The best use of this power is to do it when I'm dead, and slam it on himself and another person with a smaller amount of time to discuss to try and force a mislynch. M!Vivax, if he's smart, would have waited to confirm my nuke is actually real to see if I get removed from the game, then try to run down the clock with disorganized town to force the MYLO with a smaller amount of time left

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:29 GMT

#2776

that's probably very WIFOM-y but still

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:31 GMT

#2777

like in no way does a mafia team ever make a move before confirming whether my nuke is real or not

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:31 GMT

#2778

or am I just being crazy

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:33 GMT

#2781

? because if my nuke is fake we are not in MYLO?

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:37 GMT

#2783

I don't think I'm being very confusing?

Vivax being mafia means 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Dandel is teammates with him, which Wave points to being a weird team, but let's say it's true for this argument's sake

Mafia sees me nuke myself, assumes my nuke isn't real (even if I am screaming that it is MYLO because it is real). They wait 24 hours, confirms my nuke is real, we are at 5/3 24 hours in because I'm a game ruiner. Vivax then subverts the Dandel lynch, and tries to convince people of someone the thread sentiment thinks is scummy, person gets lynched, Mafia wins due to mislynch

If my nuke is fake, Vivax just traded 1:1 for absolutely no reason since we are no longer at MYLO. If mafia are never assuming my nuke is real, Mafia!Vivax just made a random 1:1 trade for no fucking reason? so it makes even less sense JAT if you're assuming that mafia never believe I'm being serious

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:39 GMT

#2784

so explain to me why mafia Vivax ever makes this move if he assumes my nuke is fake?

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:40 GMT

#2786

the onus is not on me to do anything I could just AFK and I'll be removed from the game and reading the flames come my way in OBS chat and post game

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:42 GMT

#2787

On January 16 2021 02:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I think the onus is on you to make the argument that 3p would do the same thing, especially since he would theoretically have even less of a reason to do the thing you're saying he would do.

why would a 3P!Vivax who wins with town have less of a reason to do the very thing? He's literally going to lose if we lynch Dandel, who he thinks is town and Slam is lying. this post makes 0 sense

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:45 GMT

#2788

On January 16 2021 02:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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I think everyone has written you off as dead already, and I think basing your logic on someone thinking you won't be dead is, uh, not good.

I also get the planning ideas but, really, analyze what he's actually doing rather than the plan behind it because that's the most important part - you can't just side with someone when they're objectively scummy and doing objectively scummy and antitown things "because it's a bad idea as mafia."

The power simply shouldn't have been used and the fact that he just did it without anyone's explicit agreement while saving confirmed mafia on what is essentially mylo should be ringing serious alarm bells.

why would Mafia ever assume that I'm not trolling with my power as JAT has said?

ghostofconversion

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January 15 2021 17:47 GMT

#2790

On January 16 2021 02:46 justanothertownie wrote:

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First of all if I was mafia I wouldn't believe you for a second. Then going 1vs1 does not mean that Vivax trades since his 3p claim means he has a convenient excuse and we aren't smarter at all after mislynching.

OK so your situation is that Vivax is going to dodge a policy lynch for taking away Dandel this day cycle, cause of his 3P claim

if my nuke is not real and Vivax took Dandel away and Obi flips town I'd 1000000000000% lynch him D4 no discussion needed