On April 11 2020 03:26 Hapahauli wrote: Shockey. You said you actually sat down and watched Chez's videos, right?
Didn't you say something about his video persona being some type of crazy killer?
If you look at the voting pattern based on lore and how Chez has been handling the game, he's killed his family (parents and sister), and killed the only other person in our family that was likely to help town (it's even in their lore role) Vivax. I've watched all the videos and they all seem like he's very happy using a knife.
As I found here:
On April 07 2020 10:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: Back, wow the son is now trying to give up his mom too. I think Chez has a vendetta for women in the family.
It goes back to our possible discussion about Chez.
On April 07 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: It deals with Chezinu, and how he positions himself to be the first to kill Jock, then I ran into this post by Trfel starting to question Chez as well.
On April 06 2020 15:30 Trfel wrote: Actually though, what if it is Chezinu?
When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why?
Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two.
On April 06 2020 15:57 Trfel wrote: The most recent Chezinu mafia game I could find was six years old. And in that game he was more focused on providing reads, not less. So there goes that idea.
It could also mean we don't know how his most recent mafia play can be. He's posted videos of himself, I went through them, but I don't know if anybody else did. In the day post, it's description sounds like his character likes killing people. I feel like since Rayn and Chez have some kind of alignment instantly, it's like Rayn won't suspect Chez and it'll let him slide by.
On April 07 2020 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: You realize that Chez only did two things this game: hard-bus his scumbuddy and give us a wonderful steak recipe... right?
Kinda starts aligning with this. But you mentioned you don't want to discuss this in a later post? Any reason why?
We're at a point now where it's very possible that Chez is our and has been last mafia player.
I just want to say Jock did a wonderful job speaking to everyone in this game equally including his mafia buddy.
Hapa...Hapa...Hapa....
You said you knew that my heart <3's the other players on this forum. Remember who I am. You know in your heart that my heart <3's you. You argued to keep me alive. You defended my honor to now turn on me? I believe not. Your heart should keep me alive. Jock said you were playing for self-preservation. You choose to assume that I was the inactive one who forgot to send in night kills instead of Mr. Truffles who was also pretty inactive in the thread.
I was assuming Shock was just bad town from his play last game. I still <3 you Shock. He claimed to watch my video when it was apparent he didn't fully read the thread. Oh, Mr. Truffles inquired of my reads where Shock did not. Mr. Truffles did not watch my videos. He said I was intelligent. . . Genuine? Or flattery?
I had doubts that BC was mafia, this the late vote. I hope for information from the night kill, but they killed a townie town. BC even tool note how it seemed rayn and I understood each other as if we recently shared a mind. It's amazing how much you can learn from a player when you know they are town from the beginning. To play with them and trust they are telling you the truth. You learn to understand.
If Vivax was here, he could attest to my tells. I have a secret weapon of claiming townie. That a few vets have learned. So, I will use this now.
I am town.
Insta confirmed. For over ten years Chezinu has played mafia and never once as mafia has he said he was town.
Phew.. the battery in my phone lost power but it saved this text before shutting off. I <3 the engineers and computer scientists that made this happen.
I guess I could be remembering wrong but I thought there was a game where Chezinu broke that pattern? I forget which one though and he hasn't been mafia for a while, so maybe I am misremembering. I'll try and check in the morning.
You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote: You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
On April 12 2020 15:20 Trfel wrote: You know what, I've changed my mind, I'm voting for ShoCkeyy.
For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore.
He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense.
After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads.
I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia.
Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility.
I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed.
What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation?
I don't really think it's Hapahauli, it's possible, but it would be some pretty brilliant mafia play if it is him. Hapahauli posted his reasons for lynching Jockmcplop quite early on, it felt like a genuine push to me.
From my point of view, my top town read was taken from me. All that’s left is three town and one mafia. This vote today is the most important vote, and if I were to follow my top town read, then I’d be voting for either Hap or Trfel.
This is mainly why I haven’t placed my vote yet. It’s been a tough day, did my weekly chores and just finished. There’s a lot possible theories, and I’ve given my effort in trying to show the possibilities. I personally would take all responsibility for the chez lynch if that were to happen. That was my theory that I pushed.
If I don’t look at chez as mafia and if you’re seriously not mafia, then who else can it be?
On April 10 2020 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: and because i don't think shockeyy is mafia either soo....
On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote: So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.
I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.
Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.
ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not
I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).
Did Trfel just oust himself? He claimed all of the four remaining players aside from himself are town...
EPT
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Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.
