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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 17:45 GMT
#621
I am also fucking stupid because i had a really good case on jock on D1 and then i decided to get drunk. I asked all the right questions and he gave all the shit answers...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 17:57 GMT
#622
On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote:
So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.

I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.

Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.

ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not

I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).


Did Trfel just oust himself? He claimed all of the four remaining players aside from himself are town...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 18:00 GMT
#623
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.
Life?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 18:01 GMT
#624
On April 10 2020 02:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He seems to a lot of doubt about his reads, it's like he is "clueless" to some level which doesn't seem to line up with his games as mafia where he actually makes cases and shit.


Couldn't the same be said about Trfel ("cluelessness")?

Like i literally talked about this after last game where i hydraed with Chezinu..

On April 03 2020 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"I think main thign to watch now is what Trfel thinks of us. Day 1 we wanted to save both him and Kelsier, and lynch GB or Sentinel. D2 we wanted to lynch GB or Sentinel (where we voted doesn't really matter here). For Trfel we should be 100% town because we are doing very townie things assuming he is town and GB is ??? . So basically, if he calls us mafia then i think he is mafia."

"yeah he said "they feel kinda town but need to re-evaluate" ä

"yeah, i still his response is mild somehow"

Sadly i never got to investogate this further lol... well or pretty much anything. gg and the google reads were a total blast, i laughed so hard with chezinu yesterday hahaha^^

On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1:
Show nested quote +
3:46 PM raynpelikoneet!:
[...]
Trfel - I dont think Trfel would call out Palmar like he did in case he was mafia because it doesn't make any sense, unless Kelsier is mafia, but then again, if he is mafia with Kelsier he would have easier and better targets than Palmar. Only thing that bugs me is that he hasn't done the town!Trfel thing that he does in most of his games and pretty early.

I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys.

On April 03 2020 04:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1:
3:46 PM raynpelikoneet!:
[...]
Trfel - I dont think Trfel would call out Palmar like he did in case he was mafia because it doesn't make any sense, unless Kelsier is mafia, but then again, if he is mafia with Kelsier he would have easier and better targets than Palmar. Only thing that bugs me is that he hasn't done the town!Trfel thing that he does in most of his games and pretty early.

I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys.

now I'm curious about that thing, but I suppose you will want to keep it for potential later games :p

On April 03 2020 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It is when he says something really smart and then immediately after second guesses himself and it feels like he genuinely feels bad about what he first said lol. I have already told this to him before it's just impossible to fake.

On April 03 2020 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
holy shit rels. had you just made the case on trfel and not posted some shit sentinel said i would have known trfel is mafia. i didnt even remember i said that just before i decided you had to be mafia when re-reading.... so it's your fault i was bad.

i sent you the logs in PM.

the thing is it feels like he's faking shit and hasn't said anything smart. like really smart smart.. everything is just super wishy-washy, like his read on jock (and jock's read on him too). When i am reading again i have absolutely no idea why they even voted for each other ever because it seems like both of them had better scumreads at the time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 18:03 GMT
#625
On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.

I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2020 18:07 GMT
#626
On April 10 2020 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.

I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.


Sorry that was for Trfel, but my clueless question was coming up. I wanted to ask, after you cased Jock, I'm assuming it happened after he voted for me, did Hap jump on the Jock wagon? I went back to the beginning of the thread, but I got a massive headache just trying to think about the beginning of the game again after BC turned up town. Like that shit stressed me the fuck out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 18:10 GMT
#627
Yeah he cased him about half an hour after i had my discussion with jock.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 18:15 GMT
#628
But thinking about it a little bit more, i guess there is a chance that Hapa just upped his scumgame because he is definitely capable of that if he really really tries. There are some elements in his case i wouldnt expect scum!Hapa to actually put effort into, but i guess it's not impossible. I find it really hard to think that he makes this post though
On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke?

.....as mafia. Knowing me and hapa and how "internet friends" we have been, and how annoyedly he treated me during the second irl-day of D1 (in my opinion -- and i know he knows he did that too and how i would feel about it), i find it very very very unlike that he would make this post, then call everyone idiots after the lynch and all that yadda yadda.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 18:16 GMT
#629
and because i don't think shockeyy is mafia either soo....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 18:49 GMT
#630
On April 03 2020 00:52 Someone wise wrote:
Actually fuck it, I'm not changing my mind.

Trfel has a 3 page filter
Rels Shockeyy has a 9 8 page filter

I'm voting Trfel

This is a good case.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 23:03 GMT
#631
yeah no i dont think shockeyy is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2020 23:04 GMT
#632
so i need to decide who bussed and if it's the question of who bussed it's trfel.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 10 2020 16:25 GMT
#633
Not going to be around for the deadline, so thoughts now.

I have reasons to town-read everyone, which means that I'm reading something wrong about the game. When I look through my reads, I am certain that Chez and Rayn are town.

I cannot see Chez as mafia playing like he did, given that he was the only player to vote Jock before his series of "awful posts" on Day 1.
On April 07 2020 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.


Likewise, Rayn is strong town in my book. Nothing has changed on my thoughts from before, especially the post by Jock:
Rayn reads strongly town to me, both based on his filter and Jocks' filter. This is for three reasons:
1) Most players, and especially forum players, have some desire to save-face. Pride in a purest sense. Rayn set up for this lynch with reckless abandon with no attempt whatsoever to save face. His posting literally sets up to humiliate himself after the flip. Mafia Rayn would know my alignment, as well as Jock's alignment. He is a sophisticated, smart, and experienced player enough to evaluate that there was a pretty high chance of Jock dying.
2) I really like Rayn's posting right after the flip. Again, a basic desire to save face. The torment of "oh god maybe I was wrong , to *BZZZZT DOES NOT COMPUTE RAWEFWHFJ*, to full on 'jet fuel does not melt steel beams" is a very townie thought process for someone who was wrong, and who's pride will not allow him to admit that he is wrong.
3) Reading Jock's filter transparently, there is a very clear attempt by Jock to white-knight Rayn early in the game:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wow does everyone see something off with rayn?

I don't see it.


On April 05 2020 13:39 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On April 05 2020 12:22 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 05 2020 10:22 Trfel wrote:
So I think the most suspicious person so far is raynpelikoneet.
Implies that I am mafia one post, implies that I am town later
+ Show Spoiler [Analysis] +
On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is that saying you dont belong to the family?
On April 05 2020 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe he fell asleep again? It's also boring to tak with townies only so maybe we wait for the bloody cobbler to arrive.
Why did raynpelikoneet's view change? Even if he's just joking around, if he's town, I expect him to have some perception of my alignment; whatever it is, it can't really fit into both of these statements.


INITIATE DISLIKE PILE.
Care to explain why?

@Vivax, you too?

It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious.

Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.



Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure.

I don't think all players play like that at all.

A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made).

So the two assumptions you had made were:

1: I think you are mafia
2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else)

Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players.


This post screams of "Jock is taking a hard and safe stance because he knows that Rayn is town". Given Jock's later posts, again, I am taking this post at face value, rather than weighing it for mindgames.


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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 10 2020 16:34 GMT
#634
Yeah, I think its Shockey.

I cannot see Trfel mafia. I have no freggin clue how mafia busses like this:

On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:
Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning

Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know

##vote Jockmcplop

May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.


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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 10 2020 16:42 GMT
#635
If you're going to bus (Trfel is effectively the 4th vote and therefore the hammer vote), how do you not go for more "cred" than that? You look so much better confidently calling Jock mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 10 2020 16:55 GMT
#636
Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough:
1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch.
2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch.
3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot.
4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 10 2020 17:00 GMT
#637
Silence
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 10 2020 17:01 GMT
#638
Day 3

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raynpelikoneet was randomly killed last night. He was + Show Spoiler [Flip] +
Lucca Ricci (Citizen - Vanilla Townie)!+ Show Spoiler [Profile] +
The youngest of the brothers, and the most handsome, too. Got Michela Gallo Ricci pregnant when they were 17. They were in love. At least Lucca was. The pregnancy led to a marriage. The marriage led to living together. The responsibilities of taking care of a child led to the need of having a job. The need of having a job made him a chef in the family restaurant. They now both work there, and although still living with parents, they have a happy life. They now have two kids, Lucca Gallo Ricci, 19 and Andrezza Gallo Ricci, 16..


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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 10 2020 17:04 GMT
#639
Please note that rayn kill was randomized because scum didn't send a night kill.
I've thought about the rules and even considered not sending a KP. But the mechanics are really clear: "mafia cannot no kill." The only outcome possible was randomizing.

I also decided to let thread know because this is not written in the rules and town couldn't possibly consider this outcome. I am now updating the mechanics so this may not happen in the future.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 10 2020 17:32 GMT
#640
wat.
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