[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2 - Page 32

On April 10 2020 02:15 Trfel wrote:
So the remaining players are ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, Chezinu, and Hapahauli.

I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure.

Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark.

ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not

I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill).

On April 10 2020 02:37 Hapahauli wrote:


Couldn't the same be said about Trfel ("cluelessness")?

On April 03 2020 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"I think main thign to watch now is what Trfel thinks of us. Day 1 we wanted to save both him and Kelsier, and lynch GB or Sentinel. D2 we wanted to lynch GB or Sentinel (where we voted doesn't really matter here). For Trfel we should be 100% town because we are doing very townie things assuming he is town and GB is ??? . So basically, if he calls us mafia then i think he is mafia."

"yeah he said "they feel kinda town but need to re-evaluate" ä

"yeah, i still his response is mild somehow"

Sadly i never got to investogate this further lol... well or pretty much anything. gg and the google reads were a total blast, i laughed so hard with chezinu yesterday hahaha^^

On April 03 2020 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should have trusted the only correct way to read Trfel btw... I said this some point during D1:

I wouldn't have lynched Trfel if i was in the game properly with the information i had so gj guys.

On April 03 2020 04:47 Rels wrote:

now I'm curious about that thing, but I suppose you will want to keep it for potential later games :p

On April 03 2020 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It is when he says something really smart and then immediately after second guesses himself and it feels like he genuinely feels bad about what he first said lol. I have already told this to him before it's just impossible to fake.

On April 03 2020 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
holy shit rels. had you just made the case on trfel and not posted some shit sentinel said i would have known trfel is mafia. i didnt even remember i said that just before i decided you had to be mafia when re-reading.... so it's your fault i was bad.

i sent you the logs in PM.

On April 10 2020 03:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also how have I lacked in reads? All my reads are there, and I think I've committed very well to my reads.

On April 10 2020 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not saying you're lacking in reads, maybe i used bad wording but you seem "clueless" because you had no idea on what to do on the EOD1 and while that's SUPPOSED to look fucking terrible on you, it doesn't look that way to me, and the only thin gyou have seemed quite sure about is that BC is mafia N1-D2.

On April 07 2020 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Rayn, are you mafia, or did you have a lobotomy since we last spoke?

On April 03 2020 00:52 Someone wise wrote:
Actually fuck it, I'm not changing my mind.

Trfel has a 3 page filter
Rels Shockeyy has a 9 8 page filter

I'm voting Trfel

This is a good case.

On April 07 2020 11:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Like, I get that Chez is random, but I don't think he's cruel or mean enough to his scum teammates to vote him and abandon him.

Rayn reads strongly town to me, both based on his filter and Jocks' filter. This is for three reasons:
1) Most players, and especially forum players, have some desire to save-face. Pride in a purest sense. Rayn set up for this lynch with reckless abandon with no attempt whatsoever to save face. His posting literally sets up to humiliate himself after the flip. Mafia Rayn would know my alignment, as well as Jock's alignment. He is a sophisticated, smart, and experienced player enough to evaluate that there was a pretty high chance of Jock dying.
2) I really like Rayn's posting right after the flip. Again, a basic desire to save face. The torment of "oh god maybe I was wrong , to *BZZZZT DOES NOT COMPUTE RAWEFWHFJ*, to full on 'jet fuel does not melt steel beams" is a very townie thought process for someone who was wrong, and who's pride will not allow him to admit that he is wrong.
3) Reading Jock's filter transparently, there is a very clear attempt by Jock to white-knight Rayn early in the game:


This post screams of "Jock is taking a hard and safe stance because he knows that Rayn is town". Given Jock's later posts, again, I am taking this post at face value, rather than weighing it for mindgames.

On April 06 2020 15:23 Trfel wrote:
Voting to make sure I don't forget. Will try to be back to catch up for the deadline but no guarantees, I'm horrid at waking up in the morning

Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know

##vote Jockmcplop

May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon.