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On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough:
1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch.
2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch.
3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot.
4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name.
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.
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Well, there goes night kill analysis 
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On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed...
Mafia didn't NK...
So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.
...so therefore hapa-mafia killed Rayn?
What in the actual?
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The mafia not submitting anything really throws me a loop.
Is it Chez?
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But that post by Shockey is so outrageously stupid. How do you acknowledge that mafia didn't NK and then call someone scum using a targeted NK analysis?
##Vote Shockey
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On April 11 2020 02:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Mafia didn't NK... Show nested quote +So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia. ...so therefore hapa-mafia killed Rayn? What in the actual?
Sorry I responded before reading the other blue part. Either way it sucks that my biggest town read is now gone :\
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So Shockey,
What did exactly did you mean by...
On April 11 2020 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2020 01:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Some things stick out about Shock's filter on a second readthrough:
1) Everyone alive has questioned my alignment at some point or another. Everyone except for Shock, and I find it very odd that he'd go from screaming in all caps that I outed myself as mafia in the thread to all of a sudden considering me unlynchable-top-town after the Jock flip. He never considers that it could have been a mafia v mafia lynch.
2) Shock is much more opinionated and aggressive than I first read him, when I readthrough the Day 1 lynch.
3) He left Vivax off of his end-of-night-1 read list. I had dismissed this as odd, but it's possible this is a slip, as Vivax got shot.
4) "Shock and Jock" is an excellent mafia team name. Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia.
... if you didn't read the blue part...?
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There's no way for you to know that mafia didn't NK unless you read the blue part.
Unless you're mafia.
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Meh just played a bad town game this day, the NK has me all fucked up. My only concern was how you said you weren't going to be around for deadline, but yet you're around.
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I'm around now - shit happens.
"Meh" doesn't cut it.
Just help me understand how you make the post that you made. How did you know mafia didn't NK without reading the "blue part"?
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I guessed it based off the "randomized" NK. that's a pretty big tell.
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Trfel, get in here, i know your'e around.
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Ok. So now that we established that you "guessed" based on the Day post, how do you post this:
Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia
Because your explanation just now does not square with this.
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On April 11 2020 02:54 Hapahauli wrote:Ok. So now that we established that you "guessed" based on the Day post, how do you post this: Show nested quote +Hap I did consider the bolded part are you sure you actually read through the thread? the lack of reading is a big tell... Especially since mafia didn't NK and rayn who was my strongest town read gets killed... Notice how Rayn who read me town, and I read town back had at least an upper hand on the game against mafia if it came down to 2v1. So of course he does what he thinks is best, kill Rayn so Chez nor myself can align against Hap the last mafia Because your explanation just now does not square with this.
My brain went on a rant after, tin foiled the fuck out of it forgetting that NK wasn't mafia, shit happens.
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I am around, what's up? I was thinking of looking at things again tonight, is that too late?
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I can't help but noticing that Chezinu hasn't posted in the last 24+ hours. Makes me more suspicious of him.
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Trefel, Is that Shockey sequence on this page a scumslip or a rant gone wrong?
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Shockey. You said you actually sat down and watched Chez's videos, right?
Didn't you say something about his video persona being some type of crazy killer?
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On April 11 2020 03:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Trefel, Is that Shockey sequence on this page a scumslip or a rant gone wrong? Honestly it's a bit hard to say, but my gut tells me it's a townish rant. Maybe this is just because I tend to not be a believer in scumslips, but also because primarily I feel like mafia tends to be more organized.
First, I assume mafia didn't decide to make the intentional play of not submitting a night kill so that it would be randomized and announced as randomized to feign inactivity. That seems far too convoluted.
Following that, if ShoCkeyy is mafia, he couldn't forget that the mafia night kill was randomized. He would have thought about possible night kills and the strategies/implications of each, and then failed to submit one, so he would freak out (which admittedly does fit what happened). But I feel like it would be so obvious to mafia what happened that he wouldn't then go into night kill analysis. It's so messy it feels more town to me, mafia tends to be a bit more measured, careful, and constructive.
But maybe that's not ShoCkeyy's mafia playstyle. Maybe he is an impulsive, rushed poster as mafia. Then I could see it coming from mafia, but most mafia players aren't like this. Another thing to note is that he didn't go after me or Chezinu, he went after you (Hapahauli). That's a much, much, much harder target, and it feels more like a town tinfoil theory than mafia, who tends to focus on the easiest target in LYLO/MYLO.
For ShoCkeyy to be town, he'd have to be really flustered. Reading that the night kill was randomized and not the second blue post does kinda give away that mafia failed to submit a night kill, I picked that up myself before reading the second blue post. Losing his top townread and biggest protector (in raynpelikoneet, also potentially his only chance at avoiding the lynch), I could see him getting pretty flustered and confused.
I once lynched the town gunsmith after he claimed he'd flip green once he got counterclaimed, and only after everyone called him out on it realized he'd flip blue. I just feel like town are more inclined to make large mistakes of that kind than mafia. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll definitely keep thinking about it, but those are my thoughts right now.
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##Vote Chez
You're right. The most plausible explanation is that Chez has been afk for 24 hours.
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