If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.
On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote: Thinking out loud...
If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Thoughts?
Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.
Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.
But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.
So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?
Double lynches in general are very pro-town. So why not have town vote to kill one player, and maybe have a secondary vote count to have someone modkill themselves as the second "lynch"?
I'm all ears if you want to give me a reason for why you think its stupid.
On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote: Thinking out loud...
If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.
Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.
HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.
Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.
Thoughts?
Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.
FYI, not the same reaction. You didn't vote Jock on Day 1
On April 09 2020 05:01 Hapahauli wrote: Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.
You shouldnt do the play ever, period, over.
regardless of my alignment this is not something you do. I get you are trying to "double lynch" to make it easier for tomorrow. The issue is you are aiming to do it by rule exploiting to get modkills. You never fucking exploit modkills to win games period. Maybe this is the former host in me, but if you pulled this shit when I played a ton it wouldnt just merit a ban on the banlist it would be way more severe.
The entire idea is completely disrespectful to glowingbear so just straight out fuck off with modkill shit like this.
I can respect a moral difference of opinion on the matter. From my perspective (and as a former host of many games myself), if its in the rules, its fair game.
On April 09 2020 05:28 Hapahauli wrote: Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.
But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.
So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?
Dude given how this entire game day has gone I could make a point for literally every player in the game to be scum. The general level of straight out apathy that has been caused it to be borderline impossible to fully figure out. Its not my fault you helped (myself, and a few others included) create a clusterfuck situation no one feels the need / want to play in. Regardless when you get this close to MYLO this is always the issue. Its part of the game. Trying to game the system this way is just wrong.
Also you might as well (if you are town) go and re-read the thread Hap. I am town and when you see my flip you should have your new list of reads figured out
I know I haven't posted much, just feels like nothing has changed. Really hope BloodyC0bbler is mafia, otherwise things will likely get rough in MYLO. I'll see if I can re-evaluate briefly but idk if anything will change.
Let me know if anyone wants to talk about anything.
EPT
