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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 19:56 GMT
#581
Thinking out loud...

If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.

Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.

HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.

Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.

Thoughts?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 19:58 GMT
#582
BC and Shockey, I want both of your thoughts on this.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 20:01 GMT
#583
Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 08 2020 20:21 GMT
#584
On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Thinking out loud...

If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.

Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.

HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.

Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.

Thoughts?


Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 20:28 GMT
#585
Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.

But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.

So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 20:30 GMT
#586
Double lynches in general are very pro-town. So why not have town vote to kill one player, and maybe have a secondary vote count to have someone modkill themselves as the second "lynch"?

I'm all ears if you want to give me a reason for why you think its stupid.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 20:34 GMT
#587
Like in my ideal world, either one of Shockey or BC modkills themselves and we lynch the other.

But if town wants me to modkill myself, I'm totally game.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 20:37 GMT
#588
On April 09 2020 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Thinking out loud...

If for whatever reason we mislynch today, we are in LYLO with 4 players (3 town v. 1 mafia) heading into Day 3. Normally, the optimal play would be to no-lynch to get the town down to 2 town v. 1 mafia for better lynching odds.

Unfortunately that is not possible due to the ruleset since town cannot no lynch.

HOWEVER, the ruleset has another quirk: people who do not vote get auto-modkilled.

Therefore, It is actually better for a townie to volunteer to not vote and get modkilled, since it would put the town in a better position in the event of a BC town flip.

Thoughts?


Yeah, no, same exact reaction to this post I did to Jock.



FYI, not the same reaction. You didn't vote Jock on Day 1
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 08 2020 21:02 GMT
#589
On April 09 2020 05:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Also worth noting that today is the only day we can make this play. It is too risky to do it at a potential LYLO, since mafia can "volunteer" to modkill himself but last minute hammer.


You shouldnt do the play ever, period, over.

regardless of my alignment this is not something you do. I get you are trying to "double lynch" to make it easier for tomorrow. The issue is you are aiming to do it by rule exploiting to get modkills. You never fucking exploit modkills to win games period. Maybe this is the former host in me, but if you pulled this shit when I played a ton it wouldnt just merit a ban on the banlist it would be way more severe.

The entire idea is completely disrespectful to glowingbear so just straight out fuck off with modkill shit like this.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 21:06 GMT
#590
I can respect a moral difference of opinion on the matter. From my perspective (and as a former host of many games myself), if its in the rules, its fair game.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 08 2020 21:09 GMT
#591
On April 09 2020 05:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Well you likely have an alterior motive to dismiss it out of hand.

But from a "town BC" perspective, there are 3 players that could be mafia in this game: Shockey, myself, and Chez. It is simply impossible to lynch all three unless we employ a modkill strategy.

So from town BC perspective, why it is not a hypothetically bad idea for me to modkill myself?


Dude given how this entire game day has gone I could make a point for literally every player in the game to be scum. The general level of straight out apathy that has been caused it to be borderline impossible to fully figure out. Its not my fault you helped (myself, and a few others included) create a clusterfuck situation no one feels the need / want to play in. Regardless when you get this close to MYLO this is always the issue. Its part of the game. Trying to game the system this way is just wrong.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
April 08 2020 21:14 GMT
#592
Also you might as well (if you are town) go and re-read the thread Hap. I am town and when you see my flip you should have your new list of reads figured out
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 08 2020 21:21 GMT
#593
Ah, BC, I'll concede to you on this. My bad and I'm sorry.

Apparently I haven't read the TL Model Mafia OP all that carefully:

7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 08 2020 21:30 GMT
#594
Day 2 flavor added
I'm adorable.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 09 2020 04:29 GMT
#595
I know I haven't posted much, just feels like nothing has changed. Really hope BloodyC0bbler is mafia, otherwise things will likely get rough in MYLO. I'll see if I can re-evaluate briefly but idk if anything will change.

Let me know if anyone wants to talk about anything.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 09 2020 05:42 GMT
#596
Mom,

Why didn't you support my videos?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 09 2020 08:24 GMT
#597
BREAKING NEWS!!



WE MUST DEFEND OUR OLIVE TREES!!!!! Men possessed by evil spirits are ravaging the groves of our neighbors!!

This could have been us!!!!! We must protect our land!!

Arm yourselves!!! *grabs knife*

Let's this ritual over quickly and go on the offensive. Let's conquer the enemy in our neighbor's land before they have a chance to reach our trees!!!

Source:
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/greece-angry-moria-migrants-chop-down-5000-olive-trees-on-lesbos/
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 09 2020 08:35 GMT
#598


The Olive Tree must always be here!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
April 09 2020 08:40 GMT
#599
My the souls of the olive trees dwell in me. Your oil fills my veins! We shall revenge thee!!!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 14:03:58
April 09 2020 14:03 GMT
#600
Day 2 - HOLY GUARDIANS CPT. 2
Votes


BloodyC0bbler: (4) Hapahauli, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Chezinu
Trfel: (1) raynpelikoneet
Hapahauli: (1) BloodyC0bbler
ShoCkeyy: (0) BloodyC0bbler


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BloodyC0bbler is set to die with 4 votes

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