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On August 09 2019 10:11 Alakaslam wrote: So do I but I also recognize it’s cheesy nature I like my cheese though. Gouda, dubliner irish, sharp cheddars, cannon rush, 4 pool... How cheesy do you like your cheese? I would describe vaporwave as a mature cheddar maybe. The cheesiest cheese, cheesing it up like Stilton, is clearly Italo Disco. | ||
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On August 13 2019 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: we play with 9 ppl or? Let's do this! | ||
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I like this stuff: + Show Spoiler + I like anything with a Carpenter vibe | ||
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Not me probably. FF every game is death metal themed game with you :D | ||
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On August 17 2019 18:48 Holyflare wrote: Where is the deadline? 6am for us hf. Gotta get up early if we want to shenan some igans. | ||
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On August 17 2019 22:24 CopCake wrote: Helloooooooooooooooo Hi Copcake, I'm Wee Jock Poo Pong McPlop, are you mafia? + Show Spoiler + By the way, this is no longer a death metal thread or a vaporwave thread, its a spiritual, experimental, jazz harp thread. + Show Spoiler + So far I'm leaning town on Vivax just on the basis that he's making posts and hanging around on tl elsewhere also which I don't think he tends to do as mafia. | ||
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On August 17 2019 22:42 CopCake wrote: I feel pretty so I am town So is that Vivax meta? Pretty much. He's usually afk day 1 as scum. Not conftown but its a solid meta lean and its the best info we have so far given that nothing else is happening in the thread | ||
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On August 18 2019 00:16 Holyflare wrote: Ah, yes, I can easily see how his 4 posts look like activity :D I didn't say activity i said not afk. What do you think so far? | ||
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On August 18 2019 01:30 CopCake wrote: Yeah idc about metas because as some of you should (must) know I am not even that active, just wanted to see some reactions since it is pretty dumb to say “this guy is town because he doesnt post that much as mafia” rip. Also too early to make filters Jock. I don't know why you think this. Normally they are in the OP but not this time so I did it instead. Just bookmark that post and you can go back to it whenever instead of having to find a post by someone and filter them that way. | ||
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On August 18 2019 01:49 CopCake wrote: @Jock you could ask a host to put them, the extra work to me will always be weird but that is just the opinion of a cute innocent town. What does this even mean? | ||
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On August 18 2019 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont understand what hanging around elsewhere in TL has anything to do with anyones alignment? Well I just compared his post history in the general forum to his list of games in the mafia database and there are zero posts when he is playing as mafia and plenty when he's town. I'm not going to try this with each specific area of tl.net cos I can't be bothered. Call it bullshit if you want but it makes perfect sense to me. He's eager to play as town and is browsing tl.net while waiting for something to happen in thread, he doesn't do that as mafia. That's how it seems to me anyway. | ||
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On August 18 2019 02:16 CopCake wrote: I dont want to sound mean but it seems extra effort to look town. Why can't it just be extra effort to make everyone's life easier? I'm a very nice person you know. | ||
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On August 18 2019 02:45 Vivax wrote: Yes you hit the nail on the head. Why the "call it bullshit if you want?" though. I was expecting rayn to because of his recent history of picking on me on day 1 | ||
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On August 18 2019 03:04 CopCake wrote: This post, to me it looked like sarcasm and if it is not I don’t understand how you guys can use “meta” to excuse someone who is also aware of how people see him. If I rolled mafia and I knew I had a pattern of how I play as mafia I would try to do my “town game”. You don't think mafia hf could make that post? Why does that make you town read hf? | ||
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On August 18 2019 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who cares jock? Why does cake mske that read as mafia? Didn't say it was mafia cake - I'm trying to figure out where she's coming from. If she wants to townread a guy because she agrees with a single sarcastic comment he made then fine but I'm wondering if there's more to it than that or not. | ||
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On August 18 2019 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Didnt she say where she is coming from? Yes but it doesn't make much sense. We're supposed to townread everyone if we agree with a few sarcastic words they post? No-one would realistically think that so I'm seeing if there was anything else behind her reasoning. Do you think I'm mafia for asking the question or are you just being annoying for no reason? | ||
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On August 18 2019 04:14 Chezinu wrote: What is everyone's guesses as to how many mafia are in this game? The answers you seek are here | ||
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On August 18 2019 04:38 CopCake wrote: Uh i dont get why you guys take an early “town read” so serious, I think a questioning HF is very town because I dont get why you can call “town locked” for a meta read of a couple of posts, I cant consider not even 6 posts activity. This is an absolutely horrible post lol. You spend the first few pages complaining about my town lean on Vivax while simultaneously saying we shouldn't take town leans seriously. Is it just your early reads we shouldn't take seriously or is it everyones? Also I literally said TWICE that I was only leaning town on vivax and only rayn has given vivax a full townread, so that 'town locked' comment is very inaccurate. On August 17 2019 22:38 Jockmcplop wrote: So far I'm leaning town on Vivax just on the basis that he's making posts and hanging around on tl elsewhere also which I don't think he tends to do as mafia. On August 17 2019 22:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Pretty much. He's usually afk day 1 as scum. Not conftown but its a solid meta lean and its the best info we have so far given that nothing else is happening in the thread | ||
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Whatever copcake. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks about all this. To me it looks like everything you are posting is contradictory and nonsensical. | ||
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On August 18 2019 05:02 Vivax wrote: Although I wouldn't call it nonsensical or contradictory, what you pointed out was hypocrisy about making a big deal out of a townlean. Yeah maybe. To me there's a contradiction in saying one thing while doing another but whatevs that's just semantics. I'm not scumreading her right now just trying to figure her out a bit. | ||
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On August 18 2019 05:06 CopCake wrote: How is that hypocrisy? Jock meta read vivax for 4 posts << looks bad to me HF made his post kinda questioning << town read him But you dont see me hard claiming he is town town town, actually let me quote myself. You also don't see me hard claiming vivax is town. I said it was a lean twice - a lean, y'know, like you said we shouldn't take seriously at exactly the same time as you were taking my town lean on vivax seriously. That's saying one thing and doing another.. There's no point continuing to argue about it though, everyone can see what happened. | ||
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On August 18 2019 05:15 CopCake wrote: Ok let me explain the difference between your leaning and mine. You explained why he is leaning town, I didnt. You made a mini case based on meta, I didnt, mine was a tone read. There is a difference yeah I see that. But you said that I had vivax as lock town which I specifically said I didn't and then you said we shouldn't take town leans early on seriously. What you should have said was not to take reads based on tone early on seriously, because you literally said not to take leans seriously while getting triggered at a town lean. Can you see how that looked hypocritical because of what you said? Anyway this is getting us nowhere fast. I'm not scumreading you right now anyway just trying to figure out where you're coming from. It makes a little bit more sense now. | ||
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On August 18 2019 22:33 Holyflare wrote: We can just vote reps for catching up on like 3 pages and posting one off hand comment and leaving again. Easy. Do mafia do that or are they more likely to stay quiet? | ||
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On August 18 2019 22:51 CopCake wrote: General question Games are this slow lately? No we got alot of afkers this time. Maybe it'll pick up some. | ||
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On August 18 2019 23:48 Holyflare wrote: Post nothing and get modkilled or what? Feigned activity saying you're catching up and not posting anything? That's bad. Explain to me how drawing attention to himself in that manner is mafialike. I get that its bad. | ||
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At the same time I think the vote on you is a bit weak right and opportunistic from both hf and vivax. Nothing is clear to me in this game, but at the moment I'm most suspicious of hf and yourself. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:08 reps)squishy wrote: Rayn is an interesting one. Definitely not on good ground with Vivax and HF from the go. That could mean to things to me town since it’s ballsy or mafia planting seeds of doubt into the veterans You're right that rayn is interesting and he seems to be playing differently. To be fair he said he was out all day yesterday but there is something odd about his posting. You won't see me killing him day 1 again though I did that last game and he was town. I was sure he was mafia and he was town. I'd definitely reconsider this day 2. I'd like to know what he's thinking about hf if he ever decides to come back to the thread. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:11 reps)squishy wrote: I am starting to suspect a HF, Vivax scumbo combo. Checking previous pages to see if they interact. If they do My suspicion will be lifted I don't think Vivax is mafia. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:21 Holyflare wrote: I don't really understand why you'd defend, or at least play devil's advocate, to this stance since it's inherently a mafia thing to do to skate by. Not that I think he's totally mafia-ish after his last few flurry of posts but now that he's talking about some me and vivax combo and how he has to go back and check if we interact when it's clear if he's just read through the thread that I've posted shit all my spidey senses are tingling. I'm gonna say the words. The words everyone hates. It was too mafia to be mafia. OK come and tell me off now if you want. I just don't think mafia does that shit knowing its likely to get them lynched. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:41 CopCake wrote: @jock Play with this idea in your world of meta Hmmm.... I don't think so to be honest. There's a tiny chance, but in order for Vivax's meta to be changed he would already have to be interested enough to be working with hf on it. He's still a town lean and DEFINITELY not a lynch for me. On top of his meta he looked like he was trying to figure the game out yesterday and his vote on rayn makes some amount of sense. I don't like the squishy vote though. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:42 reps)squishy wrote: I did, I saw it as regardless of alignment these peeps should be left alive. You counterpoint my accusations with “it’s early” but you town read that many people that early on? Why would anyone say that regardless of alignment we should leave people alive? | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:51 CopCake wrote: WHO WOULDNT BE HAPPY TO BE MAFIA WITH HF? Just imagine the amount of shennanigans, the party on the qt, being able to fool smart players. I would had been excited. My perspective is that ok you dont have a game to solve but you have to be smart enough to fool “the veterans” but that is my perspective, never rely on meta 100%. I don't normally use meta that much to be honest, but Vivax is kind of a special case in that regard (he's one of the easiest people to meta read) and as I've said a few times I'm only leaning town on him - but that's good enough for him definitely not to be the day 1 vote. WHO WOULDNT BE HAPPY TO BE MAFIA WITH HF? Is this some kind of claim? | ||
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It basically looks like were going to have to lynch a lurker now doesn't it? Its bullshit and I wish town peeps wouldn't do this on day 1 cos it just makes it too random but whatever. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:59 CopCake wrote: Not claim in this game but I love to be mafia when I have a good teamate that doesnt just afk. And either way, dont you find odd that vivax didnt question you about meta reading him? Like he could had seen that as “Omg he is trying to pocket me” but he didnt? Let me check because I was tunneling you and maybe I should had put my sight to the other side. I don't think its odd at all, no. Exactly the same thing happened with someone else in the last game, they read him using the same thing and he was town and reacted in the same way. On July 24 2019 02:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Vivax town by virtue of his having posted at all at this point in the game. I haven't gone back to reread hfs entry since you told me i may be mistaken on the tone so idk Fefe was also town in this game. | ||
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On August 19 2019 00:57 Holyflare wrote: Eywa-, WARDER, Rayn, FF, Chezinu Probably contains all mafia. If nothing happens between now and EoD who are you thinking of lynching? | ||
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I have never played with WARDER so I have no idea on that guy. Chezinu... I dunno can you kill Chezinu day 1? Wouldn't it like curse the whole website for a year or something? | ||
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On August 19 2019 01:28 Holyflare wrote: Dumb reasoning. If you have town reads on most of the people that have posted the list is not inherently bad because you've narrowed it down to the same list. Is there a read of mine you disagree with? Nah I'm just thinking out loud I'm not saying I wouldn't lynch any of them. I also specifically said it was a good list, not a bad one, a few posts before. This post was me trying to see where we should prioritize in a list of lurkers. Who would you lynch right now? | ||
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Maybe we just build a wagon and see what happens? | ||
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My reasoning is that Eywa- was mafia in the last game and didn't seem to particularly enjoy it so may be pissed off at having rolled mafia twice in a row. Its pretty vague I know but there isn't really much other way of distinguishing between all the lurkers/afkers. | ||
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On August 19 2019 02:46 CopCake wrote: I would lynch a lurker if I have no other option but I do think we still have time. When it is the end of the day? 11 hours from now but i don't think there's going to be anyone around after about 6-7 hours from now. | ||
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On August 19 2019 02:52 Vivax wrote: ##Vote squishy Ok guys why is this dude not mafia? His reads are a joke. The first thing he brings up is a combo of HF me and throughout his entire filter I don't see a reason for either of us being standalone scum besides the OJ simpson thing. Shit reads ≠ mafia He's not in my town pile. | ||
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PS copcake I always use preview when I'm posting gifs cos sometimes they don't work.. I'm still fine with a vote on WARDING and it looks like nothing else is happening | ||
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On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote: chezinu's most recent string of posts, chezinu's logic on lynching lurkers to keep blues alive as if there's any indication the blue's aren't in the AFK pile This is a good point. Don't really get what chez was trying to say tbh. | ||
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On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote: warder smurfing and being AFK at the same time. Could be coag though and if it is I no longer dislike it lmao Why is it ok if its coag? | ||
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LOL fair enough. Anything on rayn or hf? Any idea where you're gonna put your vote? | ||
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On August 19 2019 11:42 CopCake wrote: Why are you agreeing with him when he made so many mistakes? He turned up and came to the same conclusion as me (and hf) but for bad reasons, that doesn't really say anything about me at all. | ||
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On August 19 2019 11:53 CopCake wrote: I... Eh... I am not saying you look bad? In fact I think you are town (but that about me is irking me now) I just want to know why because he claimed I did something which is wrong, and so did it with you. It looked like he just wanted to make a smart post and skimmed. Oh I completely misunderstood I thought you were talking about me voting the same way as chezinu while pointing out that Fefe was right about his logic being bad. (ie agreeing with chezinu when he made mistakes) You're asking why I'm agreeing with Fecalfeast. I agreed with him on the chezinu thing because it was both correct and interesting. Fefe is on my suspicious list but I'm probably not lynching him today unless you can point out something that would change my mind. | ||
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On August 19 2019 12:20 CopCake wrote: It doesn't help the game, it is just a post trying to look useful when it isn't, you corrected your "case" on me and now you are attacking me for my "TONE" which is what? What makes you think I am mafia? Explain yourself. Also looking at you Jock. Copcake what are you asking me to explain? Whose in my mafia list? At the moment i'm happy lynching into: WARDING Fefe Rayn Eywa- Chez Of these I would prioritize WARDING and Eywa- because I mislynched the other three in the last game and would feel bad doing it twice in a row. Shit reasoning? Yeah but its day 1 so whatever. Squishy and hf are null Yourself and Vivax are most likely town. I don't have any strong scum reads or cases yet. Keep looking at me if you want. I'm being completely open about how I'm playing. | ||
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That there is no way of knowing whether or not there are blues in the AFK pile and that makes Chez's logic bad. It looks to me like you think that we're trying to suggest the opposite. | ||
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On August 19 2019 12:42 CopCake wrote: To me it looks like you agreed on him that there are blues in the AFK pile which I know that might be the case, which is why I don't vote afk unless it is really last resort thing. Last game I played town ate each other and the afks were somewhere being happy. No you are literally just wrong. Go back and re-read what Fefe originally wrote. He was saying that Chezinu's logic was bad because we literally have no way of knowing where the blues are at this point, right? At least that's how I read it. | ||
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What the fuck does this: Go read his "mafia reads" and "town reads" He accuses me of something that you did (in the read, not the last post) but you are in his town read for being "active", has he changed his opinion of you? Have to do with this: To me it looks like you agreed on him that there are blues in the AFK pile which I know that might be the case, which is why I don't vote afk unless it is really last resort thing. Why are you suddenly changing the subject when you're proven wrong and then saying you're going to go slow as if its me being dumb when nothing you are saying follows or makes sense at all? Maybe instead of going slow, just explain yourself clearly in the first place and stop misreading everything. Anyway to answer your question Go read his "mafia reads" and "town reads" He accuses me of something that you did (in the read, not the last post) but you are in his town read for being "active", has he changed his opinion of you? I don't know, lets find out. Fefe did you change your opinion of me? Copcake if you're town, and i think you probably are, at some point we're probably going to have to work together in this game so I'd prefer it if you'd cut the bullshit to be honest. | ||
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On August 19 2019 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Please review the posts I put the most effort into in a mafia game since like 2015, everyone. Then vote copcake or tell me why she's being like this as town She's being ridiculously obnoxious, like 10/10 obnoxious. Why would you do that as mafia? | ||
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Fine. Its 5am here and i can't sleep so i'm grumpy. Either way I don't like how you're pushing me on stuff after i already explained myself as much as i can. Sorry for biting your head off. | ||
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On August 19 2019 13:08 Fecalfeast wrote: I completely misread the post that copcake is talking about when it comes to my mistake. + Show Spoiler [Excuse that could totally be faked but…] + I just spent about 24hr straight intoxicated sitting around a campfire, then had to drive about 2.5hours home Initial reading: wow is that copcake defending herself by saying she's too scummy to be scum? *doesn't actually stop scrolling while skimming* I'll be sure to call that out, weird nobody else did though 2nd reading: It was jock. Shit. Better call that out. 3rd reading: He wasn't even talking about himself.... Yeah this makes sense to me. | ||
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On August 20 2019 01:35 Vivax wrote: His shitpost to serious - ratio is lower than usual. That's a mafia tell for FF? | ||
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On August 20 2019 14:02 reps)squishy wrote: RIP reading your filter now. You were on to something. You’re wrong about me though What you're saying is if you cherry pick Vivax's filter it confirms what you were already thinking? Seems you were very ready to go on that little theory as soon as the night kill came in though... | ||
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On August 20 2019 15:10 reps)squishy wrote: Jock, this is what he had to say and he is town. In his eyes it’s rayn or me. He did go for a lurker vote though RIP cop. If you want to vote me go for it. All I can say is Vivax could be on to something. I know myself to be clear, you don’t, I get that Its no necessarily just the night kill... Maybe he wasn't on to something and that's not why mafia killed him, but your reaction to it and based on what you were already posting about rayn at the beginning of today makes it look to me like you were carrying out a plan to be honest. If I were to judge the night kill in that way (ie its either rayn or you) then let's look at other factors: If rayn wants to kill people who suspect him he has a long list. Vivax is there for sure but I don't think rayn kills vivax to be honest. He doesn't seem to particularly respect Vivax's ability as town. I would say rayn is more likely to kill eywa in this situation or someone else that's scumreading him. Vivax was pretty much the only guy who was scumreading you. Killing him eliminates the one guy who's scumreading you and allows you to shift the suspicion onto rayn. I wouldn't use that alone to make the judgement, but the fact that you were here attempting to carry out that plan immediately is incredibly suspicious to me. This exact kind of thing has been my most effective way of scumhunting recently with a high percentage hit rate on mafia. So often mafia can't help themselves and just have to get that plan going after they've had all night to think about it. | ||
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On August 20 2019 15:26 reps)squishy wrote: You’re cocky. Go for me your stats will take a hit. I went for rayn, then read Vivax’s filter because I can trust him more now. His reads could be wrong, you’re right Hell wouldn’t it be smart for mafia to hit vivax and point at me next? I'm still entertaining this as a possibility, yeah. The thing is no-one else has been pointing at you really so I don't think that would be a good strategy. You're one of the least scumread people here now that Vivax is gone. Not that night kills are always based on good strategy. The fact that you were already going for rayn at the same time as Vivax died, and then tried to use that death to confirm it makes it look worse for you though imo. | ||
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On August 20 2019 15:26 reps)squishy wrote: Hell wouldn’t it be smart for mafia to hit vivax and point at me next? Thinking about it, no it wouldn't, that's a stupid mafia plan. Not that mafia don't have stupid plans. You aren't even a natural lynch candidate this cycle so it makes no sense for mafia to do that. Pretty much no-one was scumreading you. I wouldn't have scumread you off the NK alone either and no-one else should. If that was the mafia plan its an awful plan. On August 20 2019 15:34 reps)squishy wrote: You say “coincidence I think not!” I say coincidence Not much I can say to this to be honest, I'll let other people judge. | ||
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On August 20 2019 22:44 CopCake wrote: Point to consider HF was the only veteran who didnt clear vivax day 1/ night 1 Idk why the others did clear him asap tho You should know. It was explained pretty thoroughly and many times. | ||
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On August 20 2019 22:50 CopCake wrote: “Meta” but then why people like HF and Ewya didnt clear him 100%? Eywa wasn't here and hasn't played enough games with Vivax to clear him on meta. HF I'm not sure, ask hf, but don't say you don't know why we cleared him cos you do know that - you just don't want to accept the logic. Which is fine but its not the same thing. | ||
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On August 20 2019 22:52 CopCake wrote: I also want to say is impossible to live in a world of HF/Rayn mafia team, Rayn would never ever make that post as mafia if HF was on his team, never, ever. This is interesting. Who do you think are likely partners if you think rayn is mafia then? What's the reasoning behind this point? | ||
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I'm looking at squishy at the moment but I could feasibly see FF as a possibility too. Its frustrating because we clearly need more information about people's stances but no-one's bothering to play the game at all. | ||
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On August 20 2019 23:59 CopCake wrote: Why would you lynch FF? Asking for a friend. PoE | ||
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On August 21 2019 00:23 Fecalfeast wrote: HF using poe to put me in a lynch pile early: that's cool he's been around the block and knows most of these players very well and I'm playing outside my meta Jock using poe to put me in a lynch pile early: 🤮 You're confident in enough of your reads to have a poe list jock can you give me a list post ranking people towny to scummy thanks Towny to Scummy Rayn Hf Copcake Chez FF Eywa Squishy | ||
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On August 21 2019 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is chez more towny than me and why is ewya scummy? I don't know how to read chez so he goes in the middle. I could lynch him though because he hasn't done anything useful. Eywa is doing the exact same things he did in his mafia game. You haven't been particularly townie either Whereas: Copcake seems obviously town despite the fact that I can't agree with her about anything at all ever HF's reads align fairly closely with mine Rayn is just town after last night. | ||
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On August 21 2019 00:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Also if eywa is lower on your list than I, why did you ask if you'd have support for my lynch? I didn't ask if I'd have support for your lynch at all | ||
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On August 21 2019 00:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Also if eywa is lower on your list than I, why did you ask if you'd have support for my lynch? Copcake said she would lynch you I said I could feasibly see you being mafia. | ||
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"Oh you want to lynch FF??" not "Do you want to lynch FF??" | ||
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On August 21 2019 00:45 Fecalfeast wrote: This isn't asking if copcake would follow you onto me? Eywa in his scumgame spent all of day 1 pushing rayn and talking about how smart he is and how great people on his site are at lynching scum day 1. I know he was afk for day 1 but since then he hasn't done much at all. Can you explain the similarities I'm missing? The immediate snarky comment on the mislynch for one. | ||
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Basically replying to accusations with "I'm not scum" or some other 3 word thing. | ||
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On August 19 2019 02:40 Jockmcplop wrote: OK I've voted Eywa- My reasoning is that Eywa- was mafia in the last game and didn't seem to particularly enjoy it so may be pissed off at having rolled mafia twice in a row. Its pretty vague I know but there isn't really much other way of distinguishing between all the lurkers/afkers. Also this still applies somewhat. Eywa never even bothered to try and explain why he wasn't here for day 1. I know he said sorry my bad but that doesn't really excuse it tbh. Not that you need an excuse to be afk but I'd like one anyway just as a token thing know what i mean? | ||
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On August 21 2019 02:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I know I've scumread you like every game so far but I can't shake it I guess. Meh, I think I've also ended up with you in my scumlist every time but you never ever act like town really so that's not surprising. So squishy is mafia and you would prefer to vote him but don't care to vote him or make a case to convince anyone else to vote him? I'm going to filter him more and see if I can come up with something better than just his reaction to the night kill because that doesn't feel like quite enough to convince everyone to vote for him. There's no rush to put my vote there right now. It wouldn't achieve anything in particular. I was hoping more would happen during the day other than just a long conversation about me though. I guess you should be convinced by now that my reads are the reads of a person who is trying to solve the game but you won't so keep asking questions and I'll keep answering them until you see the light. | ||
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On August 21 2019 02:19 Fecalfeast wrote: What does acting like town mean to you? I've not been scum in a game with you in it so everything I've done in games with you has been necessarily acting like town... Do you mean acting like you want me to act? Yes I think so. | ||
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Its fucking unbelievable that any of you bastards could call me lazy in this game. I've been looking shit up, posting almost the whole time, willing to talk shit out with people and try and play the game. What the fuck have you done squishy? | ||
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On August 20 2019 14:01 reps)squishy wrote: The amount of effort is unusual. The try hardness of this seems scummy What is the exact correct amount of effort you require from a player, squishy? | ||
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I hope rayn comes back. And everyone else for that matter. Like where is everyone? | ||
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On August 21 2019 02:56 reps)squishy wrote: My reads so far Jockmcplop -I’m mafia in his eyes. He makes a case for me based on coincidence. OK but what do you think of my alignment? Holyflare -Quotes himself a lot. Null in my eyes You had him as a scum read what happened? Eywa- -post more, don’t think mafia would lurk this hard 'Not mafia' or 'town'? You seemed to take issue with someone calling him town yesterday. Chezinu - I don’t fucking understand. Me neither but this is a nothing comment FecalFeast -Willing to lynch without much info. Has a lot of one liners making small statements responding to quotes. Playing professional looking, probs because mod. Punches thrown are weak. In my eyes wanting to fly under radar which is scum like. The first time you have mentioned Fefe. Where did this come from? raynpelikoneet - Has three pages saying not much. Makes a big post not saying much. I don’t like it. Also claims to have done leg work. Your only consistent read through the whole game. CopCake - Defends and talks about me too much. Basically prevents progress of discussion my focus of me. Would be less weird if she was trying to lynch me with the amount of focus she has. You hadn't even mentioned copcake before this post. My scum right now is actually ff and cop Italics are mine This post is top tier mafia nothing posting. Your reads don't follow from what you are posting at all. Both your scumreads are people you haven't mentioned at all before in your filter. It seems like you're just making shit up (the whole lazy/too much effort thing) to suit whoever you want to accuse. | ||
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On August 21 2019 03:08 Eywa- wrote: To be honest, it's the exact same things as I did in my town games. Yeah, okay. That's why I'm not town reading you for doing those things. I have no idea why anyone would town read you at this point unless your reads are the same as them. It wouldn't make sense. I don't have a hard scum read on you but I'm very suspicious while also being aware that I'm biased after the last game. If you're going to make yourself impossible to read while barely interacting with people beyond sarcastic comments - being a possible lynch for everyone every time is the price you pay i guess. | ||
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On August 21 2019 02:56 reps)squishy wrote: My reads so far Jockmcplop -I’m mafia in his eyes. He makes a case for me based on coincidence. Holyflare -Quotes himself a lot. Null in my eyes Eywa- -post more, don’t think mafia would lurk this hard Chezinu - I don’t fucking understand. FecalFeast -Willing to lynch without much info. Has a lot of one liners making small statements responding to quotes. Playing professional looking, probs because mod. Punches thrown are weak. In my eyes wanting to fly under radar which is scum like. raynpelikoneet - Has three pages saying not much. Makes a big post not saying much. I don’t like it. Also claims to have done leg work. CopCake - Defends and talks about me too much. Basically prevents progress of discussion my focus of me. Would be less weird if she was trying to lynch me with the amount of focus she has. My scum right now is actually ff and cop Like can we marvel at how bad this unwanted reads list that doesn't say anything at all is? FF and Cake are his top scumreads. All of a sudden. He has barely interacted with either of em or mentioned them at all for the entire game and they are now his top scumreads. Seriously what the fuck is this? And only on the last page he accused me of laziness when he has literally decided not to bother trying to figure shit out and just made a bunch of stuff up on the spot to look like he's playing. | ||
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On August 21 2019 13:50 Chezinu wrote: some veterans suggested lynching me first. So, Chezinu rule doesn't really apply... oh wait.. he didn't accuse me. FF must be rubbing off. I cannot read. Too late at night maybe? yeah... I was skimming the thread... saw zero substance and assumed he was coming after me. However, why is he so confident that CHEZINU of all players is unlikely mafia??!?!?? Based on this post from squishy perspective.. it seems to indicate Squishy + CopCake are teammates. I wonder why... This squishy post is a perfect example of what I've been talking about. He has no idea how to read you Chez, no-one does, yet he says you're unlikely to be mafia. Why? Because he feels like he needs to give a read, not because there's any logic behind it all. His entire reads list is like that. Anyway enough about squishy for today. I'm happy with an eywa kill I reckon we've got good chance of of him flipping red. Plus rayn deserves his lynch to be pushed after that massive case. For some reason I find it irresistable when people go to basic effort like inserting a picture into their post. Easily manipulated probably. | ||
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And eywa said cases are scummy. I just cased myself motherfuckers. Stick that in your vote and lynch it. | ||
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On August 21 2019 18:21 Holyflare wrote: Think squishy is mafia too. Too much tmi stuff. I'm going back and honestly I think I might have been reading him from the wrong POV. I still don't like his start of day 2. There seems to be many people he's comfortable saying they are probably not mafia and I was looking at it from the point of view of him trying to get reads out where he hadn't thought about it but maybe he's not doing that and he just has loads of people as null. Like I try to confirm people as town, maybe squishy doesn't and that's what's making me think he's mafia. I'm worried about cognitive bias here because everything I'm reading of his jumps out at me as mafia but I dunno man. Maybe I'll go back and see what's there from a TMI point of view instead. I'm still keeping him as a scumread for now, just for his overall lack of contributions (also I still dislike that list post + day 2 start) but I'm not entirely convinced by my own case on him tbh. The thing with chezinu (#406) probably not being mafia at a point where he had only posted irrelevant nonsense is weird to me. Chezinu could objectively have been any alignment. The only way you could say probably not mafia is that only 2/10 people are mafia so its the same probably not as everyone else if you don't have any town reads. SQUISHY: I'd like to know if you have any solid town reads at this point. Your list post doesn't have any in it at all. Also could you respond to the point about your chezinu read because that's really weird why you would say probably not mafia when he's chezinu. How could you know (or even have any clue at all) whether or not he's mafia at that point? | ||
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On August 21 2019 21:22 Eywa- wrote: I don't like your thought process, it seems like you're indirectly justifying your read in this one with the option to later withdraw on a town flip. Is it as simple as 2 of HF, Rayn and Jock? What would the point in doing that be if i was mafia? It barely makes sense. Its like you're trying to prove rayn's case on you true. | ||
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On August 22 2019 04:56 reps)squishy wrote: For Chez these posts were not bad, I could understand them thus "make sense." + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2019 12:50 Chezinu wrote: Anyways, what do you think about Holyflare? Is his rigid logical style too harsh? Would he play this as mafia to hide his emotions? On August 21 2019 13:19 Chezinu wrote: 1. J O C K M C P L O P 2. H O L Y F L A R E 3. E Y W A - 4. W A R D E R 5. V I V A X 6. 7. F E C A L F E A S T 8. R A Y N P E L I K O N E E T 9. C O P C A K E 1 0 . R E P S ) S Q U I S H Y 1 of 3 mafia 1. J O C K M C P L O P 2. H O L Y F L A R E 3. E Y W A - 1 of 4 mafia 7. F E C A L F E A S T 8. R A Y N P E L I K O N E E T 9. C O P C A K E 1 0 . R E P S ) S Q U I S H Y Jock and FF are my leads. FF is still my vote. Eywa with the votes on him is just getting flustered, still forming my opinion we have hours still to go Why don't you seem to care that no-one else is voting for the people you think are scum? Why does everything you say seem like its made up on the spot? fuck it ##unvote ##vote squishy | ||
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On August 22 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote: Eywa the only person other than you that I would vote would be squishy. You down for shenanigans? Do it. | ||
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He has a clear idea of who he currently thinks is mafia but just doesn't want to draw attention to himself so he's happy with things as they are, with him voting off wagon and everyone else on eywa who hes undecided about. | ||
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On August 22 2019 06:46 CopCake wrote: You dont change votes just like if it was underwear. The case was done, makes sense, look at the reactions of Ewya. Why do you want to change it? Every time squishy posts it screams mafia at me and I gave him another chance but its just more scummy bullshit from him. Its really obvious. I'm putting my vote right now where I think I have the best chance to hit scum. You're honestly telling me eywa's reactions are more mafia than squishy's? If eywa's mafia he at least knows how to fake being town sometimes. Squishy's entire game plan here is mafia. He completely changed his read on you cake from mafia to town because you came and defended his post history which was mentioning you roughly once in a 2 page filter before you suddenly becoming one of his biggest scumreads when he wanted to make a list post. Then two people vote for him and WOW he has a reason to townread you now and coincidentally the people he most thinks are scum are the people who voted for him. Not that he gives a shit at all whether anyone else thinks they're scum because he's just trying to survive. How does anything that squishy has done so far help town? | ||
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On August 22 2019 07:03 CopCake wrote: Either way, just focus on what is good for town and that is to lynch Ewya, if you want to find the other scum, good! Because that is what we should be doing but Ewya has to die. Just saying its good for town doesn't necessarily make it so. In my eyes its good for town to kill mafia right now. Voting for mafia is therefore good for town. I actually like eywa's reaction to being lynched. The focus on rayn, hf and myself is the townie thing to do given that he thinks we are scum and the way he mentions comparing reads at the end of the game also is the kind of thing town eywa would say. Mafia eywa was more focused on everyone else being bad instead of thinking his reads were better than everyone elses. These are only little things but they are in eywa's favour compared to branch who imo has no redeeming features. I also think eywa was going inevitably going to die this game because his mafia and town games are so similar and he won as mafia in the last game. That doesn't make him more likely to be scum. Also it kinda feels like everyone's just lynching with the biggest grandest case in the thread instead of looking at people objectively. There's nothing bad for town in re-evaluating that and if no-one provides a reasonable alternative vote we are just going to sleepwalk to whoever was the biggest wagon the whole time. This happened a bunch of times in the last game on here, everyone just got on a wagon and stayed there and honestly I think in that game almost everyone on the lynch was doubting it by the end of each day but didn't want to offend town by changing so we ended up with mislynch after mislynch. I'm asking everyone to re-evaluate. Don't just vote for eywa because there's a big shiny case with a picture. If people look at it again and decide eywa is a better lynch, so be it. Squishy is a better lynch imo. Lynch the most likely scum. ALSO COPCAKE: Your point about paranoid town makes zero sense because the second time you defended him he changed his read on you from scum to hard town so he isn't even playing the game by his own rules in that case. | ||
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On August 22 2019 07:32 Holyflare wrote: You are dumb if you think Eywa is town. Flat out stupid. | ||
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On August 22 2019 07:34 Holyflare wrote: There is a case from Rayn on Eywa that has a timeline inconsitency that has NOT been answered at all by Eywa and he skirts around it repeatedly. He only has been doing this thing now because his previous plan was failing and even still 0 of what he says was content! Squishy is probably the other mafia sure but Eywa is mafia and you should be lynching him. If nothing more to get rayn to play and post content? Eywa isn't in my town pile although i do like his response to being lynched. You're right that he had no response to rayn's case. Maybe you're right and its just his plan after being caught as scum. I dunno. I feel it with squishy though. tbf you asked eywa to shenanigan onto squishy and he decided not to. I think you should and so should he, but eywa doesn't believe that squishy is mafia and isn't doing that. That's interesting in itself save for the possibility that they are both mafia which they could be i guess. I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand how voting eywa gets rayn back. From what I remember of his angry post it looked like it was you he was angry at as much as eywa. Or was it just people thinking he was scum again that made him angry? Its hard to tell with rayn. But I don't think we should be lynching anyone who calls him scum just to get him to play. That's not playing mafia, as rayn would say. | ||
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On August 22 2019 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf jock? Hi. | ||
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On August 22 2019 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you look like mafia for that vote change. You'd rather I just put my vote on the easiest lynch and leave it there like everyone else regardless of what eywa was saying in the thread? I explained myself so if the vote itself looks mafia to you there's literally nothing I can do about that now. | ||
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On August 22 2019 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: You write stuff like "dont lynch eywa just because there is a shiny case on him with pictures" and shit. did you even read the case? WHY would you lynch a person IF NOT because there is a CASE on them????????????? Also seriously, you of all the people should understand my case and respect it. Like this is literally what eywa did with both you and me: During night 1: "I think jock is mafia (because of his D1 play)". "why is jock mafia" "Jock is mafia because of something he did during D2" Like why would a townie EVER EVER EVER post something like that??? You should never assume that kind of thought process comes from a townie in case you are town, because it never should come from town. If you're making a case or telling why someone is mafia you don't only post half of the reasons why you think they are mafia, you post all the reasons why you think they are mafia, unless ofc you are mafia and have just decided on who to call mafia and THEN start finding out those reasons and just fuck up because you can't make up anything from before. Like, especially for you, your defense on Eywa makes no fucking sense at all. My defense of eywa wasn't based on your case not being good, or even a real defense of eywa at all, I said there were little things in his favour compared to squishy. I honestly still thought eywa would probably flip red but squishy is my lynch target because he is scum 100% and although it was interesting to see everyone jump on the eywa wagon with zero resistance I wanted to see if people would also do that with squishy if I gave them the choice to. I was trying to lynch scum I was also trying to gain information by seeing who was willing to put their votes on different people, but it didn't really work because everyone just left their vote with eywa. | ||
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On August 22 2019 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote: Every time squishy posts it screams mafia at me and I gave him another chance but its just more scummy bullshit from him. Its really obvious. I'm putting my vote right now where I think I have the best chance to hit scum. You're honestly telling me eywa's reactions are more mafia than squishy's? If eywa's mafia he at least knows how to fake being town sometimes. Squishy's entire game plan here is mafia. He completely changed his read on you cake from mafia to town because you came and defended his post history which was mentioning you roughly once in a 2 page filter before you suddenly becoming one of his biggest scumreads when he wanted to make a list post. Then two people vote for him and WOW he has a reason to townread you now and coincidentally the people he most thinks are scum are the people who voted for him. Not that he gives a shit at all whether anyone else thinks they're scum because he's just trying to survive. How does anything that squishy has done so far help town? | ||
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On August 23 2019 02:31 reps)squishy wrote: Just trying to get a vote train on me. FF and you Jock. When it fails ##unvote. How about making points other than, he’s 100 percent scum! What has he done for town? I know I look suspicious because my way of figuring things out is accusing and seeing how people respond You know you look suspicious yet I am scum for thinking you are suspicious. Good shit. | ||
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I'm confused. Is anyone around at the moment? I think I need to re-evaluate ALOT. | ||
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On August 23 2019 06:06 CopCake wrote: They tried to get me lynched but you defended me. They have done that shit several times during the game, not just with me. Okay copcake can you point out where this happened because I'm pretty sure I called you town from right near the beginning of the game and never once tried to get you lynched. | ||
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I'm going to make a start: I don't think squishy is mafia any more. Mafia squishy has literally zero reasons to kill FF. That doesn't make sense at all. That means that there's a little bit more PoE data in the thread and I think we can figure this out. Squishy is now my tip top town guy. Possible/likely mafia teams from my POV: HF & Rayn - Nothing would surprise me when it comes to these two and I'm not discounting it as a possibility but something about hf yesterday made me think it was town hf. He has a kind of routine for night 2 that i've noticed although its easily fakeable as mafia i guess. This team kinda makes sense from the point of view of the night kill. FF was working with me or at least willing to - also with myself and him being targets for squishy & copcake they just had to kill one of us and push a mislynch on the other (watch out for hf trying to push a lynch on me today) Chez & Rayn - Entirely possible - likely even? What can you even say about Chezinu? As the game goes on he should be contributing more, not less, otherwise there's no point in his early game weirdness. He's supposed to survive the early game and then come into his own later not just survive and then disappear. Chez & HF - Well hf seems to not really see chezinu as a possible lynch so far. I don't know if that really tells us anything though. The issue i have with chez being mafia is that he would have been better off killing someone other than FF, like squishy would. Its never a good move for either of them. Copcake & rayn MASSIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS ONE. I've been townreading copcake all game but now's the time to change my reads completely and copcake's filter when it comes to rayn is dodgy as fuck. No deviation from protecting him at all times: + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2019 23:50 CopCake wrote: Maybe I am being too nip ticky with the way he anf the others did. To answer your question, I don’t know I cant see rayn as mafia in this game. The only one I want to lynch atm is FF. On August 21 2019 13:00 CopCake wrote: HF is town. (To me) Because he had been patient mostly. The whole HF vs Rayn reminded me the last game I played here. Besides all the agenda Ewya has been pushing is to separate HF and Rayn. I would dare say that FF has been trying that too with the "This is something HF mafia would do". On August 21 2019 23:27 CopCake wrote: Thinking about it, it doesnt make sense a Rayn/HF team. On August 22 2019 00:24 CopCake wrote: Q: Hey Cake, in your last games... did people call rayn mafia and build cases against him? Cake: Yes. Q: Did you call him town? Cake: Yes. Q: Was he town? Cake: Yes. Q: Were you town in those games? Cake: Yes. - shrugs - I think he is town here also. On August 22 2019 02:16 CopCake wrote: Rayn is town, why are you doubting him now? Because he “handed in” Ewya? On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote: I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me. This looks really bad, along with the blatant buddying of squishy. Protect rayn, buddy squishy and go after jock/hf/chezinu. Seems like a perfect plan for copcake to be honest. Squishy I would say don't fall for copcake's buddying at this point. Just because she has relentlessly townread you all game doesn't mean she is town for it. I called you mafia because I thought you were mafia, copcake seemed to know you were town immediately and never deviated from that for a second. Copcake & HF doesn't really make alot of sense. Copcake has been inferring that hf is probably mafia without saying it alot and that doesn't strike me as the kind of thing mafia would do. ie the whole 'one of rayn/hf could be mafia and it isn't rayn' thing. Copcake & Chezinu is the other likely combination. It could be a thing but I would need help on that because I can't read Chezinu for shit and he doesn't even fit anywhere in my PoE :/ Out of all these the most likely are: So for me, 2/3 of rayn, copcake and chez are likely mafia. I'd like other people's input on this as much as possible please. I think we can get some good action going today but only if people actually turn up and start posting. | ||
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On August 23 2019 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your only townread is HF who has done exactly what besides eywa lynch? I agree squishy is not mafia. Why does the reasoning you presented however apply to squishy but not cake? Furthermore i am just waiting for answers to my questions. I dont understand what i am supposed to do or how am i supposed to play if people dont even give me the courtesy to answer very clear questions presented to them. I ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTIONS. Just because you ignore the answer/pretend it isn't there doesn't mean no-one answered you. Go back and quote the question you asked me and I will quote the answer for you. My actual main townread right now is squishy, not hf. HF is a town lean of sorts. Its mostly to do with how his reads have evolved/flowed, it seems natural and normal to me. His night 2 was typical of town hf (although like I said that is fakeable). Also of all the combinations, hf/rayn and hf/cake don't make that much sense to me and honestly i tihnk one of you and cake is mafia. Why does the reasoning apply to squishy and not cake? Squishy's lynch targets were technically the same as cakes but I get the feeling that although cake kept SAYING FF/Jock she was really angling to push HF and I. That's why she kept saying stuff about one of you/hf being mafia while simultaneously protecting you at any cost. | ||
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On August 23 2019 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if that was your final answer during N2 then i think youre mafia. I believe you, based on the available information, would consider eywa more likely to be mafia than squishy during D2. I dont believe in the reasoning you provised. Typical rayn. You make a case and anyone who doesn't fall in line immediately must be mafia. I was saying squishy was my number one mafia choice THE ENTIRE TIME since before you made the case on eywa. Just because you make a good case it doesn't mean anyoen who doesn't believe it is scum. Also what good info did we get off simply going for a day 2 wagon off the first available case and then sticking there? Fuck all. At least if people had moved to squishy we would have had better PoE info with our mislynch. As it was we got nothing, and you are pissed at me for trying to make something happen? PUH-LEASE I think the most likely thing here is that you are mafia and that copcake and yourself were going to try and push me as the mislynch today. | ||
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On August 23 2019 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why am i mafia if that's typical rayn? You aren't a good enough scum player to emulate typical rayn in a way that benefits your scum team? | ||
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On August 23 2019 02:31 Holyflare wrote: I'm gonna vote rayn tomorrow. Yeah? | ||
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I'm having to kind of twist things to get it to fit copcake. I don't like it. I just built a massive case on her because of her buddying of squishy but it all just doesn't quite fit with the FF night kill. | ||
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On August 23 2019 21:56 CopCake wrote: It is rayn and HF or Rayn and Chezinu No way in hell Rayn survives two nights. No way in hell HF survives two nights. They should have gotten something by now. I like it. Let's work together. I still think hf is town. I hope I'm not wrong. Now its both you and eywa who think hf is scum though so i doubt myself. If its rayn and hf I'm gonna rage so hard after the game about that rayn post earlier. I would literally never stop flaming either of them for the rest of eternity. One question.. why not hf and chezinu? | ||
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Don't just say you're going with your gut what are all the reasons i should vote hf instead of rayn? | ||
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On August 24 2019 02:40 Holyflare wrote: I don't know why you've gone off squishy being mafia by the way. FF was a big proponent for lynching him wasn't he? Yeah but mafia squishy killing FF makes zero sense in terms of the lynches squishy and copcake were pushing (myself and FF). FF was squishy's lynch vote yesterday, he would have had at least copcake. Killing town FF also discredits both squishy and copcakes main argument for me being scum which was that i was communicating with FF. So all squishy's work so far is gone with FF dead. | ||
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On August 24 2019 02:44 CopCake wrote: I am here. I decided it could be HF just by the way he just jumped on rayn’s case against Ewya, I dont want to believe that the rage post comes from mafia rayn. I said it before, the only times I have seen him rage like that he has been town. Interesting. I was looking at the people who got on eywa's wagon early in the day and never moved. HF is one of those. Chezinu and FF both were at least willing to vote squishy and get the wagon off eywa (who is a great kill for mafia night 2 because his monotonous accusing style gets stronger as the game goes on). Now he's trying to get me to go back to squishy as well which I don't think is smart actually. Squishy's never mafia killing FF when he spent a whole day setting up the 'jock and FF are communicating' thing as his main read. | ||
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On August 24 2019 02:53 Holyflare wrote: Oh I actually forgot about that I was just looking at the vote thread tbh. | ||
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I don't think so. That's not saying much though chezinu hasn't interacted with me neither and probably a coupleof other people (I'm literally offended by this). Checking through chez's filter there are some mild interactions, probably as many if not more than with anyone else to be honest. | ||
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On August 24 2019 03:03 CopCake wrote: He interacted with me, a little bit with Ewya when he believed it was a woman and I guess with squishy? Yeah and he quoted and replied to a few of hf's posts too | ||
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On August 24 2019 03:06 Holyflare wrote: Chezinu is the probably the ideal lynch today because he has done shit all and has no investment in anything. He arbitrarily does thing based on if someone is female or not and probably tried to pocket people. I'm not even sure who he scum reads. Cop and squishy? I would lynch chezinu with you. | ||
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Rayn. You think chezinu and squishy? | ||
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On August 14 2019 01:25 Alakaslam wrote: 9 player setup suggestions: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Even-Odd_Killers https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Alternating_9P https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C-C9 https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9_+_2 https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=CD9* https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=SS9 Now taking other suggestions! We might wait for more signups but let’s start discussing the nines C-C9 has the possibility of insane cop. I remember commenting that that was my favourite setup at the time. On August 14 2019 01:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I like C-C9 personally but I'm happy with any of those to be honest | ||
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On August 24 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote: If you have any doubts about my alignment you can feel free to vote a no lynch because I'll likely be shot. If I'm not shot then at least it gets rid of one of you guys for me. I don't think we're more likely to be able to get 2 mafia in a row with you gone than we are to get 1/2 mafia with a lynch today. | ||
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On August 24 2019 03:54 Holyflare wrote: I think it might be able to be broken if we no lynch even. OK explain it to me like i'm a child. with details and examples and stuff so i really get it. | ||
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On August 14 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam if you add Squishy you can make 8v2 and give mafia 2x NK night 3. Slam never replied to this but we should ask and be sure before we talk about a no lynch. | ||
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If a cop comes forward then I'll think about a no lynch. At the moment its all just maybes. | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:16 reps)squishy wrote: Understandable. What’s this talk of no lynch? Lynch is towns only tool right? Why would we not lynch? Fear of mislynch? It forces mafia to eliminate one more town and makes the game easier to solve. The downside is we then need 2 good lynches in a row or we lose. He's saying if we have another cop they will have a bunch of checks so a no lynch to narrow down the pool + the cop checks should be enough to solve. I'd rather not rely on a cop until someone claims so I'd rather kill chez/rayn | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:19 Holyflare wrote: This is directly anti town. You may as well claim mafia at this point. Wanna explain how? | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:25 Holyflare wrote: It is exactly the same if we lynch mafia today. It's still mylo tomorrow. But then there's far more risk being wrong today. Oh yeah sorry i was just working it out wrong. Haha stupid. Ok I'll go with a no lynch. | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:46 CopCake wrote: I am dumb, someone explain me that? Yeah. It makes the game easier to solve by PoE because there are fewer players. Its optimal to have an odd number of players, right? | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:41 Holyflare wrote: Uh huuuh You don't believe i would make that kind of mistake? Have you ever played mafia with me before? I've done pages of working out before realising I forgot one of the players once. What so you think i literally lied about the basic setup of the game hoping no-one would notice. | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:52 CopCake wrote: But having more people alive = harder for mafia to win. There is no benefit for town to lynch blindy. Not true. If a mislynch for town loses either way and they aren't sure who mafia is, having less margin for error is optimal. I just read this page because I haven't really been in a no lynch situation before: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_Lynch According to this its mathematically advantageous to have an odd number of players. | ||
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On August 24 2019 04:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Not true. If a mislynch for town loses either way and they aren't sure who mafia is, having less margin for error is optimal. I just read this page because I haven't really been in a no lynch situation before: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_Lynch According to this its mathematically advantageous to have an odd number of players. *EBWOP* Lower odds to mislynch not less margin for error | ||
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I remembered this exchange before the game when slam had already decided to start with 9 players and you asked to join: + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2019 14:20 Alakaslam wrote: Then it will not be done. All players have absolute veto power. As per the additional vote, and my desire to do this before my heavier work season starts, signups for positions other than replacement are now closed. Confirmation PMs will go out very soon. Once we have all confirmed and voted, we will congregate to go over setup. Then, I will confirm once more when I have set the deadline, and we will begin. I must look at my schedule and see what time of day absolutely always works. + Show Spoiler + Whaaaaat their official music video, though good, is NSFW BAH WHY On August 14 2019 15:53 reps)squishy wrote: Looks like it is starting If I can backup I would love to anyway /in if I can On August 14 2019 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam if you add Squishy you can make 8v2 and give mafia 2x NK night 3. So I PMd slam to ask him and he PMd me back saying mafia gets 2 kills. | ||
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On August 24 2019 05:31 Chezinu wrote: I first read squishy's post as 1 day kill (lynch) and 1 night kill = 2 kills for mafia. You have to squint pretty hard to see that | ||
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On August 24 2019 06:19 Chezinu wrote: Jock, just as you pointed out many possibilities when trying to discern who the mafia are. I too myself think of possibilities. There was a possibly that you couldn't even dream of. You were confident (or so it seemed) that squishy could not be mafia because he would not kill FF. But what if squishy thought FF was blue? Would that change the story? I like to explore my options. When an option is ignored, I like to bring it up in the thread in a troll like fashion. But it seems like the players this game (except vivax and rayn) can't handle the matter in which I play this game. I guess i will have to speak plainly... I'm also trying to explore possibilities chez. I'm trying to see things from hf's point of view re: squishy. Your thing about the FF NK is of particular interest to me because that's why i townread squishy in the first place so I asked because I want to know whether you think it happened or whether you are just pointing out that it might have happened. I like your riddles and trolling but I confess I don't know how to read it in any relevant way unfortunately. | ||
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On August 24 2019 07:02 Chezinu wrote: Both (he understood that the list was a troll, but he misunderstood what I was saying and that I was implying that you and rayn are mafia). and I don't have a read on rayn On August 24 2019 07:11 Chezinu wrote: I think a Rayn lynch would be a nice way to end this. Hey holyflare I found one of those inconsistencies you were hunting. | ||
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Slam can you fix that vote count please? It has chezinu's vote in two places | ||
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We need a single wagon with I JUST DON'T SEE IT BEING SQUISHY. | ||
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But I unvoted after the no-lynch and squishy is missing from there... | ||
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On August 24 2019 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you even realise what you are doing jock? No I don't think so Not a cop. @Copcake what are you thinking right now? Chezinu last night was worse than squishy imo. On the one hand defending squishy, then saying he's trolling, then asking random questions that seem like distractions and ends up voting for both squishy and then rayn? Seemed to be consciously trying to buddy you: Also don't forget hf's points about chezinu #1116 I think he's a much better lynch than squishy and probably our best chance to hit scum. | ||
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On August 25 2019 01:17 CopCake wrote: Was it because he was afk and shit? Then there you have it. I know he gets really pissed when that happens. It was complicated i don't think he was afk. lots of factors, but people didn't take his offensive drunk posting as town the way they probably should have done (me included!) | ||
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Didn't take action on the squishy lynch in the way you might think he did: On August 24 2019 06:23 Holyflare wrote: Squishy clarifies that he's VT and actually misread based off of my post or something. I kind of like the cut of his jib and his tone is slightly sincere so I'm wavering. THEN AFTERWARDS: On August 24 2019 07:24 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet He wasn't taking action he was following hf's lead. Parking his vote away from squishy because he doesn't think the vote's going to end up there. | ||
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Its still unclear. | ||
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On August 25 2019 01:28 CopCake wrote: But why does he follow HF lead if he is pissed at him? Or do I miss remember? I am on phone let me filter quick. Seemed to me like he was under pressure from hf about voting for squishy while defending squishy so he made his excuses and moved his vote rather than explain why he was doing what he was doing. | ||
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On August 24 2019 07:02 Chezinu wrote: Both (he understood that the list was a troll, but he misunderstood what I was saying and that I was implying that you and rayn are mafia). and I don't have a read on rayn On August 24 2019 07:11 Chezinu wrote: I think a Rayn lynch would be a nice way to end this. There's literally 9 minutes between these two posts. | ||
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That someone had mentioned it before... But he said it in such a townie way lol On August 24 2019 05:47 reps)squishy wrote: I literally had no idea what I was talking about. I read your if there is 2nk post here: https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1033&topic_id=550431 And I took it at face value to why no lynch would be good. I am vanilla town. Remember reading this would be a VERY vanilla game because it is vaporwave. Well I am the third vanilla towny. I may have just thrown this game for town because I did not know what I was talking about. | ||
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On August 25 2019 02:19 CopCake wrote: No... I have to keep it simple. He didn't use "IF" like the second sentence. He was sure. Besides he is against the no lynch, which is like... give us one town member alive to avoid the misslynch. Arg. I don't know maybe you're right? His explanation makes sense kind of though. I can see a scenario where he doesn't use 'if' but isn't confirming it, he's just repeating what he saw from holyflare. Tbf squishy has been quite scummy imo and i was townreading him because of the FF night kill but maybe I'm just wrong about that instead. | ||
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OK but I really don't want to argue about the last game anyway I just gave an answer to the question i was asked. | ||
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So you think mafia is chez+squishy, yeah? | ||
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On August 25 2019 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: we need to kill hf, then squishy. ggnore. Wait has everyone been in the thread since rayn claimed? No counter claim? HF you'll have to help me out i don't understand. Why is rayn fakeclaiming? | ||
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In that case I'm voting for squishy if we're different. Squishy is mafia. My vote stays there unless someone counters the cop claim. I would encourage everyone who believes i'm town to join me unless you have a reason to doubt rayn. | ||
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On August 25 2019 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: never ever let HF live after, please. Rayn if you are telling me that squishy and i are different i have no choice squishy is 100% mafia you 95% on holyflare doesn't do it for me. | ||
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On August 25 2019 04:03 CopCake wrote: I am here too Jock What do you make of all this? Squishy has to be the lynch, right? | ||
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On August 25 2019 04:39 CopCake wrote: @the others What are the probablities of HF being mafia? The question is mostly for you Jock. I don't know. Squishy Chez/hf I think you and rayn are town. The lack of a counter claim means rayn is cop. You are approaching the game pretty town-like. Between chez and hf its the hardest pair for me to judge. I've never been able to read either of them. I was getting town vibes off hf earlier but I don't think anything he's done is outside his mafia range either. His reaction to rayn's claim was puzzling. I put value in rayn's opinion on hf because he is town and has played many, many games with hf. Chez is more obviously suspicious to me though. His constant blue hunting isn't even subtle and i disliked his posting yesterday. Once again if hf is mafia I'm going to kick off massive after the game about his no lynch plan. Maybe 80% chez 70% hf chance of being mafia. | ||
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On August 25 2019 04:51 CopCake wrote: Ok so let me get this clear 6 players. Chez * Cake * Rayn * HF * Squishy * Jock If we dont lynch at night have 2 dead persons, lets say Jock and Cake who are town reads That would leave 2 mafia vs 2 townies Isnt it End game either way if we misslynch today????????? Yes this is lylo, so we have to lynch squishy unless there's a counter claim | ||
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If he was gonna be around till end of day he should have waited to see if we vote squishy anyway. | ||
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On August 25 2019 14:32 reps)squishy wrote: Frustrating... gg Go jock for picking on me from the get go Haha sorry about that dude. Planting those seeds early on day 2 paid off though. I almost backed myself into a corner with the townread on you on day 3 though because rayn wanted me to keep pushing for your lynch at that point. I wanted to lynch chez. I had to figure out a way to get back to scumreading you and luckily copcake made a case on you at the exact right time, but the rayn fakclaim made sure of it anyway. Copcake just had unfortunate timing with her reads. We had already decided to kill FF when she came with 'jock and ff are communicating' which really helped me out to be honest, then when she went back and scumread squishy for the 'scumslip' it was perfect timing again it just allowed me to switch back to squishy without it being too jarring. Eywa and Vivax both had great reads early game so well played those two. Mafia DID NOT KNOW about the 2KP on night 3, everything I posted in the thread was genuine about that. I literally just remembered what rayn had said before the game. | ||
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On August 25 2019 14:51 Chezinu wrote: I'm curious. How did HF know Copcake was the cop? I would guess that its because copcake seemed extra paranoid about people blue hunting during day 2 when the no-lynch scenario was discussed. | ||
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On August 25 2019 20:33 Vivax wrote: Jocks scum game has improved from his last scum game. He might have even won this after a rayn lynch. I really don't know how cop and HF couldn't read rayn if eywa can. Maybe we should elevate this strategy of threatening to stop playing to scum standard until it stops working. Thanks my dude. I think I'm a god natural scum player, because in real life I am scum (or at least that's what my parents have always told me). | ||
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It means you can be more active as mafia and its no longer obvious because the organization isn't there. The games I've been involved in here where town has had alot of success were the ones where people were cooperating on PoE and getting information but it just seemed like there wasn't enough of that in this game. But I'm a stupid Jock and have no idea what I'm talking about | ||
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On August 26 2019 08:32 Conversion wrote: tbh you are right but you don’t practice what you preach either the biggest problem I’ve seen in the recent two games I was in, one as mafia and one as town, is that two town groups form and when people as a group lynch into the other town group, they refuse to re-evaluate their stances or reads bc everyone believes they are some infallible mafia god and only after their lynch is had they will begin to think that maybe someone they think is town is actually not mafia. or their lynch is had but they can’t seem to let go that maybe leading a town lynch means your tip top 100% can never be mafia read is perhaps shit and needs to be re evaluated ofc this doesn’t exclude me either Absolutely, I'm a poor town player - I'm not trying to throw shade at all - i was speaking from a scum perspective from this game. Maybe I'll learn from it. | ||
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On August 26 2019 13:08 CopCake wrote: It is just a game, people need to relax. I feel embarrased a little bit but I know my “moon magic” logic is not taken seriously. The first person ever to call out Jock was me for his “ he is doing filters to look town” and I got shut down. I would have also done that as town in that situation. I'm not beyond putting an extra bit of effort in in the early game. I had the feeling you were generally suspicious of me until the 2kp thing happened though, it seemed like constant effort to stay ahead of your suspiciousness and that actually made me make a few mistakes (that Eywa noticed). About that, I didn't know until i mentioned it in the thread, and rayn wasn't about, so i had to make the decision whether to push for a no-lynch and get the BS win or take the credit. I didn't feel it was unfair to take the towncred for it. | ||
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On August 26 2019 15:20 Eversince wrote: I think you did amazing game Jock! You even manage to cover for Rayn a little sine he couldn't be around. I get you had to bus in end but sheesh you held that off so long! I'm super impressed ! I'm die on my feet so I'm just drop off sometime soon.. just bored and want someone to talking to :p! Thanks This was only my third game as scum and i'm quote proud of it tbh. I love that rayn and i got work together more nearer the end even after I bussed him (I thought he might hate me for it because I did that while he was afk lol)... We really had to coordinate strongly with the fakeclaim for it to work but its so satisfying hitting all your primary and secondary objectives I am 100% one of those weirdos that loves being mafia and gets frustrated by being town. I'm gonna have a little break from the game for a month or so (hopefully) now, maybe I'll cohost something, because this was all pretty intense. | ||
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