V A P O R W A V E mafia

On August 17 2019 22:49 Jockmcplop wrote:


Pretty much. He's usually afk day 1 as scum. Not conftown but its a solid meta lean and its the best info we have so far given that nothing else is happening in the thread

On August 18 2019 01:59 Jockmcplop wrote:


What does this even mean?

On August 18 2019 02:25 Jockmcplop wrote:


Well I just compared his post history in the general forum to his list of games in the mafia database and there are zero posts when he is playing as mafia and plenty when he's town.
I'm not going to try this with each specific area of tl.net cos I can't be bothered.
Call it bullshit if you want but it makes perfect sense to me. He's eager to play as town and is browsing tl.net while waiting for something to happen in thread, he doesn't do that as mafia.

That's how it seems to me anyway.

On August 18 2019 00:16 Holyflare wrote:


Ah, yes, I can easily see how his 4 posts look like activity :D

On August 18 2019 03:57 Jockmcplop wrote:


Didn't say it was mafia cake - I'm trying to figure out where she's coming from. If she wants to townread a guy because she agrees with a single sarcastic comment he made then fine but I'm wondering if there's more to it than that or not.

On August 17 2019 22:42 CopCake wrote:
I feel pretty so I am town

So is that Vivax meta?

On August 17 2019 22:38 Jockmcplop wrote:


Hi Copcake, I'm Wee Jock Poo Pong McPlop, are you mafia?

+ Show Spoiler +

By the way, this is no longer a death metal thread or a vaporwave thread, its a spiritual, experimental, jazz harp thread.

+ Show Spoiler +

So far I'm leaning town on Vivax just on the basis that he's making posts and hanging around on tl elsewhere also which I don't think he tends to do as mafia.

On August 18 2019 19:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Y'all need to start playing some mafia cos I have no idea who needs to get lynched right now. Mafia can just hide if 50% of the players have gone missing.

On August 18 2019 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:

Do mafia do that or are they more likely to stay quiet?

On August 19 2019 00:01 Jockmcplop wrote:
Any other thoughts squishy?

On August 19 2019 00:20 CopCake wrote:
Hohoho activity 😁

This shall be interesting

Do you think a team of mafiaHF with mafiaVivax would make Vivax leave his mafia meta of “not being interested in the game”?

On August 19 2019 00:37 Holyflare wrote:





I'm pretty sure this was my town list. If it was just veterans not lynching each other day 1 then Rayn would be on here. I am not afraid to lynch veterans day 1 because it is their fault if they don't play well enough to not be lynched. They're not immune.

Shouldn't you have noticed this post in finding interactions between Vivax and I?

On August 19 2019 00:44 Jockmcplop wrote:


Hmmm....

I don't think so to be honest. There's a tiny chance, but in order for Vivax's meta to be changed he would already have to be interested enough to be working with hf on it.

He's still a town lean and DEFINITELY not a lynch for me. On top of his meta he looked like he was trying to figure the game out yesterday and his vote on rayn makes some amount of sense.

I don't like the squishy vote though.

On August 19 2019 00:54 Jockmcplop wrote:


I don't normally use meta that much to be honest, but Vivax is kind of a special case in that regard (he's one of the easiest people to meta read) and as I've said a few times I'm only leaning town on him - but that's good enough for him definitely not to be the day 1 vote.



Is this some kind of claim?

On July 24 2019 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
right. do you have a erad on hf and/or vivax FF?

On August 19 2019 01:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem with that list for me is that they are all afk and at least Eywa-, rayn and FF are going to be very useful later on if they are town.

I have never played with WARDER so I have no idea on that guy.

Chezinu... I dunno can you kill Chezinu day 1? Wouldn't it like curse the whole website for a year or something?

On August 19 2019 02:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Copcake who would you lynch right now?

Maybe we just build a wagon and see what happens?

On August 19 2019 10:08 Jockmcplop wrote:


Why is it ok if its coag?

On August 19 2019 10:06 Jockmcplop wrote:


This is a good point. Don't really get what chez was trying to say tbh.

On August 19 2019 11:49 Jockmcplop wrote:


He turned up and came to the same conclusion as me (and hf) but for bad reasons, that doesn't really say anything about me at all.

On August 19 2019 12:17 Fecalfeast wrote:

Does my having lazy reads indicate an alignment?

On August 19 2019 12:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Copcake what I was agreeing with Fefe about was:

That there is no way of knowing whether or not there are blues in the AFK pile and that makes Chez's logic bad.

It looks to me like you think that we're trying to suggest the opposite.

On August 19 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote:

Your posts look as though you're trying to throw dirt on people rather than try to determine their alignment. You questioned jock for agreeing with something I said based on me being wrong on something ELSE that I said which is poisoning the well (I think I haven't brushed up on my fallacies lately) and contributes nothing to the determination of my alignment and does nothing to address what jock was actually saying.


Can you explain what you mean here? How do you know an inactive must be blue and where did I indicate that I thought that?


Using 'most of you' to discredit my read on him when I've not expressed interest in lynching an inactive is odd to me and reads like a defense of chezinu rather than an attack on my read.


This could be rephrased as "I disagree that quishy is scummy because: " instead of using your read on squishy as an attack on my unrelated read on squishy.



You are pushing an agenda rather than determining people's alignments.

On August 19 2019 12:42 Fecalfeast wrote:

Point 1:
Saying that chezinu's logic is stupid does not mean that I believe the opposite. You asking how I'm 'so sure' there are blues in the AFKs is either a leading question or just bad reading comprehension. I said chez shouldn't be so sure there are NO blues in the AFKs not that I necessarily think there ARE blues in the AFKs.

Point 2:
Already established as false and no longer a jewel

Point 3:
I blamed squishy for not reading HF's post and assuming it was a negative one. This has nothing to do with HF and everything to do with squishy and his mindset reading people's posts.



Do you have any good reasons why I'm mafia?

On August 19 2019 13:03 Jockmcplop wrote:

Fefe did you change your opinion of me?

On August 20 2019 14:00 Tubesock wrote:

D A Y 2

It is now day 2. Cast votes in the voting thread.

Vivax has been found dead. He was town.


Deadline is 05:00 GMT (+00:00) Which is in



*Flavor when I’m less lazy. I’m

On August 19 2019 04:46 Vivax wrote:


You can have my scumreads: Rayn and squishy

On August 20 2019 15:18 Jockmcplop wrote:


Its no necessarily just the night kill... Maybe he wasn't on to something and that's not why mafia killed him, but your reaction to it and based on what you were already posting about rayn at the beginning of today makes it look to me like you were carrying out a plan to be honest.

If I were to judge the night kill in that way (ie its either rayn or you) then let's look at other factors:

If rayn wants to kill people who suspect him he has a long list. Vivax is there for sure but I don't think rayn kills vivax to be honest. He doesn't seem to particularly respect Vivax's ability as town. I would say rayn is more likely to kill eywa in this situation or someone else that's scumreading him.

Vivax was pretty much the only guy who was scumreading you. Killing him eliminates the one guy who's scumreading you and allows you to shift the suspicion onto rayn.

I wouldn't use that alone to make the judgement, but the fact that you were here attempting to carry out that plan immediately is incredibly suspicious to me. This exact kind of thing has been my most effective way of scumhunting recently with a high percentage hit rate on mafia. So often mafia can't help themselves and just have to get that plan going after they've had all night to think about it.

On August 20 2019 15:31 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm still entertaining this as a possibility, yeah. The thing is no-one else has been pointing at you really so I don't think that would be a good strategy. You're one of the least scumread people here now that Vivax is gone. Not that night kills are always based on good strategy.

The fact that you were already going for rayn at the same time as Vivax died, and then tried to use that death to confirm it makes it look worse for you though imo.

On August 20 2019 22:45 Jockmcplop wrote:


You should know. It was explained pretty thoroughly and many times.

On August 20 2019 23:52 Jockmcplop wrote:
You want to lynch FF?
I'm looking at squishy at the moment but I could feasibly see FF as a possibility too.

Its frustrating because we clearly need more information about people's stances but no-one's bothering to play the game at all.

On August 21 2019 02:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
I know I've scumread you like every game so far but I can't shake it I guess.

So squishy is mafia and you would prefer to vote him but don't care to vote him or make a case to convince anyone else to vote him?

On August 21 2019 02:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
I know I've scumread you like every game so far but I can't shake it I guess.

So squishy is mafia and you would prefer to vote him but don't care to vote him or make a case to convince anyone else to vote him?

On August 21 2019 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:


Eywa is doing the exact same things he did in his mafia game.

On August 21 2019 13:41 Chezinu wrote:


Chezinu Rule?

It was pretty late in game... need to skim posts before this to see if anyone excused me before this.

On August 21 2019 21:14 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm going back and honestly I think I might have been reading him from the wrong POV.
I still don't like his start of day 2.

There seems to be many people he's comfortable saying they are probably not mafia and I was looking at it from the point of view of him trying to get reads out where he hadn't thought about it but maybe he's not doing that and he just has loads of people as null.

Like I try to confirm people as town, maybe squishy doesn't and that's what's making me think he's mafia.
I'm worried about cognitive bias here because everything I'm reading of his jumps out at me as mafia but I dunno man.

Maybe I'll go back and see what's there from a TMI point of view instead. I'm still keeping him as a scumread for now, just for his overall lack of contributions (also I still dislike that list post + day 2 start) but I'm not entirely convinced by my own case on him tbh.

The thing with chezinu (#406) probably not being mafia at a point where he had only posted irrelevant nonsense is weird to me. Chezinu could objectively have been any alignment. The only way you could say probably not mafia is that only 2/10 people are mafia so its the same probably not as everyone else if you don't have any town reads.


SQUISHY:

I'd like to know if you have any solid town reads at this point. Your list post doesn't have any in it at all.

Also could you respond to the point about your chezinu read because that's really weird why you would say probably not mafia when he's chezinu. How could you know (or even have any clue at all) whether or not he's mafia at that point?

On August 22 2019 06:46 CopCake wrote:
You dont change votes just like if it was underwear.

The case was done, makes sense, look at the reactions of Ewya.

Why do you want to change it?

On August 22 2019 18:33 Jockmcplop wrote:


My defense of eywa wasn't based on your case not being good, or even a real defense of eywa at all, I said there were little things in his favour compared to squishy.
I honestly still thought eywa would probably flip red but squishy is my lynch target because he is scum 100% and although it was interesting to see everyone jump on the eywa wagon with zero resistance I wanted to see if people would also do that with squishy if I gave them the choice to.

I was trying to lynch scum
I was also trying to gain information by seeing who was willing to put their votes on different people, but it didn't really work because everyone just left their vote with eywa.

On August 23 2019 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

what do you mean by pushing an agenda?

On August 24 2019 02:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
Its so annoying trying to get everyone organized when no-one's ever here
We should have at least 3 people on a wagon already.

On August 24 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:


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On August 21 2019 18:21 Holyflare wrote:
Think squishy is mafia too. Too much tmi stuff.

On August 22 2019 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
Eywa the only person other than you that I would vote would be squishy. You down for shenanigans?

On August 22 2019 09:36 Holyflare wrote:
Your only hope is voting squishy I guess.

On August 24 2019 02:50 Jockmcplop wrote:


Interesting. I was looking at the people who got on eywa's wagon early in the day and never moved. HF is one of those. Chezinu and FF both were at least willing to vote squishy and get the wagon off eywa (who is a great kill for mafia night 2 because his monotonous accusing style gets stronger as the game goes on).

Now he's trying to get me to go back to squishy as well which I don't think is smart actually. Squishy's never mafia killing FF when he spent a whole day setting up the 'jock and FF are communicating' thing as his main read.

On August 24 2019 03:00 Jockmcplop wrote:

I don't think so. That's not saying much though chezinu hasn't interacted with me neither and probably a coupleof other people (I'm literally offended by this).

Checking through chez's filter there are some mild interactions, probably as many if not more than with anyone else to be honest.

On August 24 2019 03:09 Jockmcplop wrote:


I would lynch chezinu with you.

On August 24 2019 03:44 Holyflare wrote:
To me, it's between rayn/chezinu/squishy.

I really can't shake the Squishy feeling despite what he says. He just comes in, posts nothing and fucks off again each time. Sometimes only just responding to a single question. He's been off wagon each day saying that he'll vote who he wants like a third party in the game which seems kind of brazen for a mafia to do.

Chezinu..... done nothing, always will do nothing. Has scum read Copcake and Squishy? Don't know if moving from Eywa to Squishy was that mafia-y thing to do but it was fucking weird. Really weird.

Rayn day 1 was atrocious. He literally fabricated a case on me about squishy and then emo quit the thread under absolutely no pressure. His day 2 was just the Eywa case and afk. His day 3 is just... accuse everyone it kind of looks like? "Why say those things about me but not hf" just seems arbitrary whining rather than trying to solve the game.

On August 24 2019 04:18 Jockmcplop wrote:


It forces mafia to eliminate one more town and makes the game easier to solve.
The downside is we then need 2 good lynches in a row or we lose.
He's saying if we have another cop they will have a bunch of checks so a no lynch to narrow down the pool + the cop checks should be enough to solve.

I'd rather not rely on a cop until someone claims so I'd rather kill chez/rayn

On August 24 2019 04:18 Jockmcplop wrote:


It forces mafia to eliminate one more town and makes the game easier to solve.
The downside is we then need 2 good lynches in a row or we lose.
He's saying if we have another cop they will have a bunch of checks so a no lynch to narrow down the pool + the cop checks should be enough to solve.

I'd rather not rely on a cop until someone claims so I'd rather kill chez/rayn

On August 24 2019 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:


Yeah. It makes the game easier to solve by PoE because there are fewer players. Its optimal to have an odd number of players, right?

On August 24 2019 04:52 CopCake wrote:


But having more people alive = harder for mafia to win.

There is no benefit for town to lynch blindy.

On August 24 2019 06:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
Let me ask you something chezinu do you really think squishy killed FF because he misread something you wrote?

On August 24 2019 06:59 Holyflare wrote:


The whole premise of this game is to hunt inconsistencies and make people answer them. So, which is it? Is he misunderstanding you or does he understand you. What read do you have on rayn?

On August 24 2019 16:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
This is frustrating.
We need a single wagon with everyone 5 people on it by the end of the day or we're done for.
I JUST DON'T SEE IT BEING SQUISHY.

On August 24 2019 05:46 CopCake wrote:
How am I scumhunting rn I am the most useless person here

On August 25 2019 01:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rayn got mislynched day 1 in the last game. There was some anger afterwards.

On August 24 2019 06:59 Holyflare wrote:


The whole premise of this game is to hunt inconsistencies and make people answer them. So, which is it? Is he misunderstanding you or does he understand you. What read do you have on rayn?