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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 03:56 GMT
#378
On August 19 2019 12:56 Chezinu wrote:
What do you do if the mafia is female, but you meta says you can't lynch a girl...?


What is this even?

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 04:05 GMT
#384
On August 19 2019 12:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 12:54 CopCake wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:43 CopCake wrote:
Rayn talk to me if you are town.

About what?


Am I wrong with FF?

read his posts and progression, ignore he agrees with you with HF and chezinu, read him.

I don't understand why you are even scumreading him.


Two of his initial "mafia cases" are wrong.

specially this part

On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
dislikes after skim/reading:

copcake's read progression on squishy, copcakes's use of 'too scummy to be scum' on herself

Squishy's blatant assumption that HF was 'demonizing' him when HF was actually defending him, squishy appearing when being scrutinized

chezinu's most recent string of posts, chezinu's logic on lynching lurkers to keep blues alive as if there's any indication the blue's aren't in the AFK pile

warder smurfing and being AFK at the same time. Could be coag though and if it is I no longer dislike it lmao

things I liked:

Vivax being active

jock trying really hard. I'm trying to townread jock instead of scumming him every game

camping was fun and I smell like a campfire


I mean, if you look at HF Filter... he voted Squishy... he didnt defend him...
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/550431-v-a-p-o-r-w-a-v-e-mafia?user=Holyflare
On August 19 2019 00:21 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 23:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 18 2019 23:48 Holyflare wrote:
On August 18 2019 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 18 2019 22:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 18 2019 19:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Y'all need to start playing some mafia cos I have no idea who needs to get lynched right now. Mafia can just hide if 50% of the players have gone missing.


We can just vote reps for catching up on like 3 pages and posting one off hand comment and leaving again. Easy.

Do mafia do that or are they more likely to stay quiet?


Post nothing and get modkilled or what? Feigned activity saying you're catching up and not posting anything? That's bad.


Explain to me how drawing attention to himself in that manner is mafialike.

I get that its bad.


I don't really understand this post either. What do you expect him to do as mafia if he has made 0 posts in the thread? He would get modkilled, or at least warned. He's forced to contribute by virtue of the game and since there is very little content in the thread (there is SOME) it would be hard for mafia to pin accusations on literally anyone. Which is why it's very easy to post that comment he posted and just leave instead of generating anything.

As town you can quite easily feign some bs read on someone or force contributions or literally post about anything and make content, it's not that difficult.

I don't really understand why you'd defend, or at least play devil's advocate, to this stance since it's inherently a mafia thing to do to skate by. Not that I think he's totally mafia-ish after his last few flurry of posts but now that he's talking about some me and vivax combo and how he has to go back and check if we interact when it's clear if he's just read through the thread that I've posted shit all my spidey senses are tingling.


FF read is that HF defended squishy but he never did.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 04:07 GMT
#385
On August 19 2019 13:03 Jockmcplop wrote:
Copcake you are pissing me off

What the fuck does this:
Show nested quote +
Go read his "mafia reads" and "town reads"

He accuses me of something that you did (in the read, not the last post) but you are in his town read for being "active", has he changed his opinion of you?


Have to do with this:

Show nested quote +
To me it looks like you agreed on him that there are blues in the AFK pile which I know that might be the case, which is why I don't vote afk unless it is really last resort thing.



Why are you suddenly changing the subject when you're proven wrong and then saying you're going to go slow as if its me being dumb when nothing you are saying follows or makes sense at all?

Maybe instead of going slow, just explain yourself clearly in the first place and stop misreading everything.

Anyway to answer your question
Show nested quote +
Go read his "mafia reads" and "town reads"

He accuses me of something that you did (in the read, not the last post) but you are in his town read for being "active", has he changed his opinion of you?


I don't know, lets find out.

Fefe did you change your opinion of me?

Copcake if you're town, and i think you probably are, at some point we're probably going to have to work together in this game so I'd prefer it if you'd cut the bullshit to be honest.


Going slow is for me <__< because I write bad, not for you being dumb.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 04:20 GMT
#393
I have read HF's filter several times and I don't see where he actually defends squishy.

The closest thing is this:

On August 19 2019 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Eywa-, WARDER, Rayn, FF, Chezinu

Probably contains all mafia.

People I could go either way on: squishy

People in my town list that I could be wrong on: Vivax



CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 04:36 GMT
#401
Beacause FF is using this quote to say Chezinu is mafia.

On August 19 2019 08:12 Chezinu wrote:
It is probably safer to lynch inactives to give (if present) our blues a chance to play.


The "If present" is where I have a problem, Chezinu doesn't know who are the blues but wants the active blues to have a chance.

It is how I read this quote.

Not like I think he is a clear town, his trolololol post looks like a mafia that just gave up.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 04:57 GMT
#412
On August 19 2019 13:52 reps)squishy wrote:
Chezinu's posts have zero substance. Lynching a lurker is ok, but I really don't think he'll turn out to be mafia.

WARDER is getting auto-killed from not posting. What is the point of voting for him?

I think it's weird that Vivax dropped the vote on me. Follow through with the shots you take! Don't try to vote me because I looked juicy and people didn't jump on board so you go for someone who has not made a single post.

Copcake yo I don't need your protection. But I am suspicious of people who are on my case.


Good point, we shouldnt allow two persons to die today.

I mean I know you are wrong but dont you think is better to have just one person killed than two?

Changing my vote.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 05:02 GMT
#416
On August 19 2019 13:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 13:36 CopCake wrote:
Beacause FF is using this quote to say Chezinu is mafia.

On August 19 2019 08:12 Chezinu wrote:
It is probably safer to lynch inactives to give (if present) our blues a chance to play.


The "If present" is where I have a problem, Chezinu doesn't know who are the blues but wants the active blues to have a chance.

It is how I read this quote.

Not like I think he is a clear town, his trolololol post looks like a mafia that just gave up.

THE IF PRESENT ACTIVELY CONTRADICTS HIS OWN POST THOUGH

[It is safer to lynch the inactives] to give [(if present)] our blues a chance to play

[section 1] is only true if [section 2] is also true, yet the inclusion of [section 2] literally points out why [section 1] is irrelevant.

So the post can be rewritten to say
Show nested quote +
It is safer to lynch the inactives if the inactives aren't blue


Which says nothing. His post is a soft blue claim at best and blatant blue hunting at worst.


I dont want to sound mean or annoying like jock said but... from your three mafia cases two were wrong (from the time you wrote them because I know I pissed people off so I can be seen as mafia) and then:

1.- You agreed with rayn on HF but your case on squishy was based on HF’s opinion of him, would mean that perhaps you stopped to think squishy is scum the moment you agreed with rayn?

2.- I think you never mentioned rayn on your mafia/town list.

I am on my phone now so I cant quote that easily but I find that odd.

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 05:17 GMT
#436
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The cop

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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 16:57 GMT
#472
Cop x chez team up is bullshit

I liked your post about doubting FF but might I ask why?

@Vivax

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 17:16 GMT
#474
On August 20 2019 02:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2019 01:57 CopCake wrote:
Cop x chez team up is bullshit

I liked your post about doubting FF but might I ask why?

@Vivax



Yea the cop x chez teamup wasn't a serious post.

Show nested quote +
On August 19 2019 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:20 CopCake wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:15 CopCake wrote:
Lol, I am actually the opposite, I don't want to lynch an inactive because "one must be blue" but hey you agree with that feeling, RIGHT?

Because HEY

Who is in your mafia list?

Cake who said that she would lynch you because your first post looked bad and your case on me was BAD and MISTAKEN, now because I am calling you out I am mafia?

Chezinu who said let's lynch an inactive which is what it seems most of you want to do but he only gets called out for it.

Squishy for what reasons? his interaction with HF? Squishy made a good point on viva with the OJ Simpson thing and just pointed out how the "veterans" are not interacting that much which I agree is super odd.


Your mafia reads are LAZY.




Does my having lazy reads indicate an alignment?


It doesn't help the game, it is just a post trying to look useful when it isn't, you corrected your "case" on me and now you are attacking me for my "TONE" which is what?

What makes you think I am mafia?

Explain yourself.

Also looking at you Jock.

Your posts look as though you're trying to throw dirt on people rather than try to determine their alignment. You questioned jock for agreeing with something I said based on me being wrong on something ELSE that I said which is poisoning the well (I think I haven't brushed up on my fallacies lately) and contributes nothing to the determination of my alignment and does nothing to address what jock was actually saying.

Lol, I am actually the opposite, I don't want to lynch an inactive because "one must be blue" but hey you agree with that feeling, RIGHT?

Can you explain what you mean here? How do you know an inactive must be blue and where did I indicate that I thought that?


Chezinu who said let's lynch an inactive which is what it seems most of you want to do but he only gets called out for it.

Using 'most of you' to discredit my read on him when I've not expressed interest in lynching an inactive is odd to me and reads like a defense of chezinu rather than an attack on my read.

Squishy for what reasons? his interaction with HF? Squishy made a good point on viva with the OJ Simpson thing and just pointed out how the "veterans" are not interacting that much which I agree is super odd.

This could be rephrased as "I disagree that quishy is scummy because: " instead of using your read on squishy as an attack on my unrelated read on squishy.



You are pushing an agenda rather than determining people's alignments.

On August 19 2019 12:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:35 CopCake wrote:
On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
dislikes after skim/reading:

copcake's read progression on squishy, copcakes's use of 'too scummy to be scum' on herself

Squishy's blatant assumption that HF was 'demonizing' him when HF was actually defending him, squishy appearing when being scrutinized

chezinu's most recent string of posts, chezinu's logic on lynching lurkers to keep blues alive as if there's any indication the blue's aren't in the AFK pile

warder smurfing and being AFK at the same time. Could be coag though and if it is I no longer dislike it lmao

things I liked:

Vivax being active

jock trying really hard. I'm trying to townread jock instead of scumming him every game

camping was fun and I smell like a campfire



This, I can ask you the same thing, why are you so sure afks have blues?

And now I HAVE THIS JEWEL
On August 19 2019 12:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 19 2019 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu is probably mafia too. He usually uses stuff to make something happen out of it, or like, there is some reason why he posts cryptic stuff he does, and i don't see anything but some posts that don't intend to do anything.

Total and complete agreement from me. This is why I didn't like his entire string of posts on the page where I returned to thread.



YOU EVIL MOD!

You always considered HF kinda mafia but your mafia were me, squishy and chezinu? really?

REALLYYYYY?

On August 19 2019 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
dislikes after skim/reading:

copcake's read progression on squishy, copcakes's use of 'too scummy to be scum' on herself

Squishy's blatant assumption that HF was 'demonizing' him when HF was actually defending him, squishy appearing when being scrutinized

chezinu's most recent string of posts, chezinu's logic on lynching lurkers to keep blues alive as if there's any indication the blue's aren't in the AFK pile

warder smurfing and being AFK at the same time. Could be coag though and if it is I no longer dislike it lmao

things I liked:

Vivax being active

jock trying really hard. I'm trying to townread jock instead of scumming him every game

camping was fun and I smell like a campfire


He disagreed with HF but blames Squishy for doubting HF?

Agh

Not popular opinion but I am voting FF.


Point 1:
Saying that chezinu's logic is stupid does not mean that I believe the opposite. You asking how I'm 'so sure' there are blues in the AFKs is either a leading question or just bad reading comprehension. I said chez shouldn't be so sure there are NO blues in the AFKs not that I necessarily think there ARE blues in the AFKs.

Point 2:
Already established as false and no longer a jewel

Point 3:
I blamed squishy for not reading HF's post and assuming it was a negative one. This has nothing to do with HF and everything to do with squishy and his mindset reading people's posts.



Do you have any good reasons why I'm mafia?


Please review the posts I put the most effort into in a mafia game since like 2015, everyone.

Then vote copcake or tell me why she's being like this as town


This is the reason. Although I don't think I'm going to give it too much weight for now. It would be pretty unfair towards him if it's genuine effort.

Seems kind of convenient for you to like my reasoning though. FF is scumreading you.


Ok, I will try to explain myself. If you have doubts or dont understand one thing pls ask me.

The problem is that he scum read me with false info in his first “reads/ catch up”

I called him out for that and his read on squishy with the whole HF thing.

I made a mistake missreading something he said later when he was discussing with rayn about HF but I do think I still have a point about his reads being bad.

Maybe I am reading too much into it because it is a post that contains my name.

I need to think a lot in the whole Rayn/HF thing. That will be my “tinfoil”


CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 17:17 GMT
#475
“About his reads being bad” << his original first reads btw.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 17:25 GMT
#477
If rayn was mafia, who would be his scummate? @HF
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 20:10 GMT
#488
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 20:14 GMT
#489
On August 18 2019 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 03:02 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 18 2019 02:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is that?


Because you are scum

Well youre wrong.


Okay. I was honestly super tempted to keep writing but I wanted to see the reply expecting town rayn to either laugh at the obvious circular reasoning or get mad about it and put me on /ignore. I have to say I'm disappointed not to see that.

Is there any reason you just sound so differently from the last times I saw you playing town? Yes/No would suffice.

I really dont know tbh. I am doing my own thing and i dont really care what other people think. For the record youre never going to figure out my alignment with some reaction test.

Youre town and Cake is probably town. Thats pretty much all i have at this point and i am out with a friend so thats most likely all i will have today.

On August 18 2019 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 03:04 CopCake wrote:
On August 18 2019 00:16 Holyflare wrote:
On August 17 2019 22:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 17 2019 22:42 CopCake wrote:
I feel pretty so I am town

So is that Vivax meta?


Pretty much. He's usually afk day 1 as scum. Not conftown but its a solid meta lean and its the best info we have so far given that nothing else is happening in the thread


Ah, yes, I can easily see how his 4 posts look like activity :D



This post, to me it looked like sarcasm and if it is not I don’t understand how you guys can use “meta” to excuse someone who is also aware of how people see him. If I rolled mafia and I knew I had a pattern of how I play as mafia I would try to do my “town game”.

Vivax doesnt do his town game as mafia. Your perception of HF is no good.

On August 18 2019 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2019 03:57 Vivax wrote:
On August 18 2019 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who cares jock? Why does cake mske that read as mafia?


What do you mean who cares. It should be obvious to any townie that right now the game is pretty stale, Jock is trying to move it forward cause he feels it too (wildly guessing). This is also mafia-y from you. You don't recognize the game's situation from what I think is a townie point of view and make it all about the content in jocks post.

No Vivax. It doesnt matter to me because shit reads are shit reads and i think that questioning already will end up in a shit read.

You could argue cake would make that read if she is mafia exactly with hf but i dont thonk thats the case here or at least the current evidence doesnt suggest that in any way. So the other outcome is useless discussion about something irrelevant.


This was directed at me
On August 18 2019 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am telling you vivax is town though regardless of my alignment.



CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 20:37 GMT
#498
On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.



Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself.

Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says?


He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town.

Like literally a lot.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 20:51 GMT
#502
But HF wasnt I one of your locked town reads?

What changed?


You are asking and I am answering your questions about rayn, it is your perspective vs what other see. I am trying to see rayn’s posts with “the no effort you see” but it doesnt work. I mean remember our last game in which all mafia were afk? Both of you and myself had guns at each other and idk if it is the case here with you and him (I am trying to be open) .

The game should be fun for everyone.

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 22:05 GMT
#507
On August 20 2019 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2019 05:37 CopCake wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
On August 20 2019 05:10 CopCake wrote:
I don't know what you mean with “leg work” but Rayn explained to Vivax why I am town in his mindset and told me that Vivax is town directly to me.



Leg work means he put in real effort to determine his scum read on people. He is saying that my read on him is bull shit because he put in so much effort that I should read him as an alignment because he spent so much time figuring out both Vivax and yourself.

Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says?


He put A LOT of effort in the me vs FF trying to explaun why I am town.

Like literally a lot.


I don't think less than a handful of posts is a lot of effort but that's just me. I also see a way you could be mafia from the situation he says you must be town in so that's why I don't particularly read rayn one way or another.



Mistake, read the bolded part as if you were changing your opinion.

And now let me ask: who would you lynch rn? From your list.

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 19 2019 23:35 GMT
#521
Lmaooooo chezinu thank you for lighting up my mood.

A.


CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 20 2019 13:12 GMT
#542
Rip Vivax, sad he predicted his own death so now...

1.- Vivax died to blame someone (his read was right and the person will play the "they are using this to blame me")

2.- Vivax died to make some of his town reads look "locked" (aka he was right and got killed)

3.- Vivax died because one of the magia knows that he will figure them out asap on the second day (add here a list of frequent players)


I think is 3 with either 1 or 2.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 20 2019 13:44 GMT
#543
Point to consider

HF was the only veteran who didnt clear vivax day 1/ night 1

Idk why the others did clear him asap tho
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