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Can you explain what you mean here? How do you know an inactive must be blue and where did I indicate that I thought that? How dfoes this make anyone mafia. Yeah it's a really stuoid comment but if Cake is mafia she has no information of who is blue and who is not (actually even less than if she is town) so i don't see who this can make anyone mafia. Using 'most of you' to discredit my read on him when I've not expressed interest in lynching an inactive is odd to me and reads like a defense of chezinu rather than an attack on my read. I think this is a reasonable comment. I don't think it makes you mafia but i can see why a townie would think like this and there is pretty much nothing wrong in the thought process. She is basically asking you why do you put Chezinu into your scum pile and not the other inactive people WHEN OTHER PEOPLE have expressed interest into lynching inactives. Regardless of if you said you want to or dont want to lynch inactives this very well COULD be a mafia thing to do. Basically at that point Chezinu has posted just as much content than anyone with 0 posts so basically he is an inactive. This could be rephrased as "I disagree that quishy is scummy because: " instead of using your read on squishy as an attack on my unrelated read on squishy. That's just wrong. | ||
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On August 19 2019 13:23 Fecalfeast wrote: 1: This post is a direct reply to copcake. She is insinuating that I think there's a blue in the AFKs because I disagree with the opposite (there being no blues in the AFKs). She then uses the fact that she actually DOES think there's a blue in the AFKs (what you are saying doesn't make her mafia) and that since we agree on that, it's odd for me to scumread her. This makes her mafia as a whole because she's using a perceived inconsistency in my thoughts to call herself towny. 2: I didn't read her post like that and if you're correct then it doesn't make her scummy. 3: Elaborate please, I think it's not wrong 1. You're in fact right and she should answer that. 3. She just elaborated on the whole squishy/HF scheme and imo it makes sense from her end. I know unflipped associations arent a good thing to do but i also find out her questioning on the matter reasonable for a townie. | ||
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On August 19 2019 13:26 Fecalfeast wrote: I saw this post and assumed that the opposite of demonize was defend. More of a nullish response to a scumread though That's the point she is trying to make. You incorrectly assumed HF defended squishy when he definitely didn't. | ||
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She is insinuating that I think there's a blue in the AFKs because I disagree with the opposite (there being no blues in the AFKs). She then uses the fact that she actually DOES think there's a blue in the AFKs (what you are saying doesn't make her mafia) and that since we agree on that, it's odd for me to scumread her. ? | ||
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I dont think we can agree on stuff so unless people who are here right now want to vote for Holyflare i guess i am hoping i am wrong and WARDER should be the lynch. I dont think Cake is mafia and that argument between her and FF doesnt look like mafia on either side, they dust disagree with fundamentals of the game. And also this lol, i just remembered it: On June 26 2018 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will tell you a secret. During work i went through every single mafia game i ever remember Cake playing on teamliquid and as mafia she has absolutely zero townreads during the first cycle. Literally zero.  | ||
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On August 19 2019 14:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I LIVE IN -7:00 PDT IT IS NOW 10 PM THIS IS DEADLINE This is what I saw as deadline the entire game I looked at the countdown and i am definitely certain it said we have 2,5 hours 1,5 hours ago.... | ||
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On August 19 2019 06:24 Eversince wrote: Day One Vote Count WARDER (2): Holyflare, Jockmcplop reps)squishy (1): Vivax (1): reps)squishy Eywa- (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Not Voting (8): Eywa-, WARDER, Chezinu, FecalFeast, raynpelikoneet, CopCake WARDER is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Monday, Aug 19 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in This is what i looked at, i dont trust the date tags because DST happens different times in different places so my clock on TL is basically almost always fucked up an hour to some direction. | ||
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You can claim i can end up with town reads on vivax/cake/jock, maybe i even would tbh, but saying i havent done anything is just an outright lie because i was there figuring out those people when were jacking off and THEN you put me into your scumpile AFTER you come to SAME conclusions i do because "rayn hasnt done anything". That is bs as fuck, and it is all in the thread for anyone to read. | ||
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People post some random shit. Vivax asks me if i am mafia. Vivax makes a couple of posts on FF where he is actually trying to do something and has some sort of a thought process (as in his "reaction test" or whatever shit that was on me). So well Vivax is already town here. There is no legwork to be done here because he should be read probably town here anyways. Jock's reasoning seems overexplained to me so i ask him about it. Jock doesn't freeze or give any bullshit answer -- just weird way of thinking things imo. Vivax seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. Cake seems to be thinking Jock is mafia. Jock seems to be thinking Cake is mafia. I hard-conter the "case" of Cake calling HF mafia comes from mafia because it doesn't make any sense. I dont really see any reasoning (other than Cake's on Jock later on) that could possibly be something else than mine. Jock doesn't actually call Cake anything until a bit later (when he agrees with HF's list), but inbetween there Cake doesn't really post anything regarding his argument earlier, and there are no other reasons presented for Cake being town other than mine, so why should i assume something else? Same goes with Vivax, i don't see why he'd change his mind unless it is for what i said (as we even discussed it). So yeah, you can say i didn't do it all but i was part of all the discussion in the thread at the time and the conclusion HF comes to is that i "have posted nothing". If you want to fucking nitpick like he does then yeah, this is simply a lie because i was actually there posting and even if i hadn't posted ANYTHING of substance (which is not the case here) that's still i lie because i have pretty much 2 pages of filter from that time. Also yeah, i didn't expicitly say where my townreads on Vivax and Jock come from but i didn't think i need to say that because those were pretty obvious reads to make and furthermore, if you have ever played with me and use any portion of your brain cells you can tell if i think someone is mafia or not purely based on how i answer to them and or / if i question tham and in which manner that happens. But apparently people don't use any brain anymore in these games. This is most likely the last mafia game i will ever play. Game is not for me when there is a "tone scum read" on me based on some bullshit question, then there are some mafiascum scrubs playing who can't form a (gameplaywise) reasonable sentence other than "youre mafia because your role pm says you are mafia". At least HF actually tries to provide some reasoning behind his reads, but that's also bad because he's nitpicking every fucking word in people's posts and when someone else does that nobody ever cares -- he gets away with it as mafia and loses games as town, and that's bad. But noone cares. And almost all the rest of the people afk the shit out, dont post at all and dont vote. What's the point of the game? Like i can discuss the game with squishy, ff, jock and cake but that's it. Others can go fuck themselves because that's not playing mafia. I havent done anything scummy in this game yet noone even seems to be having a reasonable read on me, Based on what i HAVE done (saying i havent done anything is just simply incorrect). I don't see a reason to discuss shit with anyone because even the players on the list above dont seem to be caring fuck about what i have to say. | ||
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On August 20 2019 05:29 Holyflare wrote: Do those posts look like he put in that effort? It just says Vivax doesn't play as mafia and Copcake is town and nothing more. Does that look like so much effort that we should town read him for it like he says? I have never ever said you should townread me for anything in this game. | ||
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On August 20 2019 05:34 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd prefer if you didn't quit rayn I decided it right after Eywa's shitpost and as long as i am alive i will probably vote for him and post pretty much nothing so at least people will get it right when they say i have not posted anything. | ||
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On August 09 2019 01:24 Eywa- wrote: I actually think Rayn reads the game pretty well, but his play style is pretty hard for me to work with, I find it very anti-town at times when it involves getting into arguments. I think killing him before getting his reads developed is a net loss for town though. I think he's almost always a good day 2 kill for reasons stated above though. Now i don't know what the last sentence says, i guess it is trying to say kill me N2 as mafia (as Eywa was mafia), otherwise the whole paragraph doesn't even make any sense. This is from the game before, Eywa was town in that game so once again there is no reason for him to lie about what he says here. The bolded parts are important (read the whole chain of quotes): On July 10 2019 03:00 Eywa- wrote: No, I haven't. But, yeah... Moral of the story I don't know how to read you yet. Now to this game, here are Eywa's first two posts: On August 19 2019 23:18 Eywa- wrote: Alright, well I read up (mostly) and I have a very obvious conclusion... Eywa is town. I have a few other thoughts... I'm town on copcake and FeFe at the moment too... Maybe vivax as well, but undecided as of yet. I have some scum reads, but I need to filter a bit more to confirm. First thing to note here is that in the first post Eywa doesn't post scumreads but instead says he needs to read filters to confirm. Second post says he 100% agrees with Vivax that i am mafia (i don't accept answer "or on sedatives" because after that he starts gunning on me but more on that later). The problem here is that either Eywa read my filter in one minute since that's the difference in times between those posts or that read is bs because if he already had a scumread on me i can't see any reason why the scumread on me isn't in the first post, who cares about town reads when you have a clear scumread? Another thing here (especially regarding the quotes from past games) is that (1) based on how he views my play regarding past games he should NOT have a scumread on me (especially based on the reasoning later on) and (2) in this game, based on what he has posted in his first post and later on we actually agree with pretty much on everything!!!! I also have FF and Cake as town, I also have Vivax town (those are his town reads), i also at least had HF as mafia at this point (which is Eywa's next scumread), so why am i scum again?? Because Eywa -- as per his words -- "tends to scumread me in every game because he finds it very difficult to come to mutual ground with you on pretty much everything"? Then let's go onto his reasoning of why i am mafia: On August 20 2019 07:50 Eywa- wrote: Rayn condemning my playstyle here while acknowledging a good performance in my last town game before this one is really suspect. I hate his playstyle except for the last game where he actually provided very good reasoning on my mafia partner and also on other people, something that is definitely not happening here. There is nothing scummy in calling his play here on this game bad because it is bad for a townie. On August 20 2019 07:52 Eywa- wrote: Also, that much AtE is really bad from town!Rayn and he should know better. I don't care if it's bad or not but almost every game i get pissed at something and thats what happens. That's not an AtE post even, that's a fuck you post. There is nothing scummy in that. On August 20 2019 07:53 Eywa- wrote: So... All signs point to scum!rayn And that's his scumread. See here is another thing that is funny. None of the things he called me mafia for happened before he called me mafia. Here is his scumread on Holyflare: HF shooting through PoE right now seems to go against his typical playstyle. I don't even know what this means or how this makes HF or anyone mafia in any situation without further explanation, which obviously never comes. Another funny fact just for shits and giggles: Na-ah bro, by your (wrong) definition of omgus you're the one omgusing because HF called you mafia first so this omgus thing makes you mafia now right? Here is his scumread on Jock: On August 20 2019 08:32 Eywa- wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if mafia were 2 of HF, Rayn and Jockmcplop. The first two being prioritized there. On August 21 2019 03:34 Eywa- wrote: I'm not liking this from Jockmcplop, after day 1 pocket attempt. I think this is an attempt to quickly adapt to the lines that were drawn by other players (mainly me going against Rayn). Pocketing move: I don't really see the value in town!jock throwing this out if he's just going to default scum reads to these players when they start being active day 2... I mean, Rayn stayed inactive and he's not scum reading Rayn, so it seems to go against what he's trying to accomplish here with his "townie move". So i don't really care what Eywa is actually trying to say Jock's scum motive is because i don't really understand the post in total but here's what i understand. The first post Eywa quoted from Jock is the post that triggers the scumread, without the first quoted post the second one (Jock made D1) isn't scummy because Eywa says "if he's just going to default [to something later on]". Sooo... Sooo... The problem here once again is that Eywa scumreads Jock before Jock has made the post he scumreads Jock for. TLDR; - Once again this picture fits. 2 out of 3 of Eywa's scumreads are based on stuff that happens AFTER they are his scumreads. Basically he is picking a target and then starts "finding reasons for why they are mafia". And that is a fucking mafia thing to do. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/4AKCK4j.png) - Reasoning on me doesn't even make sense based on what he has said before and what has happened in this game reads wise, neither does one on Holyflare. Not gonna defend Jock for Jock because i don't really care to figure out why some weird pocketing theory and other shit would be the most possible answer. So that's pretty much my 2c for today, i see again a lot of arguing between my townreads and last day phse i tried to engage and get the people who i think are town together but apparently that's same as doing nothing so you guys do whatever you do and i can go actually do nothing (or something else at least). ##vote Eywa- Good night. | ||
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On August 21 2019 14:14 reps)squishy wrote: I had you at null. I have not comprehended what you have said until the last 2 pages. You seem aight when you make sense. Can you explain what in the last pages makes sense or rather, what is good in a townie way in what Chezinu posted the last couple of pages? Do you still think mafia is jock and ff are mafia? if yes, what is wrong in cases against eywa since for damn sure there should be something wrong for you in them if eywa is not mafia. | ||
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On August 21 2019 17:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain what in the last pages makes sense or rather, what is good in a townie way in what Chezinu posted the last couple of pages? Do you still think mafia is jock and ff are mafia? if yes, what is wrong in cases against eywa since for damn sure there should be something wrong for you in them if eywa is not mafia. | ||
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On August 22 2019 04:56 reps)squishy wrote: For Chez these posts were not bad, I could understand them thus "make sense." + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2019 12:50 Chezinu wrote: Anyways, what do you think about Holyflare? Is his rigid logical style too harsh? Would he play this as mafia to hide his emotions? On August 21 2019 13:19 Chezinu wrote: 1. J O C K M C P L O P 2. H O L Y F L A R E 3. E Y W A - 4. W A R D E R 5. V I V A X 6. 7. F E C A L F E A S T 8. R A Y N P E L I K O N E E T 9. C O P C A K E 1 0 . R E P S ) S Q U I S H Y 1 of 3 mafia 1. J O C K M C P L O P 2. H O L Y F L A R E 3. E Y W A - 1 of 4 mafia 7. F E C A L F E A S T 8. R A Y N P E L I K O N E E T 9. C O P C A K E 1 0 . R E P S ) S Q U I S H Y Jock and FF are my leads. FF is still my vote. Eywa with the votes on him is just getting flustered, still forming my opinion we have hours still to go Okay let's start with the first post; What is Chezinu saying there in the post? | ||
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