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On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
I’m straight up hacker scum yo. Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia? People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players. People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas. So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact. You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads. Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!
And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here.
It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way.
But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta.
I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia.
Therefore, all their conclusions are shit
I couldn’t think of that at the time.
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On July 29 2019 23:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:First 10 posts from our QT + Show Spoiler +1 \Grack
This is the QT for the hyda
2\ Jock
Thanks grack hi bugs
3\ Jock probably gonna lurk at first
4\ Bugs FIrst thought we rolled scum but turns out we're green yay
l be here for moral support and guidance and to occasionally shit on logical fallacies from other players
If we end up agreeing independently on a scumread before giving each other our own reasons we can play good cop bad cop
5\ Jock Agrees
6\ Long bugs post on rayn and why he's mafia
7\ Jock - gonna make a spreadhseet - rayn is silly
8\ Basically a copy of the early list post i did that everyone hated with a couple of extra bits that weren't for the thread.
9\ Bugs another set of reads:
FF - lean town. Maybe strongest read I have
Eywa - lean town
Tube - lean town
Coag - lean town
10\ Bugs those mafia reads on us are hilarious
-J
And they were all town too.
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On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.
Nope I almost want to lunch you for this.
Anyone voting the hydra from now on makes me suspect them.
Least I can do is say i am sorry. Trying to cut it down and work for my posts but goddamn sometimes I know something and aren’t sure why alright?
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On July 30 2019 02:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 02:01 Alakaslam wrote:On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
I’m straight up hacker scum yo. Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia? People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players. People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas. So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact. You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads. Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read! And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here. It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way.But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta. I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia. Therefore, all their conclusions are shit I couldn’t think of that at the time. How do people GET social sway, Slam? By being consistently wrong and unconvincing and never making sense or what?
By tickling ears. Every social bee has been wrong plenty too, and misses recognition.
I respect a lot of players that others don’t because I see when they are right, and decide to stop caring because reasons or whatever.
I do not admire the loaded questions popular people use unless it is when they are at least half right or more. Hence I still admire you, BH, etc. And the best types were Foolishness, Ver, incógnita, hapahauli- I understand 100% their respect commanded.
I don’t understand why Tubesock doesn’t have more, why Hurricane Sponge never got off the ground, why, ah, who was it, the other guy with a V name who was an asshole so even I hated him but he was actually an amazing blue hunter, he just left because he never got any sway so he was like “what the hell I’d be better off trolling like the dumbasses who follow Chezinu”
But they get social sway by having catch phrases and using loaded questions to shut down their target regardless of their target’s actual alignment. They get popular by lynching people consistently more than by being right consistently. By trumpeting their skills when they are right and saying that the player sucked/had a bad defense when they are wrong.
I consider that a low blow and dishonorable. I refuse to engage in it. I occasionally try to garner a little respect by pointing out I can be right when I am confident, but I don’t shut people down and I hear them out so
That makes me bad? So I sometimes decide, “why even try in this one?”
I don’t martyr every game.
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So new townreads are Hydra May as well be blue, HF, maybe the smurf.
I am thinking Eywa too.
Null is Eversince, Koshi, FF, Meapak,
Can’t remember anyone else and I am willing to reread and give thoughts, but I suspect people would see that as shitting up the thread rather than useful.
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All things considered,
If I look so terrible maybe Koshi has TMI? His whole sheeping me, why would he do that as either alignment?
As scum, why sheep a decently scummy player?
Unless he saw that all my reads are wrong.
We can’t afford an info Lynch can we?
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On July 30 2019 02:27 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 02:25 Alakaslam wrote:
So new townreads are Hydra May as well be blue, HF, maybe the smurf. Branch.AUT
I am thinking Eywa too.
Null is Eversince, Koshi, FF, Meapak,
Can’t remember anyone else and I am willing to reread and give thoughts, but I suspect people would see that as shitting up the thread rather than useful. Give thoughts! The thread is dead anyway. Read pandain he's a bit of a mystery at the moment. Eversince is whaaaaaaaaat she normally all over the thread. If I'd subbed in as town I'd be extra keen too. -J
Pandain that’a right. I think his filter is short too.
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On July 24 2019 17:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 17:33 Koshi wrote:
We paid our honours 10 seconds apart from each other Pandain! Are you town too? Still hits me hard  My activity today is going to be really low, I apologize. I'm not going to be final on Rayn yet obviously, but the hydra has been far from inactive this game and the scumread on jock because "He's afraid to post" is bad for two reasons: 1. He's been posting a lot 2. He's doing a scumread meta based on his one scum game that was his first game on this site about five months ago or so. I think it's just really lazy and weak arguments and I don't know how he actually believes them.
Did he just say the hydra had a read on Jock?
....?!?!
On July 24 2019 17:41 Pandain wrote:
HF making great points so far and is town (or at least pro-town so far). I think Slam is town too.
Ok, I don’t mind this but right after it is
On July 24 2019 20:20 Pandain wrote:
Your case on Rayn is the only good case I've seen so far and I agree with it. I also would add that I thought it was weird as hell he latched on to scumreading you when all you did was vote coagulation (as if that's a tell in either direction).
I also don't feel compelled to respond to people who write things like "haven't read his posts but I think he's scum" and "him making great points makes him mafia"
In the context of this.
Considering how I was playing. If he didn’t agree with me and didn’t like my spam per se, why did he townread me? At the time a lot of town were townreading me. Vivax, tubesock, I was defending Rayn, from scum’s perspective I think I looked really quite badass early on because most of my wrongness was as regards Chezinu who they did not know was Cop.
On July 24 2019 20:30 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 20:23 Holyflare wrote:On July 24 2019 20:20 Pandain wrote:
Your case on Rayn is the only good case I've seen so far and I agree with it. I also would add that I thought it was weird as hell he latched on to scumreading you when all you did was vote coagulation (as if that's a tell in either direction).
I also don't feel compelled to respond to people who write things like "haven't read his posts but I think he's scum" and "him making great points makes him mafia" What do you think of mz then? I think he's scummy and would much rather he be the counter lynch rather than Jock/Bugs (remind me again why anyone is voting for them? He has a really bad argument on you (something about muddying waters? don't really get it) and then has basically a list post later on.
But then he posts this, which is so bad if he is mafia. He should have let them get lynched.
Two minds are better than one. And they had a QT, that they could share whenever Holyflare asked 
So rather than assuming “perfect info” and building a scumreading, I’m gonna add Pandain to my townpile.
This progression doesn’t make sense as scum to me, he shouldn’t mind the wagon being Hydra instead of MZ.
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On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote:Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc... Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons. 1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1 Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn. Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases. 2. His vote on me He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 07:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote:
Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him. Yup this is why he got my vote as well. HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback. Great rep for rolling mafia. On July 26 2019 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote:
Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁 Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable. Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF. On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work. I personally am not giving HF much heat because 1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm. 2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD 3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread. As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town. This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow. What do you think of Coag and FF then? -wherebugsgo This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is. WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short. "HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl On July 26 2019 23:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 23:51 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 23:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 16:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote:I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit. On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
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I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
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This guy is town most likely.
Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:
0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot. Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him. As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument. First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well” Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that. If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly. + Show Spoiler +i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb -wherebugsgo Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth. I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere. I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that. In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already. -wherebugsgo You do know that 1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable. 1. So is HF your top scumread or not? 2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town? -wherebugsgo K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum. 2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts? I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town. Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.  If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.-wherebugsgo Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF On July 26 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote:
It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference. Yes! I ask you why you behave redly. You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias! But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote:Chezinu y u so mafia? On July 27 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider. I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons. I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were. Good chance to be mafia
Also, I don’t think this comes from mafia.
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On July 27 2019 04:33 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 04:13 Alakaslam wrote:On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote:Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc... Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons. 1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1 On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn. Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases. 2. His vote on me He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 07:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote:
Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him. Yup this is why he got my vote as well. HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback. Great rep for rolling mafia. On July 26 2019 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote:
Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁 Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable. Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF. On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work. I personally am not giving HF much heat because 1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm. 2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD 3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread. As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town. This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow. What do you think of Coag and FF then? -wherebugsgo This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is. WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short. "HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl On July 26 2019 23:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 23:51 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 23:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 16:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote:I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit. On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
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I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
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This guy is town most likely.
Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:
0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot. Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him. As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument. First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well” Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that. If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly. + Show Spoiler +i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb -wherebugsgo Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth. I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere. I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that. In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already. -wherebugsgo You do know that 1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable. 1. So is HF your top scumread or not? 2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town? -wherebugsgo K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum. 2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts? I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town. Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense. If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.-wherebugsgo Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF On July 26 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote:
It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference. Yes! I ask you why you behave redly. You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias! But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote:Chezinu y u so mafia? On July 27 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider. I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons. I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were. Good chance to be mafia Please tell me what the case on Rayn was then? Because I don’t see it. Six people voted Rayn. Six. Show nested quote +On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
I find it weird how you found me weird and haven't done anything about it in 40 mins though. Show nested quote +On July 23 2019 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Took you far too long to even accuse me of anything and it was shit. Show nested quote +On July 23 2019 19:34 Holyflare wrote:
And on top of that you said I'm weird this game, did nothing, then wrote a case saying my initial posts were fine. So why were they originally cause for concern rayn? Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 03:43 Holyflare wrote:On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well w/e gonna write on phone.
I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after. I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more. I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag. On July 23 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote:
Wut why is there a night 0? On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on? On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote:
Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this. Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all: On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote:I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though  So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense. Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still. Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 03:56 Holyflare wrote:This is the timeline: 1. HF makes post about palmar/pandain 1012. HF votes coag 102
3. Rayn says HF is weird because of the Pandain posts and vote on coag 1044. HF explains how he was going to go in a rant about n0 kills and forming a list of suspects 1065. Rayn makes a case on HF 112
The problem with this case is that it says you are FINE with my Pandain posts after having literally just said in 104 how weird my Pandain posts were! You THEN scum read me for the rant bit (clear misunderstanding, fine, but the first point still stands).6. HF clarifies expertly 1137. Rayn says that makes sense 1178. Rayn rants at Koshi and says HF makes fair point about Coag 123
There is conflicting info here. Point 3 contradicts point 5 (where you say you are FINE with my Pandain posts) and point 3 also contradicts point 8 where you agree with the Coag points!! So, you either lied about the Coag and Pandain points making me "weird" since you say you LIKED them in both your case and your rant at Koshi or you've been caught out. Either way, I'm actually voting you now and implore everyone else to do the same. ##vote raynpelikoneet Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 17:40 Pandain wrote:On July 24 2019 17:33 Koshi wrote:
We paid our honours 10 seconds apart from each other Pandain! Are you town too? Still hits me hard My activity today is going to be really low, I apologize. I'm not going to be final on Rayn yet obviously, but the hydra has been far from inactive this game and the scumread on jock because "He's afraid to post" is bad for two reasons: 1. He's been posting a lot 2. He's doing a scumread meta based on his one scum game that was his first game on this site about five months ago or so. I think it's just really lazy and weak arguments and I don't know how he actually believes them. Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 14:05 Koshi wrote:
rayn mafia:
1) He doesnt clearly enough explain why the people he calls mafia are mafia.
2) Expresses his mafia read on me too confidently. You have seven pages of filter. You've been constantly active. I refuse to believe you somehow missed all of these posts as town. Instead it's much more likely you were skimming any points on rayn because you know he's town and so never took those cases seriously.
Man this is pissing me off all over again.
HF being culturally unaware and Pandain just eating it up because it’s HF. People have been on this world forum for ages and still don’t get ESL struggles? I am not buying THAT! But whatever.
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On July 27 2019 04:39 Pandain wrote:
Eywa's filter shit and sounds like a giant ass. Unfortunately last game her filter was shit and sounded like a giant ass.
still not a bad lynch though if we can't come to an agreement on other people
Lol I got it from Pandain?
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On July 27 2019 05:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
I just read Rayn.
I catastrophically misunderstood him. how is it even about misunderstanding rayn? you "misunderstood" the entire thread despite actively reading and responding in it
God almighty no I didn’t you ass.
I transposed vivax’s reads to him. I didn’t completely and totally misunderstand every post.
Transposing reads from one player to another is pretty catastrophic though, wouldn’t you agree? But I still got and understood Rayn the whole way. Better than anyone else I might add. But whatever, I’m unpopular because I am a shitty troll, no one sees with the eyes of CHUPAZI so may they all walk in the dizziness beyond all control -_-
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On July 27 2019 06:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 06:00 Tubesock wrote:On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote:Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc... Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons. 1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1 On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote:
From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn. Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases. 2. His vote on me He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 07:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote:
Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him. Yup this is why he got my vote as well. HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback. Great rep for rolling mafia. On July 26 2019 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote:
Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁 Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable. Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote:
In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF. On July 26 2019 07:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:23 Tubesock wrote:On July 26 2019 07:16 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote:
FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing. Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing? I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely) I want to see more opinions on this list of players: FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read. -wherebugsgo My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting. My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work. I personally am not giving HF much heat because 1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm. 2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD 3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread. As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town. This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow. What do you think of Coag and FF then? -wherebugsgo This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is. WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short. "HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl On July 26 2019 23:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 23:51 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 23:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 16:22 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:33 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote:I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit. On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
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I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote:
I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote:
Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
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This guy is town most likely.
Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote:
What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize:
1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too
2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively
3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote:
0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous. On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot. Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him. As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument. First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well” Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that. If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly. + Show Spoiler +i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb -wherebugsgo Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth. I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere. I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that. In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already. -wherebugsgo You do know that 1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable. 1. So is HF your top scumread or not? 2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town? -wherebugsgo K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum. 2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts? I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town. Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense. If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.-wherebugsgo Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF On July 26 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote:
It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference. Yes! I ask you why you behave redly. You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias! But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote:Chezinu y u so mafia? On July 27 2019 02:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider. I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons. I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were. Good chance to be mafia In your words what happened to rayn? Where is the misrepresentation? I agree with Slam. Concerning point 2. I mean sure. You admitted you haven't been active and it's not even a bad reason to lynch you. He explained HF and also said he just personally likes Chezinu. So I can see why he would vote you instead. I've voted for people who were policy over people I thought might be scum but were funny to me so.... Not at all. Slam stated that the case on Rayn was only "he's anti town because he gets angry". It's not at all what anyone was really saying except Jugs (who were not even the main proponents of the lynch and they were the last ones to vote
K here is the thing that pisses people like Rayn, me off.
We cut to the core of an argument. People get distracted by fluff and think by pontificating, they mean something different and forget what they are actually saying, which is why I asked you all to explain to me what the case was organically, not keep pointing to the past and quoting posts and whatnot.
Because you wouldn’t have anything to say because frankly you didn’t remember because, what I was saying, at the core, was true. That from getting angry and misunderstanding sarcasm (that I also missed!) and from making a couple ESL mistakes came a whole load of bullshit about Ryan being scum.
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He also remarked that I had higher scumreads I wasn’t voting.
Well, I think my policies of not lynching HF early because people make him out to look bad through fear have paid off, and it would also have been great if everyone loved Chezinu a little more this game.
Pandain was a better vote than either.
Uncanny, but right.
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On July 30 2019 02:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Eywa spends all of day championing a rayn lynch citing her site's amazing scum hit rate on day 1, called rayn bad for being town and then immediately dropped off the face of the earth.
This is some basic level scum shit and nobody cares oh well
Eywa is macho
Eywa doesn’t wear lipstick
Eywa was like wtf when he saw people calling him her
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Also Eywa was at a wedding
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On July 28 2019 02:19 Pandain wrote:
that hard defense of slam by koshi is really, really bad.
like he's even saying "I'll sheep you" when Koshi has been independently thinking about reads, coming to conclusions, having his own scum reads, etc... (i.e. no reason to sheep which is normally when you're uncertain/no time)
See I felt this way too, at the time. I think Pandain May have been onto something.
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On July 28 2019 02:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2019 02:26 Pandain wrote:On July 28 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:Lynching Chezinu gives us a shit tonne of info for tomorrow just trust me what information? i actually really want an answer to this because I think its complete bullshit
More townie points
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But the further I read in his filter he seems like he was waffling a lot on Chezinu Lynch, and then almost happy with the result.
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On July 30 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
I just wanted to fake claim parity cop and die lol :D
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