EPTHe didn't exactly townread ES, he just gave her a pass for now if i'm reading it right.
I have absolutely no reason to townread him either yet though.
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Jockmcplop
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He didn't exactly townread ES, he just gave her a pass for now if i'm reading it right. I have absolutely no reason to townread him either yet though. | ||
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On July 03 2019 15:03 Pandain wrote: I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game. I'm not happy with your playstyle really this game pandain. It seems mafia to me. But there's someone that seemsmore mafia so ima change my vote for now. ##unvote ##vote eywa | ||
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On July 03 2019 13:14 Eywa- wrote: I don't know that I would read much into it, because I also deviated from my standard gameplay to write to you because you seemed distressed. . You've been in games with distressed people before and not deviated one bit from your playstyle. What's special about this game in particular? | ||
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On July 03 2019 15:42 Jockmcplop wrote: You've been in games with distressed people before and not deviated one bit from your playstyle. What's special about this game in particular? I only bring this up because it seems tome like you explained yourself in response to vote pressure from ES, which is something you would never, ever normally do. | ||
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On July 03 2019 16:22 Pandain wrote: Jock why are you voting Eywa? I explained above. Eywa would never normally deviate from her (I think its her - sorry if i got this wrong) playstyle no matter what. Now suddenly she is explaining herself fully when ES puts pressure on. That looks mafia to me. I'm also clutching at straws somewhat because although both you and eywa seem mafia to me, I have no other scum reads and at this point neither of you are particularly strong reads right now. I'm hoping something happens today that gives me something better to go on tbh. Everyone else seems willing to just say 'fuck it' and vote for ES because she's the only person anyone has made a proper case on (even though all of the cases against ES are weak imo and all based on stuff that doesn't necessarily make her mafia). | ||
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On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote: For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though. It might take me a while to get this done because I'm at work. | ||
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On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote: Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case. | ||
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##unvote ##vote grack | ||
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On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote: This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case. THis is different to how he opened the last game. He was similarly lazy, but not in an engaged way, just in the way that he could get busy later on. This game it seems like people are almost feeding him crumbs to get him going and all he's doing is going ' yeah ok', but still watching the thread and taking notice. Why not question rayn's townread? It seems odd like it came out of nowhere. While we're on that, rayn why did you townread him so definitely early on? | ||
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On July 03 2019 17:03 Pandain wrote: To me, it's just the fact it's obvious he doesn't care about trying to find mafia (or the game at all really) combined with the fact he's posting a decent amount. That contradiction only makes sense if he's mafia. It's a good question for Rayn. But honestly he strikes me as so townie I can't see my townread on him changing bar something crazy happening. Rayns seems town to me too, which makes me more interested in what he sees in grack that gives him a townread. | ||
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On July 03 2019 17:10 Pandain wrote: Also, HF's point on ES is that "she said she knew my mafia meta! But it's not correct, this means she's scum and trying to fake a read!" That's not a good argument, people are wrong all the time. It could easily be town, do you think only mafia are wrong about meta's? Rayn's biggest point is the "m!grack doesn't make any sense" contradiction. But if you read the original ES quote, it's clear that ES is saying that in one particular context mafia grack doesn't seem likely. And later on she says overall, Grack could be playing mafia or town. I get his point but it's not that strong and I could easily see town making it. This is exactly what I've been saying. If you just look at the vote count you would think there's some serious evidence that ES is mafia, but there isn't any, there's just a multitude of bad cases. If anything this makes it less likely that ES is mafia, if that rubbish is all people cna find on her. | ||
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On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote: I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk! It would be in your interest to take a look at grack, given that he's now the alternate wagon to you! | ||
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On July 03 2019 17:52 Pandain wrote: @ES Convince me that Eywa is mafia. Make a post with support and quoted posts. Do you want ES specifically to do this? | ||
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On July 03 2019 18:08 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree with your conclusion. She's meekly soft defended grack all game and then sprinkled "hesitance" and done nothing with it. They could easily be mafia together, or she could know he's town. Both things point to a mafia es because grack looks absolutely shit and a free lynch for literally anyone to hop onto. At least pandain's conclusion on this has logic behind it. It makes sense that if ES is scum, she pretty much has to find a reason to vote grack to stay alive and keep mafia in the game. This is much better logic than 'She got a meta read on me wrong, therefore she is scum' which absolutely zero fucking sense at all. | ||
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hf said it just above, pandain was talking to hf | ||
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Although I've made some good points, none of the stuff that I've dug up or found to scumread people is particularly convincing even to me, and that includes the grack stuff today. I just can't get a good mafia read on anyone. I have a town read on rayn, a slight town read on conversion and anyone else could be mafia at this point. I also think ES is town after this morning. ##unvote | ||
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On July 03 2019 18:51 Pandain wrote: Honestly Jock I think you established yourself as clear town. Both you and Rayn. That is the #1 thing you can do at this point, even more important than lynching scum day 1 imo. Yeah fair enough. I'm just going to wait until near deadline and put my vote on whichever wagon looks like the best option. Its playing percentages and not likely to be effective but I'm always bad at scumhunting on day 1 when the game plays out like this. I still want to build my spreadsheet though, so I'm going to focus on that. It usually helps me see through the fog a bit. | ||
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On July 03 2019 04:35 Eywa- wrote: I don't think you're the only good lynch, but I think you're the most likely to get lynched of the narrow pool of acceptable lynches. The difference is negligible, so we can say you're the best lynch... or tied for the slot at least. You never mentioned who else would be a good lynch | ||
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On July 03 2019 19:12 Holyflare wrote: I can because I can simultaneously think Grack is mafia and do. I'm not saying this wouldn't be possible but it would be the worst possible play for ES not to join the grack train if she was mafia. It pretty much guarantees a town win if she gets lynched today. | ||
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