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On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel.
I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself.
I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though. It might take me a while to get this done because I'm at work.
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Grack's posting like he doesn't give a fuck. But then he has actually posted a decent amount so it's clear he's following and reading the thread.
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On July 03 2019 16:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though. It might take me a while to get this done because I'm at work.
Yeah decent point. I'll say Conv. is null to slightly town. To me he's mostly null.
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On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it.
On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote:
Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet,
This is what I see in grack's filter.
He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason.
I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two.
If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town?
If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case.
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I actually like the grack vote.
##unvote
##vote grack
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On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it. Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote:
Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case.
THis is different to how he opened the last game. He was similarly lazy, but not in an engaged way, just in the way that he could get busy later on. This game it seems like people are almost feeding him crumbs to get him going and all he's doing is going ' yeah ok', but still watching the thread and taking notice.
Why not question rayn's townread? It seems odd like it came out of nowhere.
While we're on that, rayn why did you townread him so definitely early on?
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On July 03 2019 17:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it. On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote:
Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case. THis is different to how he opened the last game. He was similarly lazy, but not in an engaged way, just in the way that he could get busy later on. This game it seems like people are almost feeding him crumbs to get him going and all he's doing is going ' yeah ok', but still watching the thread and taking notice. Why not question rayn's townread? It seems odd like it came out of nowhere. While we're on that, rayn why did you townread him so definitely early on?
To me, it's just the fact it's obvious he doesn't care about trying to find mafia (or the game at all really) combined with the fact he's posting a decent amount. That contradiction only makes sense if he's mafia.
It's a good question for Rayn. But honestly he strikes me as so townie I can't see my townread on him changing bar something crazy happening.
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On July 03 2019 17:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:01 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it. On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote:
Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case. THis is different to how he opened the last game. He was similarly lazy, but not in an engaged way, just in the way that he could get busy later on. This game it seems like people are almost feeding him crumbs to get him going and all he's doing is going ' yeah ok', but still watching the thread and taking notice. Why not question rayn's townread? It seems odd like it came out of nowhere. While we're on that, rayn why did you townread him so definitely early on? To me, it's just the fact it's obvious he doesn't care about trying to find mafia (or the game at all really) combined with the fact he's posting a decent amount. That contradiction only makes sense if he's mafia. It's a good question for Rayn. But honestly he strikes me as so townie I can't see my townread on him changing bar something crazy happening.
Rayns seems town to me too, which makes me more interested in what he sees in grack that gives him a townread.
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Also, HF's point on ES is that "she said she knew my mafia meta! But it's not correct, this means she's scum and trying to fake a read!" That's not a good argument, people are wrong all the time. It could easily be town, do you think only mafia are wrong about meta's?
Rayn's biggest point is the "m!grack doesn't make any sense" contradiction. But if you read the original ES quote, it's clear that ES is saying that in one particular context mafia grack doesn't seem likely. And later on she says overall, Grack could be playing mafia or town. I get his point but it's not that strong and I could easily see town making it.
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On July 03 2019 17:10 Pandain wrote:
Also, HF's point on ES is that "she said she knew my mafia meta! But it's not correct, this means she's scum and trying to fake a read!" That's not a good argument, people are wrong all the time. It could easily be town, do you think only mafia are wrong about meta's?
Rayn's biggest point is the "m!grack doesn't make any sense" contradiction. But if you read the original ES quote, it's clear that ES is saying that in one particular context mafia grack doesn't seem likely. And later on she says overall, Grack could be playing mafia or town. I get his point but it's not that strong and I could easily see town making it.
This is exactly what I've been saying. If you just look at the vote count you would think there's some serious evidence that ES is mafia, but there isn't any, there's just a multitude of bad cases. If anything this makes it less likely that ES is mafia, if that rubbish is all people cna find on her.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Vote Count
Eversince: (4) Raynpelikoneet, Eywa-, Holyflare, conversion
Grackaroni: (3) Trfel, Pandain, Jockmcplop
trfel: (1) Grackaroni
Eywa-: (1) Eversince
not voting (0):
currently Eversince is set to be lynched
until deadline. (Wednesday, Jul 03 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
voting is mandatory.
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Also Blazinghand has posted a lot but mainly only list posts. Anyone else think this is suspicious?
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I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk!
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On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk!
It would be in your interest to take a look at grack, given that he's now the alternate wagon to you!
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On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk!
Just read the last two pages.
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On July 03 2019 17:41 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk! It would be in your interest to take a look at grack, given that he's now the alternate wagon to you!
I've already said what I feel about Grack. His poor contribution after I defend him so hard is bleh though. I'd be ok with lynching him to be honest.
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No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first.
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On July 03 2019 17:49 Eversince wrote:
No actually Grack can wait I still think what Ewya did is so scummy, This needs dealt with first.
Does mafia eversince ever refuse to join the only conceivable counterlynch to her?
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On July 03 2019 17:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 17:35 Eversince wrote:
I got called off to work. but I'm back now if people want to talk! Just read the last two pages.
I already did silly!
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I don't think ES is crazy/meta enough to do something like that. It's obvious she's been desperate to survive, if she was mafia she would jump at the opportunity to lynch someone she has expressed doubts about before.
@conf, HF, Rayn please comment on this.
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