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On July 03 2019 12:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 12:57 Eversince wrote:On July 03 2019 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Can I ask, what was the post you made that you feel is very good? Feel good about what? The one regarding Eywa/Conv that you mentioned.
My filter is full of it but I'll recap real fast.
Conv/Ewya both came into thread, throw easy vote on ES, didn't explain it, disappear. I feel better about Ewya actually trying to park a vote with no reasoning here than Conv. Conv that early could be just t!Conv having a problem with that I general play "Hey! lets get this thing moving already!" He was around super early so I think Ewya looks way worse for doing it.
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On July 03 2019 13:14 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 11:52 Eversince wrote:
What's people think about Pandains cheap in thread, "Go sleep", comment on nothing else, gone.. Because I'm finding it off myself. I don't know that I would read much into it, because I also deviated from my standard gameplay to write to you because you seemed distressed.  I'll wager it's not gameplay tactics from Pandain.
Why really? I'm under tons of pressure. Why would m!Pand not try to silence me? Going silent at that time is literally the worse move t!ES can make.
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Ewya every post you make makes me think your more mafia. Your play here makes absolute no sense.
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On July 03 2019 13:43 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 13:14 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 11:52 Eversince wrote:
What's people think about Pandains cheap in thread, "Go sleep", comment on nothing else, gone.. Because I'm finding it off myself. I don't know that I would read much into it, because I also deviated from my standard gameplay to write to you because you seemed distressed. I'll wager it's not gameplay tactics from Pandain. Why really? I'm under tons of pressure. Why would m!Pand not try to silence me? Going silent at that time is literally the worse move t!ES can make.
I do want answer to this.
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I'm back, awake for a little if anyone wants to discuss what to do!
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On July 02 2019 17:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you? Pandain if you're reading this is a question I'd like an answer to please...
I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game.
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On July 02 2019 03:42 Pandain wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you that ES is relaxed, and if she keeps this up for a whole day that's a different story. I would just never make a townread this early based on that. So Pandain, Eversince has kept it up for 3/4 of a day now....
Any comments?
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I gotta finish reading first
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On July 03 2019 15:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 17:00 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you? Pandain if you're reading this is a question I'd like an answer to please... I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game.
I'm not happy with your playstyle really this game pandain. It seems mafia to me. But there's someone that seemsmore mafia so ima change my vote for now.
##unvote
##vote eywa
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On July 03 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 15:03 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 17:00 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you? Pandain if you're reading this is a question I'd like an answer to please... I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game. I'm not happy with your playstyle really this game pandain. It seems mafia to me. But there's someone that seemsmore mafia so ima change my vote for now. ##unvote##vote eywa
I'm glad I have your strong endorsement.
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Vote Count
Eversince: (5) Pandain, Raynpelikoneet, Eywa-, Holyflare, conversion
trfel: (1) Grackaroni
Eywa-: (2) Eversince, jockmcplop
Grackaroni: (1) Trfel
not voting (0):
currently Eversince is set to be lynched
until deadline. (Wednesday, Jul 03 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
voting is mandatory.
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On July 03 2019 13:14 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 11:52 Eversince wrote:
What's people think about Pandains cheap in thread, "Go sleep", comment on nothing else, gone.. Because I'm finding it off myself. I don't know that I would read much into it, because I also deviated from my standard gameplay to write to you because you seemed distressed.
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You've been in games with distressed people before and not deviated one bit from your playstyle.
What's special about this game in particular?
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On July 03 2019 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 02:11 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 02:08 Eywa- wrote:
I think if Eversince flips mafia, then this game is just super easy going forward.
So, thats where I'm going today okay what's gonna happen if eversince is mafia? I don't do associatives pre-flip but if Eversince flips mafia, then this game is just super easy going forwardcan you explain that comment then?
Eywa you never answered this.
You said game is super easy going forward if ES is mafia.
But you said you're not thinking about pre-flip associations.
What's the deal? Why will game be easy if ES flips?
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On July 03 2019 15:42 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 13:14 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 11:52 Eversince wrote:
What's people think about Pandains cheap in thread, "Go sleep", comment on nothing else, gone.. Because I'm finding it off myself. I don't know that I would read much into it, because I also deviated from my standard gameplay to write to you because you seemed distressed.
. You've been in games with distressed people before and not deviated one bit from your playstyle. What's special about this game in particular?
I only bring this up because it seems tome like you explained yourself in response to vote pressure from ES, which is something you would never, ever normally do.
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On July 03 2019 07:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. (...) Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:24 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 16:18 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game? I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013. Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed". To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense? Oh I'm a bad reader. I thought you were talking about this game. [b]@Pandain[b], I really don't get this progression. Help me understand? You were townreading me, then you went to a slight townread, then you downgraded to null. Sure, whatever. What I don't get is that to explain the slight townread changing to a null, you quoted this post and bolded a phrase, shown above. And then when that turned out to be not what you thought it was, you just left it. So help me explain, how did the quote in question affect your read on me, and when it turned out to be irrelevant why did your read not adjust? But I do like Pandain's post about Grackaroni. So I'm hesitant on him currently.
You said something like "after it became clear ES was town" and I thought you were referencing this game. That would have been a crazy definitive opinion on this game so early in the game. But it turns out you were talking about ES last game so its null
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Okay, as long as Eywa's explanation for the above doesn't suck (but if it does, this completely changes)
Strong town reads: Rayn, Eywa
Pretty likely town: Jock
Have no idea why people are town reading Conversion. The guy has done nothing really substantial.
For ES, I'm not sure. Honestly I started skipping alot of her posts. A lot of her reasoning is ..not good, but I don't think either of Rayn's or HF's points are good.
Grack is actually a great town player but he's still done nothing meaningful so there's that.
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel.
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I'll try to filter them all later today and make a meaningful decision later
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Jock why are you voting Eywa?
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On July 03 2019 16:22 Pandain wrote:
Jock why are you voting Eywa?
I explained above.
Eywa would never normally deviate from her (I think its her - sorry if i got this wrong) playstyle no matter what. Now suddenly she is explaining herself fully when ES puts pressure on. That looks mafia to me.
I'm also clutching at straws somewhat because although both you and eywa seem mafia to me, I have no other scum reads and at this point neither of you are particularly strong reads right now. I'm hoping something happens today that gives me something better to go on tbh.
Everyone else seems willing to just say 'fuck it' and vote for ES because she's the only person anyone has made a proper case on (even though all of the cases against ES are weak imo and all based on stuff that doesn't necessarily make her mafia).
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On July 03 2019 16:40 Jockmcplop wrote:I explained above. Eywa would never normally deviate from her (I think its her - sorry if i got this wrong) playstyle no matter what. Now suddenly she is explaining herself fully when ES puts pressure on. That looks mafia to me. I'm also clutching at straws somewhat because although both you and eywa seem mafia to me, I have no other scum reads and at this point neither of you are particularly strong reads right now. I'm hoping something happens today that gives me something better to go on tbh. Everyone else seems willing to just say 'fuck it' and vote for ES because she's the only person anyone has made a proper case on (even though all of the cases against ES are weak imo and all based on stuff that doesn't necessarily make her mafia).
Look at Grack. Guy has literally nothing in his filter that is townie. Meanwhile he played a really strong town game the past two games, even if he trolled a bit in the beginning he normally always gives good thoughts.
The most insightful thing he posted is his defense of ES, but he hardly is even pushing that. He seems extremely content to let her be lynched even though he thinks she is town.
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