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On July 02 2019 15:43 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:38 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 15:34 Eversince wrote:
Ok, but giving townread to Truffles for engaging and dropping me is like bleh. This is not why I'm giving a townread to Trfels. I'm giving a townread because I didn't think it was likely for a mafia to make a strong town read so early in the game. Not for anything to do with engagement or activity. Oh wait! I think I get this now. You don't think m!Truffles try to buddy me so early for no reason? I'm active, but that doesn't mean much, I'm doing my usual self, so m!Truffles never just throws himself off a radio tower here? Null on me because of previous?
Maybe. You're probably right it's not that strong an argument.
And yeah null on you because if you were mafia, you would have an extremely strong incentive to try and mimic your past town play and post alot.
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Conf is blah but I think Grack was way worse. Grack actually played an extremely strong two last town games, but all he has done this game is
On July 02 2019 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 07:43 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:On July 02 2019 03:22 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:16 Eversince wrote:On July 02 2019 03:11 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 03:07 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 02:38 Pandain wrote:
I'm mafia
AMA Weren't you one of the people who got mad at me and scumread me for doing the same thing a few games ago? Never mind I'm confusing you with someone else. Carry on  I think Eversince is town, discuss? Why do you think I'm town? Your posts feel so carefree and relaxed and comfortable, which is the complete opposite of your last game as mafia, which felt very rigid and forced. Plus, instead of relying on losing the wifi hotspot and the pre-game excuse, you seem to have redoubled your efforts to engage in the game and be involved. To me that makes a decent townread I don’t like this post. ick Care to say why? ICK. (sorry)
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On July 02 2019 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Eversince looks different but it's also 4 years old.
I don't really trust her yet, but it seemed like Rayn had a really confident read on her in the last game, so I'd be interested to hear his take.
Make this weak-ass post. I think he's smart enough to know that a 4 year gap is enough to make any meta reads useless. I also think the Rayn mention is weak.
There's also absolutely no care-free nature or light posting which all his last games have had. It's not particuarly alignment indicative since in his last mafia game he was trolling too. But it's weird.
Conf meanwhile is usually semi-inactive and doesn't post much. One "bleh" post isn't that significant.
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On July 02 2019 16:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game? I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013. Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed". To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense?
Oh I'm a bad reader. I thought you were talking about this game.
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On July 02 2019 16:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Pandain nothing actually happened between you townreading trfel 'exrtemely strongly' and then downgrading twice to null. That's kinda lame dude.
my perspective changed
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On July 03 2019 06:02 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 05:59 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 05:58 Eversince wrote:
My god I need to sleep already. worse* lol what time is it in the Philippines? 5 am? I'm back in the States right now. But I work overnights for a Chem company and I'm always on call for problems with another plant I work at in Philippines. I'm just dead because I want to be around for people to talk to. Just did a 21 hour day yesterday. Then didn't sleep last night. My mind is fuzzy,
If this is true you should probably go to sleep now. If you're exhausted and making mistakes you're just going to bring more suspicion on yourself.
I've only briefly followed this thread throughout the day (15 hour shift) but I just noticed you just said you don't understand my reasoning when the last thing you had said to me when I was active was "oh I understand you now"
So either you're lying or you can't remember anything. Either one is possible based on what you're saying about your exhaustion
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I have some thoughts but it's probably not useful considering I haven't had time to really seriously ponder anything. Rayn seems townie though.
I'm going to go to sleep and catch up in the morning.
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On July 02 2019 17:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you? Pandain if you're reading this is a question I'd like an answer to please...
I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game.
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I gotta finish reading first
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On July 03 2019 15:23 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 15:03 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 17:00 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 02 2019 16:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If he's not trying to start a wagon, and he didn't stay here and question you or even vaguely try and poke for answers, what was the purpose behind voting for you? Pandain if you're reading this is a question I'd like an answer to please... I thought he was playing scummy and the vote by itself generates conversation. I thought that was particuarly useful in a low player game. I'm not happy with your playstyle really this game pandain. It seems mafia to me. But there's someone that seemsmore mafia so ima change my vote for now. ##unvote##vote eywa
I'm glad I have your strong endorsement.
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On July 03 2019 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 02:11 Eywa- wrote:On July 03 2019 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2019 02:08 Eywa- wrote:
I think if Eversince flips mafia, then this game is just super easy going forward.
So, thats where I'm going today okay what's gonna happen if eversince is mafia? I don't do associatives pre-flip but if Eversince flips mafia, then this game is just super easy going forwardcan you explain that comment then?
Eywa you never answered this.
You said game is super easy going forward if ES is mafia.
But you said you're not thinking about pre-flip associations.
What's the deal? Why will game be easy if ES flips?
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On July 03 2019 07:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. (...) Show nested quote +On July 02 2019 16:24 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 16:18 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 15:36 Pandain wrote:On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:On July 02 2019 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's something i can possibly understand. My problem is pretty much the wording because as someone already said the mafia game is old and i don't think there is any reason why ES as mafia couldn't start like last game today. Like i mean the wording since for you also -- as you said, last game you wanted to see if she could play like that as mafia. Why is it not the case now?
Idk if my explanation is clear enoguh. I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try... Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread. In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game. Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town. Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game? I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013. Sorry, but what does the bolded section have in relevance to this? It was poorly worded, but what it meant was "after Day 1 when Eversince was obviously town/endgame when alignments were revealed". To answer your question, her mafia game is different from her town play in a way that is difficult to replicate. Some people, a lot of people really, have trouble posting as mafia and have trouble fitting in. As a result, their posts feel more dry and formal, and socially they are more withdrawn; they focus on reads and pushes without truly getting involved or engaging much. It's not as simple as posting more, it's learning to socially engage and interact in a meaningful and relaxed way as mafia, which is really hard to learn and is unlikely to randomly change, even over time (especially without practice). Am I making sense? Oh I'm a bad reader. I thought you were talking about this game. [b]@Pandain[b], I really don't get this progression. Help me understand? You were townreading me, then you went to a slight townread, then you downgraded to null. Sure, whatever. What I don't get is that to explain the slight townread changing to a null, you quoted this post and bolded a phrase, shown above. And then when that turned out to be not what you thought it was, you just left it. So help me explain, how did the quote in question affect your read on me, and when it turned out to be irrelevant why did your read not adjust? But I do like Pandain's post about Grackaroni. So I'm hesitant on him currently.
You said something like "after it became clear ES was town" and I thought you were referencing this game. That would have been a crazy definitive opinion on this game so early in the game. But it turns out you were talking about ES last game so its null
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Okay, as long as Eywa's explanation for the above doesn't suck (but if it does, this completely changes)
Strong town reads: Rayn, Eywa
Pretty likely town: Jock
Have no idea why people are town reading Conversion. The guy has done nothing really substantial.
For ES, I'm not sure. Honestly I started skipping alot of her posts. A lot of her reasoning is ..not good, but I don't think either of Rayn's or HF's points are good.
Grack is actually a great town player but he's still done nothing meaningful so there's that.
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel.
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I'll try to filter them all later today and make a meaningful decision later
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Jock why are you voting Eywa?
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On July 03 2019 16:40 Jockmcplop wrote:I explained above. Eywa would never normally deviate from her (I think its her - sorry if i got this wrong) playstyle no matter what. Now suddenly she is explaining herself fully when ES puts pressure on. That looks mafia to me. I'm also clutching at straws somewhat because although both you and eywa seem mafia to me, I have no other scum reads and at this point neither of you are particularly strong reads right now. I'm hoping something happens today that gives me something better to go on tbh. Everyone else seems willing to just say 'fuck it' and vote for ES because she's the only person anyone has made a proper case on (even though all of the cases against ES are weak imo and all based on stuff that doesn't necessarily make her mafia).
Look at Grack. Guy has literally nothing in his filter that is townie. Meanwhile he played a really strong town game the past two games, even if he trolled a bit in the beginning he normally always gives good thoughts.
The most insightful thing he posted is his defense of ES, but he hardly is even pushing that. He seems extremely content to let her be lynched even though he thinks she is town.
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Grack's posting like he doesn't give a fuck. But then he has actually posted a decent amount so it's clear he's following and reading the thread.
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On July 03 2019 16:45 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 15:59 Pandain wrote:
For me honestly, I want to vote between Conversion, Grack, and Trfel. I haven't properly looked into any of these three yet. I had a slight town read on conversion when made the post on ES (even though I disagreed) because of his meta and the aggressive way he defended himself. I'll take a closer look at all three today and let you know what I think though. It might take me a while to get this done because I'm at work.
Yeah decent point. I'll say Conv. is null to slightly town. To me he's mostly null.
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On July 03 2019 17:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 16:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 03 2019 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well i think grack officially goes to town pool now. I have no idea why but I'll take it. On July 03 2019 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:On July 03 2019 12:16 Eversince wrote:
Also Grack if you can comment on what you think about him that be nice. Because I serious didn't want to waste this whole game focused on him. But maby he just role scum. Then I have to go figure out who his partner is. Because no one seems to fit but he's mia most of the time. Pandain? I finished reading through him. I don't agree with his town read on Trfel because I don't think scum is hesitant to give town reads in this setup like he seems to think. I don't dislike him pushing me though. I've been admittedly very bland and I haven't contributed anything yet, This is what I see in grack's filter. He likes it when people push him, he likes it when people townread him for no reason. I can only see mafia motivation when you combine those two. If he was even trying to find mafia, then he would have something to look into with at least one of these posts. If someone is townreading him for no reason - isn't that possible TMI if he is town? If not and he's mafia, of course he would say 'I don't dislike him pushing me', that's the easiest thing to say when you've already said you are going to play a low effort game. I don't think we should mistake laziness for honesty in this case. THis is different to how he opened the last game. He was similarly lazy, but not in an engaged way, just in the way that he could get busy later on. This game it seems like people are almost feeding him crumbs to get him going and all he's doing is going ' yeah ok', but still watching the thread and taking notice. Why not question rayn's townread? It seems odd like it came out of nowhere. While we're on that, rayn why did you townread him so definitely early on?
To me, it's just the fact it's obvious he doesn't care about trying to find mafia (or the game at all really) combined with the fact he's posting a decent amount. That contradiction only makes sense if he's mafia.
It's a good question for Rayn. But honestly he strikes me as so townie I can't see my townread on him changing bar something crazy happening.
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Also, HF's point on ES is that "she said she knew my mafia meta! But it's not correct, this means she's scum and trying to fake a read!" That's not a good argument, people are wrong all the time. It could easily be town, do you think only mafia are wrong about meta's?
Rayn's biggest point is the "m!grack doesn't make any sense" contradiction. But if you read the original ES quote, it's clear that ES is saying that in one particular context mafia grack doesn't seem likely. And later on she says overall, Grack could be playing mafia or town. I get his point but it's not that strong and I could easily see town making it.
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Also Blazinghand has posted a lot but mainly only list posts. Anyone else think this is suspicious?
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