I have no thoughts on Eversince but I am giving Trfel an extremely strong townread. I think it's unlikely for mafia to give a strong townread so early in the game (literally the first page)

Pandain

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July 01 2019 18:42 GMT

#68

On July 02 2019 03:38 Trfel wrote:

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Can I ask why you don't agree with my read on Eversince?

I just think it's extremely early to give a townread based on meta/carefree posting.

Anyone can fake meta for a page.

(before anyone notes a contradiction, please note I'm not reading Trfel for meta but rather for something specific he did)

Pandain

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July 01 2019 18:42 GMT

#70

I'm not disagreeing with you that ES is relaxed, and if she keeps this up for a whole day that's a different story. I would just never make a townread this early based on that.

Pandain

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July 01 2019 19:46 GMT

#77

I'm working on visa papers you gotta give me some time

Pandain

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July 01 2019 21:09 GMT

#79

On July 02 2019 03:41 Eversince wrote:
Why strong town on Truffles but null on me?

You have not done anything meaningful.
Read why I like trfel above I don't feel like repeating it

Pandain

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July 01 2019 21:13 GMT

#80

On July 02 2019 03:58 Trfel wrote:
@Grackaroni, here is Eversince's filter from the game in question.

@Pandain, thanks for the explanation, I understand. What if I were to say that my townread on Eversince isn't completely rock-solid, but more of an average townread and posted to see how people react? What would you think then?

In truth it is a real townread but I know that while the met difference is significant, it's been a while since the mafia game in question so there is still some possibility Eversince could be mafia. Just unlikely IMO.

This post just seems even more honest and genuine from a town perspective so it just confirms what I think. Id be pretty impressed if you were scum.

If you had just said "es seems townie" I probably wouldn't have thought much of it. The fact you seemed to have an at least somewhat strong opinion this early strikes me as townie. I don't feel like mafia would want to tie themselves so quickly to having to defend a potential mislynch this early in the game, but your read would sort of force that I'd you were mafia. Hopefully my point is clear here I'm on my phone

Pandain

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July 01 2019 21:15 GMT

#81

I just re-read the posts and you didn't make that strong a townread but I think my point still stands since you gave a lot of reasons to support it. I.e. it wasn't a throwaway read

Pandain

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July 01 2019 22:01 GMT

#83

I'm going to say re: Eversince

If she rolled mafia this game, she would be forced to post extremely active. If she tried to post infrequently and/or lurk, it would be such an obvious contrast to her town game that she would be lynched pretty quickly.

So she would have a very strong incentive to, at least in the beginning, maintain high levels of activity. So you can't really make a judgment just based on that yet.

If she's actually mafia, I doubt we will catch her based on activity levels.

Pandain

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July 01 2019 23:03 GMT

#91

On July 02 2019 07:38 Conversion wrote:

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how does it feel to be a part of the scum that is ruining our little town?

I take consolation in the fact that someone has to do it

Pandain

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July 02 2019 05:51 GMT

#130

On July 02 2019 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am letting this go atm. You have given your pov and it's up to me to decide if i think you're telling the truth or not. I am interested in why Pandain apparently thinks the same as i do about ES' play so far yet he somehow reads you town for just making a read (not even agreeing with it) he wouldn't even ever make in the first place (i assume that meant as town unless he wants to call himself mafia straight up).

I don't think it's a smart read. But I don't think it is particuarly helpful for mafia to make a detailed townread on someone so early in the game. It binds their hands and limits their play. If ES for instance was a possible lynch it would be hard for trfel to support it.

But after waking up I decided im not gonna give Trfel a very strong townread for it. Just a slight one.

Pandain

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July 02 2019 05:55 GMT

#131

On July 02 2019 13:33 Trfel wrote:
Yeah honestly I don't have many thoughts, kinda why I asked. That's a good point on Conversion, he barely stayed to talk at all.

@Pandain, I'm wondering, since Eversince has now (seemingly) given a fairly strong townread on me, how does that affect your read on Eversince?

I don't really like how Conversion and raynpelikoneet both threw suspicion at my posts about the townread but didn't draw any conclusions from it. Feels like an easy way to transition later into a scumread or back off from it, depending on how the game goes. That said it's also valid from a town perspective. I was kinda surprised raynpelikoneet backed off, I'm not used to him doing that, but he was a lot calmer last game and I think he knows that I do weird things when I'm town sometimes so it's fair. If I had to guess I'd guess Conversion for the best chance at mafia but I feel like I'm grasping at straws :/

It doesn't. Mainly because your post was way earlier and she made that read after I made my comment about how I like people who do strong town reads after.

Pandain

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July 02 2019 05:57 GMT

#132

I'm voting ES. Her posts seem kind of fake and I don't know how she can seriously believe she "deserves" a town read this early in the take when absolutely nothing has happened.

Pandain

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July 02 2019 06:29 GMT

#134

Since you're misunderstanding, I did not give Trfels a town read for activity or "The same thing ES is doing."

I gave Trfels a town read because I didn't think it's very mafia-like to make a strong(ish) town read on someone so early in the game.

Contrarily, I am not giving you a town read just because you're active. The game has 7 pages, it's not very hard to be active.

Pandain

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July 02 2019 06:36 GMT

#137

On July 02 2019 10:37 Trfel wrote:

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I'm not sure if I fully understand what you are getting at but I'll try...

Last game I noticed a difference in Eversince's play to her last mafia game, but I wasn't sure if the difference was caused by a change in alignment or the passage of time, so I didn't think much of it. Then it became clear she was town, leading me to believe that the change in alignment is the primary reason for the posting style difference mentioned previously. Yes, this is an assumption, but I think it's an okay assumption because other reasons also support the townread.

In this game, Eversince's play is like her town game last game and different from her mafia game. And moreso, the difference is in a way that is harder to replicate as mafia. I know for me and many others, posting as mafia is difficult, and as a result the posts feel rigid, forced, and dry. Posts tend to be a little longer, more focused and less carefree and spontaneous. This contrast is how I was able to townread Tumblewood early on in a previous game and that townread nearly managed to win the game.

Going to remove my townread on Trfels. The bolded phrase seems very definitive and certain that ES is town.

Trfels, what do you think about the fact that ES's last mafia game was 4 years ago and she could be playing extremely differently than her previous game?

I know my first mafia game this year was completely different than how I used to play mafia back in 2013.

Pandain

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July 02 2019 06:38 GMT

#138

On July 02 2019 15:34 Eversince wrote:
Ok, but giving townread to Truffles for engaging and dropping me is like bleh.

This is not why I'm giving a townread to Trfels. I'm giving a townread because I didn't think it was likely for a mafia to make a strong town read so early in the game. Not for anything to do with engagement or activity.