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Pandain
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i am, and was, asking you to explain why, in case i flip town? Many many people have interacted with you. That is not the case with Slam. At least with your death we could have gotten some reads on Eywa or Jock or other people. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think about the fact i made almost the exact claim last game for the exact same reasons Grack did? I was town. If Grack is mafia why doesn't Grack claim just "blue" which would be understandable from town pov aswell and keeps him alive better that doctor claim? If Grack is mafia why does Grack fakeclaim DOCTOR in a situation -- as you put it, "when under no pressure"? What mafia motivation there EVER is to make that sort of claim? Having played mafia with Grack it's very very easily something he could have done. Like HF said, it's very unlikely there's a doctor in the first place, and if there was, mafia is pretty much screwed unless they can out the doctor. Mafia is screwed if there is a doctor because he can always protect HF who is a confirmed townie. Mafia always loses. In this (unlikely) case, trading a mafia for knowing who the doctor is - is not a bad play. If there is no doctor(most likely), then Grack can do a free fakeclaim. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you give an example? Rayn I'm going to be honest with you. You may not like it but I don't like hiding or pretending stuff. I never looked into it in detail. As I have said repeatedly, you were (literally) a last minute lynch You were not a person that I heavily analyzed and thought I am confident I could go and find examples now and I'm sure I could find them, but sharing that would not be an accurate representation of my thinking at the time of the lynch. All I knew is that many people have interacted with you so that I thought at least there might be some information that can be gleamed. For instance, maybe Eywa is more or less suspicious for pushing you. Maybe Jock looks better because he is defending you against HF, a confirmed town, when he could easily as scum sort of agree with you and put suspicion on rayn who is up for lynch. I play by instinct sometimes, especially in these EoD scenarios. It's attested to by the fact that nearly every EoD I try and lead a counter-lynch or push someone else. You know this from my play as town. When I voted to lynch you with literally 30 seconds to go, it was not based on a detailed analysis of "oh we will know x and y and z and because of that x and z." It was rather "Rayn is probably town but maybe not, and he at least has been active with other people so maybe we can find some information" | ||
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Pandain
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He's confirmed town though so that information is not really useful. We already know HF's alignment | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:29 Eversince wrote: He's confirmed town so ignore what informations he made? Then start a shitfight with Rayn about how no one interacted with him.. Right after you ignore all that came from the case from HF is not relevent. No you're misunderstanding. I said: we might be able to get information on other people's alignments based on rayn's death. I pointed out eywa and jock. You then asked me, "aren't you ignoring HF's case" My response is: We don't need any information on HF's alignment. He is already confirmed town. If Rayn is town, great, HF was wrong. If Rayn is mafia - great, HF was right. It's not meaningful info because he's already town. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: This does make some sense, i mean in a way that you could actually think this as town. Some things: - While HF is confirmed town he can still be wrong and he is defi-fucking-nitely wrong there - It's not unlikely there is a doctor because the setup already playerwise is missing 2 townies to standard 10v3, aka it's heavily mafia favored, there is actually VERY likely to be a protective role aka vet/doc/jailer - Mafia is not screwed if there is a doctor, who cares if HF lives to D2? Mafia can just assume doc will protect HF (which the doc should unless HF is throwing) and shoot HF N2. - Trading a mafia for D1 claimed doc is terrible play, also if grack is mafia and there is actually a real doctor they should never counter-claim, just protect HF and then you TRADED MAFIA FOR NO DOCTOR on D2!!!!!! That's even more terrible play. 1. Yeah 100% true, in fact he might be even more deadly because he's town so people are likely to believe him when he's wrong. 2. And sure, there might be a protective role. It's likely imo there's a veteran or jailor or something. I just don't think it's medic for reasons stated. 3. I don't know, if I was mafia I would always be terrifed of shooting HF because he is always the most likely medic save every time. Not just day 1. 4. I didn't think about that. Would be good idea. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:37 Eversince wrote: Okok, to make sure I get it. Lynch anyone other than Slam (townread). Yes Ignore the fact Rayn might actually be t!Rayn Not ignore the fact, just realistically acknowledge that I am more confident Slam is town than Rayn. If he gets mislynch the information is still useful than actually trying to kill mafia? No, you're either misunderstanding me or understanding from your own perspective. This is your interpetation because you voted Slam and thought there was a chance he's mafia. From my perspective, they are both likely town. Assuming that's true, it would still be better to lynch Rayn because that information gleaned from his death would be at least marginally more useful than a slam lynch. Pand I was trying to be nice but I'm super sure your mafia. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:40 Eversince wrote: I'm tunneling on him so bad but I think he is scum right now. Well you've been doing that since early day 1 so it's not anything new  | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:43 Eversince wrote: Pand, I'm going to let this rest. We have bunches of time left before another lynch. I'm tunneling real bad. What's your current reads? Oh my god this is like talking to bugs last game. I have literally talked about this in the past page. I am not the type of person to repeat information. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:08 Pandain wrote: Strong town reads on Rayn and Jock. That leads the last four possible scum to be Grack, Eywa, Shape, and Kelsier. I'm going to move Grack to town because besides that god-awful claim he's been pretty towny. Slam made a post on Eywa after he died that I don't think he would have made if Eywa was mafia. Even though its guarded in conditioners, I don't think Slam picks a mafia post to just +1 to. So that leaves Shape and Kelsier. I'm going to say that all of Slam, Shape, and Kelsier were all mafia and that ironically we were always going to lynch mafia. I think either of Shape or Kelsier should be vig'd and then we lynch the other one. | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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But I agree that regardless of whoever get's vigi'd the other one should be lynched. | ||
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: If there is a vigilante btw they should absolutely always shoot Shapelog. He flips mafia, cool, he flips town lynch Kelsier because he has to be mafia, then Pandain and jock become pretty much hard cleared and the last mafia HAS to be in me and Eywa. You will have enough days to lynch both. The same is true but if we shoot Kelsier first. If Kelsier is town then shape should always be lynched. , then you become pretty hard cleared etc... Anyway I think it's the same regardless I don't care who they shoot. | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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On June 26 2019 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who is mafia if Shapelog is mafia and Kelsier is town and we shoot Kelsier and lynch Shapelog? Who do we lynch after that to 100% win the game? Eywa and Grack, whatever order. town never loses. | ||
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Pandain
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Okay yes if people are idiotic and lynch me or think that somehow jock is mafia people can lose. But in your argument, what happens if SL is mafia and Kelsier is town? Same exact scenario | ||
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Pandain
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Both SL and Kelsier will be dead by the end of tomorrow. At that point, our plans are identicical. And we both agree they should be vig/shot. | ||
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