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Calix
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HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them. I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat. Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking. (I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote) ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On May 19 2019 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: That post is like siper fucking scummy as hell. Is your tactic to insult/ mafia-read everyone who scum-reads you and town-read everyone who town-reads you first? How boring. | ||
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Interesting observation but the host made his in-thread comment AFTER Grok's first post. Does this change your thoughts at all? | ||
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On May 19 2019 23:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Like thread actions and votes man, that's all we get. And on D1 it's just thread actions. And I'm saying iGrok's thread actions make him mafia. Is it strong? I think it's stronger than trying to angleshoot rayn or metaread me. I think it's stronger than any perceived lack of contribution from rayn when rayn has half the town baying for his head on D1. I think you exaggerate how much danger rayn is in. We're in a 72-hour day cycle. Some votes on rayn ~12 hours in =/= half the town wanting him cut, drawn and quartered. If he is town, he has loads and loads of time to prove it. I don't see the point of trying to draw attention away from rayn when half the players haven't even posted yet. | ||
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On May 19 2019 23:26 VisceraEyes wrote: It's less about trying to draw attention away from him - if you'll note I said we can absolutely pull him back into the pool in 24 hours - and more about trying to keep the thread from shitting up. I'm not sure if you've played with rayn and bugs before, but they will absolutely shit up this thread trying to get the other lynched if they're both town. It will not be pretty. This is mostly an attempt to mitigate that possibility and put it off for as long as possible. I haven't played with a lot of the people here and since I haven't played for a while anyway, I've mostly forgotten everyone's meta. While I can see where you're coming from with wanting to avoid a flame war, I don't think disregarding players as lynch candidates [even if only temporary] is a good idea just because they MIGHT act like shitters  And if they will do that then better to get it out of the way IMO.Anyhow, I have the evening shift so I'll be off now. Break a leg  | ||
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On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix I don't know what you refer to with 'too certain of [her] opinions' or 'tries to find the best angle to defend them' given that all I've really done so far is sheep people. Which I am going to continue doing for various reasons. On May 20 2019 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Umm Between Ruxxar and Calix one or both are red, just saying What about that post made you not like Ruxxar? | ||
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On May 20 2019 06:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Heres a better question. What do you think on Ruxxar? Answer my question and I will more than gladly answer yours =) He has kinda similar reads to myself. Aside from thinking I'm mafia. But otherwise I don't see anything particularly indicative one way or another. So if you do see something you're gonna have to ELI5. | ||
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On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid. I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit. Actually you know what? I am calling bullshit on this. This seems way too convenient. VE just HAPPENED to warn us against pushing rayn too much, tried diverting to iGrok, claimed rayn would ruin the game if we kept pushing him, etc. Then rayn just latches onto a bad case against Jock and pushes it with a vastly disproportionate amount of confidence before making a random and completely unwarranted role claim and generally acting like he's lost his shit. Emphasis on the acting. I'm more tempted to think VE/ rayn set this up than anything else. There are lots of 'hints' beforehand that make me suspicious as to how authentic they're being. #shamelesstinfoil | ||
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On May 20 2019 16:31 Jockmcplop wrote: What does everyone think about lynching a lurker or someone that is AFK? I know people in general on here tend to be against policy lynches like that but in the game I played as mafia the way mafia won was by literally not posting (mostly) for the first few days. Is that the standard mafia meta here? Because if so, iGrok is a great vote. Otherwise I wouldn't really vote for him based off what he has posted, just what he hasn't posted. Well given that pretty much all the popular scum-reads are lurkers [myself included], this seems like it'll happen anyway. I think I was way off with my tinfoil read. I went into VE's filter to find quotes but ended up concluding he was townie instead, lol. Because I saw a lot of posts where it really looks like he's just posting whatever he thinks as he thinks it. I personally think disformation could be town. I know some people [thinking of Conversion] said they thought his "okay X but what about Y?" posts were scummy but I read them as a willingness to entertain other ideas. And I think #279 shows some evidence of a thought process. Don't think we should lynch him today. Read Conversion's filter and I agree that he's a good mafia candidate. #400 does have a LOT of hedges and the reasons for scum-reading disformation are things that disformation does anyway IIRC. Which is the only read he has so far. Looks like mafia struggling to come up with reads. ##vote Conversion I thought ruxxar responded poorly when WBG was interacting with him and he sidesteps certain points/ questions directed at him so I could vote for him. But none of that = purely mafia motive [aka I can see this coming from town too] so this scum-read is weaker than on Conversion. Don't really care if iGrok dies today or not tbh. I don't think his case is compelling. | ||
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On May 20 2019 18:56 Koshi wrote: Flips townread on VE to mafia for this shit. Holy fuck are you mafia. Incorrect. I never stated a town-read on VE before that post. | ||
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On May 20 2019 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry to say but I have to agree with HF here, VE. Actually until his post listing the people he considered in his town circle I would have said BC & Jock are the only ones in my circle but actually I'd be willing to include HF as well rayn I'd consider the raging hobo who I feel bad for and occasionally give money to but he smells bad and yells a lot so I'd rather put him outside Anyway you have a chance to be let in, don't worry. I see you knocking at that door. You'll have to help us out on koshi, conversion, and ruxxar first though. Which would you kill right now, at this very moment? BTW HF is the Koshi bandage something you reckon we rip off now or later? He basically just said he won't stop trolling/shitting the thread up until we vote him out, and honestly given the game so far I don't see any reason for a townie, even Koshi, to blow up this hard I don't agree with your characterisation of Koshi here. He's been posting quite a lot of his thoughts and when reading them, I didn't see them as 'trolling/ shitting up the thread'. | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote: are we even reading the same game right now Apparently yes. This isn't to say I think he's town, just that I don't think the huge number of short posts he's making are AI. Which is what you were referring to in this post ^^ My main problem with him is that he's gunning so hard for my head right now and not for good reason. So it's hard for me to trust him or what he says because [if town] his view of the game is so distorted. | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:10 Koshi wrote: Can you react on the things Ruxxar and I brought up? You are a spammer, you are someone with an opinion on evertything, you are smart and look for reasons behind reasons. Why are you not you? I graduated and now have a very demanding job with little energy/ free time. Which is why I have hardly any posts. I will go and find whatever it is you refer to. | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:17 Koshi wrote: Dont. Answer this. Did you read the thread and found it possible both VE and rayn were mafia when you made the tinfoil post? Before making that post. The only acceptable answer is yes. So follow up: What did VE do that was mafia before the tinfoil post? Actually the main reason I had that tinfoil thought was because of this post he made. On May 20 2019 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote: This is literally the exact shit I was trying to avoid. I'm catching up but man alive. I specifically warned against this shit. When I first read it, I thought "hm it sounds like he's already caught up because he knows rayn's lost his shit big time but it sounds like he's not caught up at the same time" and then I remembered some of the other posts VE had made about rayn beforehand. Beforehand [this is me explaining what led to the idea above] I thought it was a bit weird that VE wanted to move discussion forwards by talking about a guy who wouldn't be posting [whereas rayn would be] but I didn't think it was scummy until I saw the quoted post. Hope that kinda makes sense as to what I was thinking ^^ | ||
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On May 20 2019 20:13 wherebugsgo wrote: go read this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/545657-uninspired-mafia?user=Koshi and then this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=Koshi And tell me if Koshi is different alignments between the two. hint: I think you're right that the huge number of short posts are not alignment indicative. After a review of these filters, it's kinda obvious which one is which. Helps that I hosted the second game :') I'm not sure if this was you making a point about mafia!Koshi but I'm actually more inclined to think Koshi is town this game after doing this XD | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway, we're 100% not lynching Calix today. I think we should encourage Calix to get in here and post actual opinions though, because the more that Calix posts the quicker we can come to a conclusion. That's best for everyone. I don't believe nitpicking is an effective scumhunting tactic because it opens up an opportunity for the target to respond in a fairly emotional manner as either alignment. and this makes reading them harder. Much more effective would be to actually get Calix to commit to some reads and opinions so that we can see what makes sense and what doesn't; the players who are actively trying to figure out the game and don't have completely whacky opinions and progressions will end up being town. Why are you so against lynching me anyway? I cannot recall you giving any reasons to town-read me. | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:51 Conversion wrote: disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything? I shall pose similar questions to you since I don't know your thoughts on many of the players. What other reads do you have that you have SOME confidence in? | ||
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On May 20 2019 23:54 Conversion wrote: I don't need thoughts on other players, I have caught scum in disformation and am currently meta diving him. I invite you to join me and lynch scum with fire I'm currently voting for you, lol. So I'm not letting you off the hook with "woo, free tunnel on disfo" m8 | ||
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