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and bc kinda but he's not really forcing anything (or doing anything :D :D :D :D)
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For the record, I do not want to shitfight with Bugs. I want to defend myself coherently and work with town.
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On May 22 2019 10:23 Conversion wrote:just ctrl + f'd Koshi's filter-- if ruxxar flips mafia there's 0% chance he is. dude is sticking his NECK out for ruxxar for absolutely no reason. disfo I think the flip matters less... I'll revisit harder next day though, no time to tunnel now going into ruxxar: I really hate his overall play of just randomly swinging in and out, but can someone explain why these two posts are bad? Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote:
Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.
It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it.
I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point.
Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.
I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players.
The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)
Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.
Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me).
Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion.
I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out.
HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.
Tldr:
Bugs is dumbo town.
Rayn is town.
HF is mafia.
##vote holyflare
is it because it feels like it's mafia flailing last minute?
Why are you focussed on Koshi's alignment here? It also seems like you don't really scumread Rux, so why do you not seem to care about the lynch?
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On May 25 2019 22:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock.
1)amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident.
He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af.
2)The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!!
He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him.
3)My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game.
He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread.
The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. 1) Yes, by poking holes in their logic and trying to see other perspectives. It's called trying to understand peoples reads. Try it sometime, rather than just try and shove your own reads down peoples' throat. 2) Yes I never voted disfo! That doesn't make me mafia! I voted for a bunch of different people, and I ultimately never ended up thinking disfo was mafia either! :OOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAFIA! And in spite of disagreeing with you, I DID END UP WORKING WITH YOU IN THE END ON RUXXAR! :OOOOOOOO 3) Yes, you gave me a shit list of candidates and I didn't lynch into it! No one wanted to lynch Calix regardless of how I felt about it, I disagreed on ruxxar, and I disagreed on disfo! So yes, I GOT CONSOLIDATION ON IGROK, which you're now using AGAINST ME, AND THEN I ABANDONED IT IN THE NAME OF WORKING WITH YOU WHICH IS THE LITERAL LYNCHPIN OF THE CASE THAT I WON'T WORK WITH YOUAWOFINAOAPIWERVNIAOPVN 4) That's pretty decent, though i'm even capable of that as mafia and is not what I'm referring to. Just remove this point, it's dumb anyway. The first three completely decimate your entire case against me, the rest of it is "feels" based because you dislike the way I've played this game so far.
1. so you manage to poke holes in everyone else's logic but never offer up your own scumreads, basically ever, why? Well, with the exception of disfo being scum, which you didn't explain, and didn't push even though I gave him as an option to you.
2. Can you point out to me at which point you thought disfo was town and why?
3. A shit list of candidates in which I explicitly townread disfo, but you disagreed with him and didn't vote him. But now it's you disagreed on disfo at the same time I presented them? Which one is it VE?
Here's what you said at the moment I was arguing with you about consolidation:
On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia.
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On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D
read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him
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On May 22 2019 11:24 Conversion wrote:
d'oh.
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out
Good thing you're fine with the now unavoidable lynch 30 min before deadline.
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On May 25 2019 22:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock.
1)amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident.
He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af.
2)The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!!
He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him.
3)My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game.
He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread.
The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. 1) Yes, by poking holes in their logic and trying to see other perspectives. It's called trying to understand peoples reads. Try it sometime, rather than just try and shove your own reads down peoples' throat. 2) Yes I never voted disfo! That doesn't make me mafia! I voted for a bunch of different people, and I ultimately never ended up thinking disfo was mafia either! :OOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAFIA! And in spite of disagreeing with you, I DID END UP WORKING WITH YOU IN THE END ON RUXXAR! :OOOOOOOO 3) Yes, you gave me a shit list of candidates and I didn't lynch into it! No one wanted to lynch Calix regardless of how I felt about it, I disagreed on ruxxar, and I disagreed on disfo! So yes, I GOT CONSOLIDATION ON IGROK, which you're now using AGAINST ME, AND THEN I ABANDONED IT IN THE NAME OF WORKING WITH YOU WHICH IS THE LITERAL LYNCHPIN OF THE CASE THAT I WON'T WORK WITH YOUAWOFINAOAPIWERVNIAOPVN 4) That's pretty decent, though i'm even capable of that as mafia and is not what I'm referring to. Just remove this point, it's dumb anyway. The first three completely decimate your entire case against me, the rest of it is "feels" based because you dislike the way I've played this game so far. 1. so you manage to poke holes in everyone else's logic but never offer up your own scumreads, basically ever, why? Well, with the exception of disfo being scum, which you didn't explain, and didn't push even though I gave him as an option to you. 2. Can you point out to me at which point you thought disfo was town and why? 3. A shit list of candidates in which I explicitly townread disfo, but you disagreed with him and didn't vote him. But now it's you disagreed on disfo at the same time I presented them? Which one is it VE? Here's what you said at the moment I was arguing with you about consolidation: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia.
Yes, it LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GUILTY of those SAME THINGS you were calling Rux mafia for....and I CALLED RUXAR TOWN! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I wasn't saying that disfo was scum, I was saying that it weird that you didn't call out disfo for the same shit man! That you made up some shit to call him town rather than just call him suspicious WITH Ruxxar! That's what I meant by NARRATIVE BUILDING Bugs, and you're just MAD that I read it that way!
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On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him
I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it.
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You and I have very different ideas of what mafia do if you think they vote for their town reads to blend in.
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No I can't point to a post where I said disfo was scum, I thought that was implied by my reluctance to vote him Bugs. Like....you're tunneled. Everything is just confirming your bias. I refuse to accept responsibility for this.
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On May 25 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it.
why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy?
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On May 22 2019 13:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
iGrok Artanis BC?
Does that scumteam even make sense?
This was your initial response to the flip. Now you seem to be at VE/Koshi/Rayn. What the hell happened in between?
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But that's probably a slip right Bugs?
-.-
Do I have everyone else's permission to just ignore Bugs?
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On May 25 2019 22:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it. why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy?
I wasn't calling disfo scum. I was calling you weird for not calling him scum. That's a misrepresentation, not a dunk. Plz stop bugs.
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On May 25 2019 22:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I can't point to a post where I said disfo was scum, I thought that was implied by my reluctance to vote him Bugs. Like....you're tunneled. Everything is just confirming your bias. I refuse to accept responsibility for this.
On May 21 2019 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs you're doing a lot of narrative building to justify your reads. Like, I came to the exact opposite read of disfo's filter, it looks like he's FAR more guilty of the things you're accusing ruxxar of and you're making up some shit to justify calling him town and rux mafia.
I feel like I was pretty explicit hard town on disfo at this point. Exact opposite of hard town = hard scum.
I mean, these are your own words. I'm not twisting anything here, you just aren't making any sense.
Then you actually double down on this:
On May 21 2019 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just find it strange that we have the exact opposite reads of ruxxar and disformation...my reasons are based on shit that's here in the thread and your shit is based on "OH HE'S CAPABLE OF THIS IF YOU SQUINT SEE HERE!!!"
Fuck outta here.
If it was based on stuff in the thread why don't you cite what things made you read disfo to the "exact opposite" as I did?
Obligatory "I'm not dodging I swear":
On May 21 2019 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not dodging shit Bugs calm your shit down.
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On May 25 2019 22:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it. why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy?
Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy.
On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
Raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
iGrok (2): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes
BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
RuXxar (1): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
Calix is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This was the vote before everyone switched. Calix/iGrok/BC essentially up for lynch.
On May 22 2019 06:53 Calix wrote:
##vote iGrok
On May 22 2019 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: ruXxar
On May 22 2019 08:43 disformation wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: ruXxar
On May 22 2019 08:46 Calix wrote:
##unvote
##vote ruxxar
On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
RuXxar (4): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Disformation, Calix
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Calix
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo.
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