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VisceraEyes
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:06 disformation wrote: on calix: first post: not sexy but prolly beaten to death by now. note: there is some disagreement on her reading hf town at this point. since its meta i'm going to ignore it here. looking at the early tr on me. i kinda had an idea. like maybe the style she is going for is something like "i have a small reason to tr someone, so ill tr them and interact with them and other ppl who ask about this read". so she is basically just into taking hard stances. i can see why ruxxar e.g. was like "how is she so sure on her stuff?" but i think she can be town for this. this also explains why she is trying to have ppl take hard stances a lot in her interactions. so the information is out there and the ppl can be followed up onto and taken accountable (eg the opposite of whatever bc is doing). calix is also willing to reconsider stuff in a natural manner (see her conv read d1). in her answer to the conv interaction rayn pointed out, she at least acknowledged that conv didn really have fleshed out reads. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WBG, given your reads, what is mafia VE's motivation for not engaging you on town ruxxar over mafia iGrok? I don't remember him ever engaging me on iGrok except calling iGrok a leading wagon and then BC putting VE in his place like two posts later pointing out iGrok is not leading anymore (it was like 2 votes on each of 3 players) Also I have no idea why he'd scum both me and BC for wanting to give iGrok a pass given that all three of us have played with iGrok before and consider him a solid vet, and I don't remember ever playing with ruxxar. Also I don't actually know if iGrok is mafia here, he just looks like mafia who for some reason took really detailed notes on the game. Well, that or took really detailed notes as a townie and then just never had time to explain them. But anyway flipping iGrok is optimal here. It will open everyone's shut eyes on the three stooges. Not to mention, he was fucking scumming iGrok when his vote was on Calix for a good chunk so it's not like I even thought he believed iGrok was scum over Calix. Look at him respond to me at 1156 and the post after admitting his vote is on Calix even though he's attacking me for not agreeing on iGrok. Also at EoD he sheeped me TO KILL HIS TOWNREAD WHEN IGROK WAS LEADING Like I will literally never townread VE there even if I was probably being bullish with the wagon because VE can think for himself and not shift blame on others when they give him 20 billion opportunities to explain his scum reads in a 72 hour day game and he comes back and meekly moves his vote off a scumread to kill a townread on the sole basis of me townreading him for it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
For the record, I'm like, here, and willing to engage with Bugs. He's the one freaking out and flailing like a caught mafia. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hey I've been keeping cool too  though that's fair, she has been under pressure a lot. Not really this day as much though as it became a two-man race pretty quick. As for Rayn, he always gets stuck on singular things and doesn't let go. I don't think it's alignment indicative for him, if anything it's town indicative.I can see where you're coming from. However, I can also see it mafia being pissed that their first post got them under so much scrutiny that even when she's putting in the legwork, people like rayn are still not re-evaluating them. I don't think frustration is alignment indicative. Just because you're mafia doesn't mean you can't be annoyed at people scumreading you for reasons you think are bad. As for following up on questions, I'll grant you it's a slight point in her favour, but I don't think it's hard to do. I presume you mean her Koshi/Rayn reads? I don't see her scumreading VE any time beyond the initial tinfoil. The rest of this seems to be more about VE which'll need a followup that I really don't think I'll ever have time for when I think he's likely town/to be solved later at best. Her reactions have definitely been on point in a calm and collected way, but for me that isn't town indicative. I don't know her meta at all, and everyone responds differently to pressure as different alignments. Have you played with her before as either alignment? I played against her when I was scum and she was town, and I think my gut read of her style from that game is not terribly off from her style this game. However I really haven't compared the two. Anyway, you can disagree with me all you want but I implore you to put the effort into reading VE. Trust me, if there is anyone in this game who knows how to read VE, it's me. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On May 22 2019 09:03 ruXxar wrote: cba to put up any resistance tbh. im happy with my day 1 performance. Can we lynch him again please? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af. He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him. He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread. He's blinded by a tunnel or he's mafia. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote: You know bugs is basically hard claiming PR now right? TMI TMI TMI IF YOU BELIEVE THIS AS TOWN WHY DO YOU ANNOUNCE IT IN THREAD | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:20 wherebugsgo wrote: TMI TMI TMI IF YOU BELIEVE THIS AS TOWN WHY DO YOU ANNOUNCE IT IN THREAD Why did you announce it in thread? If you believe this is a maf claim then how is you pseudo-announcing PR not a maf claim? You're being ridiculous plz stop. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:20 wherebugsgo wrote: TMI TMI TMI IF YOU BELIEVE THIS AS TOWN WHY DO YOU ANNOUNCE IT IN THREAD If he believes it as mafia why wouldn't he just shoot you and not say anything? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If he believes it as mafia why wouldn't he just shoot you and not say anything? QFT | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:14 disformation wrote: calix is also willing to reconsider stuff in a natural manner (see her conv read d1). in her answer to the conv interaction rayn pointed out, she at least acknowledged that conv didn really have fleshed out reads. so nah i dont see it. call me bad if you want, but id say she is prolly town. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:19 VisceraEyes wrote: He's ignoring posts where I interact amicably and productively with all of disformation/Holyflare/Jock. amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident. He's ignoring the fact that I do engage with him - I just disagree with him and he's salty af. The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!! He's ignoring the fact that I tried on D1 to achieve consolidation, and broke it only in an effort to appease and work with him. My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game. He's ignoring the fact that I've towntold innumerable times in this thread. The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If he believes it as mafia why wouldn't he just shoot you and not say anything? because he needs to discredit me first, he knows I will flip town. It's just a series of posts in which he does nothing but discredit me with 0 reasons. He even just spams in bold with no rebuttals whatsoever multiple times just to bury a completely reasonable post I've made. There is no town motivation for him saying that BTW. Literal zero. There is no reason for any townie to out a blue in public. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote: Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can. Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it On May 22 2019 09:54 iGrok wrote: But like, ruxxar is still my #4 so its fine This sequence of post makes me think it might be iGrok/Calix after all and at the same time it doesn't. iGrok voted Calix for a grand total of 15 minutes before realizing HF/Calix is unlikely to be a pair. Yet he's fine with Rux being lynched over his top 2 scumreads. Why would he not want to resolve HF/Calix? If Calix is lynched and flips green, he'd know HF is red, and he's null on Rux. I don't comprehend his thought process at all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Like that's a lot of my issue with Bugs certainty here...he's assuming that me/rayn/Koshi are mafia...playting without a mafQT? Just openly doing everything in thread? wtf"? man you, rayn and Koshi are all good scum players and literally all three of you are known for spamming the hell out of any thread you are in regardless of alignment. None of you have reasons for any reads you put forth whatsoever, and you spend 99% of your time poopooing things in ways that end up being completely contradictory but no one notices because no one is willing to do the dirty work of filter diving you. Because collectively you have 32 + 18 + 34 = 84 pages of filter in a 200 page game. 84 pages out of 200 from 3 players, 2 of whom say absolutely nothing except Calix and Jock are scum and anyone who doesn't think so is pants-on head, and 1 of whom takes absolutely no hard stances whatsoever and moves his vote around based on the weakest sniff of thread sentiment | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This sequence of post makes me think it might be iGrok/Calix after all and at the same time it doesn't. iGrok voted Calix for a grand total of 15 minutes before realizing HF/Calix is unlikely to be a pair. Yet he's fine with Rux being lynched over his top 2 scumreads. Why would he not want to resolve HF/Calix? If Calix is lynched and flips green, he'd know HF is red, and he's null on Rux. I don't comprehend his thought process at all. which is why you SHOULD call him scum. and in the off-chance he flips town, you kill rayn and Koshi who defended him for 0 reasons whatsoever. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On May 22 2019 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count RuXxar (4): Calix (2): BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], iGrok (1): Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare (1): Koshi(1): Conversion Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (0): Jockmcplop (0): Disformation (0): Wherebugsgo (0): conversion(0): Not voting (1): iGrok RuXxar is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in --- On May 22 2019 10:03 Conversion wrote: okay I'm back with 2 hours left until deadline promised: rereading of disfo and koshi, which I'll do now koshi telling me iGrok is town and not to lynch him not sure if I got anything else, looks like ruxxar is flavor lynch right now. I haven't progressed ruxxar as much since my evaluation of him since Bugs told me to do so. so I was going to do that, but looks like he just gave up? anything else people want me to do? otherwise I'm going to do this as speedily as possible I understand HF's issue here. The only vote either of them have is Conversion's own. He instantly gets back on it though: On May 22 2019 10:03 Conversion wrote: well, we're probably not even lynching disfo or Koshi, so should I even bother revisiting? Don't like that it's formed in the state of a question. Lynch options are Rux or Calix given the time he came in. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 25 2019 22:24 wherebugsgo wrote: 1)amicably and productively = every single time you poop on their reads and try to make them less confident. 2)The literal lynchpin of the case is you saying you disagree with me on disfo/ruxxar (I townread disfo and scumread ruxxar). Yet, disfo is one of the few players you never voted d1!!!! 3)My consolidation options given to you were disfo, ruxxar, and Calix. You never voted disfo even though you scummed disfo like four times interacting with me. I even called you out on it and you just matrix dodged. Then you voted your townread ruxxar when iGrok was the leading lynch. GTFOH with your complete and utter lack of hard stances this game. The best towntell anyone has for you is that they're not reading your filter because it's 30+ pages. 1) Yes, by poking holes in their logic and trying to see other perspectives. It's called trying to understand peoples reads. Try it sometime, rather than just try and shove your own reads down peoples' throat. 2) Yes I never voted disfo! That doesn't make me mafia! I voted for a bunch of different people, and I ultimately never ended up thinking disfo was mafia either! :OOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME MAFIA! And in spite of disagreeing with you, I DID END UP WORKING WITH YOU IN THE END ON RUXXAR! :OOOOOOOO 3) Yes, you gave me a shit list of candidates and I didn't lynch into it! No one wanted to lynch Calix regardless of how I felt about it, I disagreed on ruxxar, and I disagreed on disfo! So yes, I GOT CONSOLIDATION ON IGROK, which you're now using AGAINST ME, AND THEN I ABANDONED IT IN THE NAME OF WORKING WITH YOU WHICH IS THE LITERAL LYNCHPIN OF THE CASE THAT I WON'T WORK WITH YOUAWOFINAOAPIWERVNIAOPVN 4) That's pretty decent, though i'm even capable of that as mafia and is not what I'm referring to. Just remove this point, it's dumb anyway. The first three completely decimate your entire case against me, the rest of it is "feels" based because you dislike the way I've played this game so far. | ||
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