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On May 21 2019 18:11 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 18:08 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2019 17:58 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 17:56 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2019 17:54 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He already pissed me off and normally it stops sooner when he is town. Bit idk. I am noy gonna vote for anyways. Tbh i am not gonna change my vote at all because even if jock is town he is still +1 mafia. Noone as town should ever say shit like that then later on just say oh thats not why i said it you should just trust i meant something i didnt say. "Even if he's not mafia, he's basically 4th mafia so let's kill him." Not a legit scum read. Rayn can go back in the scum pile too. LoL Nha. You either lost it or are mafia. Thought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc. It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments. No. This was me telling you that if you are town you should feel bad about yourself. Funny how you respond to all this yet conveniently ignore my post where I raise valid concerns about your own play.
I believe myself. And I am a real boy.
So your valid points of me not believing myself and being fake are not well received.
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Wbg is one of the worst players I had to play with.
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On May 21 2019 18:21 disformation wrote:joshi: it is super hard to find posts in your filter. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 15:32 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2019 10:58 Conversion wrote:
it also feels soo bad when a player only responds to a case without ever addressing any of the other reasons why I scum read him. that case alone isn't why i scum read disfo-- it's his inaction and general laziness and people are OK with him chilling out, but aren't with others. I've asked him like minimum two times now about what his thoughts were and who he wants to lynch, and he's just ducked it until he could nitpick my case and ignore everything else I posted thus far
im so confused I am with you. tbh am fairly irritated about this. e.g.: Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 23:51 Conversion wrote:
disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings
who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything? i am pretty damn sure i have talked about all of the points you raise here (and did so before your meta thing) and i am confused why you still say i flat out ignore you. you are ignoring my posts. also no idea how teh fuck i am chilling out, i am trying to play as much as i can ~~
Disfo I dont care too much about you and conversion atm.
I only say. If 1 is mafia out of you 2. It is you. That is my read.
Calix is 100% mafia.
Wbg is 100% worst player I had to play with.
Ruxxar is potentially town hero.
Those 3 thibgs I know.
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On May 21 2019 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not confident in my ruxxar read but it was a mafia post. Especially since the only thing he's said since is quoting my reply. So I'll give him a read in some downtime.
I've read him. His posts aren't scummy but I have the following questions:
Why did you point out that rayn and ruxxar had read calix as scummy and then criticised bc for doing the same and then never really mentioned bc ever again? Looks like you were calling bc scum but never did.
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point.
On May 21 2019 06:17 ruXxar wrote:
And in the process trying to throw as much shade as posdible on artanis
Also, what has rayn done in your eyes that was a gamble that made him obviously town?
Also, why is calix no longer your vote? What posts specifically changed your mind?
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well, see HF, the thing about ruxxar is that he does not respond to questions
that is really what makes him scum.
Also what is it about his posts that you find not scummy? If it's tone, I already can tell you that's probably not alignment indicative for ruxxar.
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Just seem honest and not really hiding much? Dunno how to explain feels really. He'll respond to me, no worries.
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On May 21 2019 19:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
well, see HF, the thing about ruxxar is that he does not respond to questions
that is really what makes him scum.
Also what is it about his posts that you find not scummy? If it's tone, I already can tell you that's probably not alignment indicative for ruxxar.
Plenty of people don't respond to questions.
It doesn't always make them scum.
What about ruxxar specifically makes not responding to questions scummy, but tone NAI??
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On May 21 2019 19:03 Holyflare wrote:
Just seem honest and not really hiding much? Dunno how to explain feels really. He'll respond to me, no worries.
but he isn't honest, and he is hiding things? Or at the very least not explaining them whatsoever. His read progressions are not natural, like he doesn't seem to be thinking about how to solve the game and just jumps between things. The only place where it seemed like he was catching onto something was with BC and he didn't complete the follow up. He asked a couple questions and every time he never followed up to get the answer.
for instance, why did he say 1 of Calix/Conversion is prob scum and then completely drop it to refocus on you?
Why did he say he would be around for questions and then didn't actually answer any questions posed to him immediately after, particularly by me?
See between when he re-enters and 824, with full thread context (so you can see what he is being asked) For instance, he doesn't clarify his read on Jock when asked by Calix.
The biggest single question dodge is this one though:
On May 20 2019 16:42 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 16:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 20 2019 15:50 ruXxar wrote:On May 20 2019 15:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Jock, here: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote:man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. The tl;dr is that my read is on the basis of ruxxar’s entrance post plus his reaction to the resistance that Calix put up. You dont like my entry post but seem just entirely fine with calix list post. Of course you do when he calls you town lmao Your reaction to resistance on your vote vs Calix's reaction are pretty worlds apart. Hell, even the posts themselves are pretty different. When someone cites another post as part of their rationale in a way that makes sense, and manage to do this very consistently, I find it less likely they are scum. You didn't do that, did you? Now, what's odd is that you are calling me out for calling one list post bad, but not the other. You want me to look away from your scumminess at someone else...who according to you, did a very similar thing to you? Anyway, enough about you. The choices I'm presenting people with that aren't you are disformation and Calix. Given that I think your reason for voting Calix isn't valid, and you just basically said both your post AND Calix's post were scummy, I'd like to hear what you think about disformation. Failing that, talk to me about conversion's push on disformation. If you can't do either of those things then I'll narrow the list and recommend everyone just lynch you and you only. So is calix scummy or not? Make up your mind. You say im scummy for reading calix as scum, but now youre calling calix scum also. #galaxybrain
I asked him to talk about disformation, and if he doesn't have an opinion there, about conversion pushing disformation. He ignores that question and misconstrues what I'm saying about Calix.
I respond to this in the off-chance he is town and just misunderstood what I meant, and he never responds back, no follow up, it's like this exchange never happened.
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Oh boy Bugs actually thinks I'm mafia now.
GUESS HE'S NOT THE ONE I'M SHEEPING!
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VE isn't sheeping Bugs so VE is mafia
That is the most hilarious shit I've ever read in my life. EVER.
Bugs, I love you man, but NO dude! That will NEVER be an accurate read of me EVER.
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"The real read flag is how VE refused to consolidate votes on me"
Is this shit for real? Like, this is a SEVENTY-TWO hour day, and HALF the players started playing the moment I went to bed JUST AS I SUSPECTED THEY WOULD.
The only people mafia reading me are people who are mad at me for stupid things. That is ironic as hell.
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I'm TOWN motherfuckers, and while I know I'm not going to be lynched today, YOU'RE ALL GONNA FUCKING KNOW IT going into D2 because that's how towns win games.
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On May 21 2019 19:03 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
well, see HF, the thing about ruxxar is that he does not respond to questions
that is really what makes him scum.
Also what is it about his posts that you find not scummy? If it's tone, I already can tell you that's probably not alignment indicative for ruxxar. Plenty of people don't respond to questions. It doesn't always make them scum. What about ruxxar specifically makes not responding to questions scummy, but tone NAI??
tone is NAI because he bristles as both alignments. See my post @ #949 for an example where he is fairly aggressive as scum, or just read through Mafia Mafia Mafia yourself:
On May 21 2019 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:Just FYI, ruxxar can put up a fair amount of bristle as town so if you also share the bad take on “tone” that he’s town, you need a better reason to think so. Here’s an example post of ruxxar showing some fair amount of sass in a game where he rolled and won as mafia, oddly enough with Koshi: Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 20 2017 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at. The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity. On November 19 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately  Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. I dont like this post. Its cramming too many thoughts into one post where it ends up being unlegible garbage. I'm not even sure I know what stance you are taking with this. On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar.
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either.
TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. This followup isnt helping when I can't understand the argument you made in the first place. This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings. Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux. On November 20 2017 00:18 darthfoley wrote:On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total. Care to explain what you mean? Good guy Ruxx On November 20 2017 00:39 darthfoley wrote:
I still don't think Kelsier's explanation of TWs posts have been explained or believable. Like 3 one liners is not enough material to be considered jarring IMO. Makes it sound like a much more solid read than it actually is.
Maybe I'm just roasting the dude over word choice, but word choice matters On November 20 2017 00:37 darthfoley wrote:On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? I think Damdred's point on ruxx is decent plus his questioning of Kelsier is what i know to be town!Ruxx. TW i always think is scummy and it's the same this game. I only remember one comment by HF about mafia number game setup mechanics which is scummy. darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy. I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful. Your read was bad and your defense of it was bullshit. Your first reaction to getting pressured was trying to pull up excuses and try to keep your image from being tarnished. Playing dumb is not going to win any townie points in my book. That post is from Mafia Mafia Mafia Also, he calls people townies all the time when he is mafia, so as I suspected this is not alignment indicative and certainly not any reason to think he has real reads. In context it makes his reread look much worse because a single town read on Koshi is literally the only thing he came back with.
not responding to questions and not following up on your own questions, as well as reaching absurd reads with no progression is an indication that someone is scum because they aren't naturally trying to figure out the game. This is in contrast to, for example, various posts that Conversion, Calix, BC, HF, you, and disformation have all made this game where each of you have had something that didn't make sense and tried to track it down, or complained when felt ignored. These types of progressions are really really hard to fake because mafia already have full knowledge of the game, and faking them is sometimes quite dangerous because it takes a really good understanding of what town would think without that full information. It's much more common just to see mafia 1.) not ask these questions, or if they do, not follow up on them, and 2.) for mafia to reach conclusions in weird manners that don't make sense from a town perspective given the info that is present.
This is actually the reason I never fully townread grack last game even though on tone he seemed fine. I know HF and rayn both really thought grack was town in the obs thread so I know that our philosophies aren't quite identical; I agree on the surface though that the tone/behaviour reads are very tempting. I honestly saw that myself in ruxxar before I checked a past game to see if it was possible in his scum range, and turns out it is.
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I dunno what to tell you bugs but I just don't find those things scummy? Maybe he had to disappear, maybe he found something better and flitted to the next thing on his mind?
I think mafia would be more careful about having explanations at least rather than dropping things for no reason and moving on? What reason does he have to drop calix read etc?
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On May 21 2019 19:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
"The real read flag is how VE refused to consolidate votes on me"
Is this shit for real? Like, this is a SEVENTY-TWO hour day, and HALF the players started playing the moment I went to bed JUST AS I SUSPECTED THEY WOULD.
The only people mafia reading me are people who are mad at me for stupid things. That is ironic as hell.
I think I might be the only person publicly mafia reading you and that's certainly not why
but it's okay, I do agree with you that you're not getting lynched today and you have plenty of time to help me kill ruxxar. I know you're going to have to move your vote away from iGrok no matter what your alignment is, you're too smart to keep it there
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On May 21 2019 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
"The real read flag is how VE refused to consolidate votes on me"
Is this shit for real? Like, this is a SEVENTY-TWO hour day, and HALF the players started playing the moment I went to bed JUST AS I SUSPECTED THEY WOULD.
The only people mafia reading me are people who are mad at me for stupid things. That is ironic as hell. I think I might be the only person publicly mafia reading you and that's certainly not why but it's okay, I do agree with you that you're not getting lynched today and you have plenty of time to help me kill ruxxar. I know you're going to have to move your vote away from iGrok no matter what your alignment is, you're too smart to keep it there
You and Bugs.
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On May 21 2019 19:16 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno what to tell you bugs but I just don't find those things scummy? Maybe he had to disappear, maybe he found something better and flitted to the next thing on his mind?
I think mafia would be more careful about having explanations at least rather than dropping things for no reason and moving on? What reason does he have to drop calix read etc?
but he had no follow-up, and it's not like it happened once. And when called out he just ignored it, but we happen to know he's here reading the thread because he occasionally comes in and throws shade on a post before slinking off again.
He's like the definition of active lurker.
I think whether mafia find reasons for dropping reads is dependent on style. I think the more consistent behaviour with regards to explanations is whether they have reasons for voting someone. I think we can both agree that his reasons for his votes are pretty scummy. If not, then I encourage you to tell me who you think I should vote instead.
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On May 21 2019 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
that's certainly not why
Ya, it actually is. You're butthurt that I don't agree with your mafia reads in spite of your cases and you're reading me mafia for it. It's totally fine, you'll realize it's a mistake soon.
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On May 21 2019 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 19:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
"The real read flag is how VE refused to consolidate votes on me"
Is this shit for real? Like, this is a SEVENTY-TWO hour day, and HALF the players started playing the moment I went to bed JUST AS I SUSPECTED THEY WOULD.
The only people mafia reading me are people who are mad at me for stupid things. That is ironic as hell. I think I might be the only person publicly mafia reading you and that's certainly not why but it's okay, I do agree with you that you're not getting lynched today and you have plenty of time to help me kill ruxxar. I know you're going to have to move your vote away from iGrok no matter what your alignment is, you're too smart to keep it there You and Bugs.
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