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On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do...  I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy.
Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts.
But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is.
Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy.
It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open.
The admission that someone made a point against iGrok.
The excuses made to sidestep the point.
The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good.
I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting.
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On May 21 2019 08:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:02 Calix wrote:On May 21 2019 07:59 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 07:48 Calix wrote:I am tired myself but I'm happy to talk about whatever thoughts you have  You are pretty chill to discuss stuff with, lol. getting kinda late here, but i can be around a bit longer. so head kinda at: there is something wrong in calix <> wbg <> koshi that i need to look at after ive gotten some sleep. i think bc hasnt explained the jock reads stuff so I actually have no idea how some reads in his filter came to be, which i dont like the longer the game progresses. the last page of his filter also doesnt carry a lot of good information. liked him better earlier in the game. Actually I have a question about BC. When I saw his post against Artanis, I thought it was weird, almost OOC, coming from him. Seemed a lot 'angrier' (for lack of a better word) than what I'd expect. (also I didn't understand the part where he says he was protecting Artanis given Artanis hasn't been under any pressure) But I also don't know the guy at all. Is that kind of thing normal for him? [I also haven't paid any attention to him, might go read his filter actually] dont think ive played with him before? maybe he has history with art? but ruxxar noticed the same: Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point. Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
I'll read ruxxar. His posts strike me as the most gap filler at the moment. You need to follow up on this now or I’m booting you from my town circle You say you find it weird that I “defended” iGrok when it’s more like I provided the only valid perspective that isn’t completely coloured by “he used a bad reason for the only thug he’s done so he’s scum”. I find it weird that even now he’s the only person you’re willing to kill. ruxxar is clearly actively lurking, he basically admitted it twice. That’s more than we can say for iGrok who just straight up disappeared. hm? maybe im stupid and/or blind, but could you quote that?
See his original post plus
On May 21 2019 01:57 ruXxar wrote:
its like a circle jerk of the big dawgs preying on the weak.
now that they finally calmed down the mice stick their heads out.
He also keeps commenting on activity and how activity makes it hard to find scum. This seems like a mafia mindset, like it’s too hard for him to 1 fake a read and 2 blend in as a lurker cause all the townies are tryharding:
On May 21 2019 02:33 ruXxar wrote:
havent played a mafia game where its been this hard to come up with solid reads ngl.
everyone being active smart or active gorilla, hard to tell apart day 1.
Clearly the active label doesn’t apply to him though
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On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts. But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is. Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy. It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open. The admission that someone made a point against iGrok. The excuses made to sidestep the point. The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good. I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting.
If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for.
Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC.
In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.
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On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something" What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch. I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly. As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well.
eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum).
the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity.
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On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts. But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is. Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy. It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open. The admission that someone made a point against iGrok. The excuses made to sidestep the point. The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good. I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting. If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for. Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC. In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.
I'm not saying we should lynch BC today. If I did, I would have changed my vote. I just found that post scummy and flagged it up.
But I am now more amenable to VE's idea so I may change my vote to iGrok on non-policy grounds.
However I need to mull things over first. Right now I have too many scum reads.
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On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts. But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is. Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy. It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open. The admission that someone made a point against iGrok. The excuses made to sidestep the point. The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good. I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting. If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for. Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC. In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward.
note: not a fan of preflip associations in general.
not 100% what you mean with low/high value lynchs?
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On May 21 2019 08:22 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something" What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch. I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly. As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well. eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum). the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity.
Think the term you want is 'image conscious'
I didn't get the impression he scum-read Jock. The way he worded it made it sound like he found Jock more annoying than scummy, lol.
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On May 21 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:22 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something" What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch. I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly. As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well. eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum). the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity. Think the term you want is 'image conscious' I didn't get the impression he scum-read Jock. The way he worded it made it sound like he found Jock more annoying than scummy, lol.
mh yeah guess that kind of awareness is more likely scum.
yeah would interpret the comment on jock that way as well. though i am not a fan of having to interpret peoples reads.
also its like 01:30 here and i got work tomorrow. will sleep on ruxx. i should have more time to play tomorrow so ill try to make up my mind on this shit. xD
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Just FYI, ruxxar can put up a fair amount of bristle as town so if you also share the bad take on “tone” that he’s town, you need a better reason to think so. Here’s an example post of ruxxar showing some fair amount of sass in a game where he rolled and won as mafia, oddly enough with Koshi:
On November 20 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2017 03:51 KelsierSC wrote:Darth and Ruxxar are probably worth taking a look at. The feeling I get from rux is that he is asking people to justify or explain things that aren't that difficult to comprehend. It felt like he trying to give the illusion of activity. On November 19 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 07:57 Stanislav Petrov wrote:Lets just lynch Damdred for prodding Oats and backing off immediately Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. I dont like this post. Its cramming too many thoughts into one post where it ends up being unlegible garbage. I'm not even sure I know what stance you are taking with this. On November 19 2017 08:10 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Actually going to revise what I said, Kelsier was behaving suspiciously in his post at Ruxxar, not with Ruxxar.
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either.
TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. This followup isnt helping when I can't understand the argument you made in the first place. This followed up by asking me to explain a feeling read, I don't know how you can explain feelings. Then again I really didn't like anything darth posted and it felt like he was just trying to mimic thread opinion and almost try and pocket rux. On November 20 2017 00:18 darthfoley wrote:On November 19 2017 21:03 ruXxar wrote:On November 19 2017 19:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Maybe because it's the latest thing in the thread but Tumblewood's posts seemed really off and had a jarring effect on me.
"jarring effect"... The dude has barely posted 3 lines in total. Care to explain what you mean? Good guy Ruxx On November 20 2017 00:39 darthfoley wrote:
I still don't think Kelsier's explanation of TWs posts have been explained or believable. Like 3 one liners is not enough material to be considered jarring IMO. Makes it sound like a much more solid read than it actually is.
Maybe I'm just roasting the dude over word choice, but word choice matters On November 20 2017 00:37 darthfoley wrote:On November 20 2017 00:31 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 20 2017 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
Ruxx and Boson are probably Town Is this “Ruxx is town” echo chamber related to his meta? O feel like Im missing something. I feel like Im missing something. Also, what are your thoughts on Tumblewood and holyflare? I think Damdred's point on ruxx is decent plus his questioning of Kelsier is what i know to be town!Ruxx. TW i always think is scummy and it's the same this game. I only remember one comment by HF about mafia number game setup mechanics which is scummy. darth perhaps you can explain why I have to give a full explanation for my TW read which you don't think I have enough basis for, but you can also read TW as scummy. I probably have darth as my top lynch. I doubt that mafia darth would link up with mafia rux that hard so perhaps rux is ok I just don't think his questions are that useful. Your read was bad and your defense of it was bullshit. Your first reaction to getting pressured was trying to pull up excuses and try to keep your image from being tarnished. Playing dumb is not going to win any townie points in my book.
That post is from Mafia Mafia Mafia
Also, he calls people townies all the time when he is mafia, so as I suspected this is not alignment indicative and certainly not any reason to think he has real reads. In context it makes his reread look much worse because a single town read on Koshi is literally the only thing he came back with.
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mh aight. maybe i was to quick/generous with my assessment.
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If we’re not going to lynch certain people what is the point of polluting the discussion now when we cannot seem to agree on who we want to kill today??
I implore you to look at the vote count and how much of a pain it is to get people to consolidate on ruxxar. If he were a bad townie I’d guarantee this same lynch would be far easier cause we’d probably already have lots of people dogpiling him instead of using bad reasons to defend him or defend him for almost no reason whatsoever (e.g. Koshi, rayn)
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I don't tend to use meta reads on people I've never played with before. Because if I try doing so, I'll end up succumbing to confirmation bias. If I think he's town and do a meta dive, I'm probably going to just find stuff that confirms that belief. And vice versa.
Much as I'd love to have a brilliant, logical reason to doubt ruxxar is mafia, I don't. It was just when I read some of his posts, I 'felt' like lynching him would result in a mislynch and I can't even explain why. It's completely irrational ><
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EBWOP: wanted to quote Calix to make it clear I’m responding on BC
On May 21 2019 08:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:19 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:15 Calix wrote:On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far.Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. On May 19 2019 22:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 19 2019 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 21:13 Holyflare wrote:On May 19 2019 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2019 20:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rayn, what was the plan behind it? No plan. I just thought it would be fun. So you're telling me you went to the past game, copied your post and changed like 50% of the words AND the order when you could have just simply typed out the sentence instead? That's really the line you're going with lol? Yes. Do you think i believe any host ever words VT "town vanilla" lol??? Well actually maybe you of all people do... I mean this is the whole point of the case. Holyflare can actually brainfart and believe this is true and definitely is shameless enough to write shit like that. So nothing much to say about him. Jock is probably just new enough to idk just sheep and not think further. Gut says town becaise it would just give him more to talk about if he was just being right. Bugs should know better. Artanis and VE are being smart, which doesnt surprise me. At least VE is most likely friend. Latest posts say Artanis might be too. Is anyone suspicious to you yet rayn?? It seems like you're only defending yourself by telling people to play better instead of calling people out you think are being scummy. Okay I admit I haven't read all of BC's posts. But I felt compelled to point out how bad the bolded part is. Look at that and tell me that ISN'T the sort of post a mafia makes when trying to avoid voting for a mafia buddy. It has everything. The structure. The inability to concisely say "he's scummy but let's wait and see". The avenues left open. The admission that someone made a point against iGrok. The excuses made to sidestep the point. The 'yeah he's mafia but give him a chance' line that gives BC the option to either vote for iGrok if his posts continued to suck or town-read iGrok if his posts became good. I didn't even scum-read either BC or iGrok before this but holy shit, this paragraph is disgusting. If you wanna make bad association reads feel free to throw me on the pile because I made literally the same comment on iGrok. This is not the avenue to attack BC for. Also lynching BC today is not very high value. Yeah, he could be scum, but we’d be ignoring a lot of good evidence and several players much more likely to flip scum than BC. In fact, if you actually think this, rather than throwing shade on BC just vote iGrok and kill him instead, because we’ll get rid of a useless player and we’ll be able to confirm or deny the association afterward. I'm not saying we should lynch BC today. If I did, I would have changed my vote. I just found that post scummy and flagged it up. But I am now more amenable to VE's idea so I may change my vote to iGrok on non-policy grounds. However I need to mull things over first. Right now I have too many scum reads.
If we’re not going to lynch certain people what is the point of polluting the discussion now when we cannot seem to agree on who we want to kill today??
I implore you to look at the vote count and how much of a pain it is to get people to consolidate on ruxxar. If he were a bad townie I’d guarantee this same lynch would be far easier cause we’d probably already have lots of people dogpiling him instead of using bad reasons to defend him or defend him for almost no reason whatsoever (e.g. Koshi, rayn)
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I personally don't see a problem with discussing people even if they're not likely to die today. But clearly this is something you dislike.
You say it's scummy how difficult it is to get votes on ruxxar and that people defend him. I find it scummy that Conversion is largely ignored. When I am less tired, I'll look into ruxxar again but my vision's going double, lol.
It's even weirder that of the main 'trains', only one person [ruxxar] has any case against him. Nobody has a good reason to kill me ['tone' or 'meta' or 'sheeping' aren't reasons]. Meanwhile my main reason for scum-reading Conversion is because I think he's pretending to tunnel disformation to avoid commenting on the rest of the game. Which is not really a case either.
TL;DR: These trains are really shoddy for almost 48 hours of work.
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On May 21 2019 08:36 Calix wrote:
I don't tend to use meta reads on people I've never played with before. Because if I try doing so, I'll end up succumbing to confirmation bias. If I think he's town and do a meta dive, I'm probably going to just find stuff that confirms that belief. And vice versa.
Much as I'd love to have a brilliant, logical reason to doubt ruxxar is mafia, I don't. It was just when I read some of his posts, I 'felt' like lynching him would result in a mislynch and I can't even explain why. It's completely irrational ><
No one is asking you to meta read anyone. I’m just pointing out that if you have a read based on tone (and you probably do if you can’t come up with a real reason) it is not alignment indicative.
“Meta reading” IMO is not really a thing beyond just confirming whether some behaviour is unique to a certain alignment or not. I’ve tried to make those associations before and I’ve also tried to fake those types of “meta reads” and “meta cases” to get people to just vote with me because I’m confident, but it’s just another piece of evidence in the pile.
I’ve been asking for who knows how long for someone to provide some good reasons to consider ruxxar town, and they just don’t come. For how much he is being defended you would think at least one person would have a good reason. He doesn’t have any scum reads, he is clearly self-aware of not being active while he believes a lot of town is, and he picks and chooses what to respond to despite saying he’s around and willing to answer all questions.
He backed off real quick when I challenged him on the armchair mafioso thing, for example, and when I brought it up again he ignored it again. I get an impression of fear from him more than anything else, as if he spent a lot of time outside the thread trying to figure out how to handle my pressure.
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Calix you calling my train shoddy is the exact type of garbage I’m talking about
Why is it that people are obsessed with there needing to be a “good case” in order to kill someone? What the hell do people even want? If you don’t write a 5 paragraph essay on someone you don’t have a good case?
Here, I’ll regurgitate my case on ruxxar and then I’m going to leave it to the rest of you to figure out what to do because I’m actually tired of pushing this solo. I might be back later but since this is a colossal waste of my time I’ll probably just do work instead.
1. ruxxar is very aware of thread activity and is an active lurker himself. This is despite making some attempts at appearing not like an active lurker (the post about being around to answer questions, but then not really answering any questions of substance-the one response he had to me was pure nothing; an unwarranted town read of Koshi plus a “maybe I’ll kill conversion/see how that goes”)
2. ruxxar is not trying to figure out the game and the most common stated reason he is defended is because he made a supposedly “good” opening post. Rayn’s defense in particular has aged really poorly: (“why would you kill a townie that wants to find scum?” on #367 Someone needs to explain how ruxxar has contributed at all to the finding of scum because that’s either a lie or possibly the worst single take in this game so far.
3. ruxxar’s only real commitments have been to town reads. Specifically, town reading Koshi might be the only thing that he has recently committed to, and he didn’t provide any reasons for that.
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On May 21 2019 08:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 08:22 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 08:03 disformation wrote:On May 21 2019 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Someone is going to have to explain why they think ruxxar became townier with his responses cause I’m not really seeing it. He came back and basically posted a few things that made absolutely no sense (why does he think one of Calix/conversion is scum??) with no particular read progression-he even claimed he read the thread and the only thing that really changed is that he now town reads Koshi.
He also pulled a second disappearing act as people are fighting over Calix again. Why is this such a hard lynch? i mean its not slam dunk (unfortunaley nothing is so far), but a) tone b) like where does mafia come in like "yeah was reading filter for an hour, got these small things, but basically not much, cu". imo the "sry got nothing" is more likely town, as scum would frantically try to have "something" What?? a) His tone is meek. He literally called himself a mouse b) what you mentioned here is more mafia indicative than town!! It’s mafia who aren’t willing to commit to reads, not townies. How could someone possibly read 20+ pages of this game and come out with a town read on Koshi and no scum reads? It’s fairly clear he thought he should have one as well, because he offers conversion up as a potential lynch. I’d love to see what Conversion thinks about that, honestly. As for the Koshi and me business, Koshi is probably just scum this game because he’s been slinging stuff for a while and trying to just get it to stick. If you look at Koshi’s past games where he plays town he actually tries to figure out stuff despite the high volume of posting one liners. There is no real progression here, it just seems like he’s trying to find things that would throw us off and making it much harder to read the game. I am actually shocked at how many town reads he is getting for this play, especially because they’re completely unexplained as well. eh I mean he has a secondary scum read/lean on conversion and also doesnt like jock (though not sure if that means scum). the dawg/mice post was pretty strange though. fairly threadaware (is that even a word?) for his low activity. Think the term you want is 'image conscious' I didn't get the impression he scum-read Jock. The way he worded it made it sound like he found Jock more annoying than scummy, lol.
We’d know the answer to this question about how he reads Jock if ruxxar actually did what he said he would and answer questions.
Rather than answer the question you posed he completely ignored it and responded in a confusing manner, then harped on the confusion making it less likely you’d follow up. Predictably he disappeared before he was forced to commit to anything else.
Credit where credit is due, he’s remarkably slippery.
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On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got a meeting in 3 minutes.
VE, BC while I’m gone sheep me on ruxxar or explain why you don’t want to
Also define who’s a thread skimmer/lurker this game and rank them on kill priority I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing?
VE I’m not letting you pass on this take because it, like ratn’s, has aged really poorly
You need to cite some real reasons for why you think ruxxar is town. I find it quite uncharacteristic of you to more or less ignore me and slip away on my main read with such little substance; why wouldn’t you want to have a conversation with me if you want to find scum together?
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Yeah. Bugs you can stay in my town circle.
Anyone wondering why anyone (mainly bugs and myself)
Are on ruxxar.
1) his first post called out someone for being mafia. This post however was near identical to the person he called mafia.
2) when pushed on said read he highlighted one aspect that made him think calix was red. Which was a read on bugs.
3) subsequently from then he has said town reads, been ok to just swap to other likely wagons (with near no stated reason) and thrown shade without solid commitment to anything.
4) active lurking.
All these things are mafia traits. As such I believe he has a higher likelihood to flip scum. People can keep looking at other people. I mean I want people to keep hunting for the other scum. However the lack of anyone wanting to even comment on ruxxar while trying to bring igrok/calix/anyone else forward is odd.
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Back to work. Next break is in a few hours
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