EPTThought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc.
It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments.
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Calix
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Thought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc. It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 21 2019 17:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you going to help kill ruxxar?? I honestly don’t think iGrok is scum here. Scum basically has to be in: Ruxxar VE rayn Koshi Almost everyone else has a few or loads of town points in favour I will interact and evaluate as best I can. Soon. I don't really agree with Koshi and dunno how you have him there after last game? Pretty different. Think this is a bit of a mediocre list. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag What do you mean by 'rayn proxy pushing disformation through Koshi' exactly? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 17:59 Holyflare wrote: I will interact and evaluate as best I can. Soon. I don't really agree with Koshi and dunno how you have him there after last game? Pretty different. Think this is a bit of a mediocre list. Koshi is a POE read and why I asked you to help me read him. I agree he’s fairly different than last game and it’s also why I want to just punt him. Ruxxar we can agree is scum. VE I’m more certain on than rayn actually. Maybe you agree with VE because he shared your push on iGrok, but he got so many things wrong this game and dodged several key questions I asked him. It’s uncharacteristic. His reads and behaviour also don’t make much sense given the context of this game so far. Rayn is just as equally making no sense, pushing disfo which is a bad lynch but not even doing it directly, rather pushing it trough Koshi, and to top it all off conveniently disappeared when the pressure abated only to come back when people started noticing he disappeared All three of those players have strange interactions with ruxxar and are the main cause of the resistance to the lynch. Just go back and reread them if you don’t believe me | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
You can just read rayn’s last couple filter pages and look for his questions to Koshi | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On May 21 2019 17:58 Calix wrote: Thought I was totes mafia, no backing out, etc etc. It's almost like you know I'm town and thus feel compelled to add these little 'bad or mafia' comments. No. This was me telling you that if you are town you should feel bad about yourself. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
If in context of the rest of the game rayn is not making any sense he’s not town here. Last game I thought his read on me was pretty stupid and he was constantly repeating the same questions at me when I had already answered him. He did a bit of that here re: my vote on him but while I agreed with his opinions overall d1 yesterday his opinions here are just nonsense | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 21 2019 18:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Calix I already explained myself and mobile posting, go read the game. You can just read rayn’s last couple filter pages and look for his questions to Koshi Point taken. Doesn't look like rayn's reads have changed with the flow of the game at all. His scum-reads are based on old info. And his points against Jock and I weren't good to begin with and are even worse now. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On May 21 2019 18:08 Koshi wrote: No. This was me telling you that if you are town you should feel bad about yourself. Funny how you respond to all this yet conveniently ignore my post where I raise valid concerns about your own play. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9873 Posts
On May 21 2019 18:10 Calix wrote: Point taken. Doesn't look like rayn's reads have changed with the flow of the game at all. His scum-reads are based on old info. And his points against Jock and I weren't good to begin with and are even worse now. Honestly I assumed that if he came back he would drop his thing about me being scum. Holding on to that in the face of everything that's gone on since he disappeared looks very bad. I was willing to forgive his madness yesterday as just butthurt and stupid but hanging on to it now looks as though he's conscious of what people are thinking of him. Rayn give me a GOOD reason why you haven't changed your vote. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
tbh am fairly irritated about this. e.g.: On May 20 2019 23:51 Conversion wrote: disfo what is your state of the game right now? literally all I'm seeing is you prodding things and 0 conclusive anythings who do you watn to lynch? do you agree with bugs and we should lynch ruxxar? what about jock's point on me? anything? i am pretty damn sure i have talked about all of the points you raise here (and did so before your meta thing) and i am confused why you still say i flat out ignore you. you are ignoring my posts. also no idea how teh fuck i am chilling out, i am trying to play as much as i can ~~ | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
prolly biased though. -.- | ||
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Calix
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On May 21 2019 18:22 disformation wrote: man. conv could be scum after all. also not sure if i like koshi agreeing to that crap. prolly biased though. -.- Convert to the good side. Vote Conversion! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 18:22 disformation wrote: man. conv could be scum after all. also not sure if i like koshi agreeing to that crap. prolly biased though. -.- vote ruxxar!! god damn in my spreadsheet I noted that we might need to let conversion kill you to ensure the tunnel ends and now it indeed seems to me that the two of you are just gonna build a corner for yourselves and sling poop at each other until the rest of us tire of it and kill one of you it's sad because I have good reasons to consider you both town too. Both me, HF, and BC all think ruxxar is scum. If any of us is not in your town reads, you have a problem bigger than conversion calling you scum. Vote with us. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag Why are you not calling me mafia for this then? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: interestingly enough I have played with disformation more than I thought two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1) the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way) the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game let's take a look at Vendee: vendee + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:25 disformation wrote: also a random thought i had: if i remember correctly: the rs wagon was for a long time the only serious one around, so i want to look at ppl who hoped onto that easily/meekily so that they look like they were doing/pushing someone. On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote: ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum. hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently. outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not. I'm not going to go on a wall of quotes here, but what I'm seeing is lots of transparent thoughts in solving the game, without PRODDING. that's the big thing here, disfo this game has done nothing but majorly prodding. no real original thoughts tbh, just lots of questions won't share who he wants to lynch, won't comment on wagons, doesn't defend anyone, he tries to slink off into the background stuff like this in the current game On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote: currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target. other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok. want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him. fairly null on you tbh. translates to "ruxxar is meh, I'll vote him maybe, or I'll sheep to igro, but you are null. he just seems very opportunistic and not trying to solve the game he only really comes in when questioned/asked as well, I'm not seeing any proactivity in scum hunting in his posts now let's look at his mafia game classic + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. On March 21 2018 21:34 disformation wrote: @rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally. but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one? though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot? so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or: which one is it? but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous. On March 21 2018 21:56 disformation wrote: rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia. not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him. On March 21 2018 22:08 disformation wrote: nah. don't have a problem with rs's filter. have no meta with/on her though. On March 21 2018 22:25 disformation wrote: yeah i think that was my prob with conv as well. he had like 2 reads. just to organize my thought: town(ish) (no order): tocktock vivi ksc rs mocsta way too many nulls/meh/bleh ppl. he does a better job blending in Classic than he is here, actually. tries to at least LOOK like he's putting in some effort, but looking at his game here, it just does exactly what he's doing here, just better he's blending in, throwing out some "reads" here and there, but falls flat in taking a strong stance in really anything I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour) I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing. I'll look into ruxxar next since he did kind of just go "u tried" and ran away btw this amount of effort is indicative of someone who really believes they have nailed someone as scum I don't care who it is, you don't kill someone who makes this post d1. Even if they have the capacity to play a brilliant scum game, killing them d1 is a low value-prop move because such a player would also have the opportunity to contribute a lot to town. Leaving them for d2 or d3 is much smarter. My suggestion for the group of conversion/Calix/Jock/disformation: you all seem to drift back and forth between clarity and confusion because this game is quite chaotic and there is a lot of seemingly good activity. Focus on the things that matter, and look at who you read as town. If you're an isolated vote right now then try to think why people aren't agreeing with you. HF, myself, and BC are all in agreement on ruxxar. I don't know for sure where they stand on rayn/VE but at this stage I think it's just a matter of time. If we are indeed in your town read pile then vote with us, because I for one am not going to support a disfo/conversion lynch today and I highly doubt HF and BC will either unless something unexpected happens which causes them to waffle. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 21 2019 18:29 Holyflare wrote: Why are you not calling me mafia for this then? hello, I've been asking you for like four fucking pages to vote with me and stop voting iGrok but it seems like you're just taking your time so I'm waiting to see what you're going to do on behaviour I have no reasons to think you're scum because your read progressions make sense and you called out exactly what I'd expect you to call out on ruxxar's vote post. You also called out rayn even if you for whatever weird reason called my list, half of which is ruxxar + rayn, trash | ||
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Holyflare
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