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Like I don't remember him saying anything of note since I threw him in my townish category. I don't think I've had a single interaction with him since and he loves talking to me 
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I've also come back around on WBG. I don't think as scum he'd be this obviously and transparently pushing reads outside of thread sentiment, especially when one of his scumreads is actually on the chopping block today. There's no need for him to focus on anything else as maf.
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On May 25 2019 22:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it. why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy? Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
Raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
iGrok (2): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes
BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
RuXxar (1): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
Calix is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This was the vote before everyone switched. Calix/iGrok/BC essentially up for lynch. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
RuXxar (4): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Disformation, Calix
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Calix
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo.
All while BEING ABSOLUTELY AWARE OF IT TOO
On May 22 2019 08:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's trying to get people to join his ruxXar wagon by threatening anyone who joins with a LYNCH in case he flips town, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE NOT VOTING FOR HIM NOW THINKS
LMAO
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Like Bugs plz detunnel. PLEASE!
If you're town you'll be THE GOD DAMNED TOWN HERO HERE!
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And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool.
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My Koshi shot from last game will pale in comparison to the Great Bugs VisceraEyes Detunnel of 2019
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Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people.
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On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool.
How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes?
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote:
Like, I really just don't know if bugs is obviously showing face as mafia and became really bad or just town doing some really stupid bait. After his nk in that game rayn was talking about that saved town I'm really starting to see a picture where he just doesn't "get" people's metas yet and is trying to make a mafia play that seems obvious to him but looks really out of place to me or anyone that knows these people.
He's really going all in the scumclaim shit too did you see him discussing maf strategy a few pages ago?
Whatever I just want him to talk about something other than me. Like he's not even understood that I'm the only other person in this game who considered not believing Koshi! CAN YOU IMAGINE?!?!
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On May 25 2019 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Like I don't remember him saying anything of note since I threw him in my townish category. I don't think I've had a single interaction with him since and he loves talking to me
You're really never around when i am. I don't really remember anything you have posted either.
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool. How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes?
Maybe filtering rayn for Conversion based on the observation he just had?
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On May 25 2019 22:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool. How did you read 58 pages from Conversion's post before d1 to rayn's post on page 158 in like 5 minutes?
I read everything in between earlier. I think. I was at p158 from reading from my last post. I'm having a hard time keeping track of what I've missed.
Hi Rayn!
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On May 25 2019 22:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 21:58 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 21:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 25 2019 21:04 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 21:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also no clue why HF thinks disfo is the expert on me when he, VE, Rayn, and Koshi played a lot more games with me. I don't care about meta, disfo is one of the only people in the game that has made a comment about reading your filter or remembering your posts. Irrelevant anyway. Tell me your scum reads now and why! iGrok for lots of filler posts and lack of evolving reads Calix is jumping up reading the interactions at the end of D1 right now with how she sort of scumread BC but never actually ended up digging into that further and Rayn wasn't really an option for a lynch. It looks to me like she didn't really care to definitively solidify her BC read after this post: On May 22 2019 06:40 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote:wait. On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote:
Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later. HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote:
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch. so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch? Oh shit :o Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248. Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing. The read comes out in passing but then she doesn't really go into it any further. Third one could be any between disfo/WBG/BC. As BC mentioned, Disfo's just kinda been commenting on things without really coming up with his own things. WBG's not commenting on any of his own reads whilst still harping on on VE when he has no chance of getting him lynched today feels wrong, and despite the meta being wrong, BC still feels like he should have a good chance of being scum just based on how EOD1 went with multiple people scumreading him yet never landing a vote on him. How can you read the deadline d1 and pick up calix for not reading any further but not conversion saying he'd look into calix/hf and then talking logic for an hour? Is it cos calix is the alternate scum read for everyone? :D Cause I'm at page 97 and I haven't encountered him yet?
On May 25 2019 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 11:24 Conversion wrote:
d'oh.
I just meta-dived ruxxar and he plays really fluid, jokes around a lot as town.
his mafia games are like 4+ years old, though, and not sure if they should really count as much here (couldn't find any more recent games)
but you're right in the fact that nothing about his game here resembles the town games I read meta wise.
in terms of reads, my brain is fried (as evidenced by fucking up a simple logic table up ^^^ there), and I think I'm inclined to believe bugs.. I think disfo is in a pretty non-safe spot going on this ruxxar lynch here as well, so ruxxar flipping mafia doesn't give him too much cred. I don't really buy any of Koshi's reads, and him dodging me and not calling me scum is pretty fuckin' weird cause I'm not really playing any differently than I have in the games we've played together. m
If ruxxar flips mafia though Koshi is never, ever, 100% never ever mafia.
and now I'm sleepy and lost 90 minutes of s tudying for an interview so I'm peacing out. gl hf, see y'all after like 4 PM est for a bit before I fly out Good thing you're fine with the now unavoidable lynch 30 min before deadline.
page 97 22:02 tl time
page 102 22:37 tl time
35 minutes to read 5 pages + make some posts in thread
On May 25 2019 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And then on page 158 Rayn quotes a bunch of posts on what he's been doing, including a good point on Conversion. Cool.
22:50 page 158
13 minutes to read 56 pages after that + make posts in thread?
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If I could be arsed I'd test him on his knowledge of those pages but I can't.
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Oh, so you haven't got to my case on igrok then? That's like 160+ or something.
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On May 25 2019 22:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 22:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm in a different world and the only one actually trying to undermine my reads is bugs :D read my last post on VE. I just slam dunked him I'm going to have to disagree really, I don't agree with any of it. why do you think VE calling disfo scum but ruxxar town and then not voting disfo, and then complaining when I push him on his disfo read (which he never explains) is not scummy? Because it's not scummy in the slightest, you set up so many false equivalencies and bs around the ruxxar lynch that it was distracting. Furthermore, why the fuck would VE vote for his TOWN read and look god damn awful when you've specified that you're going to lynch people that vote for him if he's town or some crap and he has scum reads on other people. It's so dumb to do unless you think he was doing to save a buddy. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 06:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
Raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
iGrok (2): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes
BloodyC0bbler(2): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
RuXxar (1): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
Calix is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
This was the vote before everyone switched. Calix/iGrok/BC essentially up for lynch. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
RuXxar (4): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Disformation, Calix
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Calix
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler
VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix
Not voting (1): iGrok
RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
spoiler cause wall of text. + Show Spoiler +It only makes sense for VE to look fucking awful and not vote his scum read and instead vote his town read WITH YOU if he's defending his teammate calix/bc/igrok but you don't scum read ANY OF THEM AT ALL. So, no, it doesn't make sense with the narrative you're posting for mafia to go out of their way to look fucking awful voting their town read and to get pushed when they can just vote on their scum reads. It's really bad to push this imo.
No I think it totally makes sense for VE to vote a townread with me as scum because I was the only person scumreading me and I do honestly 100% believe that VE thinks that if he strokes my ego I'll townread him. Like he buddied me for basically no reason whatsoever, it's the least resistance I've ever seen out of VE. He's always proud of being on wagons as town and that he'd be the first person to jump off the wagon without even asking me to vote iGrok is really really bad IMO.
Anyway we disagree on VE. I think my points on VE stand on their own merits and I think you're giving VE too hard of a pass for bouncing his vote around when I don't remember the last time I played a game with town VE and 1. he didn't take a single hard stance on a scum whatsoever (look, he's doing the lack of hard stances today as well) 2. he never tried to improve town atmosphere even though I was being very reasonable with him, 3. he insta-town read two very prominent players in Koshi and Rayn, both of whom are top tier as scum, never provided any reasons nor doubts for them (and mysteriously interacts with them very differently compared to everyone else in the game) and 4. he seems to have a real hard time reading and following the thread and repeatedly makes posts incongruent with basic facts despite being around for 80% of the game as evidenced by the fact that he has the most posts by far. He also is a stickler for reading like me and I've routinely see him do rereads and on-point analysis in previous games like the one we just played! Go read that and how different he feels to here.
In the last game he was enthusiastic and he writes stuff in caps that in general is always jokey and happy, and here he is just on edge allll the time, from the very beginning, in response to very reasonable posts by you, BC, and Jock. Okay, so you think I'm being unreasonably harsh on him and tunneled or whatever, that's fine. It's not like I'm basing this entirely on my own actions with him, the pattern extends to every townread I have; he has literally only poo-poo reactions and no constructive moments whatsoever. This is really bad because he seems to implicitly townread everyone, because he never says what his scum reads are.
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well I fucked up that spoiler but whatever. I've made my message clear again, I hope.
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On May 25 2019 22:58 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, so you haven't got to my case on igrok then? That's like 160+ or something.
Your case was on p149 and I commented on it remember?
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Damn you didn't fall for the bait. WP.
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VE if you want me to detunnel you have to provide me alternative scumreads.
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